Wombat's A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia (Advanced) Game Thread

[Aiel Heart]

Ok guys I'm not going to be able to do my WoTs and stuff like usual because I'm rather constrained on time this week (which is why Wombat is now worshiping the ground I walk on). I've made it to the end of day one, will try to do the rest later, but will be on for rather limitedly until Monday.

 

So far I've decided that the JN people are all nuts.

[Sakaea]

^^ You learn quickly, young Padawan.

[John McClane]

Wow. The minute I stop posting this game grinds to a halt... worst part of playing games at DM, everyone is so damn afraid to stick their necks out and say anything...

[keyholder21]

That is probably true. Though sometimes it's because we are at work and have to post on a break, etc.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Ape(5): Crusher, Despothera, JF80, Thorum, PatsFanTX

Vicious(2): Songstress, 鲍勃不是我的名字

Aemon(2): Paperblade, bgrishinko

Thorum(7): Song, Keyholder, Leelou, Vicious, Razen, Ape, Meesh

Paperblade(1): Aemon

 

With 24 voting player it takes 13 to lynch.

 

Deadline: February 25 at 1 PM EST

[keyholder21]

When was I hunting for communicating factions? I believe I commented on it somewhere, but everyone did, but I wasn't hunting anything.

 

Unvote: Vote Aemon for implanting the idea I was involved in schemes and actions I never participated in.

 

The vote seems a little over the top. You can refute/refuse what someone says about you withOUT voting for them. Sounds like you're looking for someone to vote for other than the lead votegetters and came up with this weak reasoning.

[aemonkristen]

@ BG- My bad. I meant Desp for the following exchange between Desp and Songstress. I cut the post down to a reasonable size. The rest didn't have anything to do with looking for people who have admitted being able to communicate with their factions.

 

mini WoT incoming, skim at your own peril!

 

Oh my. BG warned me in my last game I'd find your WoTs impressive. I like you, indeed.

 

Okay enough blubbering, Unvote... not sure yet who to vote for. I want to see if I can find any others who unwittingly admitted to having a QT... which means a frikkin reread. Already. FML

 

I see you've pegged a few... here are other possibles I've noted during my read:

 

So, Trench, in a discussion on the topic of whether faction members are aware of each other you find it suspicious that someone responds that they, in fact, do not know who their faction members are? That logic has a few wholes in it. That said, there is only one faction that I see being in that situation: unaligned survivor. Since I am curious to find out if that is the case and probably won't trust her if she says that's what she is...

 

VOTE CHRISTINE

 

Also keeping my eye on Trench for that seriously flawed logic.

 

Alright. You know what. Here is a reveal.

 

 

I am in a faction, and I have no idea who else is in it.

 

This bothers me. Going by source material, I'm afraid you're aligned with The Spider. His little birds don't all know who each other are...and I may think of who else you could be aligned with later, but for now I'm going to Vote Christine

 

Tip: click inside this box to load the editorour <----- Can someone explain how this appeared when I was typing?

 

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Anyway what I was trying to say;

I dont know the source material (haven't had a chance to read or watch them yet) so I would also like to know what The Spider is and why you think Christine would be part of that.

 

My understanding was that we would have mason groups, survivors, and a cult. I assumed that only the survivors wouldn't know who the others in their faction were. So Christine I has thrown me a bit. I just cant think as to why she would claim it if it was a lie though.

 

 

It's funny how Ape is clinging to whatever thread he can to try to unravel my case, when I'm far from the first to present it. You defended Nolder, plain and simple. I don't care how obvious it would be for you or anything. That WIFOM can die along with your lifeline.

 

@ Songstress

 

Good catch on aemon and Kae. Honestly though, this game is going to play out so differently from regular mafia. With several faction NK's a night, we don't have to be as picky with our lynches because we got enough killing roles to catch whoever slips through the cracks. Either way we should remember all those who fell for Nolder's trap statement that wasn't a trap statement but still worked like one

 

That's what I was referring to BG. I just got the names mixed up.

 

 

 

@Paperblade- I'm going to take this one piece at a time because apparently you still aren't paying attention.

 

Your vote on Christine didn't make any sense.

 

trench thought Christine's reveal that she was on a faction and didn't know who else was on it was bullshit, so he voted her.

 

So, Trench's reasoning is sound and mine is not. We'll come back to that.

 

You said this logic was bad, but also said you thought all factions were aware of each other (thus you are admitting your faction is united) except for an unaligned survivor, which so far no one needs dead.

