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NitroS

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  1. What a suprise the threads been derailed already and turned into the existing demandred thread where not one bit of proper discussion can happen without attacks on sandersons writing.
  2. is it against the rules to direct people to a reddit wot for fanfic? isnt brandon writing his book virtually nothing but fanfic since he went off from the notes so often and done alot of his own things? if RJ changed his idea with someone taking on the series im sure he wouldnt have cared in the end if fans made up scenes that were left out of the book. Are authors normally against this? also if i remember correctly pre aMOL their was a thread that people wrote a few scenes about what they think was going to happen in aMOL isnt that fan fiction ill try and find it.
  3. That would have fixed the issue about fain being lackluster in the end and would be interesting from Demandreds pov to see his reaction to mashadar and if he understands it at all.
  4. Since we didnt get a reunion on screen anybody want to try and make a fan fiction version of their reunion. I would try but my grammar and writing are pretty bad. Id imagine Siuan would drop all Aes Sedai serenity and start running if she saw Moiraine. (Interesting that in New Spring siuan was the more calm one in control and now it seems like its Moiraine).
  5. I saw alot of dissapointment in the Demandred thread on the way Lan was the one to kill Demandred, while i didnt mind it and thought it fit quite well others wanted him dead by the power and not a simple sword fight. How would you have rathered he died? Remember he's in a circle of 72 with sakarnen! edit forgot about the spoiler title could a Mod please change it.
  6. For a fighter to stay in that kind of peak condition by the EoTW, he would have practicised. It is that simple. Warder bound or not, at Lan's age, which is over 40 by the EoTW, if he has let himself go, it would have been next to impossible to be in his condition. perhaps im trying to explain my point wrong, He is the best swordsman because as the writer robert jordan wants him to be the strongest. It doesnt make sense hes the best though because regardless of what you say he wouldnt have had anything near the practice that borderlanders or warders get in the tower cause they train against other swordman all day thats their life. Where lan is the strongest swordsman which doesnt make sense cause he was running around with just moirain with no one to train against. Even since Teotw they would only fight trollocs what once a week roughly. While borderlanders are training constantly. It also doesnt make sense that Demandred is so good when he probably didnt practice at all in the 3rd age at sword play. But because the writer wants him to be the best he automatically is. Its like when gawyn came along he got raised to 3rd best swordsman or whatever simply because the writer wants him to be netherless he had little training compared to others.
  7. I don't claim it makes sense, but the quotes are right from the source. Took me about 40 minutes to find them BTW. At least, I see that BS did do some revisions. I'd assume that BS's style/prose was an even bigger factor in the issues than the number of drafts. [ IE, some people are very careful and meticulous in putting anything in writing, others write and rely on correcting issues later.] Where does it say that RJ did 12 drafts before showing Harriet? Here you go... Btw here is the best place to pull quotes. http://www.theoryland.com/wheel-of-time-interview-search.php Might shave a bit off that 40 time. There is no flaw. It just doesn't seem as if you are clear on how transmigration works. As for Mogi we know there were other forsaken but they weren't caught in the sealing as she was. RJ Interesting, how did the dark one manage to give access to Ishy to be protected from the taint when he was free but not the others? when he was locked away imprisoned.
  8. As to Moghedien, she may have been among the weakest surviving forsaken, but all 13 [ including her ] were among the most powerful of the original forsaken. This is what seems so strange to me if they had so many channelers back then and the aes sedai act like they are way weaker and less capable then the previous ages aes sedai, then you would think that their would be alot more stronger channelers. In the space of 10 years alone we have Logain, Rand and Taim all close to equal to the strongest forsaken.
