Monopoly Mafia [GAME OVER]

[alannalynn]

Nope, EP, just getting my notes all into one place. I still think it's a little early to end day, and we've done no proper scum hunting.

[Gabriel Kross]

then you are not paying attention, I have done significant scum hunting.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Ep, now you're overexaggurating xD Significant, yessh...

[Blackhoof]

Well we lost one and we gained one. What's the push for rushing day 1? What are you scared of, Blackhoof?

 

your the one who just arrived, not us

[alannalynn]

then you are not paying attention, I have done significant scum hunting.

What, by saying "hey maybe there's something to those that pushed for a no lynch and those that are against it or riding the fence" and then "let's see what the night actions bring". And trying to pull a card from Mynd's playbook that "info can be gained from anything, even a no lynch"

 

Yeah, I read it, Birdy.

[alannalynn]

Well, I was come-back blocked by Arez. You suck.

 

Blacky: yeah, I know. And I would say the same if I had been here from morning.

[Thorum]

I think we have to know more about these cards, before declaring whether they should be used in the future. Testing them day 1 seems like a wonderful idea.

[Gabriel Kross]

Ep, now you're overexaggurating xD Significant, yessh...

 

It's significant to me, I have a list of suspects already so I need nothing else right now.

 

then you are not paying attention, I have done significant scum hunting.

What, by saying "hey maybe there's something to those that pushed for a no lynch and those that are against it or riding the fence" and then "let's see what the night actions bring". And trying to pull a card from Mynd's playbook that "info can be gained from anything, even a no lynch"

 

Yeah, I read it, Birdy.

 

I wasn't just talking about my post

[alannalynn]

:) Birdy...

 

Thorum, I would like to test it, but I think day is passing way too quickly. If this was a bandwagon building on a person day 1, I think a lot more people would be against it, but because it's a no lynch to "see what happens" we're okay to sit back and let whatever happens happen? I just don't wanna wake up and find out day ended and it's night time and day 2 becomes day 1 antics because we didn't get enough info before rushing into the no lynch scenario. I never said I didn't want to test it day one, I just think too many people are hiding behind this train.

[peacesells]

Alanna,

 

You have any suggestions on how to get the scum hunting rolling? This card thing is like an elephant in the room...it's all people are thinking about. We could talk about how we should do some normal scum hunting on day one..but that isn't really scum hunting. I guess we could focus on those against extending day 1 out some but without using votes to pressure people no one is really going to react.

 

So, really if we want to do some proper hunting, first we need to convince a bunch of these folks to unvote..then get them treat this like a normal day 1, disregarding the cards.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay I finally got some time to chill at work. Reading up right now

[Arez Al'Loke]

I wonder if I can Add any more info that would contribute to this whole scumhunting issue.

It feels like everyone is being more careful than usual thanks to this whole no lynch business...

[Thorum]

Thorum, I would like to test it, but I think day is passing way too quickly. If this was a bandwagon building on a person day 1, I think a lot more people would be against it, but because it's a no lynch to "see what happens" we're okay to sit back and let whatever happens happen? I just don't wanna wake up and find out day ended and it's night time and day 2 becomes day 1 antics because we didn't get enough info before rushing into the no lynch scenario. I never said I didn't want to test it day one, I just think too many people are hiding behind this train.

 

Valid point. unvote. I'll repost my vote ("no lynch") on page 10 (or later, if I'm not online at that time). Should be plenty of time for those who like day 1s.

[hazelkrs1]

As always, with my first significant foray into the game I must christen it with a WoT

 

I'll try to be concise tho

 

First.

 

vote no lynch

 

Cause I'm curious.

 

I was thinking that the first vote in the game would be for no lynch, ended up being the first post lol

 

what is there to discuss? would you rather chance risking a town lynch? that would be very mafia like hoof.

 

Pingy statement here. So is it your belief that any time town isn't 100% positive the person they're lynching is scum, they should vote no lynch? There's ALWAYS a risk of losing a townie when lynchin, this doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to scumhunt a little. Your pressuring of Hoof here using this stance def worries me.

 

Haha, the world is huge(that's what she said). There are bound to be people you don't know. ;)

 

hey! i know you! you and i were scummates in the first real mafia game i ever played! Wombat's Wheel of Time mafia!

