Wombat's Basic Mafia v. 2.0.1

[SBoydW]

I'm with Mynd on this guys, If you think he's scum vote him. But don't vote him out just because of his play style.

[aemonkristen]

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

You've been a lot less active in this thread than most of the other players. I'd say that's laying low to me. You suddenly pop up when you see an opportunity to get me lynched because of issues that may be unrelated to the game.

 

I guess you still haven't checked the timestamps?

I'm less active now than in earlier games (which already started before my hiatus), because that over-activity led to me being lynched consistently on day 3 or 4 (whether I'm mafia or town).

 

This post bothered me alot. Also the one before it, but I'll get to that in a moment. Thorum, you denied inactivity and asked people to look at the timestamps of your posts. I have no idea why you believe timestamps affect activity, but I went ahead and checked. I also counted your posts to check activity. All your posts are conveniently quoted below so everyone can check timestamps to their heart's content. What I see is that you made an opening check in post on the 14th with a vote on Graendal's Favorite, on the 15th, you changed your vote to Red (both early morning posts) and then nothing until just now when you hit us with a flurry of activity trying to push everyone to vote Mynd. And then, in your final post, you accuse Mynd of not checking the timestamps on your 2 posts and immediately explain that you actually are laying low because of getting lynched early because of too much activity. Why are you fixated on the timestamps and why do you then claim that it is for a different reason entirely that you have not posted frequently? All of this reeks of scum trying to push a lynch on a controversial townie by pushing emotional buttons and putting him in the vote lead close to deadline. Thorum is screaming scum to me right now.

 

VOTE THORUM

 

Here are all of Thorum's posts with their time stamps:

 

 

I'm here too. And I dislike not having voted: Graendals favourite

 

 

I'll unvote and vote red

 

Two reasons:

- his/her death would reveal most (due to strange behavior by both Mynd and SBoy...)

- levity seems to be getting a vote train against him/her. I don't want that so soon, so I'm adding a second option.

 

 

I'll unvote and vote Mynd.

 

My reasoning has been given by mmeesh:

 

Mynd can squeeze some good stuff out of people's posts, I'll grant him that, but I think sometimes he makes a big deal out of nothing, or gives false representations of what's going on as part of his accusations toward other people. It's distracting, in those instances.

This is his way of playing, but I believe (as I always have) that it is more often counter-productive, since he wants accusations of his to finish into a lynch, whether or not they touch solid ground. I played like that in the beginning too, so no offense. It just isn't the good way of playing mafia, so it warrants my vote.

 

As to the "amega-case": it all sums up to him/her being human. I've never played with amega, so don't know how he/she plays, but I've seen stranger behavior before.

 

 

I thought Thorum's post where he voted Red was a bit odd. Wanting to keep trains at equal length seems innocuous enough a reason, since I think he was saying that it looked like Levity was going to be the prevailing lynch candidate and he thought it was a bit early for that (personal interpretation there XD)

Correct interpretation.

 

 

Mynd, 3 things:

 

- my name is not popping up. Check the vote list

 

- I think your way of working is counter-productive to finding real mafia. And a lot of people listen to whoever posts loudest.

 

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

 

 

Also, day 1 ends in 19 hours, so we should be having 2 or 3 candidates for the lynch by now

 

Mynd and Levity have each gotten 3 votes. So I suggest everyone not in one of those "voted for" lists to choose who we want to lose.

 

 

Levity, this is Mynd's way of playing. He believes it works (and I don't have the time to check if it really doesn't).

 

One piece of advise: don't take it personally. Read what he said about amega earlier in this game (and what he will say about the rest of us if we let him), and you'll notice he isn't singling you out.

 

 

He's voting you because, at this stage of the game it's probably you or him.

 

 

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

You've been a lot less active in this thread than most of the other players. I'd say that's laying low to me. You suddenly pop up when you see an opportunity to get me lynched because of issues that may be unrelated to the game.

 

I guess you still haven't checked the timestamps?

I'm less active now than in earlier games (which already started before my hiatus), because that over-activity led to me being lynched consistently on day 3 or 4 (whether I'm mafia or town).

[bgrishinko]

I remember getting pretty frustrated with Mynd my first game with him and going after him for days.... We worked it out eventually once I figured out the tactic he was using. It is quite ingenious.

 

That being said, at this point, I'm not really sure about Mynd or Levity but we need info from this lynch. I'm not seeing much out of the ordinary from Mynd. Poke here, poke there, wait for a reaction. I do think we have a better chance to learn something from Levity, for better or worse.

