[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[Songstress]

It's ok, BG. We don't expect much from you. Just vote Tress.

Kidding. Well, not about voting Tress.

 

 

Tress, you say some parts were misinterpretted (false), yet you don't point out what. You don't argue anything, because you can't. You are not Town. You are a LLL.

 

I have made some very specific statements and nothing I have said this game has been a lie.

 

This is an advanced game, Ed. You need to recheck your assumptions.

 

As you insist, I'll go through and point out specifically what you are misinterpreting.

 

I don't consider Jeoffery a bastard, I consider him an illegitemate son.

 

What exactly do you think "bastard" means?

 

Seriously, EP. Character claiming this early, with really no reason... If I didn't know from previous experience (twice) that Kae doesn't do safe fake claims, I'd be voting you regardless.

 

However, all this strikes me as more likely being one of your usual plans. Problem is that I really don't believe you've flushed out scum with it.

Plays along with EP's "plan," but puts a hint of doubt with the bold.

Page 11.

 

Your interpretation is that I was trying to sow doubt on EP's claim. Incorrect. I was frustrated and baffled by EP's decision to reveal so early without pressure, and figured it was one of his usual schemes that comes across as insanely scummy. You and Red1.0, however, spent quite a lot of time trying to sow doubt on EP's claim D1. Red1.0 we know was town. You I also believe to be town. Perhaps you should be suspicious because I actually believed him instead.

 

Perhaps this could be considered her second real game-related post, which is on Page 23:

In the process of a re-read with notes this morning now that my brain is working again, but I'm only about 1/3 of the way through and out of time - have to go to work.

 

At very least I'm seeing several good informational possibilities from lynching John Snow... the wording of some of the votes on him has piqued my interest. I want to finish catching up on my notes before commenting on any specifics. And my gut feeling as of my fuzzy brain last night was that John was pinging me, but I haven't quite gotten through to define the posts that set off the pings yet.

 

As much as she has been spamming, how can she have to do a reread on page 23? She has posted enough to be keeping up with the game. Pulling quotes and performing a reread are two different things, and the latter take way more time.

This is her excuse to not post anything helpful.

 

When I said I was rereading, I meant I was going through every single damn post in the game and making notes. It took quite a lot of time. It wasn't an "excuse not to post anything helpful."

 

At the time I had been keeping up with the game thread, but there had been quite a lot of arguing about canon, EP's claim, etc., and I wanted to go back through and see if I could pick up anything specific that gave me a better feel for who needed pressure or may have already slipped up. Not taking notes as I go like I used to, I had nothing but a gut feeling and wanted to try to find specifics to see if it was justified.

 

BAM, 15 pages later, on page 38, Tress reappears ONLY when she is pointed out as having lurked. 29 hours later

Her reply?

 

She hasn't posted much game related stuff that I've seen...though honestly I didn't quite read through all of the last 10 pages or so so I might have missed it. She said she was doing a read though, and I'd like to hear what she's come up with.

 

Still working on the reread. I'm about halfway, taking notes as I go, keeping up with the new posts between pages and trying to get a few things done around the house. I got distracted last night from getting very far due to... more important things.

 

This is a considerable feat, for Tress the way she has been 'keeping up' with the game. Apparently she went from 1/3 of the way through 23 pages to halfway through 38 pages in 29 hours hours, yet couldn't have given us a tiny little post saying she was reading and some of her thoughts at that point?

 

Yes, I preferred not to give updates as I went, and frankly, it drives me crazy when people who aren't finished with their reread start posting comments before they're caught up. Frequently, there are later developments that need to be taken into account. As for the speed of my re-read, I did get distracted severely, and Ishy knows why. That wasn't just an "excuse not to post anything helpful" either.

 

I've finished my reread and notes and am sorting through them trying to prioritize and clarify my thoughts. Getting really tired, but I'll toss a few notes out here now... more tomorrow.

 

NIghtstrike's error in forgetting Nol was mod confirmed as town doesn't really strike me as scummy, EP did the same thing. My memory isn't great sometimes but it's better than that... but I'm not willing to use that as a sole reason to suspect someone. The bit with his reaction to Peace's FOS does ping some, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if part of that was due to a language barrier as well. As I recall English is not his first language, and his choice of wording and attempt to explain it probably isn't coming across as well as he would like. The repeated insistence that he is town would be the most damning thing about his behavior, but I just can't see that as reason to think he is mafia.

