Hangar 18 [BASIC GAME] Game over! Scum win. Nolder & WBK.

[_CLOUD]

I think he was trying to say it's still anyone's game. It's true. One wrong move and one side will win and one side will lose.

 

Yeah. 

[Darthe]

I'm willing to lynch Darthe. After reading Nolder's case he seems to be the scummiest player by far. I will give everyone a chance to case each other before voting though. 

 

Oh I definitely am.  Perhaps the sloppiest play that I have ever had can be found in this game.  Hence why I am still alive, ironically.

[Darthe]

Nonetheless we aren't going to lynch me because of two things.  One, I heartily know my alignment.  The only two people truly pushing for my lynch are you and Nol but you aren't biting Cloud.  Why not?  Your play seems rather rushed and unfocused here, as if you're waiting for another 1 or 2 to vote me.  

 

I don't much care how you answer that, we knew that not having a cop was a crux.  Hell, if I was scum I would have claimed cop a day ago and finished this game with a merry sweep.  

 

More importantly than the thousand things I could have done if I had been intentionally doing all of this crappy town play (or good scum play), I am currently voting for no lynch.  None of you have commented on that for more than an instant.  

 

Why?  It is pretty pivotal.  Can nobody come up with a negative reason for me to do so?  Probably not, because there is no town disadvantage.  So instead feel free to bury it in walls upon walls of text.

 

But Nolder doesn't want to go through all of that effort for a win.  He is begging you guys to vote me now and save him from having to work for it, and you have to give itt to him.  He has worked very hard.  Honestly, if Cloud and WBK were the mafia I would have been ticked at their lack of effort.  Not that it isn't possible but I am seeing a large last second push from Cloud and Nol, openly linking themselves now.

 

Oh, and lets remember that since this day has started Cloud has added almost half of his post count. (11 of 41, which was 30 before).

 

 

Yeah.  Read that last line again.

 

Oh, and when we do go no lynch the only safe mafia kill is Hally.  Would anyone care to know why?  Mish is protected, I am walking WIFOM and protection for Nol, WBK and Cloud are protection for one another (strongly leaning that WBK is protection for cloud now).  Mafia will put is back in this position with 3 to lynch instead of 4.  But we get a day to think things through.  

 

If not we vote cloud and use that to bury Nol.  I will not be sad to lose to him this time.  I only regret hammering Red instead.

[Nolder]

 

 

wow, nice way to get led by the nose by the scum you lot. first off, it was the weekand, you lot know i'm not on during the weekand *eyes Nol, Mish, Darth and Rand especially in this*

 

2nd, Cloud using my actions in another game to paint my abscence as trying to hide, week sauce dude.

 

3rd, Rand saying ive been playign it safe, are you serious? the No Lynch thing put me center front and i more than expected to be NKd over the night for my hints at being cop.

 

 

btw, i've been reading MoL all weekand, and have had Hay Fever since Friday. its bad enough that i called out of work today and have spent the majority of day in bed fighting bronchitist because my flamming nose wont quit running and a heelacious headache from coughing too damned much. one day you gues will hear of a mass fire in South Mississippi and will know its me burning down every one of these flamming goat loving pine trees. but thats fine, my death will expose the scum.

 

 

Darthe is imo Town, for reasons stated earlier. Cloud is the scummiest person in this game and Nol is the 2nd one imo given his antics with this push about inactivity as a distraction technique. conrads for outting yourself with that "Red lurked on purpose with the blood lust game" move there Cloud.

Here is reds opinion. Red is claiming that cloud is being the scummiest. Ignoring his joke vote on Mish, he voted Darthe, me, went back to Darthe, and then settled on red for day 1. The last vote was an omgus vote. He kept his vote on red for day two and was refusing to move it.

 

>Btw, that's me agreeing with Red's opinion on cloud.

 

Hahaha!! Seriously? You are making my job way too easy dude. First, let my explain your own inconsistency in your last couple of posts. I know that it's Night btw, but I don't really care. 

 

Ok. So you agree with Red's opinion about me. If so, then please tell my why you followed my vote on Red saying that you had a gut feeling that she was scum? When you cased Nolder you also brought up an ancient argument of Day 1 where people said that him bringing up his rant on inactivity was actually a scum strategy. 

