Hangar 18 [BASIC GAME] Game over! Scum win. Nolder & WBK.

[Darthe]

pressure the newb or mass claim.  wtf Darthe.  why the newb over everyone else?  and option #2, you cant really be serious on the mass claim crap.

 

 

Excellent!  Red is on my town list as is Nol and Tress.  5 to go!

[Nolder]

Yeah massclaiming isn't a good idea in this setup. Still don't see any reason to no lynch either Red. You're talking about numbers but the way I see it we only have so many lynches in a game, why give one up? It's the only power we can be 100% sure about in this game.

[_CLOUD]

Vote Mish for no particular reason   

[_CLOUD]

 

 

 

 

Nol - odds are a townie will get lynched D1, going ahead and voting No Lynch not only keeps our numbers equal to scum in the night, but also prevents any D1 claims from happening.

 

Disgusting.  This is the sort of logic that leads to ...and they lived happily ever after.  

 

For those of you who don't know what that is, it is the fact that probablistically each time gains advantage by offsetting the number of kills in their favor and as such the idea was proposed that it is actually beneficial for a team to not kill at some points.  When both teams do this it is a stalemate of no deaths and so the game ends, typically with the line  ...and they lived happily ever after.

 

fatalistic and extremist much?  at best we have 2 cops or a cop and doc, at worst we have 1 power role.  Mafia already has the advantage, especially if they ended up with the RBer.

 

it isn't ending in a stalemate or "living happily ever after" its limiting the eventuality of a being down two townies come D2 before a cop can view, if we have one. 

 

no lynch benefits the town and hampers the scum, you're heavy handed reaction pings.  mafia is a numbers game, the longer we keep our numbers up, the longer they have to hide and the more chance they will slip and expose themselves.  unless a scum exposes themselves, No Lynch is our smartest option for this setup.

 

 

>It is beyond rare.  I have a suggestion.  Why don't you either join me in pressuring the newbie or we all mass claim.  I think this could be ground breaking.  It will narrow down which game variety we have through the outing of town PR's and then our investigative views the vanillas (doc of course claims vanilla).

 

pressure the newb or mass claim.  wtf Darthe.  why the newb over everyone else?  and option #2, you cant really be serious on the mass claim crap.

 

 

I have to agree with Darthe on this one. Winning with such a cheap tactic is beyond boring. I play Mafia to have fun, and I won't be having any if we continue down this path. 

 

Why not the newb? Someone must get lynched and she is the most likely to make mistakes. Your defense on Hallia is noted. 

 

It is beyond rare.  I have a suggestion.  Why don't you either join me in pressuring the newbie or we all mass claim.  I think this could be ground breaking.  It will narrow down which game variety we have through the outing of town PR's and then our investigative views the vanillas (doc of course claims vanilla).

 

Yes, let's mass claim.... /sarcasm

 

And the fun is underway. 

 

@ Darthe - in the case of a mass claim, anyone with a brain is going to claim vanilla town.  Period.  We're not guaranteed a doc to protect a cop, if we even have a cop. 

 

This. 

 

 

Seriously guys, this game has just begun and there are already two crazy strategies underway. I don't like how Darthe acts that his plan was actually a trap and how he concluded that Red, Nol and Tress are on his town list for no reason at all. 

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Darthe 

[michellem]

Woah, look who comes out with guns blazing Someone is getting their mafia game confidence on!

 

 

Darthe, I'll just assume that you were joking, since both strategies makes for an awfully boring game,... Also, who cares wich set-up it is? The only difference from a normal game, is that we know the different possibilies. Usually at the start of a game we have no idea at all wich roles are in a game. I think we should take the advantages given in knowing the set-ups (knowing that there is no godfather and at such all cops viewings will be correct if we have one i.e.), and then forget about them for now.

[Red2111]

Cloud - not a defense on the newb just asking why the newb over pressuring more vet players that actually know what their doign and will likely not make obvious slips. in my experience newbs dont need pressure to out themselves as scum; you did a fair job of outting yourself in Darthes game by your lack of being able to handle pressure from Mynd for example.

 

i just find Darthes wllingness to bulldog a newb out of the gate, latching onto a previous vote by Kronos, worth questioning. and why he's singling out one player for pressure when everyone should be equal opportunity at pressure. two questions he's thus ignored

 

 

 

 

pressure the newb or mass claim.  wtf Darthe.  why the newb over everyone else?  and option #2, you cant really be serious on the mass claim crap.

 

 

Excellent!  Red is on my town list as is Nol and Tress.  5 to go!

really, so you get pressure from your mass role claim idea and you switch motives. if it was a tactic fish for reactions, you pulled it way too fast.

 

ping #3

[_CLOUD]

Woah, look who comes out with guns blazing Someone is getting their mafia game confidence on!

