[Advanced] Hobbit Mafia Town Wins!

[Starrik]

Turin, soft claiming is a pretty weak way to try and deflect attention. Chances are, mafia would pick up on it quicker than town, and you're gone.

[hazelkrs1]

Len, major FoS for wanting to lynch Dice, also FoS on Des for being ok with the lynch. I don't want a random lynch either, but the way you worded your post Len... Major, major pings. I think it's really stupid to lynch one of the dwarfs.

 

Also, I have no idea what happened to the time, if Rand extended it, because now it's 3 hours left oO

 

So you KNOW Dice is one of the Dwarves? Even tho he just claimed it, and we otherwise have no way of knowing if he was telling the truth or not? Yeah, THIS is a major ping from you Mish. Either you're scum trying to defend a teammate, or scum trying to defend a townie to look more town yourself. Yeah, you just vaulted up my list.

 

Also, you clearly state in your post that the deadline is 3 hours away, yet a couple of posts later you throw your vote on someone with pretty much no chance of getting a lynch secured on

 

Just read thru again and the two I would prefer to vote are Lenlo and Basel. Basel for his injecting motive into Panchi's odd vote. It looked like an easy shot at a new player. But basel is gone so he won't be able to respond. Lenlo for his pushing a dwarf lynch. The party is definitely in the game and town. So with no cc Dice is town. Rather not lynch town.

 

The other option could be to lynch one of the total inactives like Player. I don't think he has made a content post the entire game.

 

In fact since I am still here unvote. vote Lenlo

 

I agree that all the dwarves, plus Gandalf and Bilbo at least, are all in the game. But moving past the point about how the mod stated in his own rules that character claiming wouldn't be that effective, you're also ignoring the fact that we may have not seen a CC yet because there are a lot of people that def aren't following this thread closely, it being the holidays and everything. So you saying there not being a CC vets Dice is just wrong.

 

I agree with you Turin. unvote vote Lenlo

 

Here's where you cast your vote on someone who had a max of like 2 votes on him at the time, even tho you had acknowledged there was less than 3 hours left (you ended up being wrong, and that the deadline had passed, but the point still stands). Extremely anti-town.

 

We need a lynch. Deadline this close to Thanksgiving is kinda nuts but you guys aren't playing with your heads right now. Townies need to vote Dice.

 

Slight ping for pushing a quick lynch on a claimed vanilla. No suggestions for a better option?

 

Just read thru again and the two I would prefer to vote are Lenlo and Basel. Basel for his injecting motive into Panchi's odd vote. It looked like an easy shot at a new player. But basel is gone so he won't be able to respond. Lenlo for his pushing a dwarf lynch. The party is definitely in the game and town. So with no cc Dice is town. Rather not lynch town.

 

The other option could be to lynch one of the total inactives like Player. I don't think he has made a content post the entire game.

 

In fact since I am still here unvote. vote Lenlo

 

I prefer the idea of inactives who haven't made content posts.

 

Len, major FoS for wanting to lynch Dice, also FoS on Des for being ok with the lynch. I don't want a random lynch either, but the way you worded your post Len... Major, major pings. I think it's really stupid to lynch one of the dwarfs.

 

Also, I have no idea what happened to the time, if Rand extended it, because now it's 3 hours left oO

 

So if you agree or disagree with the Dice lynch it is scummy either way?

 

If Rand is willing to extend the deadline:

After a quick reread vote BG. So far the only thing I've seen from BG is lurking and waiting until the Starrick train had gotten rolling and then jumping on to the train. Then he made a few non-game related posts about formatting.

 

3 very scummy things about this post:

 

1. You fos Wombat for pushing a quick lynch on a claimed vanilla. Eh? Wombat was warning of an impending deadline, and town risking lynching a vanilla claim is a lot better than risking a claimed power role. Your fos makes no sense.

2. Pushing lynching inactives early in a game. I never like this, but especially in a game that started close to thanksgiving, it had to be expected that there would be some inactives.