 

You say that I ignored my joke vote on Mish? I don't really understand what you mean by this. If you look at page 2 where I made my first post you notice that my second one where I cased Darthe was almost 3.5 hours apart from the joke vote. Me voting Darthe, then voting you, then going back to Darthe and finally settling on Red was build on good reasoning. I have yet to find a good argument against it. Red claimed that I was following, and she even said that she would write a case about it. Where is the case?? She hadn't brought it up since Day 1, and even if she forgot about it here is my comment about this matter that I posted pages back: 

 

"@Red: I'm NOT shadowing ANYONE. I was the first to vote on Darthe with a case made by myself. I was also the first to case Kronos after everyone seemed to have ignored his comments. Saying that I was shadowing Mish throughout the whole game, or anyone for that matter, is plain bs. I'm doing by best to stand on my own two feet. Yes, I admit, I took your and Mish's comments about Darthe and incorperated them in my reasoning to vote on him, but that was just because I found the comments on his meta good and they drew me over the line. On page 6 I thought for sure that you were scum, but I'm not so certain anymore. That is the reason why I voted for a no lynch. We need more time."

 

My last vote on Red wasn't an OMGUS vote. Darthe, Nolder or Red needed to get lynched so we could continue this game. I found Red's play very inconsistent so I voted on her. You agreeing with the lynch on Red and now suddenly turning against me is scummy. If you actually agreed with Red's argument then you would have voted for me from the start, because most of her issues with me come from Day 1. 

 

This post really caught me off guard when I read it and it still stands out as strange when rereading it. Maybe it was the fever or something but it comes off as extremely defensive and overbearing. It's just a really excessive response compared to what he was responding to. That's not necessarily indicative of town or scum though.

 

Vote Hallia

 

I swear if this doesn't work I'm gonna hang you myself, Darthe. 

This is something I don't like and if it wasn't for the fact that it's Darthe he's doing it to I probably would have voted Cloud for this. So, in the future Cloud you should really avoid doing things like this. It looks like you're scum and you're going along with a townies bad idea to lynch another townie and then plan to hold them responsible for it. 

 

 

So, you will be doing that comprehensive list when?  

 

Dude, stop pushing her. She will write down her case when she has the time or when she feels like doing so, or else we just play on as we always have. 

 

I'm more interested in that case Nolder said he would write about each player. 

Comes in to defend Hallia which is a definite plus in my eyes. 

 

Yup. My quick summary is that Darthe, Mish (doc) and Nolder are town. Everyone cased Darthe and I was really suspicious of him during Day 1, but after time passed I became more sure that he is in fact Town. The same can be said for Nolder who kept bringing up the argument of inactivity. That only leaves Tress, Hallia and Kronos. In my opinion Kronos slipped up a few times, but those mistakes remained minor. I have no read on Tress. I think that Hallia is scum. Finally I think that Tress and Hallia are the mafia team we are looking for. Tress did a good job remaining under everyone's radar, but the same can't be said for Hallia. 

Hmmm now I don't know again. If he thought Hallia was scum and Darthe was town then why did he step up for Hallia last time he posted? I don't think that really adds up. 

 

*****

 

there goes everything..

Seemed forced to me.

 

*nods* This game is exciting. 

Especially considering his next post.

[Nolder]

Nonetheless we aren't going to lynch me because of two things.  One, I heartily know my alignment.  The only two people truly pushing for my lynch are you and Nol but you aren't biting Cloud.  Why not?  Your play seems rather rushed and unfocused here, as if you're waiting for another 1 or 2 to vote me.  

 

I don't much care how you answer that, we knew that not having a cop was a crux.  Hell, if I was scum I would have claimed cop a day ago and finished this game with a merry sweep.  

 

More importantly than the thousand things I could have done if I had been intentionally doing all of this crappy town play (or good scum play), I am currently voting for no lynch.  None of you have commented on that for more than an instant.  

 

Why?  It is pretty pivotal.  Can nobody come up with a negative reason for me to do so?  Probably not, because there is no town disadvantage.  So instead feel free to bury it in walls upon walls of text.

