BASE MAFIA - Mafia Wins!

[Andrej]

I agree that everyone needs watching. It's just that her actions stood out to me. First she voted for Snow, albeit jokingly, and then asked Rand directly is he were Mafia. Again, it was in a joking manner, but it came off to me as if she were looking for a reason to cast suspicion on others.

[michellem]

Actually I think it's her fourth one I think she was in three at once, poor girl! That's a way to kickstart things

 

 

 

Tiink, your posts are contradicting; in your first you're implying that the only reason to give a newcomer a D1 pass is if the more experienced player is scum and the newcomer is not; in the second you say that scum would use it as an excuse as to not vote a newcomer teammate...

[michellem]

^_first sentence ment to reply to Time about Hallia

[Andrej]

That's pretty much what I said Mish

[peacesells]

It may be the drugs I'm on (been sick for 6 days) but I don't see what the deal is with Tinks post.  It makes sense to me.  We can case the newb all we want..but if we find him scummy, save him for day 2 lynch.

 

How does he learn if scummy actions arent pointed out?  What's difficult about this?

 

And really, it looks like people are just upping their posts counts by arguing a null issue anyway.  FOS a few of you.

[Andrej]

Thus far Peace no one has pointed out my actions as being scummy. Unless I'm wrong, I'm the newb you mention right? If you see something scummy in what I've posted thus far, please enlighten me.

 

Otherwise, I see you trying to defend Tiink. His posts obviously contradict themselves. Perhaps it is the drugs you're on, which hopefully are some good shiz, or you're trying to defend a teammate. Am I wrong to presume that it's typical gameplay for first-gamers to get a D1 pass? I don't see why Tiink is against it so much.

[michellem]

I'm out for the night, family drama and I can't deal with mafia, just letting you guys know in case you're wondering why I'm active elsewhere but quiet here.

[Lenlo]

Official Vote Count (I like using this as a message spot.)

Turin(2/8): RTE, Tiink
RTE(1/8): TG
Chuckles(1/8): Snow
Snow(2/8): Chuckles, Hally
WoT(1/8): Rand

Rand(1/8): Peace

Tiink(1/8) AJ

Note Voting:(5/14)
Mish, WoT, Turin, LZM, Dap

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
 

[dapianoplay3r]

Good lord people. I wake up to this. Tiink. All tge day one pass means is we call them out for scummy things but ee dont lynch them for it. Most noobs will learn from it and be better for it,, if they reallly are very scummy they get saved until day two.

I donnt know why thats knotting your panties somuch. If they are mafia they will probably even givevus more info left alive that phase longer.

Now this whole argument is distracting from everything. If you truely disagree and arent just trying to cause drama make a thread pn the mafia boards and discuss the day one noob card

[Tiinker]

You need to read my posts and stop tunnel visioning.
 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

 

 

 

Tiink you also pointed out that by Turin giving me a D1 pass basically admited he knew I wasn't a threat. "Blatantly" obvious even. Then in the next post you said it was a way to avoid voting for a teammate. So which is it?

You've misunderstood. And you do you somehow think that one of your teammates would qualify as being a threat?

 

 

 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

Oh. God.

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

I just pointed out two ways the scum can use it to their advantage and you haven't given any valid counter point than say "We need to get the newbies to be comfortable with the game" and even that's a stretch. Can you point out why my reasoning is wrong? It's the second time you've tried to coast along with someone else's reasoning. Ironically, from this entire farce what I've garnered is you trying to sneakily push lynches without getting your hands dirty. If you had voted me then I wouldn't have really bothered to take notice since it'd show you ready to put yourself out there but since you haven't it's just made me think that you're trying to get by without any personal input and keeping open the safety to say "I was only agreeing with ___". Scum tactic numero uno. 

Unvote, Vote Mish[/color=red] 

[Tiinker]

Unvote, Vote Mish whoops

[dapianoplay3r]

Now rand. Yes im poking and proding and appling pressure, its how people play and it works. Yes i would of probably thought an.unvote scummy but less so than not doing it.

Lastly your FOS of me. Feels like an OMGUS but without the balls to vote and because i havent actually voted you or really done much so, but you needed to do soomething to attemp to look like you were doing non jokibg stuff

[Tiinker]

Good lord people. I wake up to this. Tiink. All tge day one pass means is we call them out for scummy things but ee dont lynch them for it. Most noobs will learn from it and be better for it,, if they reallly are very scummy they get saved until day two.

I donnt know why thats knotting your panties somuch. If they are mafia they will probably even givevus more info left alive that phase longer.

Now this whole argument is distracting from everything. If you truely disagree and arent just trying to cause drama make a thread pn the mafia boards and discuss the day one noob card

 

Are you guys purposely ignoring the fact that I voted Turin and not the actual proclaimed noob? If your qualm is me trying to get noobies lynched early then you need to go back and re read since that's not at all what I tried to do.

[Tiinker]

Unvote Vote Mish

Sorry.. dozed off and just woke up so slightly disoriented. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Your wrong cos i don give the pass because i dont think they are a threat. I give the pass so they can get a chance to play before they get lynched

 

my first game i said "i wish i were the GF, and i bet i could work my way up to it"

I wasnt mafia and the day one pass saved me from it

i lived and learnt

[dapianoplay3r]

Like i said start a thread we can disciss it there

[Tiinker]

Look, the people who think they're going to have a hard time have a mentor. The others think they can deal with the consequences. There isn't an excuse for acting scummy enough to get lynched. I'm very willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but I'm not going to let them scoot through no matter what. My original post was just a small stab which got turned into some over dramatic flare and while the argument was based off something unspecific to the game, I think we got something worthwhile out of it. AJ strikes me as town while Mish does not.

