Egwene should be doing more in the borderlands.

[XXX]

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

[XXX]

 

On one hand you've got a bunch of fellas who've got a reborn AoL-er putting things out there in front of dudes' faces for them to pick up. On the other hand you've got a bunch of ladies shown to be dragging the tiniest bits and pieces out of somebody with a leash around their neck, and by virtue of their own ability to figure things out, arrive at positive outcomes.

 

It'll be swell to see how everything shakes out whence the next volume his the shelf.

 

Well the ladies have their prisoner no more while the Asha'man just have to stay next to Rand to learn...

[Mats Spare Hat]

 

On one hand you've got a bunch of fellas who've got a reborn AoL-er putting things out there in front of dudes' faces for them to pick up. On the other hand you've got a bunch of ladies shown to be dragging the tiniest bits and pieces out of somebody with a leash around their neck, and by virtue of their own ability to figure things out, arrive at positive outcomes.

 

It'll be swell to see how everything shakes out whence the next volume his the shelf.

 

Well the ladies have their prisoner no more while the Asha'man just have to stay next to Rand to learn...

 

 

I was more ragging on the guy a few pages back in the thread who was all rar rar a'men boo damane & AS won't come close because of oaths concept.

 

As far as A'men just having to stay next to Rand to learn...The same Rand scheduled to be dead as a doornail in, as insinuated, whence he breaks the seals & by popular belief, in that it's from the horses mouth, he'll depart to face the Dark One, prophesied and heavily insinuated to die?

 

Cus I'm just sayin`, I'm finding it hard to believe Rand's gonna have even a New York minute to share the breadth of AoL knowledge and weaving that he's recently reconciled into a seemingly unified state of mind.

 

Otherwise yeah, the A'men do have somebody currently around from which they can learn.

 

At the same time if Rand/LTT's knowledge includes all the accumulated knowledge from his time in the AoL, a time where the greatest feats were accomplished by circles of both men & women...Gotta figure the most powerful & skilled channeler from that age had to have some kind of idea as to what they all needed to do in cooperation to accomplish a task.

 

"Say, what power's are you using when you do that. I can't see what you did, but if you can describe the process, we can probably put it all together"

 

Vis a vis, for both dudes & chicks. They'll all be fine.

[Suttree]

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

 

Must have misunderstood when I read:

 

Asha'man = AS of AoL, not constrained by the 3 Oaths and they know defensive weaves.

[Entreri]

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

 

Must have misunderstood when I read:

 

Asha'man = AS of AoL, not constrained by the 3 Oaths and they know defensive weaves.

 

You take things too literally child.

[Entreri]

However, given time the only group that can match AoL AS are the Asha'man. I know that that goes against Egwene fever, but kid, relax.

 

You and what's her name need to chill out. You guys do understand that Egwene is merely a fictoinal character, right? What X,Y,Z fan says about a fantasy character is irrelevant and will not hurt 'her' feelings.

[Suttree]

However, given time the only group that can match AoL AS are the Asha'man. I know that that goes against Egwene fever, but kid, relax.

 

You and what's her name need to chill out. You guys do understand that Egwene is merely a fictoinal character, right? What X,Y,Z fan says about a fantasy character is irrelevant and will not hurt 'her' feelings.

 

What does this have to do with Egwene?

 

Telling people to relax when you are responding to a post that you weren't even involved in with multiple personnel attacks? You're getting more and more comedy by the day my Forgotten Realms loving friend...keep that 98 sided die rolling on.

[Entreri]

However, given time the only group that can match AoL AS are the Asha'man. I know that that goes against Egwene fever, but kid, relax.

 

You and what's her name need to chill out. You guys do understand that Egwene is merely a fictoinal character, right? What X,Y,Z fan says about a fantasy character is irrelevant and will not hurt 'her' feelings.

 

What does this have to do with Egwene?

 

Telling people to relax when you are responding to a post that you weren't even involved in with multiple personnel attacks? You're getting more and more comedy by the day my Forgotten Realms loving friend...keep that 98 sided die rolling on.

 

You need to take a deep breath. Inhale, exhale. What I find reading a couple of your posts is that you are too intense, takes thing too personally (especially about your favorite character, Egwene). Relax.

[Suttree]

However, given time the only group that can match AoL AS are the Asha'man. I know that that goes against Egwene fever, but kid, relax.

 

You and what's her name need to chill out. You guys do understand that Egwene is merely a fictoinal character, right? What X,Y,Z fan says about a fantasy character is irrelevant and will not hurt 'her' feelings.