3. Throwing out a vote for someone who pretty much no one had talked about at all, even tho you acknowledge the deadline yourself. Even if Rand extended the deadline, I doubt it would be more than a day, and that would still be tough to secure a lynch on someone like BG in time.

 

Yeah, but the Lenlo and Wombat posts both pinged and made sense at the same time. Yes, we do not want to lynch a claimed townie but yes we want to achieve a lynch. I'll change my vote if I see a compelling case.

 

We don't want to lynch a claimed townie... so that means all scum has to do is claim townie and then you'll never vote them?

 

 

epic logic fail

 

Bah guyyyyyyys you let it go random! <.<

 

Despo you should have just moved your vote to me. It wouldn't have made a difference since everyone else decided to make it go random anyways I'm not mad, just annoyed that the person who we could have lynched to avoid a random could actually be someone important. As it is now we have nothing.

 

And you used ... in your post too lol.

 

The ellipse was put in there purposefully for irony's sake.

 

And btw, what's up with you constantly pushing the martyr angle?

 

13 it is. I was just watching some of the behind the scenes blog stuff when I realised that. The number is less important than the fact that I am very confident that all the dwarves will be town.

 

As far as using them for hints goes, I have heard mods say that everytime there is a themed game and most of the time it is smoke. The Wizard's First Rule. When I see a dwarf on the mafia team then I will reconsider my position.

 

What I KNOW is that from my role and character my logic is sound. You can believe or not. But I would rather lynch Lenlo who has been argumentative until he recently went silent instead of Dice today.

 

So Wombat, you have an alternative to Dice?

 

Len, my quoting was in response to Wombat quoting the rule in front of it. Interesting that you didn't seem to care how he quoted rules.

 

I am merely stating why in my opinion it is better to not lynch dwarves immediately. That you and some others seem to think that it is distracting is also interesting. I am more convinced you are mafia now.

 

Also I am a dwarf, and I believe that my role can vet Dice. No I am not a cop. I would prefer not to give more information as it will be critical to the process.

 

*forehead slap*

 

Turin Turin Turin... dude, how many times does it need to be said that role hinting is dumb and bad for town? Also, I forgot to mention this before, but your comment about not liking when people tell others how to vote... I think you just get your back up for no reason when you see that kind of thing, and that stubborness can often hurt town. Mafia are rarely going to come out and hamhand everyone and try bullying peeps into voting a certain way, so your paranoia about that seems misplaced.

 

As for the role hinting, I think you could take a hint from this guy:

 

 

Seriously.

 

(anyone see that guy do standup btw? He's pretty funny )

[dicetosser1]

pointing it out like that makes it certain that people will pick up on it starrik.

 

I was always sus of wombat turin just more so of Despo.

 

 

@des whats the matter? did i pick up a tell on your teammate?

[peacesells]

would love a vote count and a hard deadline.

[hazelkrs1]

Turin, my top two suspects right now are Dice and you. I have not stopped looking at Starrik, but I am willing to give him a reprieve for now. I don't know how much time we have but I do know that if we don't achieve a lynch, our chances of winning drop dramatically.

 

We need to reach a lynch if we can. How about we lynch Lenlo? Starrik has not been cc'ed. We will fnd out most likely if there is a poisoner out there or not. Maybe we even find out if Starrik is what he claims.

 

That your top 2 candidates for lynch today are both claiming characters that we expect will be in the game and will be town is something that raises my eyebrows. I already had suspicions on you but no one else seemed interested so I switched to Lenlo. I still think he is the best option for today.

 

Despo, you can say that it is a stretch if you like. I know what my role PM says and in my opinion I am confident the dwarves will be town. Might there be some sort of exception? yes. But I think the vast majority of the dwarves in the game will be proven to be town. The fact that I may have a way to verify this and you are ignoring that is troubling. As for Dice and the setup talk, wasn't all he said that he hoped there would be no cult because he had recently had a bad experience. It seems that you are blowing his involvement in that situation out of proportion.

