[ADVANCED] Forsaken in the White Tower: Town wins!

[dapianoplay3r]

I'm putting this up here but I only thought of it about halfway through. I think there's a bit of a WOT going with Moon and Pandy

Ill look at it later I think

 

Here. Hallia, I don´t believe I have met you before. Hi, and welcome to DM mafia.

 

 

Kailyn  Clearly she's plotting against me even at this hour.

 

  I´m sure she does.

 

 

 

As they should not.  If a mod ever does something that odd, nobody should believe it.

 

 

Hmm, I just got this great idea for my next game. :P

 

vote Moon because of random.org

 

Does anyone use random.org for their first vote? Why do you feel the need to state that it is a random vote? Vote Rand.

Right first post from Tina that was a little odd. Voting someone for stating they use Random.org? I've seen this in almost every game I've played. Some of those with Tina, strange Tina.

This is also one of the first votes on someone already voted (RTE was first)

 

Thing about Rand though. He gets all defensive about moon but never invotes

 

Note about that. Talya calls RTE out for that saying "the first to place the second vote is always Maifa"

 

I was gonna say I think that both Len and Darthe are scum

Because of their arguing.

Looks like distancing.

But Darthe explained the "Kivam" thing.

Possibly trying to distance himself.

Feels like a stretch. I didn't find it as bad as Moon seemed too

 

(Lol as I continued reading I find out I mentioned this already)

 

 

I don't know, Moon always seems like this to me.  Darthe, can you explain your is this real comment?  Do you think that that isn't a viable reason, or were you just posting that for kicks and giggles.

Seems like what??? She's posted TWICE. And you've got your joke vote on her. This just seems like massively poor defense of a teammate to me.

 

Vote Rand[/color=red]

Huh. Missed this the first time. Tiink goes after Rand for making a claim on 2 posts but not me, I'm the one that started it

 

So I have a question. Since Cloud has already revealed his role should we not also get him to reveal his character? That way we can test his character against others to see if it truly is a fake claim. ((Which I doubt it is)).

Good old Len, fishing for the claim ASAP.

TG, I think your case on my is complete BS. But thats just me.

 

I asked if it was a good idea and Cloud came out and said his character. Also if youll go back and read it got bad reactions, not good ones. Or were you ignoring Tress's comment on it?

You asked in a way that pretty much made it happen. While the way you phrased it didn't directly ask him to you wanted it done.

 

I could see Thom with almost any role personally. Mans amazing.

Making him the perfect fake claim?

 

I believe him. Based off of my character, who has very rarely if ever been to the WT if I remember correctly, I see no reason why Thom cant be a role in this game.

I see of no reason Thom can't. I see lots of reason why he wouldn't be

 

 

Tayla, why do you believe Cloud and Mish but not me? Is it because I havnt voted yet?

 

Also I like at how the end of your post you say "plus he has less votes and at the moment its good to have balanced opposing trains." It looks like everything before it was just to cover up the fact that your voting me for competition with the other train.

 

I agree. Talya is absolutely on my list of suspects.

 

Cloud - I basically agreed with your whole post about Rand. Since I commented on it he has made another strange post followed by a vote on Mish. Come on - lets just lynch him. If he is scum then we have some people to look into - Talya is one of them.

You don't seem to consider what will happen if he doesn't flip mafia or at least you don't mention it. Feels like you want him lynched but you don't want people to think about the consequences fully

 

dude. I'm always jokey with day one. 

It's just my game style. 

So you went after Len but completely ignore the whole case Pandy made

 

So... I still think could is town cause I dont think his mafia team would let him say such a silly thing.

 

I really dont think we should consider two mafia teams until we have proof/reasonable reason to believe in one.

This could easily be a mafia defending a team mate. Nothing ATM but if either flips I say we go back to this

 

 

I could understand if was day and we had had multiple deaths on night one. But this is still day one. I know you say it is from the game, but we are in the WT and as far as I'm aware (apart from at the beginning when Lanfear was there briefly) Only one Foresaken were in the WT. Plus we are looking for Black Ajah. Lets play the game a bit more before saying things like that. There is always a possibility depending on how the Mod plays it, lets see what happens. It is a waste of discussion at this stage.