 

good times :)

 

did you find that funny?

 

it didnt really work. "the world is huge" is not a sentence that can be taken sexually.... at all

 

now, if you had said "the world is huge"

then nolder had said "yes, it is pretty big"

THEN you could say "thats what she said" since you are taking what nolder said out of context and pointing out how dirty it sounds :)

it didnt really work.

 

That's what she said..

 

Lawls!

 

 

Rand is fence sitting with this comment.

I see what you mean but my curiosity is so strong right now.

 

He says that he can see the points addressed by Tress, Darthe and myself as to why we should discuss before going the no lynch route, but has kept his vote there. You can talk the talk, but you gotta walk the walk too. He looks good either way - if we do go the no lynch route by saying he was there, and if we decide against it, he just has to point here to say he agreed with what the three of us pointed out.

 

I don't really see it as fence-sitting. He said he saw where others were coming from, but he was still gonna vote no lynch. Fence-sitting would have been if he hadn't of voted for no lynch, then seemed to be torn between the two or something. Seems that he's just respectfully sticking to his guns with his post.

 

You, on the other hand, seem to be grasping at straws and trying to find stuff to make townies look bad

 

Actually we already have alot of info, we have the same info we'd have had if the no lynch option wasnt there, because we got the "skeptical reserved" people chiming in being like hey guys wait a minute... and the "gung ho" people that are all like LETS DOOOOOO IT!!! it's all about reactions, the conditions may be different but the situation is the same... and you guys are all missing the possibility of night actions being fruitful

 

I'm not going to deny that we don't have info - you are correct when you say that it divides us up into those categories.

 

What I want to point out is the last line - night actions. I'm dividing this up into two types - the cards and then the abilities of the players. Even if the card that is drawn is good (which I have no idea if it will be or not - it's all up to chance and how Nol has the cards arranged). I get the feeling that this is what you mean, but by wording it as night actions, I get the picture that you're talking about people who can kill, protect, and what not. And the only way people will know whether night actions of the traditional sense are fruitful or not are those who have them.

 

Erm... investigative roles? Kinda strange how you left those out. Even if day 1 ended with not quite as much info gained compared to other games, we'd still have the opportunity to use investigative roles, which might not help immediately as those roles would wisely stay hidden, but that kind of info could be useful later in the game. AND we'd find out what kind of thing to expect with the whole chance/community chest cards

 

you should be afraid Darthe very afeared, Tress is prolly mafia...

 

Your reasoning for that statement?

 

Overreaction to an obvious joke.

 

I agree

 

Chance might be a bad idea, because it's probably a random person that gets killed, maybe with a coroner's report. Community chest seems like it could be worth a chance. Neither is probably a bad idea too, because then noone gets killed (and no coroner's report).

 

 

Whoa there bro, watch where you're swinging that PING!

 

Seriously tho, conjecture about the chance/community chest cards before we get examples of them is pretty silly, and even then it wouldn't seem anywhere close to reasonable to inject this type of wifom into the air about them. How did you arrive at these kind of conclusions?! Where did coroner's reports get thrown into the mix?

 

And I can't even begin to understand what exactly you're trying to say with that last sentence.

 

Neither is probably a bad idea too, because then noone gets killed (and no coroner's report)>

 

 

 

Herp derp xD Glad you could make it ;)

 

I totally missed the part where Wombat said me and Tress blipped his scumdar, I remember reading the whole "75% or worse" thing. Anyway, as someone suggested earlier, I'll unvote so we can get a little scumhunting done before we decide to go for either a lynch or a no-lynch

 

You mean even when you're scummy skimming you don't even notice your name being on other people's scumdar?

 

That's... pretty strange, even for you Arez

 

 

I also don't like how easily you cave into other's demands by unvoting here. Makes it look like you were just trying to hide a vote in the "no lynch" train, but would be happy to lynch a townie as well

 

Votecount

No Lynch - Rand, Eternal Phoenix, Arez, Thorum, David, Nightstrike, Wombat, BG, Basel (9)

Peace - Andrew (1)

 

Not Voting: Peacesells, Darthe, alannalynn, Razen, Song of Ice and Fire, Lenlo, Songstress, Blackhoof, Despothera, Lessa Nikia (10)

 

With 20 Alive it takes 11 to Lynch.