 

Here is where I said I am in a faction that communicates. Try to keep up.

 

To address a few of the points brought up. It is true that I am on in a faction that can communicate. I have never denied it. I find it interesting, however, that some of the other people that have admitted it as well were not mentioned in the BG/Songstress hunt for communicating factions.

 

You also added you wouldn't buy what she said she was, so you voted her. Your reasoning was the same as trench's--you didn't believe she was on a faction that started out unaware of each other (unless she was a survivor, but since all enemies are mutual and survivors just have to survive, no one needs a survivor dead).

 

Wait, I thought you said my reasoning was stupid and Trench's was solid. Why contradict yourself now?

 

Additionally, when a player flips we don't learn if their faction is united or not, so how would lynching her prove otherwise?

 

Again, you need to pay attention to what people say. I said I believed that she was an unaligned survivor and wanted to see if that was the case. Here's the quote:

 

So, Trench, in a discussion on the topic of whether faction members are aware of each other you find it suspicious that someone responds that they, in fact, do not know who their faction members are? That logic has a few wholes in it. That said, there is only one faction that I see being in that situation: unaligned survivor.Since I am curious to find out if that is the case and probably won't trust her if she says that's what she is...

 

I can say I know who my teammates are and I can say I don't--it doesn't prove anything (other than "I don't lie" meta but you've already said you don't trust everything she says). Killing me won't prove otherwise regardless of what I flip. Your lynch reasoning was shit because the stated purpose won't be achieved, because you have no proof that all factions beyond Unaligned Survivors are united.

 

This just continues your complete lack of understanding you have of my clearly stated reason for voting Christine. I voted her to see if she was an unaligned survivor. I was not trying to prove whether she had communication with other people. I was not trying to find out if there were other factions that could not communicate. I clearly said that I wanted to see if she was an unaligned survivor.

 

So I ask you this: Why would factions start out united? Are you just assuming that because yours is?

 

I have never stated that all factions started out knowing each other. The Opening Post clearly states that there are unaligned survivors. I highly doubt that unaligned players would be communicating with anyone. You jump from one conclusion to another and contradict yourself when you aren't just making stuff up. I'm happy with my vote where it is.

[Sakaea]

*waves at the mod* You missed my vote on Ama, good sir

[bgrishinko]

Unvote

 

Ok, that makes sense. I formally retract my vote.

[Paperblade]

I never said trench's reasoning was sound or solid. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said your reasoning was similar and that you're a hypocrite for saying "This reasoning sucks I'm gonna keep an eye on you" when using incredibly similar reasoning.

 

That said, there is only one faction that I see being in that situation: unaligned survivor.

Why do you think that all other factions cannot communicate? You are dodging this point.

[Paperblade]

... *Why do you think all other factions can communicate?

[aemonkristen]

Obviously because the houses in the series talk to their family members. Seems pretty logical.And once again you have failed to completely read why I dislike Trench's vote. I'll quote that for you because I'm pretty sure you won't go back and look on your own.

 

So, Trench, in a discussion on the topic of whether faction members are aware of each other you find it suspicious that someone responds that they, in fact, do not know who their faction members are? That logic has a few wholes in it. That said, there is only one faction that I see being in that situation: unaligned survivor. Since I am curious to find out if that is the case and probably won't trust her if she says that's what she is...

 

VOTE CHRISTINE

 

Also keeping my eye on Trench for that seriously flawed logic.

 

I put the part I disagree with in bold. However, because you have failed to understand the point on other occasions, I will explain it again. There was a conversation about whether faction members could talk to each other. Trench decided to vote for Christine because she claimed that her faction did not have communication. That's like having a discussion on the color of various cars and voting her because she says her car is blue. It makes no sense to cal BS on a person when they are responding to the topic being discussed. Why did he not go after the other people that were also claiming to not have communication with their factions? I voted for Christine because I wanted to know if she was an unaligned survivor. You were the one that said that my logic was stupid compared to that of Trench and then went on to say that our reasons for voting were similar. You really need to make up your mind on this. Trench voted from the questionable logic of "you don't agree with me so you must die". I voted her from the the logic of "I want to see if you are an unaligned survivor or other faction". Unfortunately, we still have no idea what faction she is with because she turned into a damn tree stump.

[Paperblade]

It's obvious that not all factions are united if Christine is telling the truth, because an unaligned survivor that can't die is stupid (seriously she wins by default).