 

:P

 

Cloud - not a defense on the newb just asking why the newb over pressuring more vet players that actually know what their doign and will likely not make obvious slips. in my experience newbs dont need pressure to out themselves as scum; you did a fair job of outting yourself in Darthes game by your lack of being able to handle pressure from Mynd for example.

 

i just find Darthes wllingness to bulldog a newb out of the gate, latching onto a previous vote by Kronos, worth questioning. and why he's singling out one player for pressure when everyone should be equal opportunity at pressure. two questions he's thus ignored

 

Fair enough. 

[peacesells]

Vote Count:

 

Cloud: (1)  Mish

Hallia: (2)  WBK, Darthe

Des: (1) Nolder

WBK: (1) Hallia

Darthe: (1) Cloud

No Lynch: (1) Red

 

With 9 players it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Day will end Friday 1/18 at 3PM MST.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Nol - odds are a townie will get lynched D1, going ahead and voting No Lynch not only keeps our numbers equal to scum in the night, but also prevents any D1 claims from happening.

 

Disgusting.  This is the sort of logic that leads to ...and they lived happily ever after.  

 

For those of you who don't know what that is, it is the fact that probablistically each time gains advantage by offsetting the number of kills in their favor and as such the idea was proposed that it is actually beneficial for a team to not kill at some points.  When both teams do this it is a stalemate of no deaths and so the game ends, typically with the line  ...and they lived happily ever after.

 

fatalistic and extremist much?  at best we have 2 cops or a cop and doc, at worst we have 1 power role.  Mafia already has the advantage, especially if they ended up with the RBer.

 

it isn't ending in a stalemate or "living happily ever after" its limiting the eventuality of a being down two townies come D2 before a cop can view, if we have one. 

 

no lynch benefits the town and hampers the scum, you're heavy handed reaction pings.  mafia is a numbers game, the longer we keep our numbers up, the longer they have to hide and the more chance they will slip and expose themselves.  unless a scum exposes themselves, No Lynch is our smartest option for this setup.

 

 

>It is beyond rare.  I have a suggestion.  Why don't you either join me in pressuring the newbie or we all mass claim.  I think this could be ground breaking.  It will narrow down which game variety we have through the outing of town PR's and then our investigative views the vanillas (doc of course claims vanilla).

 

pressure the newb or mass claim.  wtf Darthe.  why the newb over everyone else?  and option #2, you cant really be serious on the mass claim crap.

 

 

 

 

Cloud - not a defense on the newb just asking why the newb over pressuring more vet players that actually know what their doign and will likely not make obvious slips. in my experience newbs dont need pressure to out themselves as scum; you did a fair job of outting yourself in Darthes game by your lack of being able to handle pressure from Mynd for example.

 

i just find Darthes wllingness to bulldog a newb out of the gate, latching onto a previous vote by Kronos, worth questioning. and why he's singling out one player for pressure when everyone should be equal opportunity at pressure. two questions he's thus ignored

 

 

 

 

pressure the newb or mass claim.  wtf Darthe.  why the newb over everyone else?  and option #2, you cant really be serious on the mass claim crap.

 

 

Excellent!  Red is on my town list as is Nol and Tress.  5 to go!

really, so you get pressure from your mass role claim idea and you switch motives. if it was a tactic fish for reactions, you pulled it way too fast.

 

ping #3

 

 

Vote Count:

 

Cloud: (1)  Mish

Hallia: (2)  WBK, Darthe

Des: (1) Nolder

WBK: (1) Hallia

Darthe: (1) Cloud

No Lynch: (1) Red

 

With 9 players it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Day will end Friday 1/18 at 3PM MST.

 

 

(To the bold) So, to be clear here Red, you are stating that I have pinged you (the bulldog) three times by page two and you aren't voting me?  You have also accused me so far of being heavy handed, fatalistic, extremist, scummy, bulldogging, fishing, latching, and avoiding answering questions.  I should mention that you state that I have not answered for questions that you only ask in the sentence before (aka directly in the same post and already pushing me for not answering it).  This has been highlighted in green and listed alongside a vote count for everyone's convenience.  

 

Red has bitten.  She knows that I extensively know her meta and is attempting to create a strong impression without risking herself by placing an early vote because with only two mafia that is risky.  Red is mafia.

 

Unvote Vote Red.

[Red2111]

(To the bold) So, to be clear here Red, you are stating that I have pinged you (the bulldog) three times by page two and you aren't voting me?  You have also accused me so far of being heavy handed, fatalistic, extremist, scummy, bulldogging, fishing, latching, and avoiding answering questions.  I should mention that you state that I have not answered for questions that you only ask in the sentence before (aka directly in the same post and already pushing me for not answering it).  This has been highlighted in green and listed alongside a vote count for everyone's convenience.  