 

Some of Red's comments and FOS's have been really... really... reaching. I'll provide specifics and quotes tomorrow once I have time to sort through the ones that stand out the most. Not sure what to make of that, because she's done that to me before when we were both town and sometimes I think it's done intentionally to provoke reactions. I'm still wary of her sudden decision to stop bulldogging EP and take Ishy's "playing like he's trying to get lynched" comment as a reason to consider him a jester and unvote him. He's clearly not a jester, he's playing his usual town game, as frustrating as many of us find it.

 

Ishy's defense of Kaylee raises an eyebrow. Last time I saw him do that they were on a mafia team together in her first game. I also found it interesting that Red basically defended Kaylee's lurkiness as a null tell, but she considered BG, LZM and Verbal good lynch candidates for lurking... specifically LZM, because she pointed out that his profile showed he had been online and posting elsewhere but not in this thread, which was exactly what Nol pointed out about Kaylee.

 

BG has been much quieter than expected, and his question about Red's obvious sarcasm pinged.

 

There's a lot more and some of it will require pulling quotes, and I'm just a bit too tired to do that tonight.

Supportive of Night, but she knows he is Town. Sees he is getting a lot of heat, and imo, trying to tie herself to him when he flipped Town.

 

I had no information about Night's alignment. I suspected he was town, yes. I gave my honest thoughts on Night, despite the fact that he was determined to lynch me.

 

And then we see her the next afternoon with the following:

Ran out of time this morning but I wanted to say a couple of things before I head to work... more when I get home.

 

I have no problem believing Basel when he says he's Jaqen H'ghar; however, I have serious doubts regarding Jaqen H'ghar as a town character. Arya Stark I could easily see as a town vig, but Jaqen as a Faceless Man has a much different agenda and seems more likely to be third party than town to me.

 

I want to pull quotes on this when I have the time, but Red's cast a pretty wide net this game with her FOS's and appears to be trumping up the scumminess of things that are either misinterpreted or intentionally mischaracterized. That could, as I said earlier, be a tactic to try to draw out reactions from people, and I've seen her bulldog townies hardcore when she's town as well, so I can't call that a scum tell necessarily... but she does seem to be "nudging" a lot aside from her stance on EP.

 

Speaking of EP, the Jailer reveal was totally what I expected. You either think you're a lot more subtle than you are, or you're seriously underestimating the intelligence of other people.

 

More when I get home.

Ignoring the fact that she was right, as a few people were, I think the ONLY reason she pushed this angle is for one of two possible reasons, 1. She thought he was the Vig and needed to play up his scumminess so the mafia wouldn't need to fear him, and 2. She did think he was SK, but needed to get him lynched for the same reason.

 

Misinterpreted. I had a strong suspicion he was the SK based on his claim and wanted to lynch him because I think the SK is a danger to everyone in the game. Town and mafia alike want the SK out of the way, this should be a null tell.

 

Page 56 It is Night, so benefit of the doubt on being a little inactive, but why no catching up and posting her info on Red? Because she was already planning on NKing her. That was her 24th post in the game.

 

I don't post game thoughts during night phase unless either 1) I have a way of protecting myself from being NK'd (see Red's Lolz Apocalypse game) or 2) I am frustrated or overloaded and don't so much care if I get NK'd (see Player's Artists Mafia game).

 

And as I said previously, I had nothing whatsoever to do with Red1.0's death.

 

In reply to Peace:

I never have understood how fence sitting can be considered a legit accusation. At best its a little wifom. If you are town, you have no direct knowledge of alignments. Therefore fence sitting is natural.

 

The wifom part I get cause scum can use fence sitting as a way to hedge.

 

But fence sitting on it's own is not an indication of guilt. I've felt that way many times as town.

 

It's coming across to me as playing a little too careful - trying to play both sides of the fence, so to speak, not being willing to be pinned down to a position.

