[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[Lenlo]

^ Pretty much true.

 

Of course, in my game I based it not on who is generally favored but on the attributes of the characters themselves within my part of the series. Tywin Lannister, Melisandre, and and Sandor Clegane were all town in the beginning while Arya Stark ended up third party at the end. And it was bloody.

 

All Hail King Turin!

That was a fun game. Won it btw!

 

Nold, what do you do if someone claims doc? Do you immediately counter claim? No. What if they are just trying to draw the real doc out? I say that character claims are next to useless and that only role claims should matter, especially in a GoT mafia game. Get someone lynched or stop someones lynch with logic and scum hunting, not by saying "Oh im this character" when the subject matter for the game is so wacky that really anybody can be anything.

[Nolder]

Ed that's just dumb

 

If someone claims a main character in a game unless they are counterclaimed (which they SHOULD be if they are lying scum) they should be treated as clear town

 

You can vote how you want and I'll do the same

And let the record show which of US is confirmed town in this instance

 

No, that is the dumb part. Who knows what aspects of this game might render "book alignment" useless. This is a mafia game - not the books, nor the show. You can't trust anything unless it is mod-given. I'd have thought you knew that by now.

Worried Verbal is worried

 

You are smart enough to know that mods on DM rarely deviate from book given alignments

Unless the Night's Watch is a separate faction in this game then Jon STARK is going to be town for sure

 

pfh, i woudln't assume the under lined. it depends on what PoV a game is done from. especialy in this series. forinstance, Kay and Kea coudl be doing it from the lannister POV, in which the Starks would be the bad guys. just an example on why your logic is bad. aside form the fact i have seen games here where well known good guys were given scum alignments. stop gamming the mods dude.

I'm not gamming the mods Red

 

@Nolder: so you think we should automatically accept any claim that comes along if there's no CC? That seems wildly irresponsible

Depends on the situation

 

Do I believe that main character claims can be trusted in this game? Yeah

If someone claims your character you better god damn counter claim or you are letting the scum get away when you can pin the town down to a 50/50 choice during the day and a 100% choice by the next day

 

why do you think claims can be trusted this game? its an advanced game, anything is possible. theres no reason imo whay claims should be trusted more so in this game than any other.

 

as for the CCing, i've got to disagree with you. there are points that CCing isn't good. imo, if you know a perosn is lying about their role its better to try and discredit them on thread with a case than just out right CCing them. if their tryign to flush out a character, then why give them what they want and put a target on your back? same goes for alot of role claims and CC's.

If obviousscum is going down and they just claim "Ned Stark - Cop" then yeah ok let the coroner report prove them a liar

But a claim relatively out of the blue isn't the same thing and there isn't any reason why you wouldn't CC especially this early in the game

 

Mafia has always been a numbers game

If we can trade a town PR for 1 scum it's a fair deal especially this early in the game

Please don't consider letting a scum get away with claiming your role

That is awful play

You either need to make sure they are lynched or you need to counter claim

 

^ Pretty much true.

 

Of course, in my game I based it not on who is generally favored but on the attributes of the characters themselves within my part of the series. Tywin Lannister, Melisandre, and and Sandor Clegane were all town in the beginning while Arya Stark ended up third party at the end. And it was bloody.

 

All Hail King Turin!

That was a fun game. Won it btw!

 

Nold, what do you do if someone claims doc? Do you immediately counter claim? No. What if they are just trying to draw the real doc out? I say that character claims are next to useless and that only role claims should matter, especially in a GoT mafia game. Get someone lynched or stop someones lynch with logic and scum hunting, not by saying "Oh im this character" when the subject matter for the game is so wacky that really anybody can be anything.

Like I said it's situational

This game is too large to trust role claims we need character claims as well

Like I told Red if someone claims your character you need to get them lynched or you need to counter

[Basel Gill]

Unvote. Vote EP. His talk about not knowing the series while simultaneously presenting himself as knowing so much about what happens is a harcore ping that shows he's mad up a story but can't make it consistent. If this is just nother of his crazy schemes, then it's distracting even if he is town, and detrimental to town.

[Red2111]

we're goign to have to agree to disagree on the claiming Nol. imo, CC's should only be done if all else fails. in the case of WEP, if it is a false claim he's more than likely gonna get himself lynched so i really wouldn't bother.

 

 

i know your a confrimed town, but i dislike you tryign to declaire how people shodul play. imo, since your confirmed town yoiur actions and words have alot more weight behind them than normal; please remember this while playing.