 

Red has bitten.  She knows that I extensively know her meta and is attempting to create a strong impression without risking herself by placing an early vote because with only two mafia that is risky.  Red is mafia.

 

Unvote Vote Red.

yes you've done three things to ping, but pressure can be applied to you without voting you. right now, i like my vote where it is becuase nothing has yet to convince me No Lynch isn't the way to go today.

 

i asked my question around 9:30pm last night, you posted after me aroudn 10pm and now, still avoiding my 2 questions.

 

1 - why the newb over everyone else?

 

2.1 and 2.2 - why the mass claim phishing technique and why (if it was a reaction test) did you show your hand before even half the players have checked in?

 

 

and without risking myself, lmfao Darthe yer so funny. my playstyle is a risk in itself; i thought i was just on your town list here dude? seems like yer being way too over eager there.

[Darthe]

double post & 2nd bandwagon vote.  tsk tsk Darthe

 

 

you know whats funny, getting out of jail by rolling doubles, then proceeding to roll two more sets of doubles and going right back

 

 

Nol - odds are a townie will get lynched D1, going ahead and voting No Lynch not only keeps our numbers equal to scum in the night, but also prevents any D1 claims from happening.

 

 

These are your posts from last night.  I see no question.  Further I call bullshanks that you can both believe all of those things about me and not believe me worth a vote.  It is forced either way.

[Red2111]

 

 

 

 

 

Nol - odds are a townie will get lynched D1, going ahead and voting No Lynch not only keeps our numbers equal to scum in the night, but also prevents any D1 claims from happening.

 

Disgusting.  This is the sort of logic that leads to ...and they lived happily ever after.  

 

For those of you who don't know what that is, it is the fact that probablistically each time gains advantage by offsetting the number of kills in their favor and as such the idea was proposed that it is actually beneficial for a team to not kill at some points.  When both teams do this it is a stalemate of no deaths and so the game ends, typically with the line  ...and they lived happily ever after.

 

fatalistic and extremist much?  at best we have 2 cops or a cop and doc, at worst we have 1 power role.  Mafia already has the advantage, especially if they ended up with the RBer.

 

it isn't ending in a stalemate or "living happily ever after" its limiting the eventuality of a being down two townies come D2 before a cop can view, if we have one. 

 

no lynch benefits the town and hampers the scum, you're heavy handed reaction pings.  mafia is a numbers game, the longer we keep our numbers up, the longer they have to hide and the more chance they will slip and expose themselves.  unless a scum exposes themselves, No Lynch is our smartest option for this setup.

 

 

It is beyond rare.  I have a suggestion.  Why don't you either join me in pressuring the newbie or we all mass claim.  I think this could be ground breaking.  It will narrow down which game variety we have through the outing of town PR's and then our investigative views the vanillas (doc of course claims vanilla).

 

pressure the newb or mass claim.  wtf Darthe.  why the newb over everyone else?  and option #2, you cant really be serious on the mass claim crap.

bolkd and in orange for you. check out the time stamp before you go puling those sort of scummy skimming bullshanks Darthe.

 

 

make that ping #4. for skimming and STILL dodging my questions

[Red2111]

dunno if the time stamp carried over, but that was yesturday @ 9:31pm CST

 

 

[Darthe]

 

(To the bold) So, to be clear here Red, you are stating that I have pinged you (the bulldog) three times by page two and you aren't voting me?  You have also accused me so far of being heavy handed, fatalistic, extremist, scummy, bulldogging, fishing, latching, and avoiding answering questions.  I should mention that you state that I have not answered for questions that you only ask in the sentence before (aka directly in the same post and already pushing me for not answering it).  This has been highlighted in green and listed alongside a vote count for everyone's convenience.  

 

Red has bitten.  She knows that I extensively know her meta and is attempting to create a strong impression without risking herself by placing an early vote because with only two mafia that is risky.  Red is mafia.

 

Unvote Vote Red.

yes you've done three things to ping, but pressure can be applied to you without voting you. right now, i like my vote where it is becuase nothing has yet to convince me No Lynch isn't the way to go today.

 

i asked my question around 9:30pm last night, you posted after me aroudn 10pm and now, still avoiding my 2 questions.

 

1 - why the newb over everyone else?

 

2.1 and 2.2 - why the mass claim phishing technique and why (if it was a reaction test) did you show your hand before even half the players have checked in?

 

 

and without risking myself, lmfao Darthe yer so funny. my playstyle is a risk in itself; i thought i was just on your town list here dude? seems like yer being way too over eager there.

 

1. The new person got a second vote from me because I can do so and because new players can warrant strategies such as early pressure whereas other players know how to respond to those already.  Any early read gained or way to exploit another to get information is an advantage.  It could just as easily have been another and yet we have little other than a compensating response from hallia to show that the person was here and then left.  More will be learned with time.