 

Vote Levity

[Red2111]

WoT inbound, up to Page 6. will get caught up to page 8 later today hopefully.

 

 

Red pulls an Amega and votes me OMGUS declaring that her reasons are TO BE CONTINUED.... Funny thing is I didn't even really vote her, I never unvoted (as the Mod pointed out) but my current vote is on Amega, yet Red still takes offense? Maybe it is because I've pointed out the discrepancy in her behavior? You see, Red typically comes out guns blazing with some rather effective (albeit TLDR) casings when she is town.

 

In this game she's holding back....but Amega's silence speaks louder than anything right now.

 

theres other ways to push a lynch on a person other than placing your vote on them Mynd. you're constantly harping that my inactivity is a scum tactic; using it to try and breadcrumb a case on me to use later for a lynch on me. i say this, because of the meta you keep bringing up as supposed "ecivedence" for why you keep harping on me.

 

bloody right i'm going to take the offense when i see a person breadcrumbing the start of a case on me and planting seeds about me to others purely on meta.

 

 

 

Mynd are you skimming on purpose in this game?? i put a crib notes version of why i voted you, i also stated that i'll get to the casings once i get the time (ie: RL and work are buisy)

 

first you push my lynch based on inactivitey over the weekand and claim i'm lurking on purpose. now your pushing again because i didn't do a WoT due to time constraints.

 

@Red: One could skim your posts in this game and still read every word. You're not paying attention and using offline activities as an excuse. For one, I never actually voted you, my vote didn't count. Had you been paying attention, you would have seen my focus on Amega (and my reasons for voting him).

 

Then one begs the question, why come after me when there are those with actual votes against you to defend. I pointed out that your lack of activity was contrary to your normal playstyle, which is truth.

 

because your the only one really pushing at me right now. Thorum is still in my sites, so dont worry darling i'm not just tunneling in on you.

 

also, i'm not using them as an excuse, just explaining why i'm not active. sorry, if it comes between playing Mafia or enjoying time with Bubba (who i don't get to really see anymore sense he works graveyard shift now) Bubba will win every time. same goes for work or playing Mafia; mafia doens't put food on the table but seriously Mynd, drop the Meta-evidence, it's weak. come back with soemthign more concrete, unless you have nothign and are just reaching for straws.

 

 

also, once again, i take major issue with that "vote". very sneaky and manipulative. imo, it's not somethign a townie would do to try and stir the pot. it scream scum all over it sweetie; even more so than Thorums opportunistc vote on me

 

 

sounds like your trying to push the train on me while you can without me being here like i normally am. one might question why you want me gone so badly

 

Again, who is pushing what train here? For one, I found it interesting how some reacted to my non-vote of you, instantly putting Levity up one vote to keep you from being the lead lynch target. To me, that screams of someone defending you.

 

again, theres other ways to push a lynch on someone other than throwing your vote on them Mynd. your pushing a train on me by keeping part of your focus on me and continuly insinuating that my lack of normal play (or what you see as normal seeing as my play style has changed since we last played together) is a scum tell.

 

 

as for Boyo's vote, i took it as him wanting a competing train not as him defending me. what do you have against competing trains Mynd??

 

 

hmmmm. Over defensive no. inexperience..perhaps..is that an excuse no. i missed the 4th page when i posted. ops i made a mistake. Either way i explained in my post that the only worthwhile thing i saw on red was that she wasn't being super active. That doesn't ping me so much. And there's nothing in the 4th page that would make me vote levity. So why would i follow you with my "blinders" on and help kill someone i believe innocent. Ak you also posted no reasons to change my mind on the 4th page. So think what you will if you must.

 

and with this post, Amega offically strikes me as a defensive townie. though i dislike the flinging of the "inexperience/newbie" card. feels like he's trying to garner sympathy to him agaisnt Mynd & Aemon.

 

 

 

its not a scum tell just the only thing at the time that popped out. You saying that either way you reply would make you look scummy. well man up and reply if you missed it you did. If you ignored it then thats pretty scummy. its us to decide. Also as i have stated, the 4th page gave me no reason to change my vote.

 

You are being way too defensive for your own good. What are your thoughts on Levity defending you when she's also at risk for a lynch?

 

MAJOR PING!!! and no one said a word abotu it.