 

The OP says that we are looking for multiple Forsaken. This game is not following canon strictly. 

Ha also Tina helps defend cloud

 

Really? Dang... Hello Aes Sedai, meet your Warder.

 

I am Birgette, vanilla town. It is because of who I am that I believe Clouds claim.

 

Sadly we only have 8 hours till deadline so I feel I have to move to Rand.

 

unvote vote Rand

So that felt really prem, but you had to do it because the main lynch train just claimed. But I feel like you made a slip here, I think you needed to act quickly to try save yourself and didn't think of the issue. So you use your claim to verify cloud.

Te problem with that is you didn't think that cloud is a PR while a lead character isn't. That's odd right. Especially since later Leane (not as much of a lead) has a role. Do you know why she has a PR. cos it fits with the timeframe that you and cloud do not

But you know what the best thing was? I saw your post as I started this and I saved it because I knew you would fall into this trap

Mhmm. L-1 or even L-2 are no longer safe places to leave someone if waiting for a claim or a defense something.

You did exactly what you warned about. You were the first to do this. You did this to save your own skin. You did this on someone who had just claimed a lead character in the setting.

And your defence

Im sorry Ishy, but we were asked and we are the only two trains that people are going to be willing to lynch. I really think Moon is a better lynch today but I am obviously not going to be able to get 10 more people to move to her in the span of 7 hours.

A form of fear mongering. We have to vote. There is no time

 

 

Len, you aren't much of a Warder are you.  You know there is a Darthe train right?

Hey! I didnt agree to the bonding! Im pretty sure she did it on her own.

 

Also I knew it. After WW2 people wont believe my claims!

So your defence is to simpley not talk about the other train

Since you brought it up its very similar to your defence in the WWii game. Just refuse to talk about the other side of the debate for so long people will just forget about it

Bold - I think the word you were looking for was reveal. Slip methinks

 

 

 

(It down cos of the number of quotes )

 

Why would you even be making this claim on day 1?!?!?!

 

This helps neither of you, nor does it help town. We now have two supposed vanillas who have come out, and another who can double vote. Guess who's looking for a ticket to the finals? Our dear vanilla claims...

Because we were asked for claims and were the two biggest trains?

You were never asked for a claim. rand was. You were asked for a defence. You couldn't get one of those made up on short notice so a claim worked. If you were truly her warder you would of tried to save him. You seem to be working to save yourself rather than help the town as a whole

 

Think really has a go at RTE for picking at Lens reasons. I'm pretty sure RTE had been saying what I would of if I had been online. Feels like he was harassing a new player a bit. They went into a pretty big spat that covered lens stuff up nicely. Moon mentions it but I think I shot her down later. Moon I'm sorry. Looking back I believe you now

 

Right

Tina comes in and invotes Rand but doesn't jump on the Len train. She says she is confused and asks for someone to explain the last few pages cos she has forgotten. Most of the important stuff had been talked about in the last fe pages. Sounds like skimming.

 

Tayla jumps off Len and justifies both Cloud and Lens characters.

 

No lynch happens from here on

 

Posting to break this up. But I'm very sure we should lynch Len

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

I honestly don't see any reason to vote for a no lynch since all it's going to do is have us twiddling our shiz again come Day time. Voting Lenlo is the safest option imo. We test whether or not Birgitte is in this game (Elayne almost certainly is), we get a decent idea of the characters involved, and we get decent information from both trains. A no lynch just gives mafia the extra kill and we won't glean anything from it.

By testing whether or not birgette is in this game, you kill me so when you learn it is true, it will do almost nothing to help you. Why is it hard to understand that if Elayne is almost certainly in this game that Birgette, her warder, is also in this game?

Oh you mean the person you tried to lynch instead of yourself. What would be of learnt for that? At least with you we would have known the time frame, clouds claim, and your alignment

[dapianoplay3r]

I said I would switch to Rand or Len. Why would I do that. Oh well my points still stand

Until that first scene where Suian was the Amyrlin we didn't know that Bridgett didn't fit in the time frame, nor Thom.

[peacesells]

I'm at the point where I think this game can't move on clearly without a LENLO lynch.