[Red2111]

okay don't know why that W got put infront of Ep's name

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Despo (1) Rand

Verbal (2) LZM, EP

EP (3) Eds, Red, Basel

Leelou (1) John Snow

Ishy (1) Songs

Ed (2) Cyan, Nolder

Cyan (1) Lenlo

Razen (1) Des

 

Not voting: everyone else

 

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[ed2funy]

Nolder's confirmed Town status doesn't give his words any more weight than the rest of us. It just gives him a free pass for awhile.

 

Nolder, counter-claiming right off the bat for any claim is stupid. In most cases, anyways. It's more of a last resort, and you should wait and try to draw out their supporters first. Otherwise, you just wasted a Townie for no reason.

 

 

And yes, saying that the game is most likely one way or another is gaming the mods.

 

 

 

 

 

And Despo is mafia. >.>

<.<

 

[Nolder]

I didn't say "most likely"

 

The Starks are town this game

[ed2funy]

Annnnnd, partial claims. Fun.

[Red2111]

Ed i dont see that as a partial claim. pretty obvious from his role claim who he is.

 

 

thsi is why i say though, that his words have more weight than normal.

[ed2funy]

Shhhhh, Red. I don't recall enough of the show to remember who might be an "Innocent Child"

 

I disagree with you on that. I agree he is vetted Town by the Mods and all, but that doesn't mean that he knows the lay out or who is who. He is just as much in the dark as we are as to who is who.

 

And frankly, if you recall Scooby Doo mafia (your game, I believe), I learned not to trust people past Night 1. Or if they died and then were resurrected.

[Nolder]

I didn't mean it to be a partial claim for some reason I thought the info was already out there but I was mistaken

 

I am Rickon Stark

[peacesells]

vote Basel Gil.

 

His vote was opportunistic.

 

As horrible as EP's play has been, and lord knows I've railed enough against him in the past, this is his town meta.

 

BGShrinko also hits my scumdar with that horrible poke at Red. He's way too smart to catch an obviously sarcastic statement. BG is one of the mafia genious' here. He looked to be laying groundwork for a later play.

[Nolder]

I agree

I guess I can give Ed a chance to come to his senses

 

Unvote

Vote Basel

[Gabriel Kross]

my gut is screaming about EP reguradless of his claim. he's not reacting well to pressure, wants to play the "i haven't read the entire series card" then trys to assert he knows wtf he's talking about cannon wise, and this entire nonsense about revelaing; both posting a hint for no reason and then claiming he planned to reveal early anyways.

 

i dislike it, greatly; and my vote remains because be far this is the scummiest play yet. I havent read any of the series, I have only watched the show.

 

 

Red, the LZM thing had nothing to do with this game, every time there is a reveal LZM flips out all over the game. Kinda illogical.

 

I added Nol's quote due to the fact that I was answering Nol. However, your defense of verbal is noted. I now like my vote where it is. With Red's first post, and then her reactions to my vote I'd suspect Red and Verb are on a team. I'm just a bit of a bastard aren't I?

 

so its a stupid meta grubbing move on Led. gotcha. stupid reason to bulldog imo, but whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong but I never went after LZM, I just commented on his illogical view of reveals.

 

as to the underlined. now were you answer Nol or were you FoSing Verb?? which is it. becuase right now your claiming it was all abotu Verb. you can't have your cake and eat it too. can I not answer nolders comment with an "fos" on verb

 

 

 

 

Where's Despo? I haven't seen him post yet. I'd like to hear from him.

 

Major ping. I never like players asking for other player's opinions, or building up other people's thoughts or ideas. And I am the LAST person people should do this with, considering my thoughts and ideas almost always come off as scummy to everyone else.

 

In fact, I'm upgrading this from a major ping to a hardcore ping

 

^ ditto

 

 

Oh and ftr, I purposely drew attention to push myself into a reveal. I have my reasons, I do like the reactions that I recieved though.

 

Nol pretty much ignored it, until I went back on Desp. Slight town read on him.

Verb, reasonable reaction, but looks bad in association with how Red reacted. I understand that it could be a set up on Verb by Red, but I want to see what plays out between Red and Verb from here on.

Desp: Illogical responses are illogical.

Red Defense of Verb, calling my reason for voting verb a stretch when half of her reason for voting me was for replying to Nolder's comment about Verb's.

Ed Nil read

 

and yes John, I meant Jon, I did mispell it.

 

okay are you skimming? you seriuosly tried to put a bit of suspicion on a mod confrimed townie and then (when reminded of this glaring fact) you go "oh well then everything he says is moot".no I did not try to put suspicion on him, I was saying I had a town read on him bcus I forgot he was mod confirmed

 

 

 

 

I don't think, considering the subject matter, that any group must be considered town.

 

How many different factions have so called rightful claims to the thrown?

 

We had this discussion in detail last advanced GOT game. The possibilities are endless. So even if you are one of the two bastards you aren't off the hook.