I am ashamed to have to agreed with her. :woe:

lol, pushing the lynch on Rand.

 

As I said earlier, I wasn't pushing his lynch, I was giving my honest thoughts. I had no information on Rand1.0's alignment either.

 

Part 2 in the next post.

[Songstress]

Beginning of Page 75, Tress comes back to us and says she'll be posting more thoughts from her "notes," which we now know are just QT replies.

 

You "know" nothing of the sort. They are not QT replies. If you'd like I can take a screenshot of my notes. The word document is 45 pages long. I'm not joking. I'll post screenshots, not that there would be a point to it, since you are determined to disregard everything I say because of a mistaken assumption.

 

The people I want to hear from are Despo, John Snow, and Tress mainly. Tress said she'd be around this weekend but hasn't said anything since. She's also a very good townie when town. She's got excellent scum hunting skills, but I haven't seen much of it recently.

 

So i did... I also promised myself and others that I'd get about half a dozen other things done this past weekend. At last count i got exactly none of them done. I was shockingly lazy over the weekend.

 

Most of the reason I've been relatively quiet (i would argue with the characterization of lurking, though) is that there are a whole lot of people in this game, many of whom I'm just not able to get a good read on.

 

I can't read Red to save my life, for instance. The kinds of things she bulldogs often strike me as taken out of context or trumped up, but i know i get that read when she is town. In fact I'm not sure if I've ever seen her as mafia.

 

I haven't played with Ed or Verb enough to read them either.

 

Most of the ones i have a decent read on, I'm getting a town vibe from. EP, completely aside from the claim or the Nol confirm issue, is very much acting like Town EP. Des, when town, says at least one or two things that smack me in the face as scummy - it's when my initial instinct says to trust him that he turns out to be mafia.

 

Re: Ishy, i was initially getting a questionably scummy vibe from him, primarily due to the whole "sucking up to the mod confirmed townie" bit that others have called him out for. I find it somewhat ironic after he got on people's case D1 for too much discussion of meta that he's now voting me based on meta. Weak. However, the fact that he's voting me at all makes me think he is more likely town. I have played with him quite a few times where he was mafia, and he's never yet pushed to lynch me.

 

The ones that have been pinging most for me have been Rand, with how careful his play has come across - fence sitting that appears to try to avoid taking a position, which has been noticeable on pretty much every issue that has come up... and Cyan, who i would have to check many notes on when i get home. As i recall the thing i was concerned about had to do with her FOS on me, which seemed to be a little odd. She was the first to suggest i was being lurky, but at the time i had been more active than quite a few others, and i wondered where she got that idea since i've played with her all of once.

 

And now that it has taken me well over 3 hours to type all this on my phone during breaks without being able to go back and check for updates, I'm sure I've been ninja'd more times than i care to count.

Her bullcock excuse for not playing the game? That she doesn't know players well enough...

Seriously, Tress? You only play by meta? How about you analyze the posts for what they are and if they appear to be scummy.

 

Continues to push Rand's lynch. FoSs Cyan.

 

As I explained earlier, my playstyle has changed a lot and I do rely on gut instinct and meta quite a bit more than I used to. Analyzing posts is subject to a lot of WIFOM and if you start with the assumption someone is mafia, you get quite a different impression than if you start with the assumption that they are town. If you try not to assume either, most of what you can do is notice patterns of behavior or draw connections between people, which often doesn't give you a clear picture until one of those people dies and you have a coroner report to help you understand what it means. You're analyzing my posts with the assumption that I'm mafia, which means you are very much misinterpreting things.

 

So, back to Darthe. I meant to ask this earlier, but this post sounded odd.

That whole thing is still confusing =/ IMO better to leave it alone. Mod confirmed confirms others somehow? It is a good position for town and so long as we find mafiaz then it can wait to be tested.

You say leave it alone, then leave a question right after.

 

 

This was pretty obvious rhetoric.

 

Glad you can rest in peace now Nol! had to.

 

Also, we need to lynch BG me says. He is totally scummy.

 

Had to.......Kill Nolder perhaps? Was that an admission of guilt.?

 

That just... wow. I can't tell if that's a serious FOS or a bad joke.

