Wombat's Basic Mafia v. 2.0.1

[aemonkristen]

Vote Aemon for above reasons. And soy other then making it "interesting" whats your reasons?

 

Vague reasoning to vote which I called Amega on.

 

@ak it seems i missed this 4 page, initially it was suppose to be after Mynds post. I voted you for ignoring that post. There is some new information on the field of play though....but ill keep my vote on you :p

 

Acknowledges that he didn't read page 4 (which is where I blatantly state why I ignored the comment) but that he will keep the vote on me for ignoring Mynd's post just because he feels like it.

 

 

hmmmm. Over defensive no. inexperience..perhaps..is that an excuse no. i missed the 4th page when i posted. ops i made a mistake. Either way i explained in my post that the only worthwhile thing i saw on red was that she wasn't being super active. That doesn't ping me so much. And there's nothing in the 4th page that would make me vote levity. So why would i follow you with my "blinders" on and help kill someone i believe innocent. Ak you also posted no reasons to change my mind on the 4th page. So think what you will if you must.

 

Apparently an explanation of the point that is being used as an excuse to vote someone holds no weight with Amega. Especially since the explanation came BEFORE he voted and the vote was made because he missed page 4 of the discussion. In essence, Amega sees not reacting to a poke as a scumtell. Or just wants us to think that. Either way, it is a weak argument.

[amegakure]

its not a scum tell just the only thing at the time that popped out. You saying that either way you reply would make you look scummy. well man up and reply if you missed it you did. If you ignored it then thats pretty scummy. its us to decide. Also as i have stated, the 4th page gave me no reason to change my vote.

[Myndrunner]

its not a scum tell just the only thing at the time that popped out. You saying that either way you reply would make you look scummy. well man up and reply if you missed it you did. If you ignored it then thats pretty scummy. its us to decide. Also as i have stated, the 4th page gave me no reason to change my vote.

 

You are being way too defensive for your own good. What are your thoughts on Levity defending you when she's also at risk for a lynch?

[aemonkristen]

Because it seems that Amega has not bothered to read page 4 yet...

 

I noticed that also Amgea, i doubt Aemon missed it so i'm guessing he ignored the comment.

 

Ignored. There is no comment I could make to that statement that would not look scummy. Best to just let it float away on the breeze.

[Levity]

I'm not defending Amega... he could easily be scum as well as anyone. <___<

 

You know, I kind of just got personally offended (by mynd) and I don't think I want to play at DM anymore. I'm going to feel terrible if I get replaced a third time, but I'm going to get emotionally involved at this rate. It was fun until it became a game of insults. Thanks for pretty much calling me stupid. I guess after this game I'm done. Not really asking for pity, just throwing this out there.

 

I'm going to be gone for the rest of tonight. I guess I'll just have to say that Boyo and Amadine are both pinging me a little, probably mostly due to vibes. Amega could go either way for me--it's possible he and Red may both be on a scumteam, since Red is also making me a bit wary.

[amegakure]

well first tell me how im being overly defensive. I do not know where im being overly defensive. as for levity im not really sure why shes being defensive but she seems to be trying to tie her self to me with a meta argument. I dont believe i have stated that im trying to broaden the games horizons. I only stated that at the time ak was more scummy than red or levity. While ak pinged me im not so sure anymore. If i was lynched by ya'll then she could spearhead the lynch on you or ak. You are big game regardless of whether your town or not.

[Levity]

and uh, yeah, I was only pointing out Amega's unique stance on things mainly since I tend to do that as well earlygame. I already stated before that it was pretty much a meta statement and I would look over Amega's posts again when I was done. Thanks for ignoring my post and disregarding it as nonsensical jargon. This is how I type, and I can't help it.

[mmeeshal]

And even if I were defending Amega unconditionally, consider the reason why I supposedly defended: Amega wanted to get the focus off of only two players and broaden the town's horizons--your point that I don't want Amega to keep the lynch off of me seems contradictory, and you're jumping to conclusions with my words.

