Cheapshot Strategy?

[_CLOUD]

Drop it. We all mess up once.

 

This. 

 

I'm sure that every single player here has made similair mistakes in their mafia carreer, and we could go on forever about previous games and how some people have cheated for whatever reason but you just need to let it go and accept that everyone learns from their mistakes and that's ok. In Kronos' Asssassins Creed game I also broke the rules by editing my vote to try and stop a lynch from happening after the hammer and that was a stupid move from me, but it also taught me a good lesson about the "spirit of the game". Now, if someone keeps breaking rules after rules to try and get an advantage in game that's a different story, but I know that everyone here is above that kind of cheap play.

[Yates]

I think getting yourself modkilled on purpose as a strategy is pretty unsportsmanlike tbh.

I think it depends on the situation. As long as you are playing to your win condition, I don't have a problem with it. If you are doing it out of spite or rage or something like that? Different story. I was actually okay with it in the example you brought up, Des. I don't think it worked out as well for us as she had intended but I think it was well within the spirit of the game. [The stuff that happened afterwards? That's a different story and not our business.]

[dapianoplay3r]

If you have to be mod killed Yates it means you weren't playing within the game

 

It'd be like stealing money from the bank in monopoly

Not fair and not ok

[Yates]

If you have to be mod killed Yates it means you weren't playing within the game

How is that any different from intentionally fouling out of a game for a free time out late in a basketball game?

Or intentionally taking the 15 yard penalty on a late hit to a QB that's shredding your defense?

Or sending your manager out to argue with the umpire until he is ejected from the game so a relief pitcher has extra time to warm up?

 

Not to be argumentative - just curious where you draw the line between gamesmanship and fair play.

[Darthe]

 

 

Drop it. We all mess up once.

Ishy, you misunderstand me. I'm not trying to rub anyone's nose in anything or point fingers. Personally I have a lot of respect for Mish, and I think she's def one of the better players out of the relatively newer crowd. I also don't think she did what she did because she was trying to use a cheap strategy to help her team, I think she just hadn't thought about it like that.

 

It's kind of like how in the "Lying about RL" thread, Darthe admitted that he had done so before. A few people spoke out pretty heavily against him, and I don't think he had done so anymore after that first time and I don't think he'd do so again, knowing how others feel about that kind of thing.

 

Basically I think it's a good idea to open up discourse about things like this so that people can get a sense for what other players find to be outside the spirit of the game and questionable tactics and strategies.

 

I personally really don't like how so many people complain about DM mafia all the time. It's true that there are some issues that need some kind of attention, but I think there's more productive ways of handling matters than just bitching about things all the time.

 

One of the things I've seen others mention is that DM mafia might have a small problem with sportsmanlike conduct. Well, the more we talk about what is fair and unfair tactics and strategies, the greater the chance that sportsmanship will improve, which will be good for everybody.

 

Honestly maybe it wasn't a good idea to bump this thread, and instead make a new one, since the title of this one is a little harsh. I can make a new thread if you like.

Getting modkilled intentionally should result in not allowed to play again at all.

Way too harsh imo. As Ishy said, everyone makes mistakes.

Good post.

[John E. Kelley]

Discussing issues is fine, however, calling people out personally crosses a line. It needs to stop.

[Darthe]

It's one of those things that diminishes the integrity of the game

 

I really dislike it. It's cheating, and that's what bugs me about it

 

Tbh darthe also did something similar when he was given a mafia role in the Pokemon game. I'm not 100% sure that it was on purpose but he had said he would purposefully get lynched if he was mafia again. So to me when he did that I was disappointed

 

I dunno. I just really don't like the idea that people purposefully do things that alter the game that aren't gameplay

(If the rules allowed for modkills as a form of play, don't ask me how, then it would be fine)

 

It's like posting as other people in a QT. leelou was against it and after it happened made a rule against it. However until that point, thought unsportsmanlike, it was within the games rules and therefore not cheating (it does skirt the rules but doesn't directly violate them)

 

Anyway to me a cheap shot is fine as long as it doesn't break the rules (I consider a mass claim a cheap shot as I do faking a vote. But unless rule prohibited I won't lead a witch hunt on the doer)

However in this case with mish it was breaking the rules. Not totally sure on the Darthe one but it did lower darthe in my eyes a bit (sorry dude)

 

As for punishment. Nol handled it well. I won't ban mish from any games I run (unless she did it again), but I would understand if Nol did until she apologised

That's okay. I was definitely grumpy about it and wanted to at first, but I talked to AH and without delving into things happening in an ongoing game, you'll see in the QT that I said to my team that I would be playing suicidal but that I wasn't giving up. It just happened to get me killed.

[dapianoplay3r]

Yates i consider that very bad form and should be made more against the rules. Its hsrd to prove though

 

in these instances it was obviously against the rules and eben stated to be so. Easy to prove

[csarmi]

 

Getting modkilled intentionally should result in not allowed to play again at all.

 

Way too harsh imo. As Ishy said, everyone makes mistakes.

 

 

Note that the emphasis is on "intentionally". That's not a mistake.

But OK, maybe ban for a year.

 

I'm talking in general terms, btw. Don't have a specific issue in mind.

[Verbal32]

Mods can enforce whatever they want for their games.

[csarmi]

 

Drop it. We all mess up once.

 

This. 

 

I'm sure that every single player here has made similair mistakes in their mafia carreer, and we could go on forever about previous games and how some people have cheated for whatever reason but you just need to let it go and accept that everyone learns from their mistakes and that's ok. In Kronos' Asssassins Creed game I also broke the rules by editing my vote to try and stop a lynch from happening after the hammer and that was a stupid move from me, but it also taught me a good lesson about the "spirit of the game". Now, if someone keeps breaking rules after rules to try and get an advantage in game that's a different story, but I know that everyone here is above that kind of cheap play.

 

 

I was one of the players who objected of you subbing back in there. No hard feelings, but that crossed a line and I felt people wouldn't be able to put that aside. I mean that they'd feel strongly about it and be concerned about what you did earlier instead of your actual character. I felt that way because I knew I would have a hard time doing so myself.

[hazelkrs1]

It can be a mistake if they don't realize that intentionally modkilling yourself is considered a faux pas

[csarmi]

I see.