[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[Kivam]

Vote Count:

 

John McClane (8) - BG, Pac, Jack, Wombat, Vicious, Crusher, CTM, BooBoo

Alys (1) - Mynd

Booboo(1) - Nae

Jack (7) - Slats, Verbal, Barm, Alys, Smash,John McClane, Hybrid,

Verb (1) - JF80

Barm (1) - the Dude

No Lynch (1) - Lanth

JF80 (1) - Lily

Smash (1) - DPR

 

Not voting:

 

FDM

Red

Adella

Sharrow

[Red2111]

VOTE: JACK

 

thought i did this already, but guess i forgot to go back and put it in. i've already explain my reasonings a few pages back.

 

 

[Red2111]

your game play feels a bit underhanded and my gut doesn't trust your intentions. also, the points Verb brings up about you being on any team if you are a survivor hold water; even if you are a survivor i think at this poitn because of the heat your getting on yourself, no matter what team you end up on your liekly to be killed. best to get you out of the way now, get your corners report and get us some good info. you also seem to see the need to keep stating "i'm a survivor" your need to keep throwing this out there is another reason i don't like your game this time around.

 

 

heres the reasoining so people don't have to dig for it

[Pac]

Mcclane needs to die.. his ramblings will pollute the thread in the coming days. mark my words.

[Barmacral]

So I've concluded that I should just never sleep while this game is going on. That way I don't wake up to pages and pages of posts to read through. That said, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

[Kivam]

Vote Count - 14 to Lynch

 

John McClane (8) - BG, Pac, Jack, Wombat, Vicious, Crusher, CTM, BooBoo

Alys (1) - Mynd

Booboo(1) - Nae

Jack (8) - Slats, Verbal, Barm, Alys, Smash,John McClane, Hybrid, Red

Verb (1) - JF80

Barm (1) - the Dude

No Lynch (1) - Lanth

JF80 (1) - Lily

Smash (1) - DPR

 

Not voting:

 

FDM

Adella

Sharrow

[Pac]

Where is this scrapper Mcclane?

[Alys Kinch]

I'm going to stop reading after the vote count after barm's post. I am going to consolidate my quotes into a post and will catch back up later. You have added 5 pages since I started reading, and at some point, I do have to work today. That is all.

[Alys Kinch]

*cough* That's 9 pages in word right now... You suck! But really, I think this is the way I remember mafia. :D

[Vicious89x]

*cough* That's 9 pages in word right now... You suck! But really, I think this is the way I remember mafia. :D

 

This is typical of a JN mafia game. Gigantic flame war between Ape/CTM/Pac/Slats and any combination of those. Right now seems like Jack (Ape Jr.) is jumping into the fray, good times!

[Far Dareis Mai]

Okay, I usually lay low and quiet D1, because it's basically just a cesspool of people talking and talking, but nothing really interesting is being said (though I must say that all of this faux-snark swirling around is quite delightful!) And I have this thing where I don't like people to use the crap I say on D1 against me when its just me passing time for D2. I also never vote on Day 1, because I'm an avid believer in not voting on someone unless I have sufficient (for me) justification for my vote.

 

But alas, DS..or Jack...or whatever he is being called these days, has either got his wires crossed, or he is lying like an evil lying liar who lies (like that, Booboo?). He's either already in a Faction or he's cult, because homeboy is clueless. I think he's fishing for Survivors, to not only glean their win conditions for them, but to also get a handle on who his Faction (or cult) wants to recruit. It makes sense for him to throw himself on the cross since he's always the first suspect in most people's list. Why not go out giving as many reveals as he can to his team? Those are my thoughts on all of that.

 

Oh, and I'm totally a chick. ;)

 

Oh, and BooBoo is not a noob. BooBoo is an alt for someone popular who doesn't want to be barraged by "OMGCOMEBACK" pm's. I can relate.

 

Oh, and I'm totally going to vote: Jack

[Kivam]

Vote Count - 14 to Lynch

 

John McClane (8) - BG, Pac, Jack, Wombat, Vicious, Crusher, CTM, BooBoo

Alys (1) - Mynd

Booboo(1) - Nae

Jack (9) - Slats, Verbal, Barm, Alys, Smash,John McClane, Hybrid, Red, FDM

Verb (1) - JF80

Barm (1) - the Dude

No Lynch (1) - Lanth

JF80 (1) - Lily

Smash (1) - DPR

 

Not voting:

 

Adella

Sharrow

[DPR]

Other than him doing his normal thing of trying to save his own ass at all costs (I'm waiting for the bulletproof claim any minute now), what exactly makes you think he's a faction member?

