Mafia Grievances

[Lanthirrhos]

My s key sucks. I'm warning you now.

 

As someone who doesn't play Mafia here on DM or on JN, here are my pet peeves: the insults are useless banter and detract from the actual gameplay. DM activity levels are way too low with only certain players who are consistently active. Even if you don't think you are good, you could ask questions throw out ideas--even if they are crazy. You just have to coach it in the right terms otherwie you are likely to be labelled as scum. Take advantage of the people you think are good. Maybe see if they'll work through a game they are playing with you.

 

bottom line is to come up with what works for oyu--which brings me to another point: I find it hard to play with newer players, or players of a strict-mafia-theory. Just because I lie and get caught, doesn't make me mafia. It make me a target for the real mafia to try and take advantage of and get lynched and when they snap onto it, we've found them.

 

New or inexperienced players often have a very narrow play style that I frequently get killed in right away. I don't mind that happening the first time or three I'm on a new site, but when it happens every game, I get tired of trying. I almost HAVE to have another MJ player in the game to vouch that I act shady as heck no matter what team I am on. I latch onto you for no reason because that's how I make scum panic--or make a townie appear scummy. I use logic for both alternatives, sometimes it is meek logic, sometimes it's intuition, you can't have everything with every lynch. And just because someone makes sense doesn't make them town. That's my biggest beef here, too few players have an expended acceptance of play style. Of course that only comes with game after game and exposure to other styles of play. Of course, if the person can't make an argument for their style, you probably should question it. Nothing is set in tone in mafia, people shouldn't act like it is.

 

(Should be noted that all tatements are general. In fact, short of the name-calling and insults, I don't have any specific people in mind. And even I start doing that when exposed to other people doing it, so I wont claim to be exempt It's just not a prefered style for me)

 

..And games with smiley traps are so unfair. I hate you so much Lily. (<3 Not really. I lied. And I'm not mafia. See how that worked? No really. I'm not mafia. Ever. [/butt-covering-for-future-games??])

[Vambram]

That is good advice, Lanthirrhos. Thank you.

[Sedai]

Lath, sounds like we play very similar.

[Red2111]

I just want to say that I hope DM mafia never gets back to quite the level of posting that Kivam's game was. I had to drop out because I couldn't keep up. And believe me, that sucked.

 

The huge amount of posting activity in the current GoT mafia game is way too much for me to even try to keep up with. With literally hundreds of posts in one day by the players there, it makes me wonder just how much work they are getting done at their jobs when they are online posting and playing in mafia games.

 

 

 

 

 

i'm torn on the activity of Kivs game. i agree its a bit much for DM standards, but at the same time i'm so over games being less than 15 pages total and people hardly posting that its a welcome change to hve a game where i con't post my trade mark WoT's.

 

if we can get the activity level back to DM7.0 standards, i'd be happy.

 

 

also, yesh, kivs game seems to be crashign DM lmao. atleast we know whats causing it instead of it being a mystery and it isn't for too long

 

 

 

as for the politness in DM, i have to sort of agree with this. its good to have apolite game to work people into Mafia, but at the same time us oldies and the legends aroudn DM like to have a game where a thicker skin is required. theres a difference between inslting a person over a stupid play and insulting them cause you don't liek them. a thin line, but it's there. i'm guilty of being too sensitive sometimes, but i'm workign on that and Kivs game is helping me in this aspect.

 

maybe we could have a game every now and then that allows for a more agressive play style like in Kivs game, just warnign people up front that it's to be expected and that if they don't think they can handle it then don't sign up.

 

 

i think for activity, we might want to employ more fast mafia or other mafia type games which need a faster more active pace fo the game itself. i've got a survivor type game in the works i'd like to try running before Kivs game ends.

[Red2111]

also, i love playing this game with lanth, i wish he woudl play more over here at DM!!

[Verbal32]

I almost HAVE to have another MJ player in the game to vouch that I act shady as heck no matter what team I am on.

 

Yep. I can vouch for this 100%. Hehe.

 

 

 

Lath, sounds like we play very similar.

 

Not really. You make crazy accusations and lie your butt off to scumhunt. Lanth uses mostly logical statements with some circular logic tossed in as a trap. Different styles, imo.

[Sedai]

@Verb, you make minesound bad :(

[Verbal32]

I'll be honest with ya - you are a smart guy and sometimes your schemes work. I'm just not a fan of that style, because it conditions the town to just never trust you......ala The Boy That Cried Wolf.

[Sedai]

Yeah, I agree with that, but I enjoy the constant wifom that that play carries with it. Also it insures my game life for a while. And if and when I die people will look back and think I might of been onto something. Also when I'm scum, it gives me more grounds to fake claim and to just play a more solid scum game. And if I flip as scum everything I've said becomes a wifom.

[Lanthirrhos]

We have to be honest... I go for the crazy too, at times.

 

I dislike having too many other things to do, because I have a good few pages to catch up on yet in this one. If only it were unimportant RL stuff... like work, homework, class, you know, all that stuff that I can safely ignore.

[Verbal32]

If I got through college and my master's degree with that attitude, then so can you!

 

 

Procrastination is an art form.

 

"The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up".

 

Verbal

-Philosopher

[Kivam]

Yeah, I agree with that, but I enjoy the constant wifom that that play carries with it. Also it insures my game life for a while. And if and when I die people will look back and think I might of been onto something. Also when I'm scum, it gives me more grounds to fake claim and to just play a more solid scum game. And if I flip as scum everything I've said becomes a wifom.