 

I agree that the dwarves will almost surely be town, unless there is some kind of recruiting factor of course, but that doesn't mean a claimed dwarf is a confirmed dwarf.

 

And you're still role hinting. STOP IT. Claim or just zip it, all you're doing is attracting attention for the NK. Without a claim the Doc may not protect you, and if you have some sort of investigative role that would be a huge loss for town.

[hazelkrs1]

would love a vote count and a hard deadline.

 

Tbh, I wouldn't even mind a limp flaccid deadline at this point

 

[peacesells]

would love a vote count and a hard deadline.

 

Tbh, I wouldn't even mind a limp flaccid deadline at this point

 

 

We've had two of those already.

[hazelkrs1]

would love a vote count and a hard deadline.

 

Tbh, I wouldn't even mind a limp flaccid deadline at this point

 

 

We've had two of those already.

 

Lol touche. Anyhoo, who would you vote for at this juncture, assuming we got a hard deadline?

[peacesells]

whoever has the most votes.

[Turin Turambar]

Turin, soft claiming is a pretty weak way to try and deflect attention. Chances are, mafia would pick up on it quicker than town, and you're gone.

 

There was NO WAY that everyone would not pick up on what I said. I was plain in my statement. I am a dwarf. I have a role. I believe I can verify if Dice is town or not. It is important that I not tell everyone how or it will not work. In my opinion it is not a soft claim. it is a partial claim for a reason.

 

Despo. I am not going to completely reveal today or tonight. You will know about me in the morning one way or the other. The doc will not have to protect me. If I am killed during the night my effect will still take place. Now I would rather not be killed but if the doc believes that Starrik is really a poison doc that is probably more important than me. As far as cc's go, we haven't had one yet. If one shows up later then we can act upon it. Who else you wanna lynch Des?

[Lenlo]

I agree Despo. Turin and Mish have jumped to the top of my list as I said before. I would be very happy with a Mish lynch tomorrow.

[Lenlo]

Turin, soft claiming is a pretty weak way to try and deflect attention. Chances are, mafia would pick up on it quicker than town, and you're gone.

 

There was NO WAY that everyone would not pick up on what I said. I was plain in my statement. I am a dwarf. I have a role. I believe I can verify if Dice is town or not. It is important that I not tell everyone how or it will not work. In my opinion it is not a soft claim. it is a partial claim for a reason.

 

Despo. I am not going to completely reveal today or tonight. You will know about me in the morning one way or the other. The doc will not have to protect me. If I am killed during the night my effect will still take place. Now I would rather not be killed but if the doc believes that Starrik is really a poison doc that is probably more important than me. As far as cc's go, we haven't had one yet. If one shows up later then we can act upon it. Who else you wanna lynch Des?

1. You are soft claiming. You are saying you are a Dwarf and you have a power role but not telling us who or what. Soft claiming at its finest.

 

2. If you actually have an ability be careful how you use it. Screw it up and town will be deep in the trenchs.

 

3. Your not the only Dwarf in the game buddy. 12 others out there.

[hazelkrs1]

Turin, soft claiming is a pretty weak way to try and deflect attention. Chances are, mafia would pick up on it quicker than town, and you're gone.

 

There was NO WAY that everyone would not pick up on what I said. I was plain in my statement. I am a dwarf. I have a role. I believe I can verify if Dice is town or not. It is important that I not tell everyone how or it will not work. In my opinion it is not a soft claim. it is a partial claim for a reason.

 

Despo. I am not going to completely reveal today or tonight. You will know about me in the morning one way or the other. The doc will not have to protect me. If I am killed during the night my effect will still take place. Now I would rather not be killed but if the doc believes that Starrik is really a poison doc that is probably more important than me. As far as cc's go, we haven't had one yet. If one shows up later then we can act upon it. Who else you wanna lynch Des?

 

Fair enough Turin. I still wish you hadn't said anything at all, but if town can profit from your role whether or not doc protects you, then that makes it a little easier on the Doc.

