There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Arez Al'Loke]

Yickes. I checked my own notes. Piano hasn't been very active at all for the first 26 pages.. Makes him more likely to be lazy townie than scum to be honest.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Piano. But the reasons for voting him aren't necessarely scummy. People often go on about how scum try to have the "perfect amount" of posts. Not to many, as to get attention, but not to few for the same reason. In this case Piano has faaaar to few. That kinda goes against that rule, doesn't it?

[Darthe]

Not necessarily. Depends on if you are being overshadowed by other big characters and on the behavior of the town or your role.

[Myndrunner]

Yickes. I checked my own notes. Piano hasn't been very active at all for the first 26 pages.. Makes him more likely to be lazy townie than scum to be honest.

 

But active enough to swoop in and vote with everyone. We lynched Alanna in a previous game for this very reason and she flipped scum. Think about when you've been scum and had an inactive on your team. You bug the hell out of them to vote so they swoop in, do a quick read of the QT, then post some bs reason for voting with everyone else.

 

Also, its not just his inactivity. Look at his votes and the timing of them.

[Arez Al'Loke]

All I'm saying is, he might not be scum just because he has a low post count.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Mynd. The vote counts you've linked only showed one sucpicious vote placement by Piano, and that was on the Nolder Lynch. Otherwise, there are virtually no other votes made by him, on those vote counts.

[Basel Gill]

Mynd. The vote counts you've linked only showed one sucpicious vote placement by Piano, and that was on the Nolder Lynch. Otherwise, there are virtually no other votes made by him, on those vote counts.

 

I think that Mynd might be including the train that formed on Darthe before he claimed sheriff. Piano is the final vote there as well. I don't think that one should matter, since he was the seventh vote and twelve were needed for a hammer.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Exackly. That was why I didn't find it sucpicious, it's actually the complete opposite of what Mynd claims

 

Mynd quote "But active enough to swoop in and vote with everyone"

[Myndrunner]

Arez, you are coming dangerously close to defending Piano. This is Day 3, we've only had three actual lynches. Look at the trains that built on Darthe and now Limi, as well as the unsuccessful lynches on Day 1.

 

This is mafia. Anyone could be scum as much as anyone could be town. What we need to do is go with who is most likely scum and avoid lynching those who are least likely scum. Its all about risk versus gain. The town should always go with the lynch that gains the most with the least risk. Mafia do the same regarding their tricks.

 

Suppose Darthe is mafia. If we are to believe that there are two competing mafia teams, then he would either be on the Italian Ice Mafia or the Hells Bells Kings of Duck Tacos Mafia. Role claiming Sheriff would only gain them one townie lynch before we would be on to him. If there are competing Mafias, I doubt they know who each other are and therefore such a claim is incredibly risky.

 

Suppose Limi is mafia. Our Sheriff claims to have found her as vanilla town, of which she concurs. She only brings up the possibility of a redirection power in regards to Peacesells, who likely was lying his arse off. If she were scum, laying down to be lynched for the good of the town like she is doing kinda seems futile.

 

We need to assume FOR NOW that Darthe is our Sheriff and Limi is town. We can always revisit the validity of these claims later on without losing a likely town player.

 

Player is one that sticks out to me. There are also others as well. I just think that we have three dead mafia and 4 days plus hours to get a lynch. We should base our next lynch on the info we can glean from the lynch trains on those who have flipped mafia and those who haven't.

[Arez Al'Loke]

I don't know why you had to bring up the whole Darthe and Limi thing again. I said I agreed with you on that part. But what exactly are we going to win by lynching Player?

 

If he flips scum, who do we go after then? If he flips Vanilla, what do we do then?

[Darthe]

If player flips scum then half of the scum is gone at the least. if he flips town then we have another confirmed townie and whoever I view tonight. It also removes some WIFOM and gives us new leads based on those that tried to push him too hard or detract from him early in the game. Essentially, the same that you would get from lynching anyone else except that in this case you aren't killing confirmed town. How does that not help us?

[Arez Al'Loke]

"if he flips town then we have another confirmed townie"

 

What do you mean by that? How does it help us to know he is a confirmed townie if he's DEAD?

 

"It also removes some WIFOM"

 

When has there been any WIFOM about Player?

 

"gives us new leads based on those that tried to push him too hard or detract from him early in the game"

 

THIS IS THE PROBLEM. This is the strongest reason as to why I am NOT voting him. There is virtually NO such leads. There is no one who has pushed him too hard or detracted from him up till page 26 according to my notes.