 

Her, defending her teammate.

 

I had no information about Darthe's alignment at the time of that post. Darthe and I were not teammates. That was not a defense of Darthe, it was a note about what I perceived as questionable behavior by BG.

 

Poking to see how quick you'd attack. Pretty darn quick.

 

I have to say, both this "poke", and the "poke" at Red D1 come across as very odd to me. Not so much like scumhunting, more like tossing something out there to see if it sticks. I don't like it.

 

How do you know?

 

Why do you want to know?

 

I see your point, i just wanted confirmation that it was true. Retracting my how do you know statement.

 

Nice backpedal. Yeah, it did come across as scummy as that.

 

I'm fairly certain you're Town, Ishy, but that whole deal was just odd.

But because of that...I'm more inclined to follow suit and,

Vote Verbilicious.

 

I'm torn on the Red issue because before she died, she did say she wanted competing trains. BUT, she did seem really strong against NS. More than just for want of competing trains. So, I'd be willing to vote her for pressah.

 

Darthe is kinda iffy. Still need to read his quotes on BG....hold on. Just finished up homework. Will reply next to those.

 

"I think Ishy is town, therefore I bandwagon." Nice.

 

FINALLY, some really game posts.

With the upcoming gladiator match between BG and Darthe, this prod at BG is a bit telling.

Tries to discredit Rand and myself. Not sure if Rand is Town or not, but meh.

 

I had no prior knowledge of the gladiator match as Darthe and I were not teammates. I was not "trying to discredit" anyone as you assume, I was giving my honest thoughts on what was happening in the game.

 

I've spent a lot of time thinking about this situation this morning when I should be getting ready for work

 

Both of them could be town to be honest, if Darthe is town he'd have no way to know whether or not BG was, but since we have to vote one or the other, I've been trying to decide who is more questionable.

 

BG's behavior D1 and D2 has been curious to me, but it actually does kind of remind me of his play in Nol's monopoly game when he was a town power role. The character claim is slightly obscure, but it has the ring of truth to me, especially now that he's clarified further.

 

Darthe's been very bold in his tunneling on BG, and while some may say it doesn't make sense for him to be this bold as mafia, he's quite good at manipulation, and if this time around the gladiator role is being used for the mafia, it makes sense to play it bold. If he's lying about having his ability doubled, we wouldn't know it until... well, he just never challenged someone again, which he could very well say he doesn't have anyone else he wants to challenge yet. For someone who is a self-proclaimed expert on the source material, he could easily have pulled the Greatjon as a reasonable fake claim. Robb's bannermen are less likely to be in the game than some others.

 

The gladiator role would make sense as Khal Drogo also, but that would mean if Darthe was scum that the mafia team would be Dany and the Dothraki... less likely in my opinion than the Lannisters... but gladiator would be quite a good role for Jaime Lannister as well, as Kingsguard.

 

Or he could be telling the truth. He could be the Greatjon. But he'd have no way to know whether or not BG is mafia.

 

If they're both town, it's less of a loss to town to remove a gladiator who should be one-shot (and may or may not have a second).

 

Vote Darthe

 

I've already said this was an elaborate scummy post.

 

Super fence-sitting. All WIFOM and "could be this or that." So, knowing Darthe was mafia with her, I'm wondering if BG is scum, too, or if she just wanted an early placement on his wagon.

 

You "know" nothing of the sort. I am not mafia. And it's unfair to characterize that as "fence sitting". I clearly stated that BG's claim had the ring of truth to me, and I was more suspicious of Darthe's claim. I made my choice to trust BG's claim more. I could have been wrong and stated as such, but I'm by far not the only one who thought it could have been town vs. town.

 

Look at this BG! You are going down and all of us know it, they caught you too. You know what? This will be far more appropriate. I am going to unvote BG and hammer your town ass myself!

 

... oh?

At this point, Darthe is two votes away from being lynched. There is no real need to try and deflect votes on BG, so she "catches" his slip.

Again, knowing she is scum, makes me wonder more about BG.

 

Again, you know nothing of the sort. Your assumption is incorrect. Darthe and I were not teammates. I caught his scum slip, and I pointed it out because it made me feel much more confident in my vote.