He seems a little clueless as to how the survivor role works, and his little bit about lynching a faction memeber and runnign the setup pinged..

 

Could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.. but I'm pretty sure jack is a survivor and lynching him doesn't make sense to me..

 

I think the right plan is to try and lynch cult/faction member.. and hope all the survivors join the opposing faction..

 

 

So, if I'm hearing you correctly, you are proposing that we discover one faction or another with a quickness, and have everybody hop on the side of the one with the most numbers so that we can end the game as quickly as possible, thus not giving the cult a chance to grow. Is that right?

Kinda, but also to make it a traditional mafia game, if we wipe out 1 faction, it's town vs cult.... Once 1 faction is eliminated, and all the survivors convert.. we'll have a very small pool to find cult leader....

 

If the games say

 

6 stark

6 lannister

2 cult

12 survivors..

 

having all 14 commit to lannister or stark right away might make it easy to find the CL

 

In fact, I'd be open to just openly agreeing to all join 1 faction :D but that won't happen either.. Maybe ned start and tywin lannister can campaign for our services :D

 

I love the idea of something so simple and organized, but I'm leery of Kivam seeing through that little loophole, heh. Regardless, I'd be down for some decisive moves if others were willing to be logical and stop their ninnyish bickering.

 

 

 

[Bleedin Green]

This is typical of a JN mafia game. Gigantic flame war between Ape/CTM/Pac/Slats and any combination of those. Right now seems like Jack (Ape Jr.) is jumping into the fray, good times!

Truth... speaking of slats, where the hell is he anyway? Me and him have been in agreement far too much lately over on JN, we're definitely due for another good mafia battle.

[John McClane]

Mcclane needs to die.. his ramblings will pollute the thread in the coming days. mark my words.

 

Shut up you moron.

[DPR]

Okay, I usually lay low and quiet D1, because it's basically just a cesspool of people talking and talking, but nothing really interesting is being said (though I must say that all of this faux-snark swirling around is quite delightful!) And I have this thing where I don't like people to use the crap I say on D1 against me when its just me passing time for D2. I also never vote on Day 1, because I'm an avid believer in not voting on someone unless I have sufficient (for me) justification for my vote.

 

But alas, DS..or Jack...or whatever he is being called these days, has either got his wires crossed, or he is lying like an evil lying liar who lies (like that, Booboo?). He's either already in a Faction or he's cult, because homeboy is clueless. I think he's fishing for Survivors, to not only glean their win conditions for them, but to also get a handle on who his Faction (or cult) wants to recruit. It makes sense for him to throw himself on the cross since he's always the first suspect in most people's list. Why not go out giving as many reveals as he can to his team? Those are my thoughts on all of that.

 

Oh, and I'm totally a chick. ;)

 

Oh, and BooBoo is not a noob. BooBoo is an alt for someone popular who doesn't want to be barraged by "OMGCOMEBACK" pm's. I can relate.

 

Oh, and I'm totally going to vote: Jack

 

and

[John McClane]

Where is this scrapper Mcclane?

 

I'm here pig - what do you make of CTM calling Jack pragmatic, and ignoring/spinning the information I tried giving you all to make it clear I am a survivor?

[John McClane]

 

 

The only other possible win condition is with the cult, but that's kinda obvious, isn't it? You are starting to worry me....

 

 

 

Not it is not. You and CTM both seem to NOT get what it is I'm alluding to.

 

I'm not saying anything else about the win condition for survivors. If everyone decides to lynch me, fine, but people should NOT forget to come back and look at people like Verbal and CTM, and obviously Jack, that don't seem to know what I'm talking about when I flip Survivor and you see I'm not lying.

[CTM]

Where is this scrapper Mcclane?

 

I'm here pig - what do you make of CTM calling Jack pragmatic, and ignoring/spinning the information I tried giving you all to make it clear I am a survivor?

You didn't give any new information, you alluded to another win condition that you couldn't speak of, which is easily bunched together with the others

 

rule #14

[Red2111]

i'm gonna have to side with Verb & CTM on this one John. CTM hits this issue right on the head imo

 

 

[Adella]

So I've concluded that I should just never sleep while this game is going on. That way I don't wake up to pages and pages of posts to read through. That said, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

What he said about sleep ^

 

 

So, I can see how people might be able to let the tiny bits slide by, but I'm just not okay with Jack getting away with being wrong about the Survivor win condition. Which is also why I pointed out that doing anything but hunting cult right now is idiotic in the least.

Also, while I'm sure you guys have a lot of experience playing with Ape, Jack is notorious here for latching onto someone and not letting go, no matter how much we disprove his reasoning. So far he has been much more annoying than monkey boy over there. At least Ape has somewhat reasonable reasoning, instead of something Jack just pulled out of his magical hat.