 

What does this have to do with Egwene?

 

Telling people to relax when you are responding to a post that you weren't even involved in with multiple personnel attacks? You're getting more and more comedy by the day my Forgotten Realms loving friend...keep that 98 sided die rolling on.

 

You need to take a deep breath. Inhale, exhale. What I find reading a couple of your posts is that you are too intense, takes thing too personally (especially about your favorite character, Egwene). Relax.

 

Funny since she wasn't even a topic and you just brought her up. As I've said many times she isn't even in my top 5 characters. I shouldn't be surprised but having to pull the fanboi card is pretty feeble.

 

In terms of relaxing bro I live in Malibu. Surfed perfect waves until dark today, no worries about me mate. You shouldn't try reading into things too much from text on a computer.

[Entreri]

However, given time the only group that can match AoL AS are the Asha'man. I know that that goes against Egwene fever, but kid, relax.

 

You and what's her name need to chill out. You guys do understand that Egwene is merely a fictoinal character, right? What X,Y,Z fan says about a fantasy character is irrelevant and will not hurt 'her' feelings.

 

What does this have to do with Egwene?

 

Telling people to relax when you are responding to a post that you weren't even involved in with multiple personnel attacks? You're getting more and more comedy by the day my Forgotten Realms loving friend...keep that 98 sided die rolling on.

 

You need to take a deep breath. Inhale, exhale. What I find reading a couple of your posts is that you are too intense, takes thing too personally (especially about your favorite character, Egwene). Relax.

 

Funny since she wasn't even a topic and you just brought her up. As I've said many times she isn't even in my top 5 characters. I shouldn't be surprised but having to pull the fanboi card is pretty feeble.

 

In terms of relaxing bro I live in Malibu. Surfed perfect waves until dark today, no worries about me mate. You shouldn't try reading into things too much from text on a computer.

 

That figures.

[Hadilmir]

AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyways... this thread is about wrapped up, but to keep discussion going (and impersonal) I'd invite someone to post a well thought out strategy the Aes Sedai could've followed in the Borderlands through the course of ToM. I'm interested to see how those who are of the opinion more could be done would do it, in Egwene's shoes. So, get clever and impress me. It doesn't take much, I find Rodel Ituralde to be a bloody genius with his tactical use of the Asha'man at Maradon.

[Mr Ares]

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

While this is true, the AS are capable of figuring things out for themselves - I present as evidence an AS figuring out how to detect male channeling in KoD. They have, in the past, been reluctant to innovate, but given the shake ups in the world will result in changes to the AS, that need not be the case going forward. Are Asha'man ahead of AS? Perhaps, in some areas, although they are on the whole more limited. Do they have access to AoL knowledge? In a very limited form (whatever Rand happens to teach the few of them with him during the brief time he's still around).

 

 

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

 

Must have misunderstood when I read:

 

Asha'man = AS of AoL, not constrained by the 3 Oaths and they know defensive weaves.

You take things too literally child.

A word of advice, dear. You can only really get away with that sort of attitude of you're me.

[yoniy0]

Okay....

 

First, this thread isn't about which group of channelers is more cool. Open another one, if that's what you want to discuss.

 

Second, Entreri and Suttree, this is now the second thread you've derailed with quibbling. Stop that, if you will.

[Kahsm]

However, given time the only group that can match AoL AS are the Asha'man. I know that that goes against Egwene fever, but kid, relax.

 

You and what's her name need to chill out. You guys do understand that Egwene is merely a fictoinal character, right? What X,Y,Z fan says about a fantasy character is irrelevant and will not hurt 'her' feelings.

 

Says the most fervent defender of god-rand theory on the entire forum.

[yoniy0]

Kael, I know I didn't name you in my last post, but if that's what you were waiting for, this is me formally asking you not to start an argument here.

 

That goes for everyone else who might be reading this, BTW.

[XXX]

While this is true, the AS are capable of figuring things out for themselves - I present as evidence an AS figuring out how to detect male channeling in KoD. They have, in the past, been reluctant to innovate, but given the shake ups in the world will result in changes to the AS, that need not be the case going forward. Are Asha'man ahead of AS? Perhaps, in some areas, although they are on the whole more limited. Do they have access to AoL knowledge? In a very limited form (whatever Rand happens to teach the few of them with him during the brief time he's still around).

 

 

 

 

If the AS are capable of figuring things out for themselves so are the Asha'man..the AS have no special advantage over the Asha'man nor are they more special regardless of their and their leaders delusions.