 

But that means we believe Christine, which you already stated you didn't.

 

Since I am curious to find out if that is the case and probably won't trust her if she says that's what she is...

Why would you believe Christine say she's not aware of her team but not believe her faction claim?

 

It is my belief that you were just pushing for a lynch on someone not of your faction (since you admit you are aware of your team) under the guise of "want information." This means you are a member of either Greyjoy or Lannister, who has every known faction sans the Night's Watch as enemies. In which case my vote is perfectly fine where it is, as if I were on your team we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Paperblade]

Oh you could also be Cult too

[Sakaea]

Christine, oh stump-ish one, are you Shai? Or another character of a whore-ish persuasion?

[John E. Kelley]

Christine, oh stump-ish one, are you Shai? Or another character of a whore-ish persuasion?

 

You mean you don't know? I thought you all knew each other...

[John E. Kelley]

And, I just got home from work. Lemme read what's gone down today and I'll be back with my eagerly-awaited thoughts.

[trench]

Vote Thorum

 

One more for Thorum for his Ape vote. He pushed for his lynch yesterday, so we know there were reasons he could have posted along with the vote. He has 7 votes on him and has not even tried to make a defnese. After going through his posts I would like to find out if he is cult, or one of the people setting Ape up, or if he is just an avid fan of killing and mutilating apes.

[Sakaea]

Christine, oh stump-ish one, are you Shai? Or another character of a whore-ish persuasion?

 

You mean you don't know? I thought you all knew each other...

 

you too, Ishy. Only the whores who work for Littlefinger all "know" each other...if ya know what I mean

[hazelkrs1]

First:

 

Key comes out to semi-defend Nol, attacking Red's case at the same time. Key has me worried this game, there were a couple of other posts I didn't grab cause I was already pulling so many, but at one point she came on thread to admonish an inactive, when she's been fairly inactive as well. Add to that the fact that she also brought back up the whole greyjoy argument right when more people were starting to pay attention to Nol. Strong FOS so far at everyone I've quoted.

 

It wasn’t a defense of nol; it was a prod at Red. Saying she was overlooking some of the bigger problems to focus on nol. Felt like she was trying to protect a teammate that had received some heat.

 

Bolded - Are you kidding me Des? I'm definitely in the 10 most active people this game - not at the top of that list, sure, but go back and look at the list of who's posted the most, you'll find I'm closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.

 

If you're referring to specifically yesterday, DM was down when I finally had a few minutes to look at my mafia games, so yeah, I couldn't post yesterday.

 

I also didn't "bring back" the argument. It was still being talked about, so that's why I decided to weigh in. You should get things straight before you post...

 

....like quoting the death scene of nolder and then voting for him .

 

And now I'll go back through and reread to see who I should focus on today.

 

 

GJ linking yourself with Ape, he also used the flub I made voting for Nol to try and belittle and dismiss my case

 

First:

 

Key comes out to semi-defend Nol, attacking Red's case at the same time. Key has me worried this game, there were a couple of other posts I didn't grab cause I was already pulling so many, but at one point she came on thread to admonish an inactive, when she's been fairly inactive as well. Add to that the fact that she also brought back up the whole greyjoy argument right when more people were starting to pay attention to Nol. Strong FOS so far at everyone I've quoted.

 

It wasn’t a defense of nol; it was a prod at Red. Saying she was overlooking some of the bigger problems to focus on nol. Felt like she was trying to protect a teammate that had received some heat.

 

Bolded - Are you kidding me Des? I'm definitely in the 10 most active people this game - not at the top of that list, sure, but go back and look at the list of who's posted the most, you'll find I'm closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.

 

If you're referring to specifically yesterday, DM was down when I finally had a few minutes to look at my mafia games, so yeah, I couldn't post yesterday.

 

I also didn't "bring back" the argument. It was still being talked about, so that's why I decided to weigh in. You should get things straight before you post...

 

....like quoting the death scene of nolder and then voting for him .

 

And now I'll go back through and reread to see who I should focus on today.

 

 

Despo lost any credibility he brought to the game as soon as he did a complete 180 going from "I want to focus on inactives" (even though you and I are the ones he targeted) to basically having a hard-on for bullying my train forward. His actions contradict his statements.

 

Wow Ape you sure do spin some complete bs. I don't recall ever saying we should focus on inactives, in fact I was saying it was too early to do that. My actions don't contradict squat, you're just shotgunning out as many weak defenses and lies as you can to try and produce as much WIFOM as possible. What you don't get is that you're not just dodging the noose in this game bro.