 

As for other lynch candidates, Darthe and TG seem like excellent candidates to me, as well as Mish. Darthe came out with the most blatant setup talk, defended it, then later said the setup talk discussion was for "reactions". Then he kept linking me with multiple players, and saying he would make a case on me but still has yet to follow through on that. I also didn't like his vote on Basel, it seemed like a really weak reason to vote for someone. TG followed Darthe's lead, went along with Darthe when he voted Starrik (and I thought Darthe's reasoning on Starrik was weak as well), and had an awful vote on BG even tho he acknowledged the deadline being upon us. Mish apparently KNOWS Dice is town, which pings to me obviously.

 

That being said, I still think Dice is the way to go today. There's too much evidence against him, the character claim doesn't clear him in my book like it does for you apparently, and he'd be a good info lynch because of the reactions to his lynch. And if you want I can pull up all those quotes of him embroiled in setup talk earlier

[hazelkrs1]

the only thing regarding setup i have to say Death to Cult! god i hope this isnt a cult game.

 

ok so lets see the 2 qlders havent turned up yet so im gonna keep my vote where it is. If they dont turn up soon i will make a real one

 

as for cult simple some of us have just had a bad experience with Cult.

 

 

as for cult here http://wiki.mafiascu....php?title=Cult

 

I'll actually be honest, I thought his setup talk was a bit more flagrant than that. However, the first post also contains the bit that Wombat mentioned about Dice waiting to start "really" playing, I thought that was a good catch. Anyhoo, I still think Dice would be our best chance at securing a lynch today, and it would be informative as well. But depending on how much time Rand gives us, I could switch to someone else as long as we could still reach a consensus.

 

Gollum as an SK could be a possibility, I think. I don't see him as being mafia so much, tho I think I'm influenced by LOTR in that.

 

Found this when I was fetching Dice's quotes. Pretty blatant setup talk as well, but more importantly I realized Kae hadn't posted in quite a while. In fact, there are a few mafia vets that are in this game that haven't contributed in quite a while. Basel already said he'd be gone, but BG, Kae, Player, Amega, and LZM all strike me as vets that could be laying low while the deadline was getting closer, and of those LZM and Player have contributed the least; LZM spammed a lot but never really contributed anything, and Player and Amega have 5 posts combined between the two of them

 

So right now my scum list is Dice, Darthe, TG, Mish, and I think we need some mod poking or something for all those inactives

[hazelkrs1]

Starting audit now, will bbl

[Turin Turambar]

Lots of dwarves out there Len. A full dozen aside from me.

 

About my role you will have to trust me and my thoughts of how to play it.

 

Des, I don't know Dice is town because of his claim. I do think it is a very risky fake claim as it is nearly certain to be in game and therefore cc'd. The fact that I think I can determine his true alignment is the other reason I would rather not lynch him today. If I was wrong then he can be insta lynched tomorrow.

 

Of your other candidates I would be most likely to see TG as not town. the holiday weekend has caused a great deal of inactivity imo as BG Kae are known for being scarce on all weekends, but some prodding of inactives will likely be needed.

 

Nearly time for sleep for me.

[Starrik]

pointing it out like that makes it certain that people will pick up on it starrik.

 

I was always sus of wombat turin just more so of Despo.

 

 

@des whats the matter? did i pick up a tell on your teammate?

By this point, he'd yet again soft-claimed, and did it in a much more obvious way, so meh. Turin I don't get what you mean. Anyone who has the internet (everyone playing this game) could easily google the names of the dwarves in the hobbit. We don't necessarily have all of them either. Probably do, not definitely. Besides, one of the dwarves might be his alias. Just throwing things out, not a real case here.

I'm still not too keen on what you're saying, but unvote for the power claim. Lenlo and Mish are high on my list, I would be happy to vote either at the moment.

[hazelkrs1]

pointing it out like that makes it certain that people will pick up on it starrik.

 

I was always sus of wombat turin just more so of Despo.

 

 

@des whats the matter? did i pick up a tell on your teammate?