 

 

seriously, this entire post by Mynd stinks to high heaven. i dislike the sudden switch of focus from Levity to Amega. it gives me the rub of a scumster trying to distance himself from the lynch of a townie he helped build up honestly. especially the underlined part, which is the main reason Mynd and Aemon went on the attack against Amega in the first place.

 

so first his defensive behaviour is scummy, now its damning and your tryign to be the good guy and sway him away from such behavior.

 

 

seriously, about the scummiest post in the game so far.

 

 

I'm going to be gone for the rest of tonight. I guess I'll just have to say that Boyo and Amadine are both pinging me a little, probably mostly due to vibes. Amega could go either way for me--it's possible he and Red may both be on a scumteam, since Red is also making me a bit wary.

 

don't let Mynd get to you, his play style is agressive, but he's really a fun guy to play with (in and out of Mafia). everythign he says in game is really tongue in cheek and not perosnal.

 

that said; why link me with Amega and why am i making you wary??

 

 

@Amega- What I find interesting is that with two competing trains and a chance to put some pressure on people, you decide to vote for someone who has no votes because that person did not respond to an obvious poke. Perhaps there is a reason you do not want to vote for Red and Levity? Is it possible you have information the rest of us do not?

 

this is an interesting post, quite the fisherman there, Aemon.

 

Not fishing. Just calling him scum.

 

stop trying to call a sugar coated turd a donought. you were fishing for a role, not just calling him scum. why deny it?

 

btw, i also dislike how you've faded into the background and let Mynd take the lead. i'd love to see more pressure on you

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: AEMON

 

 

 

 

underlined - interesting you jump to this conclusion, there are roles that are town that get info during the day.

Just as an aside, this IS a basic game. It's not up to us to say exactly what constitutes "basic" in any particular game, naturally, but I personally feel that it's a pretty safe assumption to make that there aren't any roles like that in this game.

 

i've seen mason's in basic games, and that qualifies as a role that has info the rest of us dont. i just find his equating Aemons rolefishing directly to scum to be a sign of a guilty concious is all. no much to case him against, but i did want to poitn it out.

 

 

I think that's the best case and evidence we have seen presented so far, and i see an actual reason to vote here. VOTE AMEGA

 

 

Bandwagony to me.

 

Vote Amadine

 

A second vote on a player is bandwagony? *makes a note for later* Very opportunistic vote there BG, and interesting that you have not commented on other happenings so far.

 

 

hmmmm. Over defensive no. inexperience..perhaps..is that an excuse no. i missed the 4th page when i posted. ops i made a mistake. Either way i explained in my post that the only worthwhile thing i saw on red was that she wasn't being super active. That doesn't ping me so much. And there's nothing in the 4th page that would make me vote levity. So why would i follow you with my "blinders" on and help kill someone i believe innocent. Ak you also posted no reasons to change my mind on the 4th page. So think what you will if you must.

 

My bold

 

Amega you have been playing this game for a long time. You have been in a lot of games that i have played in - sorry - but you don't get to pull the newbie card anymore. And even though you admitted yourself that it's not an excuse - you did so after planting the seed that you are inexperienced in the game. My vote stands.

 

 

first, Ama brings up a great point abotu BG. i dislike a quiet BG, it makes me uneasy. theres plenty for him to post thoughts on, his silence in this matter is almost enough to warrent a vote *POKES BG*

 

second - Ama said it better than i did about the inexperienced card flinging by Amega.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Myndrunner (4): mmeeshal, Red2111, Thorum, Levity

Levity (4): Christine, Mr. Soy Boyo, Myndrunner, bgrishinko

Christine (1): Sakaea

aemonkristen (2): amegakure, Red2111

amegakure (1): Amadine

Thorum (1): aemonkristen

 

7 to lynch

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=1&day=18&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=43

[Sakaea]

O Mod, Red seems to have a vote on 2 different people....

 

Unvote, Vote Aemon

 

I don't think either Mynd or Levity is scum, personally. I'm voting Aemon to hopefully give us a third option here, and because even tho I haven't played with Aemon much, how he's played so far seems off to me. Red is right, he's done a fade and let Mynd take the lead. It's easy for scum to let townies draw attention to themselves, like I think Mynd is doing. With the DL in just under 12 hours, we have to achieve a lynch today, and I don't think Mynd or Levity is it.

[Red2111]

and heres page 7. so still not caught up

 

The vote on you was an attempt to see if anyone would dogpile onto the vote.