 

Zero sense? I already said it once, just because you dont agree with the post, does not make the logic faulty. I saw a claim I did not buy and I voted for it. What more is there to talk about.

 

Also I dont like the Ape train going on right now. Both night kills point to 2 factions setting up Ape for an easy kill, and I would bet money that the people who sent those kills in already have teammates on Ape's train.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it this way. The very first thing that I thought after seeing the kills pop up was that it was way too obvious that the dead people were those Ape had picked out (for lack of a better term). No experienced player would be so blatantly obvious as to who they had killed, which definitely leads me to believe that it's a setup lynch of some sort. And if TWO teams are working to get him out of the game, I'm definitely sensing that they can at least communicate within their ranks, which does not bode well for the rest of us. Those on the train right now would be my best bet for a vote.

 

Well, Amega was a killer - so, he probably shot Verbal or Nolder.

 

If he shot Verbal, it wouldn't have taken much to point at the fact that I was the only one to vote Verbal. But that is flimsy.

 

I'm assuming Amega shot Nolder, Amega mentioned multiple times he wanted to judge me based on how Nolder flipped. Amega is gone, and Crusher seems to be carrying the torch for him now. Doesn't mean Crusher is aligned with Amega. It does mean Crusher is being opportunistic. Nolder flipped Lannister, not scum. We don't know for fact that Nolder could talk to his teammates. Because of this, Crusher is pushing the unsubstantiated and illogical conclusion that Lannisters are the closest thing to scum. With no basis. This is a huge ping.

 

Crusher should be the lynch, without question. He's much too smart to believe what he's saying in order to sustain this play against me right now.

 

Another post I didn't like of Ape's. He's making overt attempts at directing everyone, and in a faction game that's just plainly moronic.

 

Okay, as for everything else that's happened recently...

 

 

What a cluster.

 

Thorum's post def looked weird, but FOS at everyone jumping on his easy bandwagon. So many better targets out there than going for one guy who puts his own neck on the line with that statement. Some even tried throwing out that he might be cult out there, with pretty much no evidence or reasoning. In fact when I have more time I might try to find who did that, they'd prob be our best choice for cult.

 

@aemon: I never went scrubbing through the entire thread looking for who admitted having a QT, but I was curious to find them. Anyways, you claim to have found a few more, but I found your first two examples to be weak and not very conclusive. Only one you brought up that seemed legit was trenchtown rock, but someone else already pointed that out. So basically, looks like you're trying to redirect attention. Should you be alive tomorrow, I'll remember to keep you in my sights.

 

Let's see what else... nothing distinct that I remember being asked of me or anything (except for that I replaced Cosmic), but I will comment on the whole cult issue. Everyone is still thinking in regular mafia mode, where town is on one side, mafia on another, and cult somewhere in between. In this case, yes, cult is a bigger threat. However, this game is nothing like that. There were more than likely a semi-large group of unaligned survivors (prob in the 6-8 range or so), and they weren't there simply to be recruited by the cult. We should all operate on the assumption that every faction has some kind of ability to recruit. They prob can't recruit as easily as cult, but still.

 

And given that we know for a fact that there's multiple recruiting roles out there, it's very easy to see that more than likely faction leaders prob have an ability to protect one of their own members from being recruited. In other words, cult really isn't anywhere near as big of a threat this game. The only threat are those not in your faction, period. If you're unaligned, there's really no reason to fear anyone more than anyone else. I'd say scum is Lannister, and that's a pretty easy assumption to make, so if you want you can focus on getting rid of cult and Lannisters, but you could end up being recruited by Lannisters in the end so there's no telling.

 

Either way, shift out of the town/mafia/cult mindset and get a grip on what's really going on here.

 

Kk, off to band practice, will catch up later

[The Crusher]

First:

 

Key comes out to semi-defend Nol, attacking Red's case at the same time. Key has me worried this game, there were a couple of other posts I didn't grab cause I was already pulling so many, but at one point she came on thread to admonish an inactive, when she's been fairly inactive as well. Add to that the fact that she also brought back up the whole greyjoy argument right when more people were starting to pay attention to Nol. Strong FOS so far at everyone I've quoted.

 

It wasn’t a defense of nol; it was a prod at Red. Saying she was overlooking some of the bigger problems to focus on nol. Felt like she was trying to protect a teammate that had received some heat.