  9. Edited cause i was off topic: On topic He does use the TP to shield Taim and Moghedian hints that Demandred had been using the TP to fulfill BAO the WYLD prophecies. Dont have the ebook for aMOL so i cant get the direct quotes for you. This is what bothered me earlier in the books how many revolutionary weaves do we really see? it seems like people in this age know more then the previous age. Warder bond, horizontal gateways, tieing off a gateway, healing gentling,stilling, healing madness, detecting a man channeling etc. What do we actually see that someone in the third age didnt develop? disguising your weaves and disguising your ability to channel are the only things that really come to mind for women. (men dont count as they were virtually extinct the whole age). Robert jordan should have created more interesting attacking weaves in the earlier books, their was little new weaves outside deathgates for combat, The battles between rand and the forsaken i was expecting a new weave to come out here and there but they all just seemed to throw fire. I do like how they do use different words for some things, such as demandred calling circles rings and weaves webs. But they all seem to channel the same. It should have been how brandon described Demandreds sword play how his stances were slightly different weaving should have been the same. I also thought that weaving against another gender was flawed if they cant see the weaves, but they cut the weave. Why wouldnt Aes Sedai always Invert their weaves? Also if they knew the opposite person couldnt see their weaves why not send out their weaves from a different direction to circle around, or lift the earth underneath them.
  10. Their is no content before Teotw, new spring was made after book 10. When robert jordan created the character he made him fit you cant say he would be fit from being out of trouble when robert jordan didnt write anything on him pre teotw to book 10. I could make up that he was super fat and he dieted for a year before they got to the two rivers and it is the same as you saying he would be fat if he didnt fight anyone. Its all pure speculation. Im just making the statement that them being stealthy and not fighting that many dark friends wouldnt have gotten the same training as a borderlander or tower warder who literally just train all day. Instead Lan and moiraine would be walking cross country non stop from country to country. Look at his massive treck accross the borderlands to tarwins gap he came accross no one when the brink of the last battle was upon them. Tower warders just train all day and if lans skill was to make sense he would have had tot rain more but in the end its a book and you can make up that moiraine is the best channeler and let robert jordan say it and it will make sense. According to Lan, people like him attract trouble and death.
  11. in other words if you want rand to die from being gentled then be it if you want him to die from an intoxicated body from the TP then be it the series is over and no notes left after the lighting of the pipe. Create what you want in your head and thats what happens.
  12. This also, what i dont get is moghedian is a relativly weak forsaken with the abudnance of channelers in the age of legends wouldnt their have been more powerful forsaken then her. Blah blah blah i know the whole greed exscuse (which makes little sense if he was scared of them betraying him why not just 13x13). Why didnt the DO transmigrate tons of his old lost choson instead of only bringing back a couple of them once rand had killed them. The dark ones power is flawed earlier in the series.
  13. wait 50 thousand channelers in shara? ahahahahha no chance, Didnt robert jordan say that their were 1% channelers in this age compared to the age of legends. Or did he specify randland only? if he didnt then thats already wrong. Secondly the age of legends was peace with no black ajah killing channelers ect and many channelers would have had tons of kids with other channelers and they still only had 2-3% of channelers. i agree 100% on everything you said.
  14. The reason why demandred didnt win in the hour is because the light have to win and to make a climatic story you have to have the light in a bad position and an underdog. How did the rebels win the battle in return of the jedi? they should have been crashed same reason the good guys have to win. Fayde's logic is stupid RJ says it can kill 20 men, or 6 aiel in the early parts of the series then he says people like lan can kill them by themselves and other borderlanders. Which brings down the threat of them. The light werent using balefire cause its "bad for the pattern". He was surrounded by sharan channelers cutting weaves and taking balls of fire like human shields. Like when logain attacked him he just cut the bad weaves. But there are many things that dont make sense. Robert jordan made channeling too powerful early on int he series and you make a great example of the rand vs seanchan with callandor. Think about it if you added the proper number of channelers the light had it would be like 4k channelers vs the 700 or so sharans and 200 black ajah and ashaman. it would be a white wash. Brandon had to weaken the strength of the one power otherwise circle of 72 demandred and the most powerful saangreal didnt just win the last battle by himself. The last battle would have been stupid if it was by RJ power scale with just channelers wiping everyone. The light should have 1k kin 1k accepted and novices, 500ish aes sedai 1000ish ashaman dedicated and soldiers 300ish windfinders (rough guess) 1000s of wise ones (or more since there was 500 channeling wise ones in the shaido) All with angreal and Saangreal. Taim had 100 converted Ashaman, Black ajah got away with around 100ish black ajah (considering there was 80 something in the rebel camp) Then the sharan channelers and the few men aiel channelers. RJ backed himself into a corner with the numbers and i didnt even include the seanchan. He really had no hope of finishing the series in 1 book. I brought up the same point about graendel but she said she was using a circle. Which i think still doesnt warrant her beating the others especially with cadsuanes net. The egwene vs taim doesnt make sense. Taim is way more powerful compared to egwene normally but egwene should have squashed him with voras wand.