 

No, it really doesn't. At this point, the JN folks have basically decided that at worst, you're a townie who stands a good chance of screwing the town with a big lie (like "I had a one time finder view, it said Slats is town"), and at best you're scum - which makes you a good D1 lynch candidate.

[Sedai]

I find it to work better then that tbh.

[Sedai]

Plus I know the remedy for that, just gotta wait until the opportunity arises.

[Verbal32]

I find it to work better then that tbh.

 

Not on JN you won't - but I can see that working here on DM.

[Barmacral]

Personally Jack, every time I've played with you its been here on DM, and every time you've been town, and every time from day 1 you've directed all attention at you, which makes it hard to scum hunt and therefore detrimental to the town, so you're pretty much a "auto-lynch on day 1" person for me, so that I can get focused on actually winning the game.

 

Often times I haven't been able to lynch you on day 1, but I've tried to get rid of you at the first opportunity.

 

I very much have the philosophy that Kiv said the JN guys do in regards to you.

[Sedai]

Meh, whatever. I enjoy the game I play

[WWWwombat]

Jack, I think you should tone it down a bit and return to your style from before you left. No need to completely get rid of the crazy but try to be a little more pro-town.

[Verbal32]

Meh, whatever. I enjoy the game I play

 

If you have fun, that's all that really matters. Even if we principle lynch you D1, hehe.

[Lanthirrhos]

I play a far worse game when RL is happening. :P

 

I dunno, Mynd is one of the most disruptive players I know and I alway like to keep him around--but then he's had the balls to pull a lot of games out of his rear that he really shouldn't have won at all because he IS diruptive and often anti-town-as-town. I've not seen jack play enough to know if he can do it, but I wont knock anyone for trying it. It CAN be amazing, or amazingly bad. Depends on the crowd and the game type... or from game to game it may traverse that entire scale... But there's a reason the Mynd generally dies early... the style has it's draw backs, but a long a you like it. Sometimes being the one to die at a certain times clears up the game one way or another.

 

Dying in't the worst thing that can happen in Mafia.

[WWWwombat]

Dying in't the worst thing that can happen in Mafia.

 

Agreed. I just got the fool role in leelou's game so I baited a nightkill and was pretty happy when I got nightkilled (not that I didn't like the game; I just thought it was good that the mafia wasted a kill on someone who couldn't effectively vote).

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think Jack plays a pretty good game of Mafia actually.

 

In the Aiel game, I was part of a cult team that actually turned out to be the Mafia team as well. We were in a bad way, after killing a secret member of our own team first thing and then losing several more members. Basically we were down to just one when we made the fortunate choice to recruit Jack. He worked miracles, along with the surviving member Leelou and got the remaining Town absolutely convinced that it was impossible for him and Lee to be Mafia/Cult. He basically won the game for us.

 

I have enjoyed every game I have played with him, although I haven't played many it's true - but he makes games interesting. It also seems a bit daft to lynch him day one automatically, when he is really good at working out who the real Mafia are.

 

The other thing he did, which is quite amazing really, is take the time to coach and mentor me, and perhaps others as well, in how to improve my game. Basically, this was a complete revelation. I used to be so afraid and paranoid of playing Mafia, but in my last game I was really confident and actually happy. I had fun! And that was all thanks to the help I got from Jack. You ask anyone in that game whether they thought my game had improved and I'm sure you will get a lot of 'absolutely's.

 

I know that Kivam brought a lot of big game in so we could watch an active game full of Mafia experts - but actually playing with one, and being mentored by one - is another step far beyond that.

 

Perhaps if you all really want Mafia games to improve here on DM, you could all maybe have a go at actively working with us Newbs to make us better.

[WWWwombat]

Jack is very frustrating sometimes. He has good instincts but takes too many risks and doesn't always have the best logic. That being said, I think he is a very good player. I just wish he would rein himself in sometimes.

[LilyElizabeth]

I think Jack plays a pretty good game of Mafia actually.

 

In the Aiel game, I was part of a cult team that actually turned out to be the Mafia team as well. We were in a bad way, after killing a secret member of our own team first thing and then losing several more members. Basically we were down to just one when we made the fortunate choice to recruit Jack. He worked miracles, along with the surviving member Leelou and got the remaining Town absolutely convinced that it was impossible for him and Lee to be Mafia/Cult. He basically won the game for us.

 

I have enjoyed every game I have played with him, although I haven't played many it's true - but he makes games interesting. It also seems a bit daft to lynch him day one automatically, when he is really good at working out who the real Mafia are.

 

The other thing he did, which is quite amazing really, is take the time to coach and mentor me, and perhaps others as well, in how to improve my game. Basically, this was a complete revelation. I used to be so afraid and paranoid of playing Mafia, but in my last game I was really confident and actually happy. I had fun! And that was all thanks to the help I got from Jack. You ask anyone in that game whether they thought my game had improved and I'm sure you will get a lot of 'absolutely's.

 

I know that Kivam brought a lot of big game in so we could watch an active game full of Mafia experts - but actually playing with one, and being mentored by one - is another step far beyond that.

 

Perhaps if you all really want Mafia games to improve here on DM, you could all maybe have a go at actively working with us Newbs to make us better.

 

I love this suggestion. My strength is modding. I'm really only a so-so player, especially as town. And I have a couple of people who bring modding questions to me. I'd be happy to answer them for anyone. I'll help with playing where I can, too. You newer players don't be shy about approaching someone you think is good. That's how my generation got to be where we are.

[Verbal32]

I think Jack plays a pretty good game of Mafia actually.

 

In the Aiