[Advanced] Hobbit Mafia Town Wins!

[peacesells]

You two wanna get your stories straight?

[Turin Turambar]

I was trying to defend her without forcing the reveal. She ninja'd me both here and on our QT. It is as Mish says. She targeted Dice N1 and then Roo N2. This is why I was fairly certain I was not blocked on Night 1 as I was not the one to put in the request for masonizing. If you look at our history it has been fairly obvious, even maybe too obvious that we have supported each other thruout the game.

 

I have a question for you Peace. When Rand gave the extra time D 1 you stated that you would vote for whomever had the most votes. According to the official VC that was Starrik. Yet you voted Dice immediately. Can you tell me why?

 

That said I agree that Lenlo is most likely a mafia watcher. Just as Despo was a role cop. It looks like the mafia will have investigtive roles also.

 

[Turin Turambar]

vote Lenlo

[michellem]

I would like to know what your role is, Len.

[peacesells]

UNVOTE.

 

I figured that's what happened..but thought it was funny.

 

Ok..about your question.  If I remember correctly there hadn't been an official vote count for ages.  If you go back you'll see I was practically begging for one and Rand was seriously slacking.  At that point I didn't have a scummy feel for anyone particularly and was just willing to vote to avoid a random.  It turns out that was unnecessary as Rand gave alignment anyway.

[Turin Turambar]

I did go back and look before. There are three posts in a row. One is you asking for a VC. the next one is Rand providing a VCthat shows Starrik as the vote leader. the third one is you voting Dice. It appears there was time between your two posts to see what Rand had posted.

 

My multiquote and formatting buttons haven't worked on my computer since the attack on DM happened So I can't get quotes very easily.

 

 

[michellem]

Try clearing your cache, Turin. And restarting your browser.

[Basel Gill]

 

I think Mish is likely an RB. The other possibilites that come to my mind are poisoner and doc. Neither one of these makes sense to me, because Dice is still alive and hasn't been posioned, and if she were the Doc I don't see why she would protect Dice N1. Protecting Roo once she knew he is the cop makes sense, but not the Dice visit.

 

Vote Mish.

This makes little sense to me. If she were a RB why visit Dice who had claimed vanilla on Day one? obviously she isn't the poisoner as Dice hasn't been poisoned. It appears that Darthe 1.0 was the N1 poison victim. Why would she not protect Dice Night one? She believed him town. As I said I was going to try to vet him during the night, mafia could want to have him dead come Day 2 in order to prevent me from being able to confirm myself through confirming him. I hope you guys haven't outted the doc in your overeagerness.

 

I am less than convinced of the validity of this case. Partly because the three that have been most vocal in it are all on my suspicious list. Len, since you are claiming tracker could you give us a character claim as well?

Green: You're making no sense here, Turin. I argued against her being the poisoner in my post. So how do you expect to go against my case by saying that she can't be the poisoner? When I argue against someone, I don't make the exact same points that they do.

Blue: If she were the doc, why would she protect a claimed vanilla instead of herself? Self-protecting N1 would be a no-brainer here.

Purple: Since I was arguing against Mish being the doc, how does that out the doc? We still don't know who the doc is, and there's nothing here pushing the doc to come forward. So thinking we've outted the doc is pretty far-fetched.

[Basel Gill]

And unvote. I voted Mish to make some pressure in hopes of getting an explanation, and she has given one.

[Turin Turambar]

For those interested in those posts they are #374-377. There was actually a fourth post in there of Rand explaining why he wasn't able to provide a VC

[michellem]

Yeah so that you can figure out wether to NK me or not?

[beanie]

At school right now but I'll post thoughts when I get home.

[Lenlo]

I watched you twice because I wanted to know if you were a poisoner or not. After all if two people you visit two nights in a row die then that would be abit more than coincidence no? Also why would I, if I was a mafia watcher, come out of a pretty good spot to point such a big finger at someone who  I dont even know what they do?

 

To answer your questions im Bofur. One of the Dwarves.

[peacesells]

I did go back and look before. There are three posts in a row. One is you asking for a VC. the next one is Rand providing a VCthat shows Starrik as the vote leader. the third one is you voting Dice. It appears there was time between your two posts to see what Rand had posted. My multiquote and formatting buttons haven't worked on my computer since the attack on DM happened So I can't get quotes very easily.

 

Well..I guess you got me there.  There were 2 trains.  Dice had 4 and Starrick had 5.  Do you think I was protecting my scummate Starrick? (sarcasm) Considering he flipped town your reasoning is lacking.

 

It's been awhile..not exactly sure why I favored Dice over Starrick.  Like I said.  I had no real scum reads on anyone that day. 

[peacesells]

Ok..I'm hating DM right now.  Posts don't follow through. I that to input a stoopid word every time I visit.  Very frustrating.