[Turin Turambar]

Wtf is this giving people Day 1 free passes?

 

Vote Turin

 

Questioning a current standard practice. with mock  attitude

Oh really? Tell me more.

 

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

 

No. The reason is to get them comfortable enough to play. More active players means better games. And fewer people asking to be replaced.

 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

Here is Tiink's ideas about the D1 pass, complete with more attitude. mention the scummy play but don't follow up like you would for an experienced player. That is not the point of the pass. It is actually the exact opposite of that. The point is to get them talking knowing that they will not be getting lynched D1. That way we get to hear their thoughts on others and can get a better read on them to compare with later actions and statements.

 

The Italics are where he uses it to cast aspersion on anyone granting the pass by painting them as a teammate. 

 

 

Tiink you also pointed out that by Turin giving me a D1 pass basically admited he knew I wasn't a threat. "Blatantly" obvious even. Then in the next post you said it was a way to avoid voting for a teammate. So which is it?

 

You've misunderstood. And you do you somehow think that one of your teammates would qualify as being a threat?

 

 

 

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

The blatantly obvious thing I mentioned.

 

 

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Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

The second quote about looking for a reason to avoid voting teammates.

 

So, what did I misunderstand here?

 

 

Are you trying to put emphasis on the fact that I made one point and then another instead of putting them together? Unless you disagree with one of the things I pointed out I don't see what you're trying to get at.

 

 

The point AJ apears to be trying to make is that your statements are contradictory. Mafia like to talk both sides od an argument because then they can point at the side they were right about.

It may be the drugs I'm on (been sick for 6 days) but I don't see what the deal is with Tinks post.  It makes sense to me.  We can case the newb all we want..but if we find him scummy, save him for day 2 lynch.

 

How does he learn if scummy actions arent pointed out?  What's difficult about this?

 

And really, it looks like people are just upping their posts counts by arguing a null issue anyway.  FOS a few of you.

Peace, It must be the drugs. Tiink did not say what you said. You said what I said. Case away but don't vote. Tiink says we should listen but not follow up with more questions.

 

More importantly though, he is trying to use the granting of the traditional noob D1 pass as a means to play the people granting it as mafia either defending a teammate or buddying a townie. Further spouting off about the possible motivations. And boosting his post count spreading WIFOM.

 

Just say no Peace

[Andrej]

I haven't missed the fact that you've not voted for me Tiink.

 

I don't plan on playing the n00b card this entire game, but I've never played with any of you so I have no idea about what your play style is. I was pointing out that to ME your argument against D1 passes seemed rather aggressive considering that I took it as a given. I said earlier that with the experience of most of the players in this game, let's throw the D1 pass out the window. I think it would be better for me in the long run as a learning experience. What I was saying was that I didn't understand your stance against it, and then you threw out several scenarios in which the scum team could use it to their advantage. It seems like general consensus that the newest players get the Bye week (or day) so your fight against it stood out to me.

[peacesells]

Bah..Turin..it is the drugs.  I mix you two up at times.  My post should have said Turin, not Tink.  That explains Andrej's reaction.

 

Andrej is this your first mafia game or just your first one here?

[Tiinker]

@Turin - See post regarding mentor.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Good lord people. I wake up to this. Tiink. All tge day one pass means is we call them out for scummy things but ee dont lynch them for it. Most noobs will learn from it and be better for it,, if they reallly are very scummy they get saved until day two.

I donnt know why thats knotting your panties somuch. If they are mafia they will probably even givevus more info left alive that phase longer.

Now this whole argument is distracting from everything. If you truely disagree and arent just trying to cause drama make a thread pn the mafia boards and discuss the day one noob card

 

Are you guys purposely ignoring the fact that I voted Turin and not the actual proclaimed noob? If your qualm is me trying to get noobies lynched early then you need to go back and re read since that's not at all what I tried to do.

No. it isn't, you also tried to use the granting of the pass which is currently a standard DM practice as a means a mafia would defend without defending a teammate. That you use this as a means to vote early D1 is a sign of overeager mafia.

 

vote Tiink

[Andrej]

Bah..Turin..it is the drugs.  I mix you two up at times.  My post should have said Turin, not Tink.  That explains Andrej's reaction.

 

Andrej is this your first mafia game or just your first one here?

It's my first gave ever, but I'll take that question as a compliment

 

I did my fair share of reading before signing up.

[Andrej]

Game* damnit.

[Andrej]

You need to read my posts and stop tunnel visioning.

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

 

 

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Tiink you also pointed out that by Turin giving me a D1 pass basically admited he knew I wasn't a threat. "Blatantly" obvious even. Then in the next post you said it was a way to avoid voting for a teammate. So which is it?

 

You've misunderstood. And you do you somehow think that one of your teammates would qualify as being a threat?

 

 

 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

 

I just pointed out two ways the scum can use it to their advantage and you haven't given any valid counter point than say "We need to get the newbies to be comfortable with the game" and even that's a stretch. Can you point out why my reasoning is wrong? It's the second time you've tried to coast along with someone else's reasoning. Ironically, from this entire farce what I've garnered is you trying to sneakily push lynches without getting your hands dirty. If you had voted me then I wouldn't have really bothered to take notice since it'd show you ready to put yourself out there but since you haven't it's just made me think that you're trying to get by without any personal input and keeping open the safety to say "I was only agreeing with ___". Scum tactic numero uno. 

 

Unvote, Vote Mish[/color=red] 

 

This post did make me raise my eyebrow slightly. Then again, I noticed that between your post about asking me whether or not I thought a teammate would be a threat and then accusing Mish of using my case against you as a way to sway the votes, you ignored my post about your question to me being an obvious trap. Any reason you left that out?