 

2. The mass claim was a thought which I recognized as flawed moments after posting it.  Regardless I intended to use it as a game starter and once it produced movement I discarded it.  I am not going to attach myself or commit to something I do not fully agree with, you know better.

 

Don't attempt to flip or shrug off my response.  

[Red2111]

btw where is Desbro. 2 RL days into this game and he's not even posted

[Darthe]

Hey Red.. That is 10:31 and not on page 1.  But that is besides the point, feel free to keep building a case on nothing.

[Red2111]

holy smokes, check that out. after denying the existance of that post from last night and dodgin my question Darthe finally answers.

 

tell me, why did you blatantly leave out the post i quoted in you smart ass "heres your posts from last night" post dude?

 

1. The new person got a second vote from me because I can do so and because new players can warrant strategies such as early pressure whereas other players know how to respond to those already.  Any early read gained or way to exploit another to get information is an advantage.  It could just as easily have been another and yet we have little other than a compensating response from hallia to show that the person was here and then left.  More will be learned with time.

 

2. The mass claim was a thought which I recognized as flawed moments after posting it.  Regardless I intended to use it as a game starter and once it produced movement I discarded it.  I am not going to attach myself or commit to something I do not fully agree with, you know better.

 

Don't attempt to flip or shrug off my response.  

me attempt to flip or shrug off your response? i'm not the one treating the questions like their the 5 Ds of dodgeball

 

 

1 - a 2nd vote for wagon sakes on D1 is hardly pressure and even by newbs will be shrugged off, so i fail to see the tactics of that

 

2 - if that was your plan then you suffer from premature reactionary planning, which only brings "these people are town due to reactions" even more suspect imo

[Red2111]

Hey Red.. That is 10:31 and not on page 1.  But that is besides the point, feel free to keep building a case on nothing.

it says 9:31pm for me, but i'm also CST.

 

and i didn't say anything about what page its on, so why are you pulling stuff out of the hat to try and discredit me?

[Darthe]

Yeah, that is why.  I am EST and so I posted the things around that timeframe (which was page 1) and thus didn't see your page two shiz.  

 

Is it discrediting you to state that it was on a different page from the time I was told to look?  that is quite defensive for you.

[Darthe]

 

holy smokes, check that out. after denying the existance of that post from last night and dodgin my question Darthe finally answers.

 

tell me, why did you blatantly leave out the post i quoted in you smart ass "heres your posts from last night" post dude?

 

1. The new person got a second vote from me because I can do so and because new players can warrant strategies such as early pressure whereas other players know how to respond to those already.  Any early read gained or way to exploit another to get information is an advantage.  It could just as easily have been another and yet we have little other than a compensating response from hallia to show that the person was here and then left.  More will be learned with time.

 

2. The mass claim was a thought which I recognized as flawed moments after posting it.  Regardless I intended to use it as a game starter and once it produced movement I discarded it.  I am not going to attach myself or commit to something I do not fully agree with, you know better.

 

Don't attempt to flip or shrug off my response.  

me attempt to flip or shrug off your response? i'm not the one treating the questions like their the 5 Ds of dodgeball

 

 

1 - a 2nd vote for wagon sakes on D1 is hardly pressure and even by newbs will be shrugged off, so i fail to see the tactics of that

 

2 - if that was your plan then you suffer from premature reactionary planning, which only brings "these people are town due to reactions" even more suspect imo

 

1. I attempted to get a third and it has uncovered your bullshat so I am pretty content.

 

2. the only premature thing I suffer from.  Have you really never gotten quick town reads to use as a basis?  They can easily change (already have).

[Nolder]

Unvote

Vote Darthe

 

Yeeeaaah I'm not buying this. Red's case isn't great imo (she always makes mountains out of molehills) but the fact remains you were pushing a lynch on a newbie for no other reason than because they were a newbie and when that landed you in hot water you flipped it around like it was a reaction test. That is reason enough to lynch you.

[Darthe]

That is not very logical Nol.  What mafia member would antagonize and gain this much heat right off the bat for no reason?  I haven't "flipped" anything.  I placed a second vote on someone and used it for my purposes.  

[Nolder]

You weren't trying to get heat. You wanted to lynch a newbie and then when you got caught you played it off like it was a reaction test.

I'm not talking about your vote I'm talking about your other actions and supposed intentions.

[Darthe]

whatever you say bro   

[Songstress]

Cloud - not a defense on the newb just asking why the newb over pressuring more vet players that actually know what their doign and will likely not make obvious slips. in my experience newbs dont need pressure to out themselves as scum; you did a fair job of outting yourself in Darthes game by your lack of being able to handle pressure from Mynd for example.

 

Anyone else see the contradiction here?

 

First Red says newbs don't need pressure to out themselves as scum, then as an example uses Cloud in Darthe's game - noting that he outed himself because he couldn't handle the pressure from Mynd.