[Turin Turambar]

Lenlo, I am of the opinion that Despo viewed Mish N1. unfortunately for him he was viewed and thus Lynched quickly day two. So anyone on his team would know that Mish was a masonizer. or would wonder if the view got redirected onto me. You were the one asking me about my role and if I was sharing powers even tho there was no evidence of it and I had specifically stated that I was the masonizer. You following Despo who has flipped Mafia is part of what is causing me to doubt you.

 

You have claimed a Dwarf so I will give you the benefit of the doubt until there should be a CC. I still don't think I trust you very much tho

 

Unvote vote Basel 

[Basel Gill]

Lenlo, I am of the opinion that Despo viewed Mish N1. unfortunately for him he was viewed and thus Lynched quickly day two. So anyone on his team would know that Mish was a masonizer. or would wonder if the view got redirected onto me. You were the one asking me about my role and if I was sharing powers even tho there was no evidence of it and I had specifically stated that I was the masonizer. You following Despo who has flipped Mafia is part of what is causing me to doubt you.

 

You have claimed a Dwarf so I will give you the benefit of the doubt until there should be a CC. I still don't think I trust you very much tho

 

Unvote vote Basel 

Nice way to completely skip past my reply to you, Turin. I'm not willing to be so trusting of Len. His story doesn't work as well as Mish's. Vote Len.

[Turin Turambar]

Basel, did you notice that Mish has already stated that she is the masonizer and my partner. That made my entire arguement about what her role was moot. The whole "voting for pressure" thing doesn't sit well for me either. Finally the voting a claimed dwarf is against what I stated from day 1. I know that Mish is telling the truth because she is my mason partner. I doubt Lenlo because he had been following Despo IMO. I will be surprised if he doesn't get CC'd but will follow my convictions with regard to giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

I think that your current doggedness to vote him is just distancing on your part. I think that we will find out about you and/or him soon enough.

[RandA lThor]

Official Vote Count:

 

Lenlo(2): Mish, Basel

 

Basel(1): Turin

Not Voting (15): Tress, Peace, BG, LZM, Roo, Pank, Falcon, BB, Kae, Amega, TG, Cyan, Starrik, Lenlo, Dice

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

[Turin Turambar]

Peace, I just don't like when people say they are going to do something and then do something else. tbh I can't think of any reason that you would prefer Dice over Starrik D1. Unless you thought he was claiming vanilla trying to hide a power role. But that takes a lot of stretching so I am less likely to think that.

[Basel Gill]

Basel, did you notice that Mish has already stated that she is the masonizer and my partner. That made my entire arguement about what her role was moot. The whole "voting for pressure" thing doesn't sit well for me either. Finally the voting a claimed dwarf is against what I stated from day 1. I know that Mish is telling the truth because she is my mason partner. I doubt Lenlo because he had been following Despo IMO. I will be surprised if he doesn't get CC'd but will follow my convictions with regard to giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

I think that your current doggedness to vote him is just distancing on your part. I think that we will find out about you and/or him soon enough.

 

Funny that you should talk about things being made moot, while you are still casting me as being suspicious of Mish after I unvoted her and admitted that her story works. Her story fits yours too perfectly for her to be lying, and I've had you as town for a while now. If you're going to bring up things being made moot, why don't you include what you have to say about my suspicion of her?

[Basel Gill]

Basel, did you notice that Mish has already stated that she is the masonizer and my partner. That made my entire arguement about what her role was moot. The whole "voting for pressure" thing doesn't sit well for me either. Finally the voting a claimed dwarf is against what I stated from day 1. I know that Mish is telling the truth because she is my mason partner. I doubt Lenlo because he had been following Despo IMO. I will be surprised if he doesn't get CC'd but will follow my convictions with regard to giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

I think that your current doggedness to vote him is just distancing on your part. I think that we will find out about you and/or him soon enough.

 

Funny that you should talk about things being made moot, while you are still casting me as being suspicious of Mish after I unvoted her and admitted that her story works. Her story fits yours too perfectly for her to be lying, and I've had you as town for a while now. If you're going to bring up things being made moot, why don't you include what you have to say about my suspicion of her, which I've since dropped? Cause otherwise, you're the pot and I'm the kettle.

[DPR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shcI6vE-PlE

[Starrik]

unvote vote Lenlo

Lenlo has been pinging me hard, and I am willing to expect Mish and Turin's role claim, particularly as Rand added the masoniser role to the OP. Dice hasn't said enough to get a read on him.

[Turin Turambar]

Wow, DPR sighting.

 

Basel, I am not just suspicious of you for your vote on Mish today. I said that my defense of Mish was moot cause it was part of a ploy to keep her hidden. Therefore I was not going to try to defend what I said as I had already admitted it was a sham. That does not mean that I need to clear you because you backed off in the light of overwhelming evidence.

 

Why are you so worried about my single vote?