 

i get that, but i still think that the "vote without actually voting" is scummy

 

 

When Soy voted Levity with his "interesting" response, he wasn't voting because he thought Levity was mafia. He was voting to keep things interesting, which looks a lot like adding a vote to a competing thread to keep you safe. Make sense? It's what I would do if I were mafia and you were on my scum team. Thorum did the same thing with his vote on you.

 

Boyo's vote left no interpretation imo. it was clearly a vote to keep the competing trains going; which could be done as either alignment imo. Thorums vote otoh was more than just keepign the trains rolling; he stated that my lynch of Levis woudl bring more info, something i've asked him to clarify and he has yet to do and is what i really have beef about with his vote on me.

 

 

Red, you know my playstyle and why I do things. Its little to do with what I say but how people react.

 

i know *nods* but at the same time, your also doing scumtastic things like reaching, blowing things out of proportion and linking people left and right. it's these things i'm finding scummy, not your play style.

 

 

We have some scum-hunt-worthy reactions already. Scum know they are scum and, like in poker, they can't help but show their tells. Veteran mafia players have learned how to hide these tells, but behaviors alter when one is scum. The way people case, vote, and who they go after can always tell a lot about them, even on Day 1. I'm preaching to the choir I know, but votes are always cast with a reason....I question those who don't share theirs clearly.

 

and i happen to disagree with your push against Amega's vote. i can see and understand why he would vote Aemon and agree with his vote Aemon(i've been callign for pressure on Aemon for a reason you know) especially since he didn't see a viable lynch in either myself or Levi at the time.

 

 

 

(Out of character) I'll be more than happy to discuss leaving ones emotions out of a game like Mafia with anyone privately. I have a lot of thoughts on this issue as I have played my fair share of games and those of you who do know me can likely vouch that out of game, I'm at least tolerable. Like Poker, Basketball, or even Curling, this is just a game and as long as the Mod deems it kosher, anything posted in said game thread should be taken as gameplay. Nothing should be taken personal as it is not meant as such.

Pfft, I get what you're saying, Mynd, but I think it's better for everyone all around when people refrain from saying things that could be misunderstood as personal attacks. Basically, if you KNOW the person and you KNOW they won't mind you calling them a complete idiot, that's one thing. But if you don't know someone and they don't know you and you say something that looks like a personal insult and it isn't clear that it's all in good fun, don't be surprised if they misunderstand. Unless you put a big "" next to it, my stance has always been that anything resembling a personal insult should be left out of the game because there is too much room for misinterpretation.

 

I sense Meesh is trying to exploit Levity's threat of quitting because of meany-head mynd as an opportunity to get an easy lynch on a townie. Has she really done any casing at all in this game? Why suddenly show up now but quiet herself on everything else going on in the game?

To finish what I was saying above, no exploitation here--I was legitimately unhappy with your remark. I don't like personal insults. I've seen people get ganged up on in games, by half the players and the mod, even, and I don't care what that person's alignment is, it's insensitive and I don't stand for it. I always say something when I feel like someone is being attacked personally.

 

Honestly, my stance is that if you're not legitimately insulting someone (in which case someone needs to tell you to go jump off a cliff if you can't knock it off), you're probably scum trying to discredit someone by making them look stupid or ridiculous. I've been the victim of that myself; it was the single most frustrating experience I've ever had in a mafia game.

 

I never can see a reason for town to go and slap down a personal insult, even if it's "in the spirit of the game"--if you're probing for reactions, well, you're gonna find them, regardless of a person's alignment, when you insult them about things unrelated to the game. And how does it point to someone as scum if they're upset because you told them they're stupid? That's just human nature, mate.

 

Folks, this is scum-hunting. We have a couple players who are overreacting to simple questions, and two on the ropes. One is threatening to quit because she got caught defending her fellow scum and is trying to ploy people into getting onto her side. I think she was sensing us closing in on both her and Amega....I think a lynch of one will shed a lot of light on the other.

 

Amega is continuing to backpedal after being caught slipping a vote on AK. I am less intrigued by his scrambling but more so by the chain of defense. I've never seen anyone defend other players so openly. Remember, only the mafia know who is scum and who isn't at this point, so when one person defends the player not the issue, take note.

 

I'm keeping my vote on Amega for now. I'd like to know if Meesh has bothered to case anyone besides me at this point.

To the last point--nope. Haven't. Haven't really cased you, either--the closest I've come to that is just now when I said "you're either going too far or you're scum, IMO."

