[BASIC] Repo! The Genetic Opera Mafia - GAME OVER - MAFIA WINS

[RandA lThor]

Vig is town.

[Nolder]

Vigilante's are town sided killers

[John Snow]

So you were the killer night 1? Who got town?

The mafia, I would assume. *rolls eyes*

[Nolder]

John is likely either the Vig he's claiming to be or a SK

Either way mafia's likely to kill him tonight unless someone protects him which I advise against re: possible SK

 

Looking at the votes I'm gonna say Basel is scum

He followed me on the vote, as did Wolf

Which is fine

But the way he unvoted felt off to me

What pressure? I wasn't trying to get him to talk I was trying to lynch him

Just feels a lot more......diplomatic? than it needed to be

Dunno how else to put it but that's where my suspicions lay atm

 

Vote Basel

[michellem]

Wait, John. You killed Ishy, but not Kae?

[dicetosser1]

so basically nol you thinkl he was nicer to John Snow then he should have been?

 

Im not sure where to go on this one. hes been so lurky that its hard to tell. Things that are worrying me are that he 'missed the deadline' it seems he did this twice not once as he intimated.

[Nolder]

Umm that's not really how I would put it

My view is that he was trying to make his unvote more palatable to the entire town

 

As for John

I still say it doesn't matter whether he's telling the truth or not

He's a dead man tonight

Let the mafia do the dirty work for us

[dicetosser1]

the problem with that is the mafia may let him live and that allows him to kill a townie

[Nolder]

They could take that risk it's true

But John Snow is the towns best friend even if he's actually a Serial Killer

A Serial Killers biggest threat is the Mafia because the Mafia can kill them at night

So he'll be trying to hit Mafia

 

Whether he will or not comes down to instinct and luck I suppose

[RandA lThor]

Wait, John. You killed Ishy, but not Kae?

 

This was my question.

[michellem]

Because if that's the case that doesn't make sense at all, since they both had their organs repossessed.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

John is likely either the Vig he's claiming to be or a SK

Either way mafia's likely to kill him tonight unless someone protects him which I advise against re: possible SK

 

There was another kill on N1 that he would've done to make it make any sense. He would have to have killed Peace (town cop) for his story to line up. This makes me think that there may also be an SK (who is the reposesser).

[dicetosser1]

or he IS the SK

[RandA lThor]

OK, I think we can all agree that mafia has a NK and that they obviously didn't kill their teammate. Therefore, we can conclude that mafia are doing the normal deaths, not the repossessions. Then we get that there are 3 possibilities (just remembered another) vig, SK, and competing mafia team. We can take out the vig option because John Snow has killed two people and he would not lie if he was vig. This means that John is either SK or competing mafia team and he has NKs. This is not beneficial for town either way. I say we get him out of the way because even though he killed a mafia before, we don't know if that was on purpose. Therefore, I say we lynch him now.

 

vote John Snow

[Nolder]

^ doesn't make sense

 

If he's a vig, a sk, or an opposing mafia team (you know this is a basic game right?) he wants scum dead

[RandA lThor]

^ doesn't make sense

 

If he's a vig, a sk, or an opposing mafia team (you know this is a basic game right?) he wants scum dead

 

Firstly he's not a vig, as I have already clarified. Secondly, as an SK, he might also want to kill town because that creates a faster win enabling higher chances for a third party win condition of surviving. Thirdly, if he is an opposing mafia team, then obviously he wants town dead and killing him would be good.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

How did you clarify that he is not vig?

[RandA lThor]

Because he obviously lied with the one kill. He said he killed the mafia, yet the same person who killed the mafia killed another town (as we can tell by the flavor) which means that he has killed at least two people. And that is only if he is claiming correctly.

[Starrik]

This is assuming that the flavour is trying to hint at us in this manner. It could be a coincidence. I'm not sure how often flavour hints come, or whether Kaylee is the type for them. Rand, you said you believed that you block-docced a mafia on night 2, is this the basis by which you say John Snow is sk/opposing mafia? We haven't had a CC against you, but I haven't heard of that type of role before.

[Nolder]

Secondly, as an SK, he might also want to kill town because that creates a faster win enabling higher chances for a third party win condition of surviving.