 

Bolded - Are you kidding me Des? I'm definitely in the 10 most active people this game - not at the top of that list, sure, but go back and look at the list of who's posted the most, you'll find I'm closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.

 

If you're referring to specifically yesterday, DM was down when I finally had a few minutes to look at my mafia games, so yeah, I couldn't post yesterday.

 

I also didn't "bring back" the argument. It was still being talked about, so that's why I decided to weigh in. You should get things straight before you post...

 

....like quoting the death scene of nolder and then voting for him .

 

And now I'll go back through and reread to see who I should focus on today.

 

 

GJ linking yourself with Ape, he also used the flub I made voting for Nol to try and belittle and dismiss my case

 

First:

 

Key comes out to semi-defend Nol, attacking Red's case at the same time. Key has me worried this game, there were a couple of other posts I didn't grab cause I was already pulling so many, but at one point she came on thread to admonish an inactive, when she's been fairly inactive as well. Add to that the fact that she also brought back up the whole greyjoy argument right when more people were starting to pay attention to Nol. Strong FOS so far at everyone I've quoted.

 

It wasn’t a defense of nol; it was a prod at Red. Saying she was overlooking some of the bigger problems to focus on nol. Felt like she was trying to protect a teammate that had received some heat.

 

Bolded - Are you kidding me Des? I'm definitely in the 10 most active people this game - not at the top of that list, sure, but go back and look at the list of who's posted the most, you'll find I'm closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.

 

If you're referring to specifically yesterday, DM was down when I finally had a few minutes to look at my mafia games, so yeah, I couldn't post yesterday.

 

I also didn't "bring back" the argument. It was still being talked about, so that's why I decided to weigh in. You should get things straight before you post...

 

....like quoting the death scene of nolder and then voting for him .

 

And now I'll go back through and reread to see who I should focus on today.

 

 

Despo lost any credibility he brought to the game as soon as he did a complete 180 going from "I want to focus on inactives" (even though you and I are the ones he targeted) to basically having a hard-on for bullying my train forward. His actions contradict his statements.

 

Wow Ape you sure do spin some complete bs. I don't recall ever saying we should focus on inactives, in fact I was saying it was too early to do that. My actions don't contradict squat, you're just shotgunning out as many weak defenses and lies as you can to try and produce as much WIFOM as possible. What you don't get is that you're not just dodging the noose in this game bro.

 

Zero sense? I already said it once, just because you dont agree with the post, does not make the logic faulty. I saw a claim I did not buy and I voted for it. What more is there to talk about.

 

Also I dont like the Ape train going on right now. Both night kills point to 2 factions setting up Ape for an easy kill, and I would bet money that the people who sent those kills in already have teammates on Ape's train.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it this way. The very first thing that I thought after seeing the kills pop up was that it was way too obvious that the dead people were those Ape had picked out (for lack of a better term). No experienced player would be so blatantly obvious as to who they had killed, which definitely leads me to believe that it's a setup lynch of some sort. And if TWO teams are working to get him out of the game, I'm definitely sensing that they can at least communicate within their ranks, which does not bode well for the rest of us. Those on the train right now would be my best bet for a vote.

 

Well, Amega was a killer - so, he probably shot Verbal or Nolder.

 

If he shot Verbal, it wouldn't have taken much to point at the fact that I was the only one to vote Verbal. But that is flimsy.

 

I'm assuming Amega shot Nolder, Amega mentioned multiple times he wanted to judge me based on how Nolder flipped. Amega is gone, and Crusher seems to be carrying the torch for him now. Doesn't mean Crusher is aligned with Amega. It does mean Crusher is being opportunistic. Nolder flipped Lannister, not scum. We don't know for fact that Nolder could talk to his teammates. Because of this, Crusher is pushing the unsubstantiated and illogical conclusion that Lannisters are the closest thing to scum. With no basis. This is a huge ping.

 

Crusher should be the lynch, without question. He's much too smart to believe what he's saying in order to sustain this play against me right now.

 

Another post I didn't like of Ape's. He's making overt attempts at directing everyone, and in a faction game that's just plainly moronic.

 

Okay, as for everything else that's happened recently...

 

 

What a cluster.

 

Thorum's post def looked weird, but FOS at everyone jumping on his easy bandwagon. So many better targets out there than going for one guy who puts his own neck on the line with that statement. Some even tried throwing out that he might be cult out there, with pretty much no evidence or reasoning. In fact when I have more time I might try to find who did that, they'd prob be our best choice for cult.