It seems pretty pointless to me. First of all because I am utterly convinced you are mafia but I'll put that aside and humor you. We no lynch and then what? Let's say the mafia doesn't kill again. Ok...so...we no lynch again? We could keep doing that hoping they'd give in and make a kill but there is no guarantee that would ever happen, thus wasting our time. Your big plan is IF that somehow happens we...win? No. It gets a little bit easier because a suspect is eliminated leaving us in 5 man lylo instead of 6 but that is no guarantee of a win either. Or maybe that doesn't happen and they keep no killing (which seems much more likely to me since you seem infatuated by this scenario). In that case Peace steps in. You seem to be pushing the idea that he will just end the game in a draw. I find it much more likely that he'll either force the town to lynch or the mafia to kill in which case we're back to being either in the exact same situation we are right now or one that is slightly better but still no guaranteed win. But let's say he does just end the game. Is that really how we want to end it? On a draw? Maybe that's what you want since you see your chances of winning after my case are extremely low (tooting my own horn? aww yeah) but I for one see victory in our grasp and I want it. Otherwise I see this game as a load of wasted time. Even if beyond all reason you've just played the worst game of your life and you're town and we lose. I'm ok with that. I'll applaud the mafia on their victory and move on. A "draw" would leave a sour taste in my mouth though and I hope everyone else agrees.

 

 

But Nolder doesn't want to go through all of that effort for a win.  He is begging you guys to vote me now and save him from having to work for it, and you have to give itt to him.  He has worked very hard.  Honestly, if Cloud and WBK were the mafia I would have been ticked at their lack of effort.  Not that it isn't possible but I am seeing a large last second push from Cloud and Nol, openly linking themselves now.

I don't know about begging but if it'll get you lynched faster I'm willing to give it a try.

 

Oh, and lets remember that since this day has started Cloud has added almost half of his post count. (11 of 41, which was 30 before).

 

 

Yeah.  Read that last line again.

As I said in my case on you earlier, it's mighty convenient of you to all of a sudden care about activity. Where were you on page 3? Or 13? Or 23? You sure as hell weren't in my corner talking about how we needed to stay on the people with low post counts I know that much.

 

Oh, and when we do go no lynch the only safe mafia kill is Hally.  Would anyone care to know why?  Mish is protected, I am walking WIFOM and protection for Nol, WBK and Cloud are protection for one another (strongly leaning that WBK is protection for cloud now).  Mafia will put is back in this position with 3 to lynch instead of 4.  But we get a day to think things through.  

 

If not we vote cloud and use that to bury Nol.  I will not be sad to lose to him this time.  I only regret hammering Red instead.

None of this makes any sense to me but ok.

[Darthe]

This is my problem Nol.  You're effort and phrasing this game just seems regular to me.  Legitimately the way that you have tossed about ideas strikes me as a townie way to do so in this game.  However, your dogged persistence on some things, such as that I am mafia and that the town doesn't really have or need alternatives today, are HUUUGGGEEE pings.  I mean, monumental.  

 

I would lynch cloud first and then you and then WBK.  We only need to get one and then Mish, Hally, and I have a big enough majority to swing this game.  If mafia eliminates me it won't matter, they can't touch her and she can sweep just as effectively with Hally.  

 

 

Oh, and I have cared about activity all game.   I was alongside you, but without a confirmed cop we were not going to go through three days of random ass lynches.  That is what it would have taken and it was a losing strategy.

 

That would make sense to you if you thought before speaking once or twice in this match.  

 

Honestly, the vast majority of my "pingy statements" come from me getting flustered when nobody listened to my ideas.  Sometimes that has ended up better and sometimes it hasn't.

[Darthe]

Oh and I recognize that I forgot to reply to the top part of that.  My plan is to narrow the playing field.  Any advantage is some advantage.  

 

And yes, if the mafia doesn't win then we no lynch again.  3 day/night cycles with no team gaining is a draw in standard mafia.  I will take a draw over a loss any day.  

[Nolder]

This is my problem Nol.  You're effort and phrasing this game just seems regular to me.  Legitimately the way that you have tossed about ideas strikes me as a townie way to do so in this game.  However, your dogged persistence on some things, such as that I am mafia and that the town doesn't really have or need alternatives today, are HUUUGGGEEE pings.  I mean, monumental.  

See, this is exactly my point. You say one thing and then you contradict yourself later. Earlier you admitted that you've played a really bad (scummy) game but then you demonize me for following up on that and wanting to lynch you for it. Is it not a logical and rational thing to lynch someone who's played scummy all game?