 

To the bold: um, so does the thought ever cross your mind that maybe you're jumping at shadows, then?

 

^^ ditto on what Mmeesh said.

 

 

I thought Thorum's post where he voted Red was a bit odd. Wanting to keep trains at equal length seems innocuous enough a reason, since I think he was saying that it looked like Levity was going to be the prevailing lynch candidate and he thought it was a bit early for that (personal interpretation there XD), but his first statement that lynching Red would give information on Myndrunner and Boyo didn't make as much sense to me. More accurately, I suppose, he said that Mynd and Boyo were behaving strangely concerning Red. Regardless, I'm not really seeing it.

 

emphasis to the bolded. and as of yet i haven't seen Thorum explain what he meant by that to my satisfaction.

 

 

First, there is never such a thing as a joke vote. Even on "Day 1 Randomness" there is always a play. Believe me when I say that the mafia are well aware of what they are doing from their first post. Are we truly going to ignore this?

 

too right!!

 

 

Second, there were strong arguments being made for both Levity and Red at this point, but Amega swooped in, ignoring both, and voted AK for vague reasons, not even bothering to read page 4.

 

your gonna have to prove that one Mynd. up until Amega voted for Aemon there wasnt any stong arguments being made for lynches other that you beating the grass and looking for reactions.

 

 

 

I make this vote change not only for defense, but I also think its the right move for us.

unvote

 

Vote Levity

 

All emotions aside, she has defended Amega even when her own neck has been on the line. She knows more than she's saying and when confronted, she melted down. Scum know they are scum and I am confident that this whole mess has been crocodile tears.

 

using Meta here *cringe* i hate meta!! but using meta, i dont' think those are crocodile tears but more of Levi being honest. also, i take issue with the underlined.

 

1st - i didn't really see her defending Amega as much as explaining herself.

 

2nd - using this as a way to paint her as scum is wonky imo. i've never bought into scum sticking their necks out for one another openly onthe game thread, makes it too easy to connect them later on in the game.

 

 

 

Mynd, 3 things:

 

- my name is not popping up. Check the vote list

 

it's popping up alot in convo. skimmers and scum only pay attention to the vote list *gives thorum the stink eye*

 

- I think your way of working is counter-productive to finding real mafia. And a lot of people listen to whoever posts loudest.

 

unless that loud poster has a rep like Mynd, then we're still wary of what the gitt says. and his style (along with my own, sense i mentored after him and he's the main reaosn i turned more agressive) has it's upside and downside. me, i've had pretty even results in nailing scum versus town with a more agressive play style like Mynds. it all depends on how youuse it and how well you know your own faults in this game.

- check the timestamps before accusing someone of inactivity. Unless sleeping or going out counts as mafia-like behavior

 

yep, it is and you know it!! scumster!!!

 

responses in blue! *continues to poke Thorum until he explains how my lynch would give info on Mynd and Boyo at the time of his original vote on me*

[Levity]

Okay, so after getting some sleep I feel kinda... silly.

 

I can't switch votes right now because tags don't work on my phone

but to Red: I actually don't feel as wary of you anymore, and especially more wary of Aemon. That wasn't a very good vote hop. <_<

[Levity]

oh, that wasn't Aemon's vote hop, it was BG's.

 

... Does anyone feel strange about BG, too? Under the radar, hasn't really had as much to contribute, then suddenly pops in to make Mynd's train yet again even with mine? This really rubs me the wrong way. Ugh.

[bgrishinko]

oh, that wasn't Aemon's vote hop, it was BG's.

 

... Does anyone feel strange about BG, too? Under the radar, hasn't really had as much to contribute, then suddenly pops in to make Mynd's train yet again even with mine? This really rubs me the wrong way. Ugh.

