A Basic Game: Mafia Wins!

[Nolder]

Votecount

Razen - Aemon, Mynd (2)

Cosmic - AH (1)

AH - Cosmic (1)

Mynd - Ishy, Razen (2)

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline Countdown

[Aiel Heart]

This game is going to be great. I can tell already :D

[Arez Al'Loke]

Okey.. I'm don't really like that people who are trying to be active and actually making the game move becomes targets just because they said something first.. It's like punishing someone who's trying to make the game progress.

 

That means I'm not completly satisfied with Mynd claiming Key is a Mafia. It's only going to encourage people not to write anything here except "I'm here" =P That's how I feel about that anyway.. so Vote: Mynd

[Nolder]

Votecount

Razen - Aemon, Mynd (2)

Cosmic - AH (1)

AH - Cosmic (1)

Mynd - Ishy, Razen, Arez (3)

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline Countdown

[keyholder21]

Sorry I wasn't here yesterday ya'll! It's my birthday today and I was busy going here and there all day. I'll be out most of today too, but I should be back this evening.

 

These are all the posts that I have made in the game. It's not the greatest number, but not once did I mention AH in any of my posts. Such a blatant misunderstanding/lie. I don't know if you are the lyncher and I'm the target, or if you are just scum, but either way, it's bad for us townies. Vote: Mynd.

 

Considering the fact that he started out messing with me and then AH, I find it interesting that you jump right to this conclusion. It seems to me as if he's stirring the pot to see what comes out.

 

I am a fan of the discussion he's provoked thus far, so I'm willing to see where it goes before I vote Mynd.

 

Arez - your vote seems a little opportunistic.

 

Panda - OMGUS is OMGUS, no matter how prettily you attempt to tie it up.

 

Not sure who I want to vote for yet. I'd like to see Ishy's elaboration first.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Might seem like an opportunist, but I've simply looked at the facts from different viewpoints, and to me it seems that he bases most of his arguments on "weak" points, for example.

 

Mynd wrote:

"Wow, and now she's curious about what the mafia benefits from a no lynch. Watch for Key and her mafia team trying desperately to stall the lynch on Day 1! "

 

Come on .. that's just feels like a desperate attempt to frame someone..

[Arez Al'Loke]

And again, it feels like Key is being punished for being enthusiastic and asking some questions =P

[Myndrunner]

Please people, stop skimming the game and actually read!

 

I fabricated the whole accusation against Key and Aiel Heart out of my arse to see who would bandwagon onto it. This is how you get people talking on Day 1, beat the grass to startle the snakes. If my accusation against Key makes no sense, as it shouldn't, then why would both Cosmic Panda AND Razen both agree with me and "see my point"?

 

Arez, your vote on me is quite convenient. You obviously skimmed the last few pages, totally missing the heart of the debate right now. You claim your vote on me is because my case against Key is weak, which I freely admit. Why are you trying to deflect attention off Razen?

[Arez Al'Loke]

Haha xDD I'm sorry Mynd, When I read the whole "pull out the arse" I didn't get it was meant as a joke kinda thingy, and no I'm not skimming through..

I'm not going to vote based on a missunderstanding =P

 

Unvote Mynd

 

And no, I'm not trying to deflect any attention, I've been sulking on if your a mafia or not =P I'm gonna update myself further on this whole Razen issue shortly.

If I remember correctly, I didn't feel the argument to vote on him was compelling enough.. But I'll go chek again.

[Myndrunner]

My take is that it's between Razen or Cosmic Panda. Both said I had a point yet neither have produced a sound argument of what point I exactly had when I went after Aiel Heart and Key. I made the whole thing up yet they both bandwagoned on it as if I made sense. I've done this trick before and outed both a goon and a mafia symp on Day 1.

 

Remember, the mafia don't want to stand out, they want to blend in and push for a lynch on a townie. I have no idea if Key or Aiel Heart are townies, but I find the ease at which Razen and Cosmic Panda joined my farce to be quite suspicious!

[aemonkristen]

I'm very comfortable with Razen right now. His entire reaction to Mynd's case looked like he was playing a game of "follow the leader". If he had taken a moment or two to read the threas, which was only three pages long at the time, it would have been obvious that there really was no case. Razen was either too lazy to read or thought it was enough to start a train. Either way, I don't like it.