[dapianoplay3r]

Here here

unvote

vote lenlo

Case will contonue after dinner

[RandA lThor]

Dap's case is actually pretty good, I know that I'm a bad Aes Sedai for doing this, :P  but having Lenlo around is going to sidetrack this entire game and always put us in confusion, not to mention that there is a very good chance that he'll flip mafia.  unvote vote Lenlo

[Talya]

I think this is a good course of action. Though I don't see banding Cloud and Len together the same. Thom was in Tar Valon in about the third book where he meets up with Mat and they escape. Thom must be pretty good because he had survived fighting a Fade. Brigitte, doesn't fit at all, except when Mat blows the horn at the end of the second book and they are no where near the White Tower. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Its not certain but they are in a similar set

your early protectiom of cloud is noted though

[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

 

Kaylee (4): Talya, Cloud, Ishy 2.0
Moon (2): Pandy, Kaylee
Tiink (1): Darthe

Jay Leno (3): Peace, Player, Rand

Not voting (7): Time, Tiink, Moon, Len, Kae, Tina, RTE

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is Wed. Jan. 30th at 9 PM EST. (That's less than 15 hours away.)

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=422

[Darthe]

I dislike those of you that just did that.  Yes, I want the info on Lenlo. But case or no case I am not making a snap decision and I sure as hell will never follow three votes laid on a person who had none before, and all are in a row and within 20 minutes of each other.  You immediately made him the second highest train available.  

 

Oh, if you're not getting this allow me to share with you my rarely used 

 

FOS.

[Darthe]

I think this is a good course of action. Though I don't see banding Cloud and Len together the same. Thom was in Tar Valon in about the third book where he meets up with Mat and they escape. Thom must be pretty good because he had survived fighting a Fade. Brigitte, doesn't fit at all, except when Mat blows the horn at the end of the second book and they are no where near the White Tower. 

 

 

Boo! Shame Her!  Boo, I boo you good ma'am.  The story of the Wheel of Time is a distraction in this game and utterly useless to how we should play it.  

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

I think this is a good course of action. Though I don't see banding Cloud and Len together the same. Thom was in Tar Valon in about the third book where he meets up with Mat and they escape. Thom must be pretty good because he had survived fighting a Fade. Brigitte, doesn't fit at all, except when Mat blows the horn at the end of the second book and they are no where near the White Tower. 

 

 

Boo! Shame Her!  Boo, I boo you good ma'am.  The story of the Wheel of Time is a distraction in this game and utterly useless to how we should play it.  

 

This. The last sentence anyways

[dapianoplay3r]

Sorry that I didn´t vote. I fell asleep. I don´t like No lynch. I would have prefered a Lenlo lynch.

Nice post this. Distancing from Len without actually having to vote him

 

Advanced does not mean kitchen sink. Not everyone will have an ability in an advanced game and with a series like WoT where a lot of people can be considered major characters, i would expect afew major chars to be vanilla.

Id expect Elayne, who was learning all her terangrael stuff when Brigitte was her warder, to have some kind of ability. She certainly trumps Leane, and thom. When Suian was Amyrlin though she was just an accepted... not a power role

 

I agree. And if Siuan is the Amyrlin she hasn´t bonded Bryne yet.

Ishy comments on this and says if thats the case Birgitte wouldnt be in the game either. This is Tina's only post commenting on the Birgette claim, and she doenst even do it directly.

Talk about not wanting to take a stand.

 

Don't know why Darthe is suddenly spewing out setup ideas based on the Elayne/Birgitte reveal when just before ...

 

 

 

There is no f***ing way that Birgette is in this game.

Vote Lenlo

Just need to look like your contributing brah?

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/78606-advanced-forsaken-in-the-white-tower-day-3/?p=2758633

and the post directly after is him explaining why he changed. Any reason you failed to mention those other than to make him appear more scummy?

You hounded him for responses for a while on this

 

It doesnt put us at a disadvantage if we use the information we got plus whatever info we get from who they choose to NK well. By your logic if we had 2 town led lynchs we could also have 2 dead townies plus to mafia kills instead of 1 dead townie and 2 mafia kills.