 

It is immaterial how ever long Rand stays around..whatever he teaches in that time give the Asha'man the advantage. Today the Ash'amn have much more effective weaves to fight the shadow than the AS.

[XXX]

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

 

Must have misunderstood when I read:

 

Asha'man = AS of AoL, not constrained by the 3 Oaths and they know defensive weaves.

 

 

Entreri is not me..

[csarmi]

:)

 

Maybe you sound alike.

[Suttree]

Rand can and has taught Asha'man AOL weaves...there are no one to teach the AS AOL weaves. Knowledge is everything..and AS fall far behind the Asha'man in this.

 

Have we actually seen him teaching or did a few of them just copy those deathgates and blossoms of fire? weaves in KoD? Either way knowing a few extra battle weaves is a far cry from saying they equal AOL AS.

 

I never said they would match AoL AS..I only said that they are above 3rd age AS which they are. Rand has the memories of the most knowledgeable and powerful AoL AS and every time he uses his fancy weaves the Asha'man near him learn something. The AS have no one to teach them.

 

Must have misunderstood when I read:

 

Asha'man = AS of AoL, not constrained by the 3 Oaths and they know defensive weaves.

 

 

Entreri is not me..

 

Apologies xxx, I did indeed get the two of you confused.

[yoniy0]

I believe I've told y'all twice already that the whole AS vs. AM argument only serves to derail this topic. If nobody wishes to discuss the issue at hand that's fine, but if you want to compare the two groups of channelers, do it in another thread.

[XXX]

So..in a topic about Egwene and replying to a post about AS capabilities as compared to the Asha'man, my comment about AS and Egwene feeling of superiority compared to any man(a theme in the books and also a part of Egwene own feelings with her discomfort on the bonding of women by men as compared to vice versa) is not allowed?

[yoniy0]

In a thread about what Egwene isn't doing in the world (the Borderlands in particular) that she should, an argument about which group of channelers knows more weaves that will help in the Last Battle and is more cool overall is off-topic, yes. And again, I have said so twice before you last posted, so if you weren't sure what I meant it was best to simply ask (via PM).

 

If you want specific explanations regarding your post above, reply in our private conversation. Also, you might want to reread DM's Code of Conduct, particularly part III-1b and 2.

[avernite]

My 2 cents:

 

If the world is indeed as RJ said, IE the light needs a knockout blow to win, there's really only two things to do, knowing that Rand will start the Last Battle in a month: preserve resources, and tap untapped resources. Those Aes Sedai can be deployed effectively in one fell swoop, or they can be dispersed and destroyed. As Maradon and Rand's reaction showed, it's POSSIBLE to achieve a local victory, but the cost is high. Does the Light really care if the Trollocs are stopped in Kandor or in Illian, if going for the former option means Rand can't hit Shayol Ghul?

 

 

Dispersing among the Borderlands (and everywhere, really) made sense when the Seanchan were no big threat yet and the Dragon was found: get critical battle experience or influence among the people for the inevitable onslaught, then withdraw for that one, decisive push (admittedly, lack of travelling might have made it less useful). Dispersing the Aes Sedai now will result, probably, in horrendous casualties as they get thrown straight into the steamroller of the Dark. This WILL happen for that final push, but if that push only needs a victory at Shayol Ghul or Tarwin's gap, suffer the losses there rather than chasing trollocs through Kandor.

[Luckers]

So..in a topic about Egwene and replying to a post about AS capabilities as compared to the Asha'man, my comment about AS and Egwene feeling of superiority compared to any man(a theme in the books and also a part of Egwene own feelings with her discomfort on the bonding of women by men as compared to vice versa) is not allowed?

 

Indeed, it is not allowed.

 

I trust this is clear enough.

[AquilaInfernus]

Can we lock it down?

 

Mat's Spare Hat and I have the Quote; it is the first half of Chapter 27 'A Call to A Stand' in Towers of Midnight. The Hall of the Tower gains sole prosecution of the War against the Shadow in exchange for the Amyrlin's sole responsibility for dealing with kings and queens. It happens immediately after the first news comes in that the Borderlands are under attack by hordes of Trollocs greater than anything seen since the Trolloc Wars. Indeed, Egwene's only action before then is to summon Siuan to hear if the Blue Eyes and Ears network has anything to add to Silviana's brief message.

 

And the Aes Sedai (and all female channelers) hinder themselves by using Fire and Earth to attack rather than Air and Water (ice). In fact the smartest course of action would be to use Spirit based weaves to break the resolve of Dreadlords, rather in the manner of Compulsion-type weaves.