Looking at this, we'll have a no lynch in two votes. I really would feel more comfortable with some unvotes so we can discuss other options further.

 

I do not like how EP suddenly went all spammy, who was quickly joined by Rand and David. Do you guys realize we're at L2 and haven't gained much of anything except who sides where with the No Lynch/actual Lynch thing? There's really something wrong here.

 

We still have yet to get a check in post from Lessa and Song. And Despo hasn't chimed in yet either, but he said he'd be away.

 

I find it curious Tress was the first to even voice a hesitation about the No Lynch on page 3:

[...]

I'm not a fan of the no lynch idea. Nor the no lunch idea, thanks auto-correct ... Although with the amended rule #7 I guess I can't have lunch either.

 

I am curious about the cards, but from the way they were described in the OP it sounds like there is at least an even chance the result will be bad for the town.

 

At very least we ought to take some time about it. Rushing to a no lynch to pick a card isn't going to get us anywhere in scumhunting, in addition to giving the mafia a free day.

 

If there were not a shiny new curiosity inspiring game mechanic involved, some of you would be all over FOS'ing anyone who thought a no lynch was a good thing right out of the gate.

This was the first voice of opposition, followed with votes by Womby, BG, Basel.

 

Those that agreed with Tress after this:

Darthe

Razen

Andrew

Lenlo

Peace (oddly enough he started it)

AJ (sitting the fence, yeah)

 

Those that said curiosity was stronger than Tress's logic:

Arez

Rand

 

On a side note, why is this Wombat?

Unless more than 75% of the cards help mafia, I think no lynch is a good idea. And EP is right in that we do get info from this vote. Arez and Tress have already show up as blips on my scumdar.

 

I am always spammy, I even already have a list of suspects already.

 

And on a side note: OMG a legit post from Alanna day 1!!!

 

trying a bit hard there aint ya?

 

Not really sure what the point of this post is here EP. Are you admonishing Alanna for scumhunting? Are you trying to poke fun at her for being proud of not being too spammy day 1?

 

Then she defends herself, and doesn't seem to directly call you out for NOT scumhunting, yet you respond with this:

 

then you are not paying attention, I have done significant scum hunting.

 

Seem a little defensive there tiger

 

AJ responds with:

 

then you are not paying attention, I have done significant scum hunting.

What, by saying "hey maybe there's something to those that pushed for a no lynch and those that are against it or riding the fence" and then "let's see what the night actions bring". And trying to pull a card from Mynd's playbook that "info can be gained from anything, even a no lynch"

 

Yeah, I read it, Birdy.

 

And then you come back with

 

I wasn't just talking about my post

 

And yet you said she wasn't paying attention, because YOU have done significant scum hunting. Why would you call her out for not paying enough attention to all the "significant" () scumhunting you've been doing, then change direction and say you weren't just talking about yourself?

 

Seems like a slip to me, besides the fact that it's also bad tact to brag about all the scumhunting you've done... less than 24 hours after the game has begun

 

I also REALLY don't like the first part of that last post I quoted:

 

Ep, now you're overexaggurating xD Significant, yessh...

 

It's significant to me, I have a list of suspects already so I need nothing else right now.

 

Once again you're showing extremely poor form here EP.

 

You have your little list you made after... 136 TOTAL posts, and you claim you need nothing else right now? Come off it man. I take it you know exactly who the whole scum team is by this point don't you

 

 

 

The fact is, no one should EVER claim to have enough info to have their minds made up about something in this game. Well, no TOWNIES for that matter. Any and all new info can help lead to catching scum, and you saying you need no more just chaps my ass.

 

VOTE ETERNAL PHOENIX

 

As for the no lynch issue, I'd be all for it as I love exploring the interesting game mechanics various mafia games have in them, and I have no normal aversion to no lynch votes when one seems appropriate, but I think we got a good chance at catching scum with EP, and either way the day is going by too quickly for my taste. It won't mean that we won't have any info, we'll have some, but I'd rather us stretch it out a bit more

[Gabriel Kross]

OK seriously despo... you start everygame calling me scummy wtf... I read reactions I post for reactions and I make lists based on those reactions I had everything I needed for day 1, I told AJ she wasn't paying attention not because of my posts but because there is alot of information on the table as I had already explained me saying I had sufficient info was just me saying I had found enough info already for day 1 backing up my statement, you are grasping at straws refer to the unposted rule 14 and GFY.

