[Advanced] Bloodlust Mafia Game Over!

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aaaah I love deadpool gifs

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[John E. Kelley]

I'm going to lay this out there now, since there's a better than average chance I'm killed tonight. I plan on going after Panda hard tomorrow, so should I be NK'd, you'll know who ordered it.

 

My reasons for thinking him scum boil down to a couple of things. Mostly, meta. If you look back to Red's alt-game, you'll know that when Town, he's aggresive, vocal, and very active, none of which he has been this game. This time, he's lurky, quiet, and inactive. And at the rate Darthe has been replacing people, he'd probably have replaced Panda by now if he weren't active somewhere, like a QT. His constant attacking and FoS'ing of Town power roles also indicates to me that he desperately wants vetted Townies run up and lynched, whether they were vetted by BG, like Mynd or Basel, or by teammates, like myself, he's cased and voted for each of the named players. His "lawyer-speak" during Day one when Mynd was the center of attention is also out of character, he's usually direct and straight talking. And finally, last day phase, he did everything he could to stall the Cloud lynch, from bringing up Cult as a distraction, to voting and casing me, the most vocal during the entire game against Cloud. I'd be interested to see where he stood during Len's lynch, but can't look back right now. Add all of this up, and you see a pattern which points straight to Panda being scum.

 

On the recruiting issue, it would seem lame to be in a Vampire theme gamed and not have Townies being turned into vamps by the scum team. Therefore, I'm pretty sure Panda won't be the last of them. Whether they have recruited just one, or two, I can't say, but there's probably at least one more member of the scum team. To be completely honest, if I were them, I'd have gone after one of the semi-vetted Townies to skate to the end with someone that Town saw as verified. In their place, I would have chosen me, or maybe Mynd. I would say BG too, but we already have his coroner report to discount that. If they still have the ability to recruit, then we're in trouble, but I still suspect that Len dying lost them that ability. Nothing to base that assumption on other than Darthe's scene, just gut really.

 

Just wanted to put this out there before Day so you'd know my thoughts. And if I turn up dead, so you'd also know who did it. Trust me, if I'm killed, Panda will be behind it.

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and sometimes gifs just make you wonder

 

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noted Ishy

 

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[Red2111]

i almost didn't see the corner report or Ishys post buried under all this spam. seriously Smiley, 2 flamming pages of spam. i'm glad that cloud flipped scum but this is rediculous and doesnt make me look forward to the 20+ pages i have to catch up. not to mention the amount of time it takes for my broswer to load the page due to all the pics and gifs.

 

 

a bit excessive there mate.

[cosmicpanda]

I don't think I've constantly attacked town power roles at all - I'm not sure where Ishy's pulled that from. (My initial reaction to his claim and BG's claim was to accept them, if you look back to days one and two.) About Cloud, I was working on the assumption that he was probably town, since the results he gave indicated that Lenlo had a chance of being mafia, and Lenlo then went and flipped mafia! It's a hell of a gambit for mafia to pull, for not a lot of gain. And, again with the lawyer talk. Nobody has quoted any of it to me. I have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

I won't respond to Ishy's thoughts on recruiting - it's not possible without stirring up more WIFOM than he already has. However, the position he's taken on Cloud and, to a lesser extent, Lenlo makes it unlikely he's been recruited by a recruiting mafia team, at least. Jury's out on the possibility of a cult. 

 

And enough with the spam. We have entire boards dedicated to that shizzle. 

[Turin Turambar]

Nice to see you make an actual case Ishy. There was one small error that doesn't really matter but I am sure someone will mention it so I will just get it out of the way. BG viewed you not Mynd/Red. So you were the one directly cleared N1. Red was in effect cleared by your information. Then myself DNS Basel on subsequent nights.

 

Smiley us a picture spam machine. Darthe really shouldn't have encouraged him.

[Turin Turambar]

DNS=and. Flipping autocorrect.

[Red2111]

Turin -

 

yes AMD=and. Autocorrect strikes again.

 

Yes. I am suspicious of them for NOT BEING ON THE HOOF LYNCH. Mafia is unlikely to put all their votes on one train so early cause it links them through actions. The posts from Tress speak for themselves. Making up stuff on Dice/Ithi. Making a no thought vote on Lenlo who was mafia. This last bit where she unvotes but doesn't vote anyone. Kinda weird.