Are we playing mafia Mad-Libs and no one told me? Are you just taking whatever random word your professor blurts out and trying to use it in a sentence? Amega is not trying to broaden the town's horizions, those are your words (and a few from the dictionary, I'm sure). Amega slipped a vote on AK and gave a weak reason for it and has told us all that he refuses to change it no matter what (see pitbull). Is this what you call broadening the town's horizons? To me, its more like sticking your head in the sand and hoping your scum team bails you out.

That was really rude of you, Mynd. Not that it's unexpected or unusual, but you can go too far. It's one thing to say someone's stance is stupid, or a comparison/metaphor/etc is stupid; it is quite another to directly insult someone's intelligence by insinuating that her vocabulary is misused and misunderstood and that she is just trying to impress people by using big words even when she doesn't know what they mean, and therefore that she is incapable of forming those coherent thoughts on her own.

 

Regardless of whether or not what she said was nonsense (the statements themselves made sense to me, personally), there is nothing good that can come of you stooping to such a low level that you have to start calling someone stupid.

 

Honestly, you like "beating the grass to startle the snakes," but what you're doing is smacking everyone upside the head with a sledgehammer and calling them scummy when they get mad at you.

[Sakaea]

I'm back from the weekend. I'm not voting yet, I'm getting the feeling the Red/Mynd/Amega bit may all be townie-on-townie stuff. Not sure tho.

 

When you are scum, and your teammate is in trouble, you make posts like the one above. Often when a scum team has one player who is reckless and risking a D1 lynch, before they cut their losses, the scum team will make efforts to take the heat off them without being too obvious. A great way to do this is like what Sakaea is doing here. You group your scummate in with two town players in an effort to make them all seem likely town.

 

Notice how he did not mention Levity?

 

 

Beat that grass, Mynd. And I'm female. *twap* I have no feeling on Levity, therefore I didn't mention him.

[Sakaea]

I'm not defending Amega... he could easily be scum as well as anyone. <___<

 

You know, I kind of just got personally offended (by mynd) and I don't think I want to play at DM anymore. I'm going to feel terrible if I get replaced a third time, but I'm going to get emotionally involved at this rate. It was fun until it became a game of insults. Thanks for pretty much calling me stupid. I guess after this game I'm done. Not really asking for pity, just throwing this out there.

 

I'm going to be gone for the rest of tonight. I guess I'll just have to say that Boyo and Amadine are both pinging me a little, probably mostly due to vibes. Amega could go either way for me--it's possible he and Red may both be on a scumteam, since Red is also making me a bit wary.

 

 

Levity, please don't leave because of Mynd. He gets overenthusiastic, and it bothers some people. It bothered me until I realized if you just shovel the shit he flings right back at him, it's much more fun. *puts a leash on Mynd*

[Levity]

>Being reckless = always being a scumtell

 

What makes me especially irritated is that my 'recklessness' is merely a clash in styles. Mynd, aren't you being reckless as well? What about Amega? Isn't Red normally reckless when active?

 

I get considered for an early lynch in almost every game here so far since I act erratically. And now I'm being accused of typing nonsense when Mynd completely missed the point--he's pinpointing my typing style as a scumtell and it's just... ridiculous. If I see a contradiction, I'm going to point it out. Not to mention two of the votes made on me were jokes on the first place, yet he's so incredibly eager to lynch me because anything seen as defending another player is considered a sure-fire scumtell, which is one thing that only eventually leads to the town's destruction.

 

Here's the contradiction that I saw, perhaps put in simpler terms: Amega veers away from my train and Red's train, focusing on something irrelevant. This is seen as scummy, and diverts attention away from me and Red. My post on Amega is misinterpreted as me defending him--this is jumping to conclusions. If I had defended Amega, it would have been for broadening our choices (or at least attempting to and failing), and Mynd is accusing me of wanting to keep all attention on me as a lynch candidate. Everything I say is being twisted into something else, and it's aggravating me. Not to mention I only have two votes on me at the moment, so I don't even know why you consider me the most likely candidate when you also have two votes as well as Amega and Red. /: You're doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing--you're attempting to get the heat off of you by pushing the heat onto other players with just as many votes, and I really do not like it.