  15. If that's what you took away as the central conflict of asoiaf it may be time for a reread. The mysteries are far more in hidden and less in your face but they are central to what is going to happen down the line. As for WoT it is pushing it to say things got out of control at book 6. 8-10 are the ones that most cite as getting away from him with only CoT really being problematic. What made the WoT great is still in those books and the writing quality never suffered. All the mistakes, unpolished prose, blunt plotwork etc makes it hard to even rank TGS-AMoL with the others. I mean in almost every post for weeks you have been inventing different explanations trying to argue against the many issues people have with AMoL. The fact is they are there and every corner of the fandom(Theoryland etc.) are discussing them. As an aside how is critiquing a book "complaining"? Would love to hear you try and make that argument to some of my old English professors. I have seen a couple claim they wish the books had never been written. That RJ's legacy has been tarnished and they would have preferred the notes. Those people seem to be in the minority however and most of us have been clear around how grateful we are for the work Brandon has done. The plots getting away from him isnt my POV i said its the reviews you get of the series when you google top epic fantasy series. for example the top list for Fantasy has WOT as number 10 and i know this list doesnt mean anything but if your new to the fantasy genre and you google top fantasy series the first thing you read about a series is this "Yes, there are problems with the novels. As so many of you kindly love to point out in comments, Jordan completely loses control of the plots around book 6 and the series spirals out of control for another 5-6 books. Yes, there are too many characters to keep track of. Yes, women are portrayed as two-dimensional characters. Yes, Jordan spends too much time detailing every single little detail, especially on filler stuff that becomes annoying after 10 pages, let alone 10 thousand pages." When you get reviews like this it could be a detterent to start the series. The die hard fans of the series only have problems with book 10 by Jordan but for the topic of what could have made it better would be to make it more accessible to new casual readers such as a condensed later half of the series. Given the considerable success of the series, with seven consecutive number one bestsellers, I think it's fairly hard to argue that it is unduly hard for the casual reader to get into - especially as unless people are starting from the middle, problems in the latter half of the series are not an impediment to getting into it as the casual reader, or any reader, will already have read several books by the time they get to it. In fact, by reducing the number of books significantly you probably stop it reaching the levels of success it did - it would be a done series much sooner, but books sell best when they are released, so it would become a series where new readers come in at a trickle rather than a flood. ive gone to my casual reader friends and said try wheel of time after finding out its 14 books all 1k pages long they said they dont have the time for the series, yet they will read twilight just because of the hype and its such a small series to smash through. If your going on sale numbers harry potter and Twilight are the best series in the genre. dont be silly. Read the reviews on top fantasy series to read and then read the comments and you will get the general consesus on what the more casual readers think of the series and not the die hard fans who half the posters read them write something and instantly believes it. Indeed. RJ's worldbuilding is done to a level that most other authors just don't bother with, and is a great strength of the series. GRRM might be a great writer, but he is not a great worldbuilder - it's basically just copy and paste mediaeval history, and would fall flat if it wasn't for the skill of the writer and the great characters. The only other fantasy author that springs to mind as matching RJ is Tolkien, and his interests lie in different areas, as he was more interested in constructing a mythology than a living, breathing world. I dont get the fanboyism of Tolkein the books pale dramatically compared to the movies for me. Normally when i read books and watch the movies i always thinkt he books are so much better, more interesting and provide alot more detail, such as the harry potter movies compared to the books. With Lotr the books seem so blunt and things come out of no where, like in the hobbit, so many things just end bluntly, like the death of smaug, Tolkein literally just introduces this bard character 5 seconds before he kills smaug and adds a random detail about an arrow being passed on through the generations to add some mystique and history to the attack which seems too sudden and way too forced. As well as scenes like the introduction of erabor in the movie compared to the book. If RJ had a enemy like smaug in his series he wouldnt have some random aes sedai from the white tower with no history just take him out, he would lead into it with a pre used character like the death of belal.
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