 

Didn't see this post before. Thanks for quoting it Starrik.

 

Dice, I'm not even sure Starrik was the first to point out the soft claim, but either way it's kind of silly to say that pointing out a role hint or something like that is bad. Not everyone on the mafia team has to notice a role hint, just one and they can share it with the others. To assume that the mafia team might miss a role hint like that is just naive.

 

As for that last bit, I assume you're referring to Wombat? You're not completely new, but you're still relatively new compared to most of us. Either way, you yourself made it seem like you don't really know what Wombat's normal meta is like, yet you still felt like you should comment on it. I just don't think it's someone's place to comment on someone else's meta unless they are truly qualified to do so, otherwise they're trumping up a bs case that others might bandwagon along with.

 

Personally I don't really find Wombat to be off his meta. He was inactive for a little while, and I think replaced out of a game a while back, but normally he's pretty active, and his short terse answers fit with his meta.

[dicetosser1]

was there some reason u had to repeat yourself des? As i also said i noticed it and bought it to the attention of those who might know him and his meta well enough to comment on. However considering i think you and he are teammates i am not going to take your word for it.

 

 

as for starrik i agree the mafia dont usually miss things like that however what i have noticed for a while now is that whenever people DO make those soft claims that people always complain about someone ALWAYS quotes it and brings it to everyones attention thus eliminating even the small chance that the mafia missed it. There is always a chance that the mafia miss something it might be small but it does exist.....until someone points it out

[hazelkrs1]

... I think I might have to keep repeating myself Dice cause apparently you aren't getting it. Being that I DON'T consider you qualified to judge whether or not Wombat was on his meta or not, I think you shouldn't have brought that up at all. Leave meta talk for people who know how to use it. You're simply trying to trump up suspicion on him based on weak stuff, prob cause he was one of the earliest people to point out odd behavior of yours.

 

And no, Wombat and I are not teammates. For you to think that I would defend a teammate day 1 shows you know nothing about my meta either. I've said it before, I'll prob have to say it again, when I'm mafia I bus first and ask questions later. Nice attempt at linking tho.

 

Re the soft claim stuff, I really don't even think there's a small chance mafia teams will miss soft claims. Mafia's two biggest priorities should always be to sow as much wifom as possible, and to try and ferret out town power roles to prioritize NK's. For you to assume they would miss something as obvious as what Turin did is silly.

 

And in the meantime, its MUCH more likely that the Doc might miss a soft claim or role hint, and if they do they will miss the chance to block a mafia kill. So raising awareness of role hints and such seems much more like townie behavior than anti town IMO.

[dapianoplay3r]

Im really sorry for not being here to play the game. Ive asked to be replaced but tomorrow I may quit my job and if I do ill stay and have heaps of time to play

I havent read this thread at all since about page 7 or something so i have nothing useful to add

 

Once again im sorry. Ive never had to drop out of a game before and im really sorry. I just got landed with a shitty job that is taking up so much more time than it's worth. Ill be back tomorrow with an update.

 

Please dont judge this inactivity as a play style. It's not and it's completely unexpected for me. I had thought I would have time at work to play on my phone, but i didnt

 

Sorry to everyone, especially rand. I do hope I get to play this but we will see about work tomorrow

[RandA lThor]

Dap I will wait until confirmation tomorrow before replacing you, sorry about the busy job.

 

Sorry everyone for not setting a hard deadline, I am going to put it at 4 pm western time in the U.S which is in 7 hours and 36 minutes approxamitely. Vote count as soon as I get a chance. Also, I shall not be pressuring inactives since I feel that if I was inactive myself, I have no right to call others out for it. However, if it continues onto day 2, then there might be some problems.

[Turin Turambar]

So presently a little over 6 hours. We have a chance to salvage today. let us not waste it.

[peacesells]

If only there were a vote count. Rand how do you set a deadline without a vote count?

[RandA lThor]

Because my family would get really really pissed if I was on forums while everyone was there. So I looked in long term instead of short term. Vote count will be up as soon as I can.