 

Ignored. There is no comment I could make to that statement that would not look scummy. Best to just let it float away on the breeze.

This is... a strange statement. /:

I'm unhappy with Mynd. At this point I want to vote for either him or Amega. Aemon, however, is now starting to ping a little on my radar.

Yeah, I have homework I need to be working on now, so pardon me.

[Levity]

Levity, please don't leave because of Mynd. He gets overenthusiastic, and it bothers some people. It bothered me until I realized if you just shovel the shit he flings right back at him, it's much more fun. *puts a leash on Mynd*

I play mafia to have fun and to indulge my competitive tendencies, but not to be personally insulted over something I cannot control. /:

[Levity]

Unvote: Red

Forgot that in my first post, sigh.

I'll make a coherent decision tomorrow, when I have more time to analyze.

[Red2111]

this is only up to page 4. i still have to get to page 6 but wont beable to do that until tomorrow.

 

Red's vote on Levity was an OMGUS - either she's not paying attention or she saw an opportunity to sneak a vote on her.

Vote Red

 

why the fake vote. very manipulative Mynd.

 

also, there are other reasions than those you listed for an OMGUS vote, especially in the first 100 posts of D1.

 

 

Guess it turned out to be interesting after all...

 

Levity

 

Let's keep it interesting.

 

Why are you voting Levity to protect Red?

 

reaching much, not to meniton connecting players. major ping. it's kinda obvious what Boyo was doing with this vote.

 

 

 

I'll unvote and vote red

 

Two reasons:

- his/her death would reveal most (due to strange behavior by both Mynd and SBoy...)

- levity seems to be getting a vote train against him/her. I don't want that so soon, so I'm adding a second option.

 

 

i'm a chick ;)

 

2nd - i don't see how my behavior (i only had 2 posts up till here) will tell us anything about Mynd or Boyo. wouldn't that be better served by lynching one of them?

 

3rd - so you shy away from one bandwagon just to throw your vote on another.

 

 

this vote feels opportunistic and doesn't sit well with my gut; imo, it's the scummiest vote on my train so far.

 

 

 

I'm not protecting anyone.

 

Why are you voting someone based on an observation you said wasn't that interesting?

 

For starters, Red is normally much more active in these games when she's not scum. Pages upon pages of posts, casings, and beating the grass to startle the snakes. She is doing no such thing in this game, which leads me to believe she has something to hide.

 

Meta me if you want Mynd, but it's been a while since we've played together and my style has toned down a bit in some aspects. still, i feel your "evidence" of me is premature.

Secondly, I was agreeing with AK that it was interesting, but more interesting was his bringing it up. I wanted to see how he reacted and interestingly (heh) he brushed off my response rather than defended himself. I think Red OMGUS'd her vote or wanted it to appear as OMGUS, but either way, AK's reaction to my prod was weak.

 

thats because it was an OMGUS vote. i said as much when i voted her.

 

Thirdly, I wanted to see how everyone else reacted when I voted Red. Namely Red herself, but I found it interesting that no sooner did I bring Red to two votes, you followed her lead and voted Levity, with no casing or comment on Red or AK at all. Only when I pointed my finger at you did you get defensive. These is the signs of a scummy conscience. By voting Levity, you created a competing train, thus protecting Red. If Red flips scum, you are likely on her team.

 

your reaching Mynd, and in a hard way. this is one of the reasons i threw my vote on you.

Thorum, however, intrigues me in that his vote on Red seems like he's defending Levity by bringing Red, the only other competing train, to three. Could Levity and Throum be on a team?

 

and we go back to linking players. *shakes head* utterly scumtastic reachfeast goign on in this post.