 

As for having "alternatives". What does that even mean? People can vote however they want I don't care. I am going to vote you and I will push your lynch but that's all I can do. If people want to lynch someone else that's on them not me. And if they want to no lynch that's on them as well. I personally find the no lynch pointless as best and leading to a disappointing ending at worst. I'd rather make the wrong move and lose then be so afraid to lose that I'm not even playing the game.

 

I would lynch cloud first and then you and then WBK.  We only need to get one and then Mish, Hally, and I have a big enough majority to swing this game.  If mafia eliminates me it won't matter, they can't touch her and she can sweep just as effectively with Hally.  

 

 

Oh, and I have cared about activity all game.   I was alongside you, but without a confirmed cop we were not going to go through three days of random ass lynches.  That is what it would have taken and it was a losing strategy.

1. No, you really weren't.

2. If so many TOWNIES are that inactive lynching them or not lynching them does not improve our chances either way. If enough townies are going to lurk that lynching them all would result in a losing game then that sucks and those people ruined our game.

[Hallia]

Nol, I've got to say your arguments over the last couple days for Darthe's lynching have been more compelling than they have for anyone else.   You have noted his slip ups and inconsistencies over and over the past day or so.  I'm willing to stay with it this time, but if he turns out to be town I'm going to feel so bad. >.<

 

Vote Darthe

[Darthe]

Prepare to feel horrible.

 

 Also, we have two available outcomes here.  Mafia speed hammers and is WBK/Cronos, mafia doesn't hammer.  If mafia doesn't hammer the only possibility are that Nol or I are mafia, correct?  

 

Here is what I propose.  I have no power except for that of my voice and with the lackadaisical nature of this game I do not intend to put hours of effort into a victory here.  So, I am requesting that you all read my game without reading Nolder's abrasive and large commentary in between.  Do not isolate yourself to his opinion SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WRITES IT LIKE THIS.  but instead consider the things that I have said.  

 

Town can still win this game, but I have very little hope of convincing you all.  especially not with newbies more persuaded by sheer quantity than reason.  

[Darthe]

 

This is my problem Nol.  You're effort and phrasing this game just seems regular to me.  Legitimately the way that you have tossed about ideas strikes me as a townie way to do so in this game.  However, your dogged persistence on some things, such as that I am mafia and that the town doesn't really have or need alternatives today, are HUUUGGGEEE pings.  I mean, monumental.  

See, this is exactly my point. You say one thing and then you contradict yourself later. Earlier you admitted that you've played a really bad (scummy) game but then you demonize me for following up on that and wanting to lynch you for it. Is it not a logical and rational thing to lynch someone who's played scummy all game?

 

As for having "alternatives". What does that even mean? People can vote however they want I don't care. I am going to vote you and I will push your lynch but that's all I can do. If people want to lynch someone else that's on them not me. And if they want to no lynch that's on them as well. I personally find the no lynch pointless as best and leading to a disappointing ending at worst. I'd rather make the wrong move and lose then be so afraid to lose that I'm not even playing the game.

 

>I would lynch cloud first and then you and then WBK.  We only need to get one and then Mish, Hally, and I have a big enough majority to swing this game.  If mafia eliminates me it won't matter, they can't touch her and she can sweep just as effectively with Hally.  

 

 

Oh, and I have cared about activity all game.   I was alongside you, but without a confirmed cop we were not going to go through three days of random ass lynches.  That is what it would have taken and it was a losing strategy.

1. No, you really weren't.

2. If so many TOWNIES are that inactive lynching them or not lynching them does not improve our chances either way. If enough townies are going to lurk that lynching them all would result in a losing game then that sucks and those people ruined our game.

 

 

I should probably be responding to these but to be honest I didn't read the longer ones.  Nonetheless this is an easy example.  It is not contradictory of me to say that I have played a poor game and to say that I shouldn't be lynched.  Unless you think that at Lylo we can afford to lynch people who know themselves to be town? I would like to point out that you have played a poor enough game to gain consistent heat as well and that most people have been generally more suspect of you than I.  But it seems that Mish is gone and the newbies do not care enough to think back before your brackish posts.  

[Hallia]

 

I'm willing to lynch Darthe. After reading Nolder's case he seems to be the scummiest player by far. I will give everyone a chance to case each other before voting though. 