 

There's even another angle you could be pushing. You could be neither and an actual scum and be dropping bastard hints trying to make you look town cause a counter claim with 2 options is tough to make.

 

We did have that discussion last game. Thing is, it was mostly scummy wifom generated to help keep town paranoid about everyone. I should know, I was one of the mafiosos pushing that discussion. I said what I said then because I was trying to help my team win. The fact is, I think the vast majority of GoT-themed games will have the Starks as town.

 

^ this. excluding the scratched out which is doing basically what you just chided peace for doing.

 

 

 

You voted me for me saying I'm a bastard, which could have been me saying that I legitimately think I am a bastard. (Ironically as I don't think my biological parents were married it doesn't matter bcus it's true on multiple levels) but yes it was a hint to Jon Snow the most notable bastard in the series.

 

okay, explain the bolded cause i'm confused here. how is Jon a bastard in more ways than one, hes ironically one of the most good & clean characters in thes series, only 2nd to Ned. the bold was about me not my character.

 

 

and no, Jon is not one of the most notable Bastards in the series. this is what i mean by asserting you KNOW about the cannon, especially more than those of use who have read up to DwD. either stop being an arrogant jerk about the cannon in this way or stop complaining about spoilers. cause your seriously putting your foot in your own mouth and its this reason mainly why i'm wanting to lynch you. it urks me to no end that people who only watch the movie/tv show or haven't read all the books want to argue about cannon with those of us that have read all the books and likely multiple times. read as "I am on the verge of another big game meltdown so I hope people don't start to meta me"

 

you're very wrong and tbh you don't know what yoru talkign about with this series, so just stop argueing cannon and stick to scum hunting. So, you admit I'm town thin big slip Red.

 

 

 

You're bs "policy lynch vote" just because "hinted at a character" especially since the 2 ppl most known for the status of the hint are what could be considered "good guys" in the cannon.

 

again, you LITERALLY know NOTHING about the cannon. stop talkign like you do. makes me relaly think someone is coaching you on ASoF&I stuff. adn if they are, they're doing a very poor job.

 

also, Jon is known for alot more than being a bastard. maybe if your on Book 1 you'd say this, but thats really low on the list of things the character is known for tbh. More crying about cannon.

 

 

It WAS a hint tho. I was right, and my vote helped change it from a hint to a definitive claim. There was nothing scummy about it. I think you think you're a lot more clever than you are, I recognized it for a hint immediately, and ended up being right.

 

so your happy about getting a perosn to claim a character o.0

 

major FoS there bro. Oh look some distancing from Desp.

 

 

EP, im siding with Des on this one. Your saying his vote on you for thinking a hint was a hint is scummy because you didnt confirm it as a hint until after he voted. Thats some of the most BS logic ive ever read. Im also with Ed when he says that the conversation is completely relevant. Theres only 2 good bastards I can think of and more evil ones. All of the child Baratheons being some of them.

 

Gendry is a one of Baratheon's bastards. (the only one left if I'm not mistaken.) considering we went over the fact that I havent read the series in the last game I wouldn't know very many of these names you guys are throwing out. I don't consider Jeoffery a bastard, I consider him an illegitemate son.

 

Also ed, I'd have to be stupid to claim Jon Snow as mafia in the beginning of the game. Other than that I didn't read your rant, all things within the thread is gameplay,

 

underlined - wrong. in book 1 its stated that there really is no true # known of Roberts Bastards, that he was liekly the last left in Kingslanding, but the series is so much bigger than just Kingslanding. just stop talking cannon, your serioulsy embarrasing your self.

 

theres also Eldric Storm, which is introducted in book 2 and talked breifly abotu in book 1.blahblahblah

 

 

 

and also, seriously. (referring to the bolded and the underlined. you claim that "he's the only one left, if i'm not mistaken" then fling the "oh but ya'll also knwo i haven't read the series so there.

 

if you havent' read the series, then stop arguing flamming cannon like your some authority on it..blahblahblah

 

 

and btw, Stannis and Ned both call Joffery and his 2 siblings Bastards. Jamie even considers them Bastards. by the literal defination of the word they ARE Bastards. it doenst matter what you perosnally consider them, the FACT is they ARE Bastards ..blahblahblah

 

 

 

I don't care, point is I don't count Jeoffry as a bastard get over it, not discussing semantics any longer.

 

its not semantics, its literal cannon. stop acting like your some authority on the series and actually know what your talkign about .blahblahblah

 

See responses in red Red, and btw I do believe you are the better choice for the enlarged bolded line up there. Unvote vote Red

[Gabriel Kross]

from the offical companion Wiki for the HBO version (authorized by HBO, which has GRRM working intimately on the series)

 

He is widely believed to be the son of Cersei and the late Robert Baratheon but is actually a bastard of incest fathered by Cersei's own brother Jaime Lannister.