 

responses are in blue

 

 

@Amega- What I find interesting is that with two competing trains and a chance to put some pressure on people, you decide to vote for someone who has no votes because that person did not respond to an obvious poke. Perhaps there is a reason you do not want to vote for Red and Levity? Is it possible you have information the rest of us do not?

 

this is an interesting post, quite the fisherman there, Aemon.

 

 

 

 

fishing much? first off its day one. No way id have info unless....of course your trying to imply im scum. Good try. For what reason would i vote for red or levity. I dont know reds mannerisms well enough to tell if shes hiding and i dont see much or anything in the levity thing. Also its barely into day one with plenty of time, whats your hurry to get more votes on these trains? The thing that popped up to me was you and soy. And for now i will stick to it like a pitbull. good job returning pressure though, great play :)

 

underlined - interesting you jump to this conclusion, there are roles that are town that get info during the day. other than that i agree with most of this post and would like to see a train on Aemon as well as Mynd.

 

 

Amega, the pitbull comment and the underlined part are what makes your response feel defensive. atleast imo.

 

 

 

unvote

 

Vote Amegakure

 

I hate to say it, but AK actually has rattled Amega here to the point that I think we may have a frazzled scum in the cross-hairs. Day 1 is all about rattling cages....and we have one rattled pooch here.

 

you jump on this vote way too fast for my liking, not to mention blowing-up Amega's reaction more than it really was.

 

Amega got way too defensive when AK questioned him. He first votes AemonKitten for someone elses reasoning, not his own, and expects us to refer to the above. He almost seems surprised at AK for questioning the vote and claims it was because he ignored my post, essentially a half-assed explanation for an even more half-assed (quarter assed?) reason for voting. Its like he was slipping the vote in there before he had a good reason.

 

all valid points, except about Amega being way too defensive. your making it out like he had a class 3 meltdown. i'll also note you totlaly ignore Aemons defensive pos in response to Amega's vote; which is interesting in the least.

So he then declares (after only a couple posts) that there is new information on the field of play (sic) but he's keeping his vote on AK for now. " "

 

AK then presents a good yet fallible argument about competing trains, implying that he knows more about Red and Levity than the town does. Otherwise, why would Amega go for AK when everyone else was going Red or Levity? This is when Amega goes to 11 on the defensiveness scale. Instead of elaborating on his initial reason for voting AK instead of either Red or Levity, he scrambles.

 

i didn't get a scrambling feel from it. again, your' blowing it out of proportion.

After accusing AK of fishing, his argues that its Day 1 and he would only know Red and Levity's alignment if he was scum, which is true.

 

Aemon was fishing. amazing how this is yet another scummy thing Aemon has done that you've overlooked calling him out for. selective casing mynd, you've gots a bad case of it.

He then embarrasses himself by admitting he didn't see any reason for voting Red or Levity, essentially outing that he hasn't read anyone's argument about why they are both at 3 votes a piece. Any town player with any sense would be dissecting these two cases all day long, and casing those who voted for them. Instead, Amega shrugs them both off.

 

Thorum is the only one who had an in-game reason on any of the trains Mynd. so once again, your blowing it out of proportion

Then comes the classic "Day 1 - its early" argument that we've all seen so many times before. Succumbing to the idea that Day 1 is random only gives the scum an extra turn. Scum can be outed on Day 1 easily, they usually out themselves because they know they are scum and overcompensate for this.

 

agreed 100%

 

answers are in blue. god i missed playing this game with you Mynd *snuggleglomp*

[aemonkristen]

@Amega- What I find interesting is that with two competing trains and a chance to put some pressure on people, you decide to vote for someone who has no votes because that person did not respond to an obvious poke. Perhaps there is a reason you do not want to vote for Red and Levity? Is it possible you have information the rest of us do not?

 

this is an interesting post, quite the fisherman there, Aemon.

 

Not fishing. Just calling him scum.

[mmeeshal]

underlined - interesting you jump to this conclusion, there are roles that are town that get info during the day.