 

As long as we use the information we have gotten well, I dont see it as a disadvantage.

You seem very sure we would of hit a town player plus we didnt get information from the no lynch, all it did was stop us losing the potential information forever (the no coroner would be the forever part). Lynching a person would put us closer to the mafia numbers but it would also show us who voted when, who bussed, who lurked to hammer, etc. Plus we could of hit mafia, you were on the cards.

 

Theodrin huh?

 

Also two deaths? Dang.

 

Vote Moon. I really think she is the most suspicious right now.

You dont seem that displeased at the two town deaths. More just saying the obligatory, "dam a dead town player"

Also you didnt bold or color your vote. Strange thing to forget especially since when you finally vote someone (like 5 pages later or something) you dont unvote. To me that suggests you never wanted to vote moon and it was intentional

I don't think Ishy is scum. People's cases on him sound like BS to me.

 

Vote Peace

 

I like Darthes reasoning better and Peace also gets us information on a lot of people.

Reading along from the moon not vote... 

I thought Panda was town (just saw my own post). Im not so sure now. I can just see the WOT with him and Moon at the corner of my mind.

 

 

 

Two kills - means multiple factions or an SK?  Is a mail carrier a power role?

 

Are you Fain?

 

 

It took me a loooooooooong time to re-read and take notes. Before I always used the nights to re-read but after being night killed a lot I decided to not do that anymore. It sucks to put down a lot of work and then die.

 

People that I´m suspicious of: Kaylee, Time, Talya, TGlems, Player, Kae

 

I´m going to vote TGlems. His early list was strange and one of the reasons I think Player is scum with him is that he forgot Player´s name. No strong evidence at all but that is my reason for voting TGlems. He has been laying low all game too - making some popular comments here and there.

 

 

Did you honestly expect a yes?

Care to share those as they stand Tina?

 

It feels like I´m floating alone in this game. You are mostly discussing people that I believe are town. And I don´t feel that I can make any good cases on those I think are scum either. lol

 

TGlems - I didn´t notice that you left Ishy and Tiinker of that list as well. I saw that you commented on Time and Kaylee though even if you didn´t have a read on them.

Good way to explain lurking and give yourself some reason to explain your lurking in the future. If you think they are town come out and defend them, or will that link you too closely with people?

How can I not comment on that?

(this was about my In typo)

You've managed to hardly comment on anything else. But I see how a typo is a nice, funny and safe thing to get your post count up and be seen but not have to say anything important. It also helped distract from the actual scum hunting going on.

 

Tina finally commits to a case. But she doesnt make it. She just agrees. I cant be arsed quoting. Here's the link if you care

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/78606-advanced-forsaken-in-the-white-tower-day-3/?p=2762772

She spends most of that page agreeing with people on everything it seems.

 

Also where is Len at this point in the game?

 

 

Shall we start a Talya train, Tina?

Yes. Lets do that. No one cares about my TG vote anyway. Unvote. Vote Talya.

 

 

Finally she does something!

Panda does follow, but I do wonder what Tina would of done if he hadnt lol

I don't really see anything in the Ishy case. He has been playing the same as he did in the Bloodlust game. RTE's case is a bit better but if he were mafia he wouldn't need to put himself in the spotlight as much as he did. I like Pandy's case on Talya.

 

Vote Talya

Look who follows along soon after

 

 

Birgette as I seem to remember was and still is a contested character of this game. Fits but not quite. Im sure its been said before but it could be a fake claim.

 

Ishy suggested we would lynch town 100%. I understand the numbers but if you try save "town" players all the time based on proportions we would lose most of the games.

I just dislike how you phrased it

 

I still think we should of lynched someone

Basel seems to like fake claims from what I have seen and he generally gives them some good ones ((Such as Truman in a WW2 game)) So I think we should focus more on how people play and the roles they claim instead of the characters because almost anyone is likely to be suspect imo.

 

 

You do realise your claim was the thing that saved you right? You played scummy as all hell

 

As I wrote in the othet thread I have trouble with my computer but can be more active this weekend. Funny that very.few are interested in looking at Talya, TGlems or Kaylee.