 

That being said Vote: Jack

[slats]

Not really, Jack. You remember that time you confirmed a scum slats as town and he coasted to win? Or the time when your lie was so atrocious that even though you found a scum Lily, you still got lynched and nobody believed you? Just because you figure something out doesn't mean it works - you still have to convince the town....and you don't because of your antics. Really, it's the same problem the Ape has. You guys are more alike than either of you would like to admit. ;-)

 

 

The only similarity between Jack and I, is that we both like to get the last word. It ends there though.

My view of the game is often Ape-centric, as I evaluate things based on how they happen around me. However, I don't make conscious decisions to do things that hurt the town when I am town. I stick to my cases, and am wrong at times, but that happens.

 

Jack plays a selfish game wherein he chooses to do things detrimental to the town, to fancy himself.

 

Huge difference.

 

It begins there. His referring to your apetastic style of play is just as ironic as you referring to him as selfish. Jack does it with more flair, but you're probably the two most me-first players we have in these games. You both lie more as town than scum, and usually with the intention of saving your own ass as your #1 priority.

 

I don't mind voting for Jack or McLame.

 

Jack is clearly overselling being a survivor, and it makes me uncomfortable with him.

 

I agree that the Ape likely is a member of one of the families, either of which would be a good lynch to start the game.

 

That said, CTM is just as likely to be on the opposing family. In fact, maybe more so. Why else would he first be so against the no-lynch idea because of the cult repercussions, only to now push to set the table for one of the families by taking out the Ape? Most likely, he is looking to unbalance them, and is already pushing the idea of a survivor landslide for the dead Ape's family's enemy. There would be no better move for a member of that family.

 

That said, it wouldn't really bother me. In fact, I would rather be on CTM's landslide team than the Ape's. It's just a matter of how things play out.

 

I think that's my biggest problem with Jack right now as well. He could be being completely honest when he lays out the idea that he's a survivor and this is his roadmap to victory - but it would be completely unlike Jack to be honest in one of these games. Ape, in the midst of all his words, makes a good point about Jack being able to put together most of his unforced reveal from Doggin's opening scene.

 

VOTE: JACK

 

thought i did this already, but guess i forgot to go back and put it in. i've already explain my reasonings a few pages back.

 

Hi Red, nice to see you!

 

Mcclane needs to die.. his ramblings will pollute the thread in the coming days. mark my words.

 

I'm not unhappy with the two trains we have going right now.

 

This is typical of a JN mafia game. Gigantic flame war between Ape/CTM/Pac/Slats and any combination of those. Right now seems like Jack (Ape Jr.) is jumping into the fray, good times!

Truth... speaking of slats, where the hell is he anyway? Me and him have been in agreement far too much lately over on JN, we're definitely due for another good mafia battle.

 

Trying to catch up. It's like we're out to prove some sort of crazy spamming point over here on DM. Lol!

[JF80]

# 14 all of you for making me read all this.

[Vicious89x]

This is typical of a JN mafia game. Gigantic flame war between Ape/CTM/Pac/Slats and any combination of those. Right now seems like Jack (Ape Jr.) is jumping into the fray, good times!

Truth... speaking of slats, where the hell is he anyway? Me and him have been in agreement far too much lately over on JN, we're definitely due for another good mafia battle.

 

Fighting off JohnDenver. Honestly sometimes that board gets to be too much for me.

[Alys Kinch]

 

Sup baby. I hear that you're.... a woman.

 

/turns swag up to 100

... The woman who made fun of Spiderman. *nods*

 

Lol.

 

Barm, you removed your "I love you" vote! Which by the way Alys is really up there in most amusing comments so far.

 

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And is there more hostility now than I recall, or am I just looking back with rose-tinted dude-shades? =P

 

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And what's with Bleeding being modkilled then revived only a few posts later? Poor ol' duder's behind the times...

 

*love for my adopted brother*; Rose tinted glasses; and the modkill was about the comment against people on Jets Nation. Kivam and a lot of these guys are Jets (football) fans. You may also hear references to another website- Myndjack.

 

Im going to unvote and vote for Jackie D [/b because no matter what team hes on it just cant be good.[/b]

 

QFT

 

alright, i'll be in the shed with some scoobie snacks. anyone who cares to join me is more than welcome

2nd in popularity only to the Cromwell. I don’t think half these people know what a Scooby snack is. Their loss.

 

How is ny thinking out of left feild?

When is it not?

 

[The subjective argument] Which is why the caveat of “in a mafia game” is necessary. Let’s also go ahead and point out the difference in subjectivity and objectivity of a lynch train with coroner vs lynch train without. Coroner info makes a more solid case. Mod info trumps not mod info every time.