That's completely backwards

As a SK you ALWAYS want to take out the biggest threat first

If there was a confirmed cop or something I'd say yeah ok we can't trust him but there isn't

If he's a SK his biggest threat to winning right now is the mafia so his best chance of winning is killing them before they kill him (which is likely gonna be tonight but hey he's gotta try right?)

 

Thirdly, if he is an opposing mafia team, then obviously he wants town dead and killing him would be good.

Same applies here

We don't know who the scum are

The scum can continue to blend in and fight being lynched

What they can't fight is a nightkill so they have to take out opposing nightkillers ASAP

[dicetosser1]

theres still a problem in fact 2 problems

 

1 we dont know how many scum are left could be 1 could be 2 could be 3. this means

 

2 he is liable to kill one of us townies by mistake or quite possibly by design.

 

vote john snow

[WolfbrotherKronos]

theres still a problem in fact 2 problems

 

1 we dont know how many scum are left could be 1 could be 2 could be 3. this means

 

2 he is liable to kill one of us townies by mistake or quite possibly by design.

 

vote john snow

 

Are you saying that he's more of a danger to us than an asset?

[RandA lThor]

Secondly, as an SK, he might also want to kill town because that creates a faster win enabling higher chances for a third party win condition of surviving.

That's completely backwards

As a SK you ALWAYS want to take out the biggest threat first

If there was a confirmed cop or something I'd say yeah ok we can't trust him but there isn't

If he's a SK his biggest threat to winning right now is the mafia so his best chance of winning is killing them before they kill him (which is likely gonna be tonight but hey he's gotta try right?)

 

Thirdly, if he is an opposing mafia team, then obviously he wants town dead and killing him would be good.

Same applies here

We don't know who the scum are

The scum can continue to blend in and fight being lynched

What they can't fight is a nightkill so they have to take out opposing nightkillers ASAP

 

For the SK, the most important thing obviously is that he wins. The fastest way to do that is to kill off townies as fast as possible. With mafia, there are only a few that he can hit which makes it much harder to do. In addition to that, third party roles usually don't care who they are killing, which is why they are anti-town. I have never heard of a situation where you do not want to kill a serial killer. I understand survivor since they don't kill, but serial killer? Serial killer have a lot easier time winning with mafia then town. I don't think they really will be actively trying to kill scum.

 

For the opposing mafia team, it doesn't matter if they are going to try and kill the other mafia, again, we don't know if they will be accurate, and in the end, they are mafia that we need to take out.

[Nolder]

For the SK, the most important thing obviously is that he wins. The fastest way to do that is to kill off townies as fast as possible.

NOPE

To win as a SK you need to be the last man standing

You get one kill per night

You don't win any slower or faster depending on who you kill*

 

*with the exception of other killers and things that will prevent a kill like a doctor or roleblocker. Such factors cannot be counted on however.

 

With mafia, there are only a few that he can hit which makes it much harder to do.

That's true but we are arguing intentions here

If you want to argue odds than it's always more likely we will lynch and/or kill a townie in a game because there's more of them

 

In addition to that, third party roles usually don't care who they are killing, which is why they are anti-town.

I'm sorry but if you think it doesn't matter who you kill as a serial killer you're either inexperienced at it or just plain bad

Shooting blind is not the way to win as a SK

 

I have never heard of a situation where you do not want to kill a serial killer.

1 SK

2 Mafia

3 Powerless town

 

If you lynch the SK the town loses

It's not actually that uncommon of a scenario

 

Serial killer have a lot easier time winning with mafia then town. I don't think they really will be actively trying to kill scum.

Again I don't mean to be insulting but this just isn't the way you want to play SK

In general you almost always want to hunt out the opposing scum teams ASAP

 

For the opposing mafia team, it doesn't matter if they are going to try and kill the other mafia, again, we don't know if they will be accurate, and in the end, they are mafia that we need to take out.

And again I am arguing intentions here

If his intentions are to kill scum then we can afford to leave him alive and let him shoot and have scum shoot him in return

It's a wasted lynch to lynch John

[Nolder]

I'm beginning to wonder what your motivation is for pushing this so hard Rand

It seems to me only mafia would be nervous about leaving John Snow alive to take a shot tonight