[Razen]

My take is that it's between Razen or Cosmic Panda. Both said I had a point yet neither have produced a sound argument of what point I exactly had when I went after Aiel Heart and Key. I made the whole thing up yet they both bandwagoned on it as if I made sense. I've done this trick before and outed both a goon and a mafia symp on Day 1.

 

Remember, the mafia don't want to stand out, they want to blend in and push for a lynch on a townie. I have no idea if Key or Aiel Heart are townies, but I find the ease at which Razen and Cosmic Panda joined my farce to be quite suspicious!

 

What's happened in past games has no bearing on what happens right now in this game. Just because you have outed scum in the past with a tactic doesn't mean that I am scum in this game. Has it ever crossed your mind that I might indeed be a townie with no idea of who else is town and looking for something that looks scummy to try and base an argument off of? Or are you convinced that just because I fell for your little trap that I must be scum?

 

Mynd and Aemon claim that since I happened to agree with the whole farce case that I must simply have done so out of laziness or else scumminess. Not true. I had no idea that Mynd were trying the fake argument. I went with what I saw on the page, not aware of ulterior motives that Mynd may have had. He accused Key (farcically) of being scum just because she was one of the first ones to check in. Mynd(and a couple of others) pointed out that AH was behaving erratically. These are observations that stick out, and I could understand what you were indicating with these, but that doesn't mean that I agreed with them. Had I agreed with what you were saying, I would have said "I agree completely with Mynd" not "I can completely see where he is coming from". Those are two VERY different statements. There is a big difference between agreeing to what you say and seeing where you are coming from when you say it.

[Myndrunner]

My take is that it's between Razen or Cosmic Panda. Both said I had a point yet neither have produced a sound argument of what point I exactly had when I went after Aiel Heart and Key. I made the whole thing up yet they both bandwagoned on it as if I made sense. I've done this trick before and outed both a goon and a mafia symp on Day 1.

 

Remember, the mafia don't want to stand out, they want to blend in and push for a lynch on a townie. I have no idea if Key or Aiel Heart are townies, but I find the ease at which Razen and Cosmic Panda joined my farce to be quite suspicious!

 

What's happened in past games has no bearing on what happens right now in this game. Just because you have outed scum in the past with a tactic doesn't mean that I am scum in this game.

Not true at all. One can learn a lot by past games and scenarios. One has to, or we are all doomed to repeat the same errors we've made before. I've been able to gauge one's scumminess simply on how different they play in one game verses the past, hence Red not posting as much as she normally does or Talya agreeing with me. Nothing is absolute, but if it worked before, why not try it again?

 

Has it ever crossed your mind that I might indeed be a townie with no idea of who else is town and looking for something that looks scummy to try and base an argument off of? Or are you convinced that just because I fell for your little trap that I must be scum?

Of course, as it surely has crossed your mind that I am scum trying to get a townie lynched, at least I hope it has. This is all part of scum-hunting, getting them to betray themselves with their own words. You see, right now you are upset because you saw a potential bandwagon forming on AH and decided to throw in your agreement early so that when you did vote AH (like Cosmic Panda did) you wouldn't be seen suspicious. Problem was, you didn't read my case and judge how flimsy it was in the first place. So, when pressed for your reasons for agreeing, you backtracked and gave a vague overarching response, which suggested to me that we are on the right track.

 

I am fine with a Cosmic Panda lynch since he actually voted AH for my weak reasons. I voted Razen because he had the stronger reaction of the two.

 

Mynd and Aemon claim that since I happened to agree with the whole farce case that I must simply have done so out of laziness or else scumminess. Not true. I had no idea that Mynd were trying the fake argument. I went with what I saw on the page, not aware of ulterior motives that Mynd may have had.

How does this prove anything other than you got caught being either lazy or scummy?

 

He accused Key (farcically) of being scum just because she was one of the first ones to check in. Mynd(and a couple of others) pointed out that AH was behaving erratically. These are observations that stick out, and I could understand what you were indicating with these, but that doesn't mean that I agreed with them. Had I agreed with what you were saying, I would have said "I agree completely with Mynd" not "I can completely see where he is coming from". Those are two VERY different statements. There is a big difference between agreeing to what you say and seeing where you are coming from when you say it.

 

The bolded is not true and if you had truly read my case you would know my reasons were because of Key's enthusiasm at beginning at Night 1. (+1 scum points)

 

The underlined makes me laugh. They mean the exact same thing.

 

Bottom Line - why did you feel the need to remark in any way about my case if you didn't even know what my case was in the first place? Answer, you were trying to be a fox among hounds...but the hounds found you.