 

@aemon: I never went scrubbing through the entire thread looking for who admitted having a QT, but I was curious to find them. Anyways, you claim to have found a few more, but I found your first two examples to be weak and not very conclusive. Only one you brought up that seemed legit was trenchtown rock, but someone else already pointed that out. So basically, looks like you're trying to redirect attention. Should you be alive tomorrow, I'll remember to keep you in my sights.

 

Let's see what else... nothing distinct that I remember being asked of me or anything (except for that I replaced Cosmic), but I will comment on the whole cult issue. Everyone is still thinking in regular mafia mode, where town is on one side, mafia on another, and cult somewhere in between. In this case, yes, cult is a bigger threat. However, this game is nothing like that. There were more than likely a semi-large group of unaligned survivors (prob in the 6-8 range or so), and they weren't there simply to be recruited by the cult. We should all operate on the assumption that every faction has some kind of ability to recruit. They prob can't recruit as easily as cult, but still.

 

And given that we know for a fact that there's multiple recruiting roles out there, it's very easy to see that more than likely faction leaders prob have an ability to protect one of their own members from being recruited. In other words, cult really isn't anywhere near as big of a threat this game. The only threat are those not in your faction, period. If you're unaligned, there's really no reason to fear anyone more than anyone else. I'd say scum is Lannister, and that's a pretty easy assumption to make, so if you want you can focus on getting rid of cult and Lannisters, but you could end up being recruited by Lannisters in the end so there's no telling.

 

Either way, shift out of the town/mafia/cult mindset and get a grip on what's really going on here.

 

Kk, off to band practice, will catch up later

 

 

Single best post of the game and I agree 100%.

 

So....... Is the ape dead yet?

[John McClane]

Despo, you voted Nolder in the same post where you quoted his coroner report, and in the same post where you lectured us about how important it is to read the coroner reports.

 

Then you told us you don't like to talk setup. Since that exact post, you've proceeded to effuse more setup talk than the rest of the game combined. 3 WoT's all of them delving into conjecture about setup, blah, blah, blah... nothing but a bunch of theories that serve NO good to anyone.

 

Multiple times you said you would do a re-read, and you haven't. I mistook one of the things you said to someone else as a comment about pressuring inactives. That is my bad, because I was skimming your posts - because they are filled with shit.

 

I'm having a very difficult time taking you seriously... even your insinuations that I'm not just trying to dodge the noose. Are you really this desperate to see me dead?

[aemonkristen]

@Desp-

 

Why is everyone assuming all factions are united? I have seen nothing to imply that.

 

I've seen nothing to prove that they are not united, although I do admit that it would be interesting to find out whether that it is true one way or the other. The fact that you bring this up leads me to believe that you might not have a faction. Or that if you do, you don't know who they are. And that means either you are unaligned or something more sinister.

 

He admits here to being in a faction that communicates by saying he has no reason to believe there are factions that cannot. Hardly inconclusive evidence.

 

 

Why is everyone assuming all factions are united? I have seen nothing to imply that.

 

I've seen nothing to prove that they are not united, although I do admit that it would be interesting to find out whether that it is true one way or the other. The fact that you bring this up leads me to believe that you might not have a faction. Or that if you do, you don't know who they are. And that means either you are unaligned or something more sinister.

Note that I said "all factions."

 

Here Paper insinuates that he is on a faction that communicates by stressing that he said "all factions" in his previous post. Again, hardly inconsequential. What is noteworthy is the fact that you are trying to dismiss these others people out of hand.

[Paperblade]

Why is Despothera saying Lannisters are "scum" when their list of enemies is the same as the Greyjoys except with Lannister/Greyjoy switched ?_?

 

Also I don't understand how Cult isn't a bad thing if everyone except maybe King in the Narrow Sea wants them dead.

 

Also also I don't understand the assumptions he's making (all factions can recruit?). I will agree that people making town/mafia arguments don't understand the game but you seem to be forgetting (ignoring?) that 2-3 factions are enemies with everyone else as far as we know.

[keyholder21]

I didn't align myself with Ape, Des. Although you seem to be trying to link me to him by saying that. I refuted what you had said about me (which btw you didn't comment in the fact that I'm not inactive at ALL). Yhen, I made a little joke about something you did, I didn't say anything about discounting you because of it.