Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

[Blackhoof]

mwa ah ah ah ha!

 

my evil plan worked! now that everyone is thinking about cookies i can bake poisoned ones and they shall be too cookie-crazy to be suspicious until it is too late!

 

mwa ha ha ha!

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT (probably the only one you'll get today)

 

Red (1) -- Nolder

 

BG (5) -- Turin, Song, Basel, Mynd, Hoof

 

Mynd (1) -- Ama

 

Nolder (1) -- Red

 

Hoof (1) -- Aemon

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Not Voting: Ishy, BG, Amega

 

That is L-2

[Nolder]

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

[Songstress]

BG isn't scum just because he PM'd Mynd. Anyone who's played with BG before knows that he's devious, whether as town or as scum. Was it scummy? I don't think so, Kae gave us the ability to communicate outside the game, so why wouldn't he, or any of us for that matter, take her up on it? If it's available to us, it's the same as having the ability to vote, it's a game mechanic, use it if you want.

 

Now, that being said, do I trust him? Not as far as I can throw him, of course not. Then again, I don't trust any of you at this point, nor should I. And as far as BG is concerned, he's one of the better players here, so until he's vetted, I trust him less than most, but the fact that he PM'd Mynd means less than nothing to me. I wish I had thought of it, maybe I would have done it too. Getting any kind of info, in any way possible, is something any of us should think to do.

 

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

OK. Maybe it's just my lack of experience (with much of anything, much less games with free communication)... but the way I see it is just because it's allowed doesn't mean it's necessarily in the best interests of the town. Perhaps if you think there's someone you can trust to plot with behind the scenes -- but at this stage, how do you know who to trust? Only mafia is going to know 100% who's trustworthy, and for town, anything someone else tells you has to be taken with a huge grain of salt until they're proven one way or the other. Getting information that others can't use may help you, but it seems like selfish play, and selfish is... suspicious. In my newb opinion. For what THAT is worth, which admittedly is... enough to keep Nolder from trying to lynch me for now >.<

[Nolder]

being able to communicate off thread is a very powerful tool

especially when you consider that one or more townies are confirmed and can plot away from the mafias knowledge and can gather claims in secret and can look for counter claims

but it really relies on the skill of the player using it to make full effect of it

it can be absolutely devastating to scum if used correctly

[aemonkristen]

Frankly, I do not find BG suspicious. On the contrary, I find Mynd's reaction to the instigating PM to be one of an uncharacteristic nature. Uncharacteristic enough that I would be amenable to casting my vote on him for the purpose of applying pressure. I also find Blackhoof's vote on Mynd to be suspicious due to the lack of strength behind his reasoning and the unfocused content of the post in which he cast the aforementioned vote. As a deadline has not yet been set, I am comfortable with my vote remaining on Blackhoof for the time being.

[Songstress]

being able to communicate off thread is a very powerful tool

especially when you consider that one or more townies are confirmed and can plot away from the mafias knowledge and can gather claims in secret and can look for counter claims

but it really relies on the skill of the player using it to make full effect of it

it can be absolutely devastating to scum if used correctly

 

>.>

 

<.<

 

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>.<

 

Newbie's head explodes, film at 11...

 

Don't mind me, just betraying my utter lack of understanding. Guess the lack of certainty right now about who to trust is driving me slightly nuts. Having to second guess EVERYTHING except myself is... nerve wracking. I suppose later in the game I may see a circumstance where it makes sense. :P

 

Posting from my phone on my break at work, hope this actually goes through.

[amegakure]

So i dont see how this is bg buisness is scummy. If i remember correctly Mynd was quite grieved over not being able to pm people in games. Now i do agree that pms would highly profit the mafia side, But theyre are still profits for town if the people involved are reliable. I dont think im going to join this wagon purely becuase a lynch is being driven by mynd because he got pm'd. And because BG was observing the game, I think bg tends to do this alot.

[Myndrunner]

Again, I do not object to BGristinko attempting to communicate with me via PMs. As some of you know, I had already talked with a couple of you on PMs prior to this, and I haven't posted anything about that. I'm all for using behind the scenes communication as a tool to hide plans from the mafia.

 

What disturbs me the most is what BG was trying to do in his PM. His PM reeked of 1) rolefishing without appearing to be rolefishing and 2) distancing himself from Turin, or trying to point me at him. Either way, he pushed way too hard in an initial PM to me. If I was going to start communication with someone who dropped a pretty good hint as to who they are, I would have been a lot more cautious.

 

Bottom line - in mafia, the scum come at you with smiles not daggers.

[Myndrunner]

I didn't get it the first few times, is Songstress a newbie?

[aemonkristen]

Since you bring it up, the constant posts about being a newbie are starting to ping me as well. It's starting to look like a sympathy ploy.

[Myndrunner]

Since you bring it up, the constant posts about being a newbie are starting to ping me as well. It's starting to look like a sympathy ploy.

 

You know that whole thing about the mafia having a guilty conscience.....its as if Songstress feels all eyes on her when no one has really been worried about her....until now.

[amegakure]

i believe shes only been in two games this being her second. It could be a possible ploy... i see people react to this game in different ways though.

[Nolder]

honestly I think she's too newbie to think to use that as a ploy

or maybe not

I'm not gonna hold it against her right now though

 

mafia is a tough game to learn and I don't want to bully someone into disliking it by going hard on them their first game (honestly the way she described her other game...it didn't sound like much of a game)

it's true you get better by playing with a better crowd and by being challenged but at the same time she IS new and bound to make mistakes

 

the lesson to learn here Songstress is try not to make bids for sympathy or point out your flaws

to most people it will seem like you're just covering for scummy action

[Myndrunner]

A ploy is when someone consciously posts something or does something in an attempt to distract or fool their opponent.