[Perfexionist]

Cosmicpanda is standing out to me. He / she has made three points this game (that I counted). One is near the very beginning of the game where he / she says Mynd "has a point". Then the other two are aimed at AH, including voting for her, after AH voted cosmicpanda with the hopes of hearing a bit more from him / her. It stinks to me.

 

Vote cosmicpanda

 

I'm also not too happy with Razen. He's done a little not too convincing explaining and has done little to nothig productive (i.e. scumhunting).

[Razen]

My take is that it's between Razen or Cosmic Panda. Both said I had a point yet neither have produced a sound argument of what point I exactly had when I went after Aiel Heart and Key. I made the whole thing up yet they both bandwagoned on it as if I made sense. I've done this trick before and outed both a goon and a mafia symp on Day 1.

 

Remember, the mafia don't want to stand out, they want to blend in and push for a lynch on a townie. I have no idea if Key or Aiel Heart are townies, but I find the ease at which Razen and Cosmic Panda joined my farce to be quite suspicious!

 

What's happened in past games has no bearing on what happens right now in this game. Just because you have outed scum in the past with a tactic doesn't mean that I am scum in this game.

Not true at all. One can learn a lot by past games and scenarios. One has to, or we are all doomed to repeat the same errors we've made before. I've been able to gauge one's scumminess simply on how different they play in one game verses the past, hence Red not posting as much as she normally does or Talya agreeing with me. Nothing is absolute, but if it worked before, why not try it again?

 

Seeing how others play can be useful in determining if they are scum, provided that you have seen them play in several games. I don't have the experience playing with you and you've never played a game with me in the past. So at this point, while you might have the try it again attitude and that anyone who falls for it might be scum, I've not experienced the twists and turns of your mind.

 

Has it ever crossed your mind that I might indeed be a townie with no idea of who else is town and looking for something that looks scummy to try and base an argument off of? Or are you convinced that just because I fell for your little trap that I must be scum?

Of course, as it surely has crossed your mind that I am scum trying to get a townie lynched, at least I hope it has. This is all part of scum-hunting, getting them to betray themselves with their own words. You see, right now you are upset because you saw a potential bandwagon forming on AH and decided to throw in your agreement early so that when you did vote AH (like Cosmic Panda did) you wouldn't be seen suspicious. Problem was, you didn't read my case and judge how flimsy it was in the first place. So, when pressed for your reasons for agreeing, you backtracked and gave a vague overarching response, which suggested to me that we are on the right track.

 

I am fine with a Cosmic Panda lynch since he actually voted AH for my weak reasons. I voted Razen because he had the stronger reaction of the two.

 

Had I truly agreed with your case, don't you think I would have voted for AH or Key instead of you? (More on this later). Of course you being scum has crossed my mind. Why do think I voted for you?

 

He accused Key (farcically) of being scum just because she was one of the first ones to check in. Mynd(and a couple of others) pointed out that AH was behaving erratically. These are observations that stick out, and I could understand what you were indicating with these, but that doesn't mean that I agreed with them. Had I agreed with what you were saying, I would have said "I agree completely with Mynd" not "I can completely see where he is coming from". Those are two VERY different statements. There is a big difference between agreeing to what you say and seeing where you are coming from when you say it.

The underlined makes me laugh. They mean the exact same thing.

 

See, that's where we differ. I don't think that the underlined statements mean the same thing. This ties back to what I said earlier about the voting for AH and Key. Had I agreed with your logic about AH and Key (whatever the true reason behind it), I would have voted for them. Not you. As I also said earlier in this post, part of the fact is that I've never seen you play and you've never seen me play. I don't have a detailed analysis of how you behave when you are town and when you are scum. Same with you regarding me.

 

Bottom Line - why did you feel the need to remark in any way about my case if you didn't even know what my case was in the first place? Answer, you were trying to be a fox among hounds...but the hounds found you.

 

Here, I actually don't know the answer. I had just gotten out of the car after a 6 hour road trip and was not thinking clearly. I wanted to make sure that I had caught up without seeming like I had fallen behind and just posted something that made sense at the time. I also skimmed the thread, which didn't help matters.

[Myndrunner]

Razen, you are all over the place, with the coupe de gras classic "Im tired because of [non-DM related issue] and didn't fully pay attenton" at the end to justify how odd your behavior is.

 

Let's recap your defense:

 

1) I understood your argument.

 

2) I didn't know you made all that up.