 

Kayee has followed a bunch this game which is consistent with her play in recent games in which she was mafia. That last vote was a very safe statement. Lynching for info cause you don't think he is mafia either. But another dead townie makes you one step closer to victory.

the only thing that stood out for Led on D1 was this Pg 7 post 127

 

"Dam. Im loathe to vote mynd atm cuz he is playing to his meta. The whole mish and cloud debacle seems unjustified since there is no proof that they spoke to each other about the game outside of it. I always find peace scummy for some reason and am usually wrong.

 

Ishy seems to have made mention if tress an awful lot as his something or other related. So lets see where that leads us. vote trrss "

 

it pinged because he tap dances aroudn the entire Mynd/Mish/Cloud thing and tries to start up a wagon on a person not even in the game. and his reasoning "Ishy mentioned tress an aweful lot" is flawed as Ishy only brought up Tress once and that was to point out that not all bondeds pull punches in this game when it coems to lynchings/NKs. other than that, he lurkered.

 

Kay - has been on her meta D1. shes lurked, cheerleaded and only commented on half the stuff. i'm still reserving judgement but i dislike how she latched onto the Jester comment D1.

 

 

 

Pandy -

 

I think this post from Turin really nails what's making me feel uneasy. Our nightkills have been very strange. Sakaea was not a factor in this game. On night two, TGlems of all people died. Why not kill JLM, BG, Cloud, Mynd or Ishy? The most obvious answer, as far as I see it, is that things are not as they seem. BG may have been recruited the night after he claimed; Ishy or Mynd are also good targets for a recruiter. BG has also 'confirmed' Turin and Basel, and so they would be good targets, but it would be strange for Turin to keep bringing up the topic of recruitment if he had been himself recruited.

as Turin is the only one with "proof" theres recruiting in this game i'm chalking it up as a disctraction attempt by scum tbh. as for recruitement of mynd or ishy, i dunno. i was masons with Kae in a game once and was recruited by the cult. it cause mega balance issues and Kae ended up getting me lynched over it. so if that was the case, and i highly doubt it, then if one of us was recruited they would have NKd the other to lift the WIFOM around the mason claim and allow the other to skate by golden.

 

aside from the fact that Turin is the only person who has info stating theres recruitment in this game. i get that given the source material (Vamps) recruitment is somethign that fits well. but also remember that all of us gather here are Vamp Hunters; so if there is recruitment then obviously some of us are un-recruitable (Blade for instance would be highly unlikely to be recruitable given his character).

 

this fact, plus that all we have to go on is Turins word is why i'm leaning more towards a distraction technique by scum. hence my push on Turin.

 

 

 

The question is, then, how many people are we facing? I have no knowledge of the flavour, so I don't know if there's likely to be a third party or not. I know from experience, though, that it's not uncommon for there to be a cult in mafia games, and they're the ones who normally recruit. We have no evidence of a cult so far that I've seen - certainly nobody has flipped cult. However, nothing from the mod excludes the possibility, and Turin's hinted that his role has something to do with recruitment. A cult would have started on day one with probably one member, and if so would have by now extended that to four members. A recruiting mafia team is a little bit different, and not something I've come across often, but who knows.

FoS for the cult thing. its bad enough that Turin is riding this recruitment crap, now you capitalize on it and throw in a cult to the mix. given the deaths so far a cult is highly unlikely as statistically we should have hit one by now. 2nd, this is the 2nd time so far you've flung out a 3rd party; first painting Mynd as Jester now this cult crap.

 

 

My point is, the possibility of recruitment in the game means that we can't trust any individual claim, unless they've been made by a person who's flipped townie. That's not to say that I'm suggesting that we lynch people as soon as they claim anything, since we wouldn't get anywhere if we did that. The information we had on Day One from people would have been the most reliable, but it's likely that up to three people's alignments have changed since. We have 12 people remaining. It's conceivable that if we lynch one today and the mafia kills one more tonight, we could lose the game today by lynching wrongly.

 

The consequence of all this is that I'm not trusting claims until the person is confirmed by mod flip.

the above post is exactly why i'm so skeptical of recruitment in this game. it smells more like an attempt to sew exactly this sort of chaos and you see who the two main drivers are behind this.