Next time make a case Tina. It helps to convince people

Go to sleep, Darthe!

Kaylee, The two that died worked in the WT, so knowing my character makes me wonder if they are all people in the Tower in this game and those two had non tower claims, so it just added a little doubt in my mind.

 

Tina, Considering you have just parrotted what others said about me, which wasn't much, and you haven't stated any good claims for the other two, why should we? You have thrown out names here and there and only agreed with others, no prpoer casing of you own. Plus Pandy seems to be trying to dictate what people should do which has made them wary, Probably a symp!

Yes, I´m guilty of not making any cases so I understand why people won´t follow me instantly. But they can go back and look at your posts and see for themselves. I know that there are people in the game that don´t live in the WT.

 

That said, have Pandy been trying to dictate people more than anyone else? And who is wary of him? Your team mates?

 

 

I refer back to smoething i quoted earlier. You arent making cases cos you dont have enough to go on.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/78606-advanced-forsaken-in-the-white-tower-day-3/?p=2761901)

Italics, didnt you ask for a summary at one point cos you couldnt be bothered going back?

last bold. Thats a character hint I assume?

What would Min be doing in a hunt for the Black Ajah?

 

Min sounds like the fakest claim so far. She's no ones warder and she's not an Aes Sedai.

You do know what Suian used Min to hunt the BA in the tower right?

Time to remove some of the lingering WIFOM from Day One.

 

Vote Cloud.

 

Would like to take a much harder look at Tayla, Tina and Kay tomorrow.

Ishy, why don´t you take a look at Talya today?

Seems pretty obvious. He wants to check out those "not really fitting the setting" people. He may of been a SK but still can hunt mafia.

So I ask you Tina. Why do you want those claims left secret and Talya lynched so badly?

I'm pretty sure I said I was Vanilla Talya.

 

And I'm against lunching someone just to test their claim and see who might be in the game. Fake claims are a real possibility and they are more than likely to have someone who was in the tower.

 

I think we should ignore characters and focus on gameplay. Going after people based on their character is stupid IMO.

So why not lynch the claims that sound like really bad claims and are playing really scummy? You do both extremely well

Also i noticed how you used this defence to keep your vote on Peace who claimed Min.

Yeah I'm in the middle of it.

 

When I flip Birgette what will you know? That people don't have to be in the tower to be in this game. Now the mafia fake claims that they have will be even better because you will more readily believe them instead of focusing on play.

Once again you refuse to see the potential in your own lynch. You are all about self preservation and never the greater good

You have me and moon voting twice TG.

 

Ishy why not disregard char claims now, focus on gameplay and safe town the loss of a town? A much better net positive.

We would still pick you I think

[dapianoplay3r]

 

 

Yep sounds good.

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo

Mr.Tiink you have been jumping around a lot. Looking for an easy lynch huh?

 

 

A desparate attempt to sway the lynch here. Why not stick with your Peace vote and make a case based on "gameplay"

How is it a bigger risk? It answers your questions, the train already exists and since Peace has said nothing to the contrary I believe he is vanilla as well.

So the character that can see viewings that in the story was being used as a type of cop in your opinion is likely to of been less of a risk to lynch than you, a fake sounding claimed, vanilla, person not ever in the setting?

Fine lynch me, but when I flip Birgette remember who jumped off much larger trains to come to mine. Remember who gave very little reasoning to their votes and who advocated using it to clear people who's characters were not in the tower.

 

My goodness now I know how people felt when town believed my BS numbers in WW2. Infuriating.

Told you they were BS

I´m not sure what a Lenlo lynch can prove. If he is town - well okay, then we learn that people that haven´t been to the tower is in this game. But then people can fake claim whatever. If he is scum - then yay, but we can´t draw any conclusions about characters anyway. If our mod likes to give out good fake claims, as you say, then he wouldn´t give them a bad fake claim. Birgitte must be considered a bad fake claim. Of course he might not give out fake claims, but Len is just making one up but I have a hard time thinking he just made it up that shortly after Egwene was revealed.

 

So no, I will not jump on this train. I rather vote for someone that I believe is mafia.