 

Where many mafia end up revealing themselves in countless games is when they subconsciously do something scummy. Remember, they are the only ones who know who are scum and who are not. This also eats at their conscience subconsciously, so even the best of us are constantly questioning if what they post has revealed them or not.

 

Newbies who are on the scum team tend to overcompensate by constantly reinforcing the fact that they are new, as if its to explain their scummy behavior even if no one is watching.

 

I believe this is the case with Songstress.

[Nolder]

subconsciously?

 

could be I guess

like I said I'm not going to lynch her for it but I'll definitely be looking at her posts closer as the game moves on

[Songstress]

Lol... this may be the thing I will enjoy least...being afraid to use my usual self deprecating humor because of everyone else overanalyzing it. But also not wanting to sit back and say nothing because that also looks suspicious. I am doomed.

[amegakure]

That is the game we call mafia...get use to it...if not.....

[Levity]

I don't know if this is something we should look especially into... at least not in this case /:

Watch it though, Songstress, people get especially wary of that kind of thing here.

[Red2111]

i dislike this whole PM between BG and Mynd. it reeks of a gambit.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: MYND

 

i fele that Mynd is the scummier one. it feels liek he's tryign to use this to help cement a townie apperance by "being open and honest" with us on thread. i also agree, that it's wierd he directly posted it instead of using it to try and get more of a feel for BG.

 

this, and the fact that BG's wagon has buit so fast, is why i'm voting Mynd over him.

 

 

as for BG's part in this, i'm not putting it past both of these guys to be doing this to try and clear either one or the other. like i said, i get the feeling this is some elaborate gambit between the two of them.

 

 

 

also Nol, either get a case agaisnt me or stop advocating my lynch, which you're still doing. a case on Meta is weaker than a wall built out of cotton frankly, it's getting old.

[Nolder]

it's funny how you're so worried about one vote

I like my vote where it is thanks

[Nolder]

you have a point about Mynd though

 

although I wonder if it's not some super gambit between THREE scum

that would be devious and something I can see the three of you cooking up

really taking advantage of the game mechanics eh?

if BG were scum and Mynd was town why wouldn't he just deny that he ever sent the PM and claim Mynd is trying to incriminate him?

maybe because the entire thing hinges on him admitting to it eh?

 

or maybe not

I do often get these crazy ideas for what the scum could be doing and it's usually far more complex and than what is actually happening

I'm not going to let myself get fixated on my crazy idea this game but I'll definitely watch to see how you three interact in the future

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

[amegakure]

so im feeling torn. Red has a good point on mynd and im inclined to vote him.

 

But nolders post has the feel as if he is making fun of reds post. It brings up the point that red and Mynd could be in cahoots! So the way im looking at this like so: If Bg's town then this makes it much more likely for mynd and red to be scum: If Bgs town it points more to mynd being scum...That and he basically has lead this lynch on bg, Altough i will continue to keep watch on red if so... im Gona take a minute to decide who to vote

[Myndrunner]

Or maybe I really do find it suspicious.

[Blackhoof]

FoS Hoof for bandwagoning like that

 

what do you expect on Day 1? a WoT case a page long? unfortunately on day 1 we must vote for the person we think is SCUMMIEST, not who we are 100% certain are scum. that is what I am doing

 

the rest of you...I think you honestly believe it was scummy because you don't have much experience with games with free communication so until I have better reads I'm letting you off the hook

 

like mynd said, the mere act of using the free communication thing was not very scummy, it was the content that was scummy. in conjunction with BG's open lurkyness. i dont like lurkyness.....

 

but Hoofs vote was opportunistic and screams of rushing to get the day over with and securing a lynch on a very good player

 

what does it matter if he is good? he is either an asset or a threat, and if he is acting scummy, the chances of him actually beign a threat increase.

 

I also never ever like it when people put votes in posts with big images

it always seems like they're trying to hide

 

do you think i am.... compensating for something?

 

I will be watching closely to see who votes BG after Hoof

 

I'm not going to change my vote as of yet because even if Hoof is her partner I believe Red is the more dangerous player here and it'd be much better if we got rid of her early as she's generally more capable of smooth talking her way out of a lynch than Hoof

I'm also giving Hoof the day to get his act together just in case this is one of those moments where he's incredibly scummy even though he's actually town

 

so your argument to defend BG is "no no hes a good player" and your argument agaisnt red is "yes, kill her, she is a good player!"....

 

seems like you are either distancing from an ally or trying to get a townie lynched.... either one is bad.

 

 

you have a point about Mynd though

 

although I wonder if it's not some super gambit between THREE scum

that would be devious and something I can see the three of you cooking up

really taking advantage of the game mechanics eh?

if BG were scum and Mynd was town why wouldn't he just deny that he ever sent the PM and claim Mynd is trying to incriminate him?

maybe because the entire thing hinges on him admitting to it eh?

 

or maybe not

I do often get these crazy ideas for what the scum could be doing and it's usually far more complex and than what is actually happening

I'm not going to let myself get fixated on my crazy idea this game but I'll definitely watch to see how you three interact in the future

 

who is the third player?

 

although there should be no future for Red because we should lynch her today

let's get off BG and do that ok guys? ok cool

 

you seem to be sarcastic..... but you might be serious..... very strange and scummy behavious, nolder.

 

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