 

Well, I didn't really expect it to rub you the right way.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Myndrunner (3): mmeeshal, Thorum, Levity

Levity (4): Christine, Mr. Soy Boyo, Myndrunner, bgrishinko

aemonkristen (3): amegakure, Red2111, Sakaea

amegakure (1): Amadine

Thorum (1): aemonkristen

 

7 to lynch

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=1&day=18&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=43

[Thorum]

This post bothered me alot. Also the one before it, but I'll get to that in a moment. Thorum, you denied inactivity and asked people to look at the timestamps of your posts. I have no idea why you believe timestamps affect activity, but I went ahead and checked. I also counted your posts to check activity. All your posts are conveniently quoted below so everyone can check timestamps to their heart's content. What I see is that you made an opening check in post on the 14th with a vote on Graendal's Favorite, on the 15th, you changed your vote to Red (both early morning posts) and then nothing until just now when you hit us with a flurry of activity trying to push everyone to vote Mynd. And then, in your final post, you accuse Mynd of not checking the timestamps on your 2 posts and immediately explain that you actually are laying low because of getting lynched early because of too much activity. Why are you fixated on the timestamps and why do you then claim that it is for a different reason entirely that you have not posted frequently? All of this reeks of scum trying to push a lynch on a controversial townie by pushing emotional buttons and putting him in the vote lead close to deadline. Thorum is screaming scum to me right now.

 

VOTE THORUM

First about that last line: Why vote someone with 0 votes at 10 hours from deadline, when 7 are needed, and two people have 4 votes on them? Unless you want a no-vote, by which you could simply be inactive, like some others.

 

My week so far (this is the very last time I'll do this):

- week-end: I had a christmas party at the sea (3h train/bus from here, so I stayed to sleep there). I knew game started Saturday, so I checked in. Sunday I was at home for about 90 minutes before going out.

 

- Monday: I had a lot of work at work, but work I LOVED to do. So I worked Monday. Getting home, I didn't put my pc back on. I'm really sorry for that

- Tuesday: I had a couple of small projects to finish in the morning, so could keep up with the posts on here. In the afternoon I had a few appointments. And in about 15 minutes, my pc will go out again.

Any more stupid questions?

 

What I used to do in almost all my earlier games (excepting the about 5 last ones before my hiatus), was obsessively checking this threat every hour, and posting whenever I thought I had something to say. Which ALWAYS got me lynched day 3-4. In one of those final games, I made it till the last day, so this seems a better tactic.

 

I thought Thorum's post where he voted Red was a bit odd. Wanting to keep trains at equal length seems innocuous enough a reason, since I think he was saying that it looked like Levity was going to be the prevailing lynch candidate and he thought it was a bit early for that (personal interpretation there XD), but his first statement that lynching Red would give information on Myndrunner and Boyo didn't make as much sense to me. More accurately, I suppose, he said that Mynd and Boyo were behaving strangely concerning Red. Regardless, I'm not really seeing it.

emphasis to the bolded. and as of yet i haven't seen Thorum explain what he meant by that to my satisfaction.

They had, in the posts before this one, both tried to start a bandwagon on you (I don't remember which, but one of them ended up voting someone else).

 

 

Mynd, 3 things:

 

- my name is not popping up. Check the vote list

 

it's popping up alot in convo. skimmers and scum only pay attention to the vote list *gives thorum the stink eye*

About the same as could be expected by someone with the activity I had (hence the rise today, probably :( )

 

- I think your way of working is counter-productive to finding real mafia. And a lot of people listen to whoever posts loudest.

 

unless that loud poster has a rep like Mynd, then we're still wary of what the gitt says. and his style (along with my own, sense i mentored after him and he's the main reaosn i turned more agressive) has it's upside and downside. me, i've had pretty even results in nailing scum versus town with a more agressive play style like Mynds. it all depends on how youuse it and how well you know your own faults in this game.

 

It's been a long time since I last played, so I don't know of any reputation he built up since then. Like I said, I haven't seen any kind of proof of his method either working or not.

[Graendals favourite]

I agree with Aemon, vote Thorum

[Thorum]

Looks like some people don't want a lynch.

 

I'll unvote and vote aemon. Because we need a lynch, and his is the only one that could still gain momentum (apart from mine, which I obviously won't help). And he may well be scum (see my first line, two posts above this one)

 

Graendal, you're inactive all the time, until 9 houres from deadline, when you make a FOURTH voting option possible. Why? Not on your inactivity, but on the second part. Secondly, have you even read my post?

[Sakaea]

Definite FOS at GF. Inactive, then a vote that does no good (probably) with a DL in 9-ish hours.

[aemonkristen]

Thorum's meltdown has me convinced that my vote is in the right place. His first excuse for inactivity was "check the timestamps", his second was "playing actively gets me killed early" and now he runs out his week's itinerary as his excuse for not being around and says "for the last time", implying that he has stated his itinerary to us before. That is obviously a false statement that is intended to convince the players that are not paying attention that I am badgering him about a topic he has responded to on numerous occasions. He then refers to my inquiries as "stupid questions", trying to reinforce the idea that the problem had already been discussed and finished before I called him out on it. And to top it all off, with the vote count at 3 for Myn, 4 for Levity and 3 for me, he jumps off Mynd's train to jump on mine with the stated reason:

 

Looks like some people don't want a lynch.