 

 

so i don't relaly give two hoots with what you consider a character EP, facts are facts. you literally know nothign about this series and you need to stop being such a flamming distraction.

 

 

JLM - dont worry, i've not seen anything posted yet which can be considered spoilers for DwD. we all knew of the Boltons Bastard in the 2nd book. and i wouldn't compliment EP by sayign he's playing liek Mynd. he's attempting to immitate Mynds playstyle and doign a very poor job at it imo.

 

 

That was pretty obviously a joke about how many things people can pick on EP for before he starts to play sheerly based on his meta. Hence the part in green. I never said anything about not judging him for his playstyle as I think it is highly relevant. I just don't get the point in him claiming yet regardless of his affiliation..

 

For the second, I quoted it simply cause I like it. Lord knows I know that series better than most here.

 

meh, i'd consider Wert to be the regional ASoF&I authority here tbh

 

i still see it as an early defense of EP, not out right blatant defesne, but subtle laying the gorund work style defense. it was worth noting imo

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I can't believe we're still going on about the bastard crap after I revealed my character, it has no bearing on anything at this point. Red are you Jeoffry?

[Lenlo]

It does have bearing though...

 

EP, explain to me in what world what you have bolded counts as her saying you are town? Because she says "Stick to scum hunting"? And this makes her scum because...? Build a better case on her and dont say its part of some elaborate master plan. I want facts other than this one bolded line and actual reasoning behind it.

[John E. Kelley]

vote Basel Gil.

 

His vote was opportunistic.

 

As horrible as EP's play has been, and lord knows I've railed enough against him in the past, this is his town meta.

 

BGShrinko also hits my scumdar with that horrible poke at Red. He's way too smart to catch an obviously sarcastic statement. BG is one of the mafia genious' here. He looked to be laying groundwork for a later play.

 

Your vote for Basel's opportunistic vote reeks of being an opportunistic vote (see? I can do it too).

 

Vote Peace

 

Also, seems to be distancing from BG.

[Gabriel Kross]

*has only seen show*

 

^This, so all you claiming "I know to much while knowing nothing, I never said I did not watch the show.

 

It does have bearing though...

 

EP, explain to me in what world what you have bolded counts as her saying you are town? Because she says "Stick to scum hunting"? And this makes her scum because...? Build a better case on her and dont say its part of some elaborate master plan. I want facts other than this one bolded line and actual reasoning behind it.

 

She is voting me because she thinks me scum. Yes? Right, so why would scum need to scumhunt? She destroyed her reason for voting me by telling me to scumhunt, if she does not trust my character claim she must think I'm scum. It's pretty cut and dry.

[Gabriel Kross]

Also, I goofed and didn't wait for the response back to my question from the mods, I had a pretty good plan but I misunderstood my role, so it will not work.

[John Snow]

Also, I goofed and didn't wait for the response back to my question from the mods, I had a pretty good plan but I misunderstood my role, so it will not work.

 

Role hinting, after everything else.

Vote EP

It's been said time and time again: role hinting helps maf more than town, if you're town. And if you're scum, it gives you wiggle room on your claim.

[Gabriel Kross]

Also, I goofed and didn't wait for the response back to my question from the mods, I had a pretty good plan but I misunderstood my role, so it will not work.

 

Role hinting, after everything else.

Vote EP

It's been said time and time again: role hinting helps maf more than town, if you're town. And if you're scum, it gives you wiggle room on your claim.

 

I didn't hint I said I goofed, this is an advanced game odds are the majority of us have roles. Nol's is revealed. I admitted to misunderstanding mine.

 

You are a scummy mcscumster though. I have no intention of revealing what I can do so your vote is wasted.

[Lenlo]

EP, scum scumhunt all the time. I do it when im scum! You know what the scum call it though? ((Least I call it this)) Scapegoat hunting. They are looking for people who are being scummy and could be passed off as scum so they can get them lynched. Telling someone to go scumhunt in no way means they are saying they believe that person to be town.

[John E. Kelley]

As bad as his play's been, that was a very scummy vote John Snow. You really do know nothing don't you? EP, if your namesake, and with no CC, I have no reason to think he isn't, is close to safe at the moment. Voting for him right now stinks.

 

Unvote. Vote He Who Knows Nothing.

[Gabriel Kross]

EP, scum scumhunt all the time. I do it when im scum! You know what the scum call it though? ((Least I call it this)) Scapegoat hunting. They are looking for people who are being scummy and could be passed off as scum so they can get them lynched. Telling someone to go scumhunt in no way means they are saying they believe that person to be town.

 

personal opinion. otherwise known as semantics.