 

Oh I definitely am.  Perhaps the sloppiest play that I have ever had can be found in this game.  Hence why I am still alive, ironically.

 

 

Prepare to feel horrible.

 

 Also, we have two available outcomes here.  Mafia speed hammers and is WBK/Cronos, mafia doesn't hammer.  If mafia doesn't hammer the only possibility are that Nol or I are mafia, correct?  

 

Here is what I propose.  I have no power except for that of my voice and with the lackadaisical nature of this game I do not intend to put hours of effort into a victory here.  So, I am requesting that you all read my game without reading Nolder's abrasive and large commentary in between.  Do not isolate yourself to his opinion SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WRITES IT LIKE THIS.  but instead consider the things that I have said.  

 

Town can still win this game, but I have very little hope of convincing you all.  especially not with newbies more persuaded by sheer quantity than reason.  

 

I did not side with Nolder's argument simply because he used larger, bolder font.  His argument was logical, and even you say your play was off this game.  It could be off like you say, because you're just playing a not so great game, or it's off because you are mafia and Nol latched onto your scumminess.  You mentioned the speed hammer, I've still not seen that - does that mean we already have one of the mafia members targeted?

[michellem]

I'm not gone Darthe; just been mulling it over in my head. And I've come to the conclusion that I gotta follow the instinct that's been yelling to be heard...

 

Vote Nol

 

I'm not gonna post a huge case with dozens of quotes. I don't have any clever reasons. Just instinct. I may be horribly wrong. But... I can't ignore that voice anymore.

[peacesells]

Vote count:

 

No lynch (1): Darthe

 

Nolder (1): Mish

 

Darthe (2): Nolder, Hallia

 

Not voting:  Cloud, WBK,

 

With 6 players it takes 4 to lynch.  Deadline is Tuesday night 11 pm MST.

 

How anyone can think this isn't a great basic game I don't understand.   Play on.

[Hallia]

It's fantastic I think Peace. :)

[Darthe]

Very well then Mish.  All or nothing.  

 

Vote Nol.

[Darthe]

Vote count:

 

No lynch (1): Darthe

 

Nolder (1): Mish

 

Darthe (2): Nolder, Hallia

 

Not voting:  Cloud, WBK,

 

With 6 players it takes 4 to lynch.  Deadline is Tuesday night 11 pm MST.

 

How anyone can think this isn't a great basic game I don't understand.   Play on.

 

My mother always told me that my two talents are music and complaining and right now I am not making music.  It is fun, if frustrating.

[Darthe]

Shiz.  Unvote vote Nol.

[Hallia]

If I turn out to be wrong about you Darthe, and Nol is the secretly the mafia, I'm going to feel terrible. 

[peacesells]

Vote count:

 

Nolder (2): Mish, Darthe

 

Darthe (2): Nolder, Hallia

 

Not voting:  Cloud, WBK,

 

With 6 players it takes 4 to lynch.  Deadline is Tuesday night 11 pm MST.

[peacesells]

A little over 24 hours left.

[Darthe]

If I turn out to be wrong about you Darthe, and Nol is the secretly the mafia, I'm going to feel terrible. 

 

Not to rehash my statements here but.. prepare to feel horrible.

[Nolder]

Well there it is

Mish has finally thrown her lot in with Darthe

I wasn't 100% sure of her being his partner before now

Actually started considering it was Cloud while doing my casing (which it looks like I'm not going to have time to finish at this rate) but this clears things up

 

Cloud and WBK

It's up to you guys now

[WolfbrotherKronos]

vote darthe

[michellem]

I am still not Darthe's partner. I am able to think and act on my own, Nol. Your never-ending disbelief of my claim is one of the things that made me choose to vote you in the first place. Out of the six possibly set-ups we have, there's a Doc in four of them. You discredited my claim from the get-go. If it was a fakeclaim, it would have been suicide to claim when I did; if I were mafia I wouldn't have any idea if there was a doc out there or not, the odds weren't good. You were also awfully quick to discredit the possibility that mafia had only even-night kills, and you've been pushing cases all over the place, but most notably pushing way hard on Darthe all the way since D1. Right now I sit with the feeling that it's because you knew he would be your biggest threat. I might be horribly wrong; but you are even more wrong; I am not mafia, I am town Doc.

 

 

 

Also Kronos, your following of Nol is noted, and will be brought back if he flips scum.