If there is, could you be as kind as to quote someone who has done such an action?

 

That is my reason for believing it doesn't help us..

[Blackhoof]

where is the thought guys? I am not suggesting that we forego what we know, only that we add a potential extra consideration to it. every number crossed off, even if temporarily, helps the town. snd BH, i know about the algorithms as I have helped write one before. You seriously dislike math don't you?

 

I don't hate math, and if we knew whatever algorithms random.org uses we MIGHT be able to cross names off the list, but it would be ridiculously complicated and subject to error. you CANNOT cross names of the list when there is such room for error, especially when ee might not be able to trust the person doing the math to begin with.

[Myndrunner]

I don't know why you had to bring up the whole Darthe and Limi thing again. I said I agreed with you on that part. But what exactly are we going to win by lynching Player?

Because Limi is still at 7-8 votes and the point that her lynch is a mistake needs to continue to be kept current. The last thing we need is our discussion to snowjob these points until just before deadline when mafia then have the excuse of "well, we need a majority"

 

If he flips scum, who do we go after then? If he flips Vanilla, what do we do then?

 

His lynch alone is not going to determine who we lynch next. A number of factors are still unknown, like who refused to vote him, who only bandwagoned at the end, who rushed in to vote him. Like Darthe says, this would work for anyone besides Darthe and Limi - PianoPlayer just happens to stick out the most.

[Arez Al'Loke]

*sigh* You said before that we only have a couple of hours left.. Do you really think we will have time to lynch Piano?

[Songstress]

Finishing my notes this afternoon before I decide on a vote, but I had to comment on this:

 

*sigh* You said before that we only have a couple of hours left.. Do you really think we will have time to lynch Piano?

 

Player is one that sticks out to me. There are also others as well. I just think that we have three dead mafia and 4 days plus hours to get a lynch. We should base our next lynch on the info we can glean from the lynch trains on those who have flipped mafia and those who haven't.

 

... Skim a bit less, please.

 

We have 4 days until deadline, plenty of time to decide if Player's the best lynch.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Lol, Why do people keep saying I'm skimming xD

 

I just made an honest mistake, I thought he said "we have three dead mafia in 4 days, plus hours to get a lynch"

 

I'm going to start FoSing people who play the skim card.

[Basel Gill]

Lol, Why do people keep saying I'm skimming xD

 

I just made an honest mistake, I thought he said "we have three dead mafia in 4 days, plus hours to get a lynch"

 

I'm going to start FoSing people who play the skim card.

 

So you are going to blame other people for making you misread things, or making you not pay proper attention? You may have made an honest mistake, but it is still your mistake.

[Little Miss]

Alright, Arez I REALLY dislike how freaking flimsy you are this game.You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own. To be honest it does look like you are on the defensive side of a Player lynch...

 

This is how much time we have left:

Time until Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 5:00:00 PM (Charlotte time)

3 days 95 hours 5721 minutes 343262 seconds

 

Pretty sure this is plenty long enough to decide which way we are going.

 

 

I'll be honest in saying the Mynd makes a lot of good points on Player. Not so much his original case post several pages back that he linked to, but the rest of the things he's pointed out really do strike me as scummy behavior.

 

Key also never replied to me comment concerning her vote on Peace.

[Darthe]

And Arez still sticks out to me a lot, as he has this whole game. You have yet to be scum if I remember correctly Al Loke?

[Arez Al'Loke]

Dude, It was a joke -.- I'm just tired of people who assume I'm skimming. First you, and that was even a mistake. Then Tress just comes out of no where to say I'm skimming.

[Songstress]

Well... if the shoe fits, dear.

 

You've been all over the place today, and it's starting to ping me quite a lot.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

 

"You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own"

So in order to be helpful to the town, I have to find someone who has not currently been FoS'd, and then claim he's scum?

 

You can call it defensive if you want. I think it's best to consider all possibilites, Devil's lawyer, I believe it's called. But If you're all so dent on Player being scum because he has a low post count and he was the hammer on Nolder, then go ahead.

[Little Miss]

Arez it hasn't been JUST today, it's been since I called you out a while ago before Peace even revealed on got lynched.

 

And Tress... Nice to know you are still alive.

[Songstress]

Nice to be still alive, lol. Trying to figure out what to do with all this WIFOM... expect something longer this evening.