 

Mr. Scummy McScummerson Turin and Pandaman 3rd party flinger.

 

 

 

Part II: On the Subject of Who's Scum

 

The main wagon at the moment is Cloud. I'm starting to like the idea of lynching him to test his alignment, though I'd prefer to lynch somebody that I think is scum, since as stated above we can't afford many more mislynches, if any. I haven't been able to follow the argument for Cloud's being scum, unless it's something to do with him and Mish on day one. Ishy seems to have forgotten about Mish for now, though, so it can't be that. I'd be willing to lynch Cloud for consolidation, but it all feels way too easy.

oh i'll be getting to Mish here soon. shes 2nd on my list for scummersons. though all this cult crap has you moving up there buddy.

 

the rest of the post i'm reserving response to until i get caught up on the game

 

 

 

Ithi -

 

I am interested as to why Tress only unvoted and did not then vote Cloud - am also wondering why Red is not backing up her alleged Mason Buddy on the Cloud vote. Is he at L-1 now?

because tbh at the poitn i'm at in my reading, Clouds interaction reads as either scum that got drawn in my Mynds net or a townie reacting badly to pressure and mega defensive. as i told Ishy on the QT, becuase it was Mynd doign the pressure, the reasons for the D1 pressure were normal Mynd fishing, and Cloud is a newish player that hasn't played with Mynd then i was waiting for more interaction. and Cloud only posted maybe 5 or 6 times D1 so it wasn't much to go off of.

 

Ishy hadn't given me much more on the QT than he posted here concerning Cloud still, i intended to move my vote to Cloud to avoid a random which is why i posted the thing about vote subject to change but thought id have more time to pressure Turin and get some info on him as i'm convinced he's scum and hes skated through 20 pages in this game without any pressure at all.

 

 

Mish -

 

@Red and her case on Turin... I gotta say Red, I've never understood your thing about casing before you've read through the whole game. It just makes for confusion. I'm not trying to point fingers at you now or saying you're suspicious because of it, it's just the scond time I've seen you do it and it retracts from the actual situation here and now and makes for a messy game.

and yet the fact i'm behind doesn't detract away from the points i brought up. amazing how you focus on that instead of what i addressed.

 

i only posted my case on Turin now instead of waiting becuase post #365 was over the top scummy, and combined with everything else on Turin and that he didn't have any pressure on him from the points i posted and it was too much to take.

 

tell me, have the points i brought up abotu Turin been addressed and argued over? if not then whats the point of your post other than to defend Turin and take a pre-emptive strike against the case i have started on you; since i have listed you on my short list on thread.

 

 

Ithi -

 

Perhaps Im not being clear. On Monday 8th January, you said that you said this thing over the weekend - but you were already dead in that game during the weekend. Over THE weekend, means the weekend that has just gone. You were not plotting to kill someone in the Basel Game over THE weekend, because you were dead there. I think you were talking about this game.

people have had lesser fruedian slips in these games. its pausable catch there Ithi

 

 

Mish -

 

 

I don't care that the post was by Kaylee; it's got nothing to do with defending her. It's like why I pointed out Red's posting before she was done with the readthrough: It wasn't to defend Turin, but because it's about people posting stuff that's irrelevant to the game and where it's at, and creates confusion and distracts from the actual game.

and me pointing out the stuff i did has no barring on me not being caught up since the stuff hasn't been addressed. and since when is posting a case abotu a live player in any game irrelevant when the casing is doen on in game info? tell me that one.

 

if your goign to dismiss my case on Turin because i'm not caught up then you better pray that 100% of the points i brought up have been previously discussed or else you ARE infact defending him and not just making a point.

 

 

you know, i may not be fully caught up, btu i dont have to be to knw that you BLATANTLY defending Cloud at the start of this game and then Len picking up on it with post #34 and playing off of it needs more pressure now that Cloud flipped scum. something which went entirely un pressured on D1 and needs more pressure come morning. and you bet your bottom dollar there will be pressure on that and other things.

 

and you want to harp on Ithi for using outside game stuff how about post #46 from you

 

"I thought it was his first game, sorry. And he's my mintee so I'm a bit protective :tongue:" becuase people were FoSing you over the protecting Cloud.