Just as an aside, this IS a basic game. It's not up to us to say exactly what constitutes "basic" in any particular game, naturally, but I personally feel that it's a pretty safe assumption to make that there aren't any roles like that in this game.

[Amadine]

I think that's the best case and evidence we have seen presented so far, and i see an actual reason to vote here. VOTE AMEGA

 

 

Bandwagony to me.

 

Vote Amadine

 

A second vote on a player is bandwagony? *makes a note for later* Very opportunistic vote there BG, and interesting that you have not commented on other happenings so far.

 

 

hmmmm. Over defensive no. inexperience..perhaps..is that an excuse no. i missed the 4th page when i posted. ops i made a mistake. Either way i explained in my post that the only worthwhile thing i saw on red was that she wasn't being super active. That doesn't ping me so much. And there's nothing in the 4th page that would make me vote levity. So why would i follow you with my "blinders" on and help kill someone i believe innocent. Ak you also posted no reasons to change my mind on the 4th page. So think what you will if you must.

 

My bold

 

Amega you have been playing this game for a long time. You have been in a lot of games that i have played in - sorry - but you don't get to pull the newbie card anymore. And even though you admitted yourself that it's not an excuse - you did so after planting the seed that you are inexperienced in the game. My vote stands.

[bgrishinko]

Unvote

 

Fair Enough Ama. I'm observing still. You hadn't given much reason before so it felt a little bandwagony.

 

*Goes back to his hidey hole*

[amegakure]

well red i didnt know that there was a role that got info during the day. I have never heard of it. second if i did its unlikely to be in a basic game

 

Amadine. Im not saying im a newbie. But im still inexperience but regardless missing the 4th page has nothing to do with being a good or bad player its just an honest mistake that aemon has blown out of proportion. You can also read that mynds case was way drawn out, and just crap

 

The pitbull thing was just a metaphor and i thought the picture was funny. Just chill out and take a joke every once in awhile.

[Myndrunner]

(Out of character) I'll be more than happy to discuss leaving ones emotions out of a game like Mafia with anyone privately. I have a lot of thoughts on this issue as I have played my fair share of games and those of you who do know me can likely vouch that out of game, I'm at least tolerable. Like Poker, Basketball, or even Curling, this is just a game and as long as the Mod deems it kosher, anything posted in said game thread should be taken as gameplay. Nothing should be taken personal as it is not meant as such.

 

* * * *

(Back in character)

 

I sense Meesh is trying to exploit Levity's threat of quitting because of meany-head mynd as an opportunity to get an easy lynch on a townie. Has she really done any casing at all in this game? Why suddenly show up now but quiet herself on everything else going on in the game?

 

Folks, this is scum-hunting. We have a couple players who are overreacting to simple questions, and two on the ropes. One is threatening to quit because she got caught defending her fellow scum and is trying to ploy people into getting onto her side. I think she was sensing us closing in on both her and Amega....I think a lynch of one will shed a lot of light on the other.

 

Amega is continuing to backpedal after being caught slipping a vote on AK. I am less intrigued by his scrambling but more so by the chain of defense. I've never seen anyone defend other players so openly. Remember, only the mafia know who is scum and who isn't at this point, so when one person defends the player not the issue, take note.

 

I'm keeping my vote on Amega for now. I'd like to know if Meesh has bothered to case anyone besides me at this point.

 

@Sakaea - sorry about the blunder again. I think of Saki when I read your name and it somehow causes me to forget the feminine pronoun. I shall not make that error again this game.

[Myndrunner]

@Red - I will sum up my responses here, in that wall of text that I have missed from you shan't be reposted again.

 

The vote on you was an attempt to see if anyone would dogpile onto the vote. When Soy voted Levity with his "interesting" response, he wasn't voting because he thought Levity was mafia. He was voting to keep things interesting, which looks a lot like adding a vote to a competing thread to keep you safe. Make sense? It's what I would do if I were mafia and you were on my scum team. Thorum did the same thing with his vote on you.