Finally a teammate comes to save you. I think the only reason she did though was TG's half reveal that she notices. Without that she would of bussed you hard core

lol

 

 

Whp do you prefer tina?

Talya, of course.

 

 

Of course, you really want her dead dont you?

It would have been good to get an answer from TG about Ishy though but I doubt he will get here before I go to sleep.

This must of been a nice distraction for you. I bet you were all warm and fuzzy inside. Lynch Ishy and then TG after, cos he called someone who you knew wasnt on your team, mafia. But I bet you got a shock when he flipped SK didnt you

 

 

I guessed that. Sorry that I brought it up but scum has surely seen it already. Will see if I can vote on my phone.

But you had to make sure, just in case they didn't get it!

 

 

lol

But I do hate half reveals from Cops. Half the town dont see them then the mafia NK them and they just waste their role

 

 

Just remember Tina trying to stall this vote again...

 

Now lets test out TG

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE ISHY

Stall what vote? Lenlo's? Then yes, I think you are a better choice. But Ishy is of course even better.

 

 

If he flips scum remember saying this. you will be asked to defend it

[dapianoplay3r]

Darthe. I agree that the pile up was fast. If he flips town ill look more closely at it

 

However he has had a bunch of fast pile ups on him all game. Its not the first one

[Darthe]

It isn't and I agree that info can be had there.  But I am not going to rush in for a group like that, and definitely not when people consistently are waiting for the last day to try and build momentum for a speed lynch.  That is a great way for mafia to win.

[dapianoplay3r]

I meant to do this case 2 days ago. Got bogged down with my dexter case then RL

 

Ill do the rest tomorrow. only 10 pages to go really

 

But aside from that I take it you are on the side of lynching Len? I understand the reason for not voting atm but Id like to know where you would vote if the train wasnt speeding away

[dapianoplay3r]

its just gone 2am here so im off. Ive been doing that case off and on for about 12 hours now lol

 

night guys

[peacesells]

Darthe, the case on Lenlo is very strong in two ways.  His play has been very scummy and the info provided from day 1 interactions/combined with his claim will move this game along in the town's favor.  Even if he flips town. 

 

All lynches without a cop report have some measure of uncertainty.  I'm not so sure why you are so hesitant to vote a solid target.

 

My biggest reason for voting Lenlo is his survive at all costs mentality.  He's ok with any lynch as long as it's not him.  That is completely untownlike play coming from a claimed vanilla role. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Tina, Talya, Kay, those are the three I would like to see lynched.

 

Pretty much in that order too.

just thought id note these are the same he mentioned when he was fain

[peacesells]

 

Tina, Talya, Kay, those are the three I would like to see lynched.

 

Pretty much in that order too.

just thought id note these are the same he mentioned when he was fain

He's basically playing under the same pretense.  Not unusual. 

[John E. Kelley]

As I said before I died, I was trying to play a pro-Town game. Scum was just as big of a threat to me as it was to Town.

[Talya]

 

I think this is a good course of action. Though I don't see banding Cloud and Len together the same. Thom was in Tar Valon in about the third book where he meets up with Mat and they escape. Thom must be pretty good because he had survived fighting a Fade. Brigitte, doesn't fit at all, except when Mat blows the horn at the end of the second book and they are no where near the White Tower. 

 

 

Boo! Shame Her!  Boo, I boo you good ma'am.  The story of the Wheel of Time is a distraction in this game and utterly useless to how we should play it.  

It was more a response to others, I think there would be a lot of info on this lynch. He has not been on much today, and when asked if he had been just posted he had and that was it. Quite a bit has happened to talk about and he hasn't, it makes you wonder why. I'm not going to just dismiss the reveals, because they may make all the difference when it comes to the end of the game.

 

I still feel Player acted funny to me at the beginning of this day, but his quotes on Tina interesting. If it was only one day then if maybe some sort of manipulation going on, but it wasn't. To blindly keep going for someone and not change, is someone very blinkered. My opnion may change throughout a game as more interaction happens, and people vote, so I find this odd behaviour.

[Lenlo]

I'm in class. Give me an hour.

[John E. Kelley]

I'm in class. Give me an hour.

No hour for you. Speed lynch Jay Leno ftw!!