 

I'll unvote and vote aemon. Because we need a lynch, and his is the only one that could still gain momentum (apart from mine, which I obviously won't help). And he may well be scum (see my first line, two posts above this one)

 

Graendal, you're inactive all the time, until 9 houres from deadline, when you make a FOURTH voting option possible. Why? Not on your inactivity, but on the second part. Secondly, have you even read my post?

 

I have put the sentence in bold that I would like to address. with the three competing trains, I don't see how he can state that mine "is the only one that could still gain momentum" apart from his own (which was only at 2 votes). He then reprimands Graendal, as he reprimanded me, about vote choice so close to deadline. If he were truly that concerned about lynching someone before deadline, why would he not jump instead on the Levity train to ensure a controlled lynch? Thorum is acting scummy and my vote stays where it is.

[aemonkristen]

The more I think on it, the scummier Thorum's vote jump seems. It looks like what he is trying to do is even up the trains on Levity and I at 4 apiece. In the same post he says that I am the only train that is likely to gather momentum, thereby putting Levity's train out of people's minds. My feeling right now is that Thorum is protecting Levity, which makes them both scum. If necessary, I will change my vote to Levity 2-3 hours before deadline. I would definitely feel better about a Thorum lynch, however.

[Levity]

I hate now that other players like Thorum and his unwarranted sheepiness is making it even more unlikely that I won't even have a chance to play this game. I don't know what he's doing, but you seem to forget that Mynd also had four votes before he decided to jump off of him. He was trying to take the heat off his wagon as well as mine. /:

[Levity]

in fact, how about this:

 

Unvote: Mynd

Vote: Thorum

 

I don't like the implications behind using "Oh, I get lynched whenever I'm active" as an excuse. Yeah, I get lynched whenever I'm more active too (or nightkilled early) but it doesn't make it all right to to not participate no matter what side you're on. Sometimes scum use these cop-outs to comehow make it fair for them to coast through the game until they deem it necessary to speak.

 

i also really don't like his mostly groundless vote for Mynd that he ended up removing pretty quickly right after I voted him myself.

[Myndrunner]

I hate now that other players like Thorum and his unwarranted sheepiness is making it even more unlikely that I won't even have a chance to play this game. I don't know what he's doing, but you seem to forget that Mynd also had four votes before he decided to jump off of him. He was trying to take the heat off his wagon as well as mine. /:

 

If this were true, then why did he vote me? That makes no sense.

 

What does make sense is that Thorum is looking for an easy lynch to hop aboard and when it looked like I was gonna be the one, he went for it. Unfortunately, disagreement of playstyle is not a reason to vote someone for lynch, nor is not voting someone because you want them in the game. Vote for who you think is the most likely scum or who will give us the most information without screwing us.

 

Thorum is not a sheep, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Levity]

And I do think Thorum is scum, as well as Aemon. One of the three of us is most likely getting lynched today.

[Levity]

wait.

 

If Thorum flips scum, that actually makes it less likely for Aemon to be scum in my eyes.

[mmeeshal]

I'd still much prefer a Mynd lynch, but with something like 6 and a half hours left, I dunno that that's going to happen.

 

Thorum being the other person who stuck out to me, and garnering enough reactions to gain information from his lynch no matter the alignment (because I think Aemon's been dogging him quite a bit so it'll be interesting to see what turns up)....

 

Unvote

Vote Thorum

[mmeeshal]

Oy, Ninja'd x4 or so. How about I not try to fill out job applications at the same time as I post.

[bgrishinko]

in fact, how about this:

 

Unvote: Mynd

Vote: Thorum

 

I don't like the implications behind using "Oh, I get lynched whenever I'm active" as an excuse. Yeah, I get lynched whenever I'm more active too (or nightkilled early) but it doesn't make it all right to to not participate no matter what side you're on. Sometimes scum use these cop-outs to comehow make it fair for them to coast through the game until they deem it necessary to speak.

 

i also really don't like his mostly groundless vote for Mynd that he ended up removing pretty quickly right after I voted him myself.

 

I can agree with this..

 

 

Unvote,

Vote: Thorum