 

also, amazing how when the entire fiasco started up D1 about you being protective you faded off into lurkerdom and then this gem from post #206

 

Not liking Mynd's eagerness to sacrifice himself like that. It would get us zero information and just make us loose a strong player.

 

down playing the info off of Mynds lynch, you got called out on it, but you got zero pressure over it D1.

 

 

and me not being caught up does nothing to lessen the scumminess of your playing here or to lessen my points deary. if i surive the night, you and turing are my focus and i'd love to see dueling wagons on you two. D1 & d2 info alone gives me solid cases on the both of you, i literally cannot wait to find what else you two have said to expose your scumminess's in the remaining pages.

[Basel Gill]

DNS=and. Flipping autocorrect.

 

I had been about to post and ask you what you meant by DNS, till I scrolled down a bit.

 

Perhaps Im not being clear. On Monday 8th January, you said that you said this thing over the weekend - but you were already dead in that game during the weekend. Over THE weekend, means the weekend that has just gone. You were not plotting to kill someone in the Basel Game over THE weekend, because you were dead there. I think you were talking about this game.

 

I'd been wondering where you were going with the bit about using stuff from outside the game. This is an interesting catch and it bears watching. Kaylee needs to be checked out more.

 

I've already checked her out quite a bit. :wink: :leer:

[michellem]

Mish -

 

 

 

I don't care that the post was by Kaylee; it's got nothing to do with defending her. It's like why I pointed out Red's posting before she was done with the readthrough: It wasn't to defend Turin, but because it's about people posting stuff that's irrelevant to the game and where it's at, and creates confusion and distracts from the actual game.

and me pointing out the stuff i did has no barring on me not being caught up since the stuff hasn't been addressed. and since when is posting a case abotu a live player in any game irrelevant when the casing is doen on in game info? tell me that one.

 

if your goign to dismiss my case on Turin because i'm not caught up then you better pray that 100% of the points i brought up have been previously discussed or else you ARE infact defending him and not just making a point.

 

 

you know, i may not be fully caught up, btu i dont have to be to knw that you BLATANTLY defending Cloud at the start of this game and then Len picking up on it with post #34 and playing off of it needs more pressure now that Cloud flipped scum. something which went entirely un pressured on D1 and needs more pressure come morning. and you bet your bottom dollar there will be pressure on that and other things.

 

and you want to harp on Ithi for using outside game stuff how about post #46 from you

 

"I thought it was his first game, sorry. And he's my mintee so I'm a bit protective :tongue:" becuase people were FoSing you over the protecting Cloud.

 

also, amazing how when the entire fiasco started up D1 about you being protective you faded off into lurkerdom and then this gem from post #206

 

>Not liking Mynd's eagerness to sacrifice himself like that. It would get us zero information and just make us loose a strong player.

down playing the info off of Mynds lynch, you got called out on it, but you got zero pressure over it D1.

 

 

and me not being caught up does nothing to lessen the scumminess of your playing here or to lessen my points deary. if i surive the night, you and turing are my focus and i'd love to see dueling wagons on you two. D1 & d2 info alone gives me solid cases on the both of you, i literally cannot wait to find what else you two have said to expose your scumminess's in the remaining pages.

 

 

The part you bolded, that was about Ithi's posts about Kaylee, I have just bolded and blue'd what in that post was relevant about your posts.

 

I trust Turin so far because I trust BG. Unless we actually see that someone has been turned, or recruited, then I'm gonna trust people 90% about claims, just like I always do. The possibility about recruitment is there, I'm aware of it, but until I see it, I'm actually gonna be stupid enough to trust the claims that's been made.

 

 

And feel free to put togethe a case on me. It's a complete waste of effort though, I am town.

 

Also, I don't like the way you call me "deary", I find it demeaning and bordering on personal insult.

[John E. Kelley]

It's just Red's way Mish, it isn't personal.

[michellem]

Yes well now I've said that I feel uncomfortable with it so maybe she'll show me the respect of not doing it with me.

[John E. Kelley]

I'm sure she will, Red's a sweetheart believe it or not.

[John E. Kelley]

Just waiting on your NK to be sent in Panda.......

 

[Turin Turambar]

Red. You are so wrong about me it is hilarious. However, since you have worked so hard to make your "case" on me I will reveal all in the morning if I survive. If I don't then you will see from my coroner report that I am indeed the most town person in the game and that I had good reason to believe there is recruiting in the game.