 

3) I vote you for lynch because I didn't really understand your argument.

 

4) Just because you trapped two mafia doing this before doesn't mean I'm scum.

 

That last part may be true, but when you step back and look at the big picture, it suggests strongly that you are.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Razen - Aemon, Mynd (2)

Cosmic - AH, Perf (2)

AH - Cosmic (1)

Mynd - Ishy, Razen (2)

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline Countdown

[Aiel Heart]

Where are Red and Float (Levity)?

 

Kae and amega haven’t posted since the very first page. BG says his week has been hectic and he will come back tomorrow.

 

Everyone else has posted at least twice.

 

Razen is on the defensive, and does seem to be grasping at straws a bit for his defense. Both he and Cosmik understood where Forrest was coming from when he was pulling stuff out of thin air on me and Key. I understand Cosmik’s mistrust of me. Meanwhile he shoudl be able to see where that “copycat” comment came on. I also don’t like Razen but won’t switch to him until I see a very good reason to. Wouldn’t want one train growing too fast.

 

Arez was called out by Forrest, said he would take a closer look at Razen “shortly”, and has said nothing since when he’d been pretty active before then for a little over an hour. Might have just been that he had to go. Idk.

 

Forrest is calling out too many people and making too many believable points *watches closely*

 

Ishy needs to explain his vote again or reevaluate it now that it’ clear that all of that stuff was confetti.

 

Everyone else not much to say on yet. Key was pretty cook under Forrest’s “attack,” aemon called me out when I was acting oddly, and Fex’s one other post besides “here” seemed to have some pretty good thoughts (GO PUP) and poor Boyo is dead.

 

So... Yup my thoughts so far.

[Aiel Heart]

meh.

 

*"copycat" comment came FROM

 

*Ishy..... it'S...

 

*Key was cooL whilst under fire

 

I think that's all of them.

 

Now to go write a paper and then sleep!!! (will need to triple read it before printing >.>)

[cosmicpanda]

Actually:

 

Unvote, Vote: aemonkristen

 

100% sure about this one.

[Myndrunner]

Actually:

 

Unvote, Vote: aemonkristen

 

100% sure about this one.

 

 

Care to elaborate on why you are 100% sure of Aemon Kristen? The only people who can be 100% sure of other peoples alignments are the mafia since they know who is innocent and who isn't.

[cosmicpanda]

Because of this post:

 

Aiel is acting rather erratically. A lot of "you are scum...wait a minute, maybe you just LOOK scummy". Seems like trying to straddle the fence in my opinion. The abrupt turn-around in the same post from outright accusing to a simple FoS makes me wonder whether it is the joke it seems to be or a way to later come back and say "but I really didn't think that" after someone flips town.

 

Which is even more bogus than yours were (I was actually being a little mischievous when I said that I thought you had a point, just because I thought AH could do with a little more pressure). He toned it down in the very next post, but not much. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be scum with you, actually.

 

I think that AH, based on her(?) reactions thus far, is town. Gut read.

[Aiel Heart]

Look at the gals in the siggies, the "Heart" in the name, and the sparkling diamond avatar. Yup, I'm a her :P

 

And that is interesting... Aemon, your retort?

 

Cosmik, your claim that you were just trying to pressure me more is possibly believable since you haven't said anything since we moved past that, but I'm not going to completely dismiss your seeing of Forrest's points yet.

[Arez Al'Loke]

I don't know how to quote .. To lazy to learn.

 

Aiel wrote:

"Forrest is calling out too many people and making too many believable points *watches closely*"

 

HAHAAH XDD Didn't I write something like that aswell =DD? Or perhaps that was another mafia game.. anywaaaay, Forrest just seems to make TO much sence all the time xD

He's good indeed.

 

@Aiel Regarding what you said about

"said he would take a closer look at Razen “shortly”, and has said nothing since when he’d been pretty active before then for a little over an hour. Might have just been that he had to go. Idk."

 

I only had time to skim through the posts ^^ And I didn't find Forrest's argument strong enough to vote Razen =) So I thought I might aswell explain that when I had more time later =) Then I simply forgot that I should've written that I viewed the arguments and found it weak =)

[Aiel Heart]

Bottom right corner of each post = "Reply" = how we quote ;)

 

This is mafia. Never trust anyone.

 

What I read that as was "I'll go back and reread with that knowledge in mind and then tell you what I think from there" but I suppose that was possibly a false interpretation of those words...