 

I finished reading back through the Darthe/BG challenge... hopefully my browser doesn't decide to send itself back and eat my post again like it just did, or I'll be late to work.

 

* Rand's vote on BG, citing "he's escaped too many times". Darthe was the one pushing a lynch on BG the whole game, and grumbling about him "escaping" being lynched despite never actually providing a valid case on him. I'm wary of anyone who voted BG with the reasoning "he's escaped being lynched". Rand also highlighted Darthe's character claim and made a point of bringing up that there are no fake claims, noting that we shouldn't discount anyone who "seems important" (post 1862)

 

* Mish used a similar line when voting BG - "he should have been dead yesterday". When EP pointed out BG had claimed Gendry, Enabler, she very abruptly switched to voting Darthe with nothing further about her thought process. Ping.

 

* Red admits to skimming, claims she hasn't seen or heard of the gladiator role before... piggybacks on EP's suggestion that Darthe could be Khal Drogo and insists that Drogo would be town if there's no cult... hence, voting BG. We didn't hear anything else from Red for the rest of the day. I know, weekend. Minecraft. Wedding. The explanations are all out there.

 

* Razen jumped on Ishy's logic about BG's enabler role - despite the fact that Ishy's argument was based around an incorrect assumption (that BG was enabling all *investigative* roles). He even acknowledges that the enabler claim was actually for *blocking* roles, but continues to support the logic. The problem is that Ishy's concern with the enabler for investigative roles was that losing him would basically cripple the town, which puts too much importance on that role, and he didn't think it was likely at all. Losing an enabler for blocking roles would be much less crippling to town, and would also hurt the mafia team since Snow has confirmed they have a roleblocker. Only once I pointed out Darthe's "hammer his town ass" scum slip did Razen switch to Darthe. (Followed by Verb's hammer, with no comment or reasoning.)

 

Vote Razen

Whoa. She actually did it?!

She votes Razen, who many have seen as scummy already, and is looking to push an easy lynch, imo. This post is everywhere.

 

Again, my honest thoughts. I'm not "looking to push an easy lynch", Razen's behavior during Darthe's lynch stuck out the most to me.

[hazelkrs1]

So there was a lot of individual stuff I wanted to respond to, but seeing this new info from Ed pretty much makes a lot of that irrelevant.

 

I was just catching up to everything, but I gotta say that something that mainly stood out to me in reading Tress's defense is that she seems convinced Ed is a LD. I never saw Ed hint at being a LD at all, and in fact considering the way he phrased his recent posts against her it seems pretty clear he got a regular viewing on her.

 

The fact that she seems insistent about there being a LD makes me think the mafia team has an idea that there is a LD out there, perhaps due to them having a Silvertongue? I gotta say, before seeing Ed reveal that he had NA info, I honestly had a town read on Tress, but picking up on this little tidbit in addition to w/e Ed has on her it seems that I was wrong and that she is mafia

 

Unvote, Vote Tress

 

And speaking of being wrong, apparently either I really don't have much of a clue what Ed's normal meta is like, or else he was purposefully playing off his meta to protect his role or something. My bad Ed

 

Other quick things: I'm seeing people pushing at players that really shouldn't be receiving pressure at this point, especially after recent developments. Red 2.0 seems drastically out of the loop with her reread, or else is purposefully trying to act like she isn't sure what's going on, because her going after BG recently makes no sense. He has had a good amount of pressure throughout the game, and the fact that Darthe flipped mafia and challenged him makes it fairly certain that BG is most likely town, or at least not mafia.

 

And Basel's pressure on Ishy also seems just as strange, but this situation seems a little murky since various NA's might be involved, but for now it seems weird that Basel is pursuing pressure on Ishy when he's semi cleared after apparently doubling EP's power. It's even weirder in light of the fact that there is someone who is claiming an investigative type role that is going against a seperate player, and from what I remember Basel hasn't commented on the Tress situation, or for that matter Razen either. Perhaps he's trying to cause a disturbance to distract from the Tress lynch?

[Songstress]

So there was a lot of individual stuff I wanted to respond to, but seeing this new info from Ed pretty much makes a lot of that irrelevant.