 

Red, you know my playstyle and why I do things. Its little to do with what I say but how people react. We have some scum-hunt-worthy reactions already. Scum know they are scum and, like in poker, they can't help but show their tells. Veteran mafia players have learned how to hide these tells, but behaviors alter when one is scum. The way people case, vote, and who they go after can always tell a lot about them, even on Day 1. I'm preaching to the choir I know, but votes are always cast with a reason....I question those who don't share theirs clearly.

[mmeeshal]

(Out of character) I'll be more than happy to discuss leaving ones emotions out of a game like Mafia with anyone privately. I have a lot of thoughts on this issue as I have played my fair share of games and those of you who do know me can likely vouch that out of game, I'm at least tolerable. Like Poker, Basketball, or even Curling, this is just a game and as long as the Mod deems it kosher, anything posted in said game thread should be taken as gameplay. Nothing should be taken personal as it is not meant as such.

Pfft, I get what you're saying, Mynd, but I think it's better for everyone all around when people refrain from saying things that could be misunderstood as personal attacks. Basically, if you KNOW the person and you KNOW they won't mind you calling them a complete idiot, that's one thing. But if you don't know someone and they don't know you and you say something that looks like a personal insult and it isn't clear that it's all in good fun, don't be surprised if they misunderstand. Unless you put a big "" next to it, my stance has always been that anything resembling a personal insult should be left out of the game because there is too much room for misinterpretation.

 

I sense Meesh is trying to exploit Levity's threat of quitting because of meany-head mynd as an opportunity to get an easy lynch on a townie. Has she really done any casing at all in this game? Why suddenly show up now but quiet herself on everything else going on in the game?

To finish what I was saying above, no exploitation here--I was legitimately unhappy with your remark. I don't like personal insults. I've seen people get ganged up on in games, by half the players and the mod, even, and I don't care what that person's alignment is, it's insensitive and I don't stand for it. I always say something when I feel like someone is being attacked personally.

 

Honestly, my stance is that if you're not legitimately insulting someone (in which case someone needs to tell you to go jump off a cliff if you can't knock it off), you're probably scum trying to discredit someone by making them look stupid or ridiculous. I've been the victim of that myself; it was the single most frustrating experience I've ever had in a mafia game.

 

I never can see a reason for town to go and slap down a personal insult, even if it's "in the spirit of the game"--if you're probing for reactions, well, you're gonna find them, regardless of a person's alignment, when you insult them about things unrelated to the game. And how does it point to someone as scum if they're upset because you told them they're stupid? That's just human nature, mate.

 

Folks, this is scum-hunting. We have a couple players who are overreacting to simple questions, and two on the ropes. One is threatening to quit because she got caught defending her fellow scum and is trying to ploy people into getting onto her side. I think she was sensing us closing in on both her and Amega....I think a lynch of one will shed a lot of light on the other.

 

Amega is continuing to backpedal after being caught slipping a vote on AK. I am less intrigued by his scrambling but more so by the chain of defense. I've never seen anyone defend other players so openly. Remember, only the mafia know who is scum and who isn't at this point, so when one person defends the player not the issue, take note.

 

I'm keeping my vote on Amega for now. I'd like to know if Meesh has bothered to case anyone besides me at this point.

To the last point--nope. Haven't. Haven't really cased you, either--the closest I've come to that is just now when I said "you're either going too far or you're scum, IMO."

 

To the bold: um, so does the thought ever cross your mind that maybe you're jumping at shadows, then?

[Myndrunner]

Meesh, are you going to start playing the game soon, or just reading the mafia QT and waiting for your scum team to chime in?

[mmeeshal]

Oh, we're playing a game? I thought this was a Girl Scouts meeting.

[Myndrunner]

Oh, we're playing a game? I thought this was a Girl Scouts meeting.

 

If this was, I'd be nom nom noming on Samoas and Thin Mints right now.

 

So, care to chime in on anything else that occurred in this game?