[hazelkrs1]

Your run-on stream of conscious posts are too unwieldy for me to care to decipher EP. What little I could glean from there did nothing to assuage me from my convictions.

 

And don't flatter yourself, or rather I should say don't flatter yourself any MOAR than what you normally do, I have no particular thoughts about you game to game. I take each game separately, and you happen to be pinging the most to me right now.

[peacesells]

WOW EP, a bit emo there. Despo obviously struck a nerve...made a bunch of sense too. No sure why you'd react so strongly though considering there are 9 or 10 votes on the no lynch wagon. Again..WOW.

 

Has everyone on this site gone emo lately?

[Blackhoof]

We can lynch EP tommorow if need be, today is best spent with a no lynch. Of course more discussion before that is welcome.

 

Despo, I heartily agree with your assesment of EP, although him being braggy is not limited to when he is scum

[Nolder]

Votecount

No Lynch - Rand, Eternal Phoenix, David, Nightstrike, Wombat, BG, Basel, Blackhoof (8)

Peace - Andrew (1)

EP - Des (1)

 

Not Voting: Peacesells, Arez, Darthe, alannalynn, Razen, Song of Ice and Fire, Lenlo, Songstress, Lessa Nikia, Thorum (10)

 

With 20 Alive it takes 11 to Lynch.

[peacesells]

We can lynch EP tommorow if need be, today is best spent with a no lynch. Of course more discussion before that is welcome.

 

Despo, I heartily agree with your assesment of EP, although him being braggy is not limited to when he is scum

 

That sure smells like a protection statement. How often in these games do we state we can lynch so and so tomorrow but when tomorrow comes it never happens. Why are you trying to remove pressure so fast?

[Blackhoof]

OK seriously despo... you start everygame calling me scummy wtf... I read reactions I post for reactions and I make lists based on those reactions I had everything I needed for day 1, I told AJ she wasn't paying attention not because of my posts but because there is alot of information on the table as I had already explained me saying I had sufficient info was just me saying I had found enough info already for day 1 backing up my statement, you are grasping at straws refer to the unposted rule 14 and GFY.

 

Very very over-the-top and unnecessary

[Blackhoof]

We can lynch EP tommorow if need be, today is best spent with a no lynch. Of course more discussion before that is welcome.

 

Despo, I heartily agree with your assesment of EP, although him being braggy is not limited to when he is scum

 

That sure smells like a protection statement. How often in these games do we state we can lynch so and so tomorrow but when tomorrow comes it never happens. Why are you trying to remove pressure so fast?

 

Do you really think anything but a no lynch will happen today after all the talk about the cards? Besides, I am curious as well. If EP is scum, he will certainly be here tommorow, and maybe the cop would have viewed him so he/she can keep us focused if we wander away from his lynch, assuming be flips scum to the cop, of course.

 

Another thing.... EP has used the upset tactic before as mafia, so it would not be an anomaly.

[peacesells]

A no lynch is likely to happen but still it looks like you are trying to dissuade the discussion from taking place.

[Darthe]

Wow a lot has happened since sleep! EP, to be blatant, your self view far exceeds your abilities.

 

Black hoof, your posts seem odd to me this game. You disappeared and when you returned have been pushing no lynch ever since.. Without any build up.

 

Lastly, I would like to point out that AJ linked like five players because we all disagree with no lynch. I have a lot off issue with her "game post" and then bragging about it. First, if you brag about a change you have made in your play it looks scummy and she would know that.. It looks like a cover you can blame odd behavior on later. Second, the idea of linking and distancing is almost always negative because we all change who we agree or disagree with several times per game. Acting otherwise, especially with groups as broad as everyone in the game (the three she put us all into) looks to me like a way to appear to be scum hunting. Pointing out everyone isn't playing like mynd, it's not playing. Thirdly, and this one isn't as important it just still aggrevated me, me and Kae posted at the same time initially. If not for the things above I wouldn't feel te need to bring it up but it seems to me like her trying to find a way to appear a scumhunter when combined with the rest.

[Gabriel Kross]

lynch me IDGARA it'll spare me this bs. I'm a vanilla town