 

One teaser for suspense...

  

I am one of 3 named players at the start of the game. Darthe would kill me if I gave my name but the other two you can most likely guess. Van Helsing and Dracula.

So now which one of you is goon #3? Peasant #5?

 

 

I am now going to crack open my copy of aMoL. See you in the morning. I hope.

 

 

 

 

 

[John E. Kelley]

Final Vote Count

 

Basel (3/8): BG, Kae, Mynd

 

Ithi (1/8): Pandy

 

Lenlo (8/8): Ithi, Mish, Cloud, kaylee, Tress, Turin, Ishy, Basel

 

Cloud (1/8): Len

 

Not Voting (1/14):

 

JLM,

 

 

That's a lynch! 

 

Didn't even notice that you had these linked Darthe, thanks.

 

Here it is everyone. Panda nowhere near Len's lynch, just as he was nowhere near Cloud's. Very interesting. Instead he votes for Ithi on Day three and me on Day four. I have no more doubts nor should any of you.

[Red2111]

Turin - DM isn't allowing me to open spoiler tags.  i hope you enjoy MoL and i do hope that spoiler had nothing to do with the new book.  either way, i'd like to be enjoying my copy but bubba has claimed ownership until he finishes

 

 

Mish - 

 

The part you bolded, that was about Ithi's posts about Kaylee, I have just bolded and blue'd what in that post was relevant about your posts.

 

I trust Turin so far because I trust BG. Unless we actually see that someone has been turned, or recruited, then I'm gonna trust people 90% about claims, just like I always do. The possibility about recruitment is there, I'm aware of it, but until I see it, I'm actually gonna be stupid enough to trust the claims that's been made.

 

 

And feel free to put togethe a case on me. It's a complete waste of effort though, I am town.

 

Also, I don't like the way you call me "deary", I find it demeaning and bordering on personal insult.

 

wow, look at that, you ignored all of my points against you.  gee you sure aren't straying far from Turins lead are you.  

 

and get off the fence about the recruit thing Mish.  either you trust Turin and believe Turins nonsense about recruitment in the game and by defect are wary of claims; or you trust peoples claims and dont trust peoples claims.  

 

and your aware of recruitment, how so exactly.  and unless you see it?!  recruitment happens behind the scenes.  you're talking out of both sides of your mouth on this (ie: fence sitting)  i dont like fence sitters.

 

i've already put together a small case.  just a word of advice, i'm like a bad cold, ignore me and i get worse.  

 

re-deary.  i'm sorry you feel that way and i meant it as no insult, but i wont call you it from now on. 

 

 

Ishy - 

 

I'm sure she will, Red's a sweetheart believe it or not.

 

outside of Mafia, yes.    in the game, i'm a cut throat bitch that likes to win.

 

my short list

 

Turin

Mish

Pandy

 

 

we can do a 3 way bandwagon tomorrow

[Kaylee]

You are voting him just because Ishy asked you to? Interesting. So it will be Ishy's fault if he flips Town and you haven't actually had to give a reason for voting again.

 

Okey Dokey.

 

I will end the suspense for us all ... but everyone is buying Kaylee's explanation of her Plotting Post and letting Tress slide on bandwaggoning votes. Things to ponder there I think.

 

 

Plus I like it when Smiley Spams. And Darthe has just given us extra time so is funny that we won't actually use it.

 

Unvote - Vote Cloud again

Bold: Because it's true. I wouldn't post about an ongoing game outside of the game. Never have, never will. That's all I'm going to say about that.

 

 

Ithi I gotta admit I think your argument on Kay is weaksauce, and I really don't understand what it has to do with this game at all honestly. What happens in mafia stays in mafia, and what happens outside shouldn't affect mafia.

 

she's trying to use a post Kaylee made in a thread in the BT, but I don't think Kaylee would have put info out about an ongoing game

^This. I don't talk about on going games. I was simply having fun on a thread I created to be fun. I felt it was ok to use the quote since I was already dead and there had been a cornor showing I was mafia.

[Kaylee]

Ithi, or anyone else believing it: If you think I'm scum then case me and back it up with a vote. If all you have is the above, I've said all I have to say on that.

 

I am town.