 

How is a recruiting cult not applicable to this game?

 

Sure, mod info trumps non-mod info, but the townie one saves by no lynching (again: that's a statistic assumption, assuming that people are just voting for the sake of a lynch, rather than on a definable logic train) keeps the numbers in the town's favour where they would normally hit an immediate disadvantage by losing one of their number. A live, thinking townie trumps a dead townie every time, epecially when it comes down to a numbers game later. The temporary lack of mod information generally is made up for by a live townie later in the game. (presuming that the townie is active and useful, if not, no lynching to save their life is kinda pointless )

I agree with the blue. Strictly numbers. But once you add in a recruitment, you start tipping the balance. You don’t know who stays townie or who accepts or is forced to change sides or when they do it. (A flaw is so many arguments that have been stated thus far.) Better to go with more info faster until you get some bearings.

 

I'm not feeling anything particular about lynching McClane. It's not like normal town-mafia dynamics apply here. With so many survivors in the build, a lot of the detriment for a mis-lynch is gone. It really doesn't matter who is lynched to a survivor. Which makes me wonder, who would stick up for a survivor who is being lynched? is anyone defending McClane? (beides me Oh hush, you know you were about to say it)

Just saying…

 

I would honestly prefer if we lynched a cult member, because while it doesn't matter to me if anyone else dies, as a survivor the game functions the same as normal, I still want the scum to die. While most of us aren't on the same team, as teams of 1, it would still benefit us all more if we would get rid of the cult instead of just anyone. So those who have suggested that they couldn't care less who dies, such as Jack (he is the only one I remember off the top of my head), seem more like the people who are on one of the family teams. Just a thought.

I think this is getting lost in the mix. Can we bring it around to HOW do we do this as a group? We can’t just keep hoping for a shot in the dark.

 

If what you've posted above is truly your take on the game, then you'd have been better off quietly hopping ANY bandwagon and keeping quiet about why. Because your agenda can be applied to anyone, tbh. Your insistence pushing my lynch only makes you look shady. The fact that you are pushing lynching survivors so hard, and not cult is why I think your interests align with a cult agenda moreso than any other. Survivors

I thought this at first.

 

 

Lanth, I'm just trying to state the obvious. If John, isn't already a member of a team he will join one. If he chooses an opposite team of the one I choose, then we will be enemies, if he is recruited by the cult we will be enemies, if he stays a survivor, I don't care one bit about him. The only way I would not be interested in lynching him or anyone else is if I ha knowledge of to the team they began as or the team they have chosen. I'm no big loss to the majority, but I'm a major loss to me if I'm lynched this game, so therefore I'm suggesting a viable lynch candidate and giving reason base on game schematics for people to vote the player I suggested. I'm using myself as a survivor because a) it's true, and b) to work out my way of thinking

I'm strongly considering placing my first real vote on you for using the term "game schematics" and general ass-hattery. Dumping a load of crap logic into D1 isn't helping anyone (and by anyone, I mean anyone). Untie your tongue, lay off the sugar, and quit making faces at the ape just to spam it up.

I love you, DPR. I really do.

 

The only way he is Cult is if he can't die. And, even then, there is no point to drawing this much attention to himself. This strikes me as more of a Jester role, or at least it would if he didn't do this every game. heh

Then I thought this. Seriously. He’s asking for everyone to kill him.

 

I got the feeling the starks/lannisters were 4-5 to a side, based on doggin's post. To me lynching cult is top priority cause I freaken hate conversion games, after that, taking out a stark or a lannister would be good cause the survivors will flock to the other team and the vast majority of the game can be united in hunting cult + the opposing faction... That would make the game fairly easy though, and doggin is sure to have considered that in his setup

Refer to my previous comment to Lanth. It's over simplification.

 

You've yet to say why the cult is even a threat to anyone but the two opposing factions. Your playing like you've got a faction agenda and one faction needs to be eliminated just as

Much as the cult does.

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Because if you aren’t them, you don’t win with them… Again, are you cult?

 

What? The cult are the bad guys if you are anything but cult.

See? It wasn’t just me thinking that.

 

Jack seems to me to be a survivor cause he said some things that I was surprised he knew, as I originaly I thought i was "the survivor" as opposed to "a survivor"

 

Why would you think that?

This. Even if you missed it in your role pm, you had to have caught it in the OP... I think you had an excuse, I don't think I bought it.

 

Talk to an admin.

 

>_>

 

OK.

 

Hi, Verbal.

 

^_^

Dearest Mr. Admin. Can we have the function returned to us?