 

I was just catching up to everything, but I gotta say that something that mainly stood out to me in reading Tress's defense is that she seems convinced Ed is a LD. I never saw Ed hint at being a LD at all, and in fact considering the way he phrased his recent posts against her it seems pretty clear he got a regular viewing on her.

 

The fact that she seems insistent about there being a LD makes me think the mafia team has an idea that there is a LD out there, perhaps due to them having a Silvertongue? I gotta say, before seeing Ed reveal that he had NA info, I honestly had a town read on Tress, but picking up on this little tidbit in addition to w/e Ed has on her it seems that I was wrong and that she is mafia

 

Unvote, Vote Tress

 

And speaking of being wrong, apparently either I really don't have much of a clue what Ed's normal meta is like, or else he was purposefully playing off his meta to protect his role or something. My bad Ed

 

Other quick things: I'm seeing people pushing at players that really shouldn't be receiving pressure at this point, especially after recent developments. Red 2.0 seems drastically out of the loop with her reread, or else is purposefully trying to act like she isn't sure what's going on, because her going after BG recently makes no sense. He has had a good amount of pressure throughout the game, and the fact that Darthe flipped mafia and challenged him makes it fairly certain that BG is most likely town, or at least not mafia.

 

And Basel's pressure on Ishy also seems just as strange, but this situation seems a little murky since various NA's might be involved, but for now it seems weird that Basel is pursuing pressure on Ishy when he's semi cleared after apparently doubling EP's power. It's even weirder in light of the fact that there is someone who is claiming an investigative type role that is going against a seperate player, and from what I remember Basel hasn't commented on the Tress situation, or for that matter Razen either. Perhaps he's trying to cause a disturbance to distract from the Tress lynch?

So there was a lot of individual stuff I wanted to respond to, but seeing this new info from Ed pretty much makes a lot of that irrelevant.

 

I was just catching up to everything, but I gotta say that something that mainly stood out to me in reading Tress's defense is that she seems convinced Ed is a LD. I never saw Ed hint at being a LD at all, and in fact considering the way he phrased his recent posts against her it seems pretty clear he got a regular viewing on her.

 

The fact that she seems insistent about there being a LD makes me think the mafia team has an idea that there is a LD out there, perhaps due to them having a Silvertongue? I gotta say, before seeing Ed reveal that he had NA info, I honestly had a town read on Tress, but picking up on this little tidbit in addition to w/e Ed has on her it seems that I was wrong and that she is mafia

 

If I'm acting like I think there's an LD, wouldn't it be kind of dumb for me to say I'm not mafia if I was actually mafia?

 

And nice of you to point out what Ed hasn't chosen to reveal yet, just in case the mafia hasn't figured out what Ed was getting at.

[hazelkrs1]

1. You could be trying to earn a little townie cred 2. You could be trying to make Ed doubt his viewing somehow 3. You could be a Silvertongue yourself, but your ability isn't 100% or something. Its a reach, but its possible. Those came off the top of my head on a manner of second. Point is, you could be using anything right now as a last ditch effort to try and clear yourself.

 

And it strikes me that you are still being a little careful with your wording...

 

As for that last bit - Ed already claimed an investigative role. No matter what it is, it would be a threat to the mafia team so I haven't made him more of a target or anything. And how could I point out what he hasn't revealed yet? All I did was point out that he hasn't hinted at a LD

[Gabriel Kross]

Did you miss the part where I basically admitted to Ishy doubling me for nights 2 and 3?

 

EP, could you confirm the part in blue? The reason I am asking is this:

 

Or are you hinting at a very peculiar occurance from night1?

Should have been both Nights actually.

 

Hmmm.....

 

Your interaction with Ishy took place after Night 2. There was no Night 3 at the time this was posted, so I'm reading that byplay to mean Nights 1 and 2. I've just looked through all of the posts between the two of you and can't find any previous reference to any N3 doubling. So were you doubled on N1 and N2, or N2 and N3, or all three nights?

 

I was stating that I was doubled for nights 2 and 3 meaning the actions were submitted nights 1 and 2 I am unable to take advantage of it in the same night.

[Gabriel Kross]

I doubled EP all three nights, yes.

 

As far as I'm aware I did not recieve it last night. Which is why I asked JS if he was blocked. He did not answer me.

[Gabriel Kross]

Basically what you are getting at Basel is you are the rokeblocker and you are trying to set up me and Ishy by trying to say it was impossible for him to have doubled me ON night 3.

[Gabriel Kross]

Which I never claimed happened btw.

 

Side note, has JS posted in game at all since day 4 started?

[Basel Gill]

All right. The stuff with Ishy and EP convinces me after I took some time to re-read it last night. That, and Ed definitely seems to have some dirt on Tress. Unvote, vote Tress.

[JenLenaMom]

I believe that puts Tress at L-2.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

 

Tress (7) - Eds, JLM, Dice, Cyan, Ishy, Des, Basel

Razen (3) - Rand, Tress, Verb,

Red (2) - BG, Mish

Verb (1) - EP

BG (1) Red

 

Not Voting (3) : Kaylee, Razen, John Snow,

 

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

 

 

 

No deadline yet.

[Verbal32]

I was following Basel's inquiry with Ishy & EP there, and it sounds like they have answered appropriately (if I read it correctly). And after a re-read of the interaction with Ed and Tress, I'm good with the switch.

 

Unvote

Vote: Tress

 

 

L-1

[bgrishinko]

Going off what Despo said, I didn't even notice Tress using the statements like "nothing I have said is a lie" and whatnot. It is an interesting way of phrasing things. However, I don't think it is because she thinks Ed LD'd her as Despo conjectured, but more a subtle poke at a LD to try and check what she is saying if she survives... which is off as well.

[bgrishinko]

Ninja'd by Verb. I almost voted, which woulda made it a hammer vote. Glad I didn't. I would like to see if Tress has any last words.

[bgrishinko]

Oh wow... the timestamps are 10 mins. off. I've had this page open too long w/o responding.

[Songstress]

As far as i can recall, Ed never actually claimed anything, Des. I knew what he was getting at, but it wasn't necessarily obvious.

 

The point is, the mafia knows full well I'm not mafia.

 

I'm not town, but my fate is tied to one of town, so i have an incentive to help eliminate the mafia.

 

I am Jeor Mormont, and i am an Unlyncher. If Jon Snow (EP) is lynched, i lose.

[Gabriel Kross]

Isn't Jeor the one with Khal Drogo? Also why would Jon Snow have an unlyncher? Espeacially a non town unlyncher when I am town? I don't like this claim and am willing to hammer if others agree with me.

[Gabriel Kross]

Disregard on the question Jeor was the father. I still don't like it though.

[bgrishinko]

Eh, I'll do it.

 

Unvote: Vote Tress

 

The meta doesn't match since I'd think Jeor would be town, but it sounds like a cover up to brush off a bad viewing. And even if it is truth, 3rd parties take up an extra voting space on win conditions.

[ed2funy]

The thing is...I don't think anyone will be lynching EP. Not anytime soon that I can think of. XD

 

And so many things to debunk in your post! My internets in the room isn't working (on phone), but a LOT of your defense is "those were just my thoughts," thoughts which so happen to be scumtastic and making subtle pushes here and there. You pushing for a lynch doesn't mean you are casing and trying to actively persuade people. tiny little comments can do a LOT more in pushing a lynhc, imo.

[ed2funy]

It's been fun, Tress!

Now die.

[Songstress]

Unlyncher is a 3rd party role, and the unlynchee is generally always town.

 

Believe me or not, I'm telling the truth here. I'm not mafia.

 

I have noticed there are people who have been conspicuously absent during this train. Quite suspicious of Kaylee now.

[Songstress]

It's been fun, Tress!

Now die.

 

Just remember Ed... I'm not mafia. Use that.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

 

Tress (9) - Eds, JLM, Dice, Cyan, Ishy, Des, Basel, Verb, BG

Razen (2) - Rand, Tress,

Red (1) - Mish

Verb (1) - EP

BG (1) Red

 

Not Voting (3) : Kaylee, Razen, John Snow,

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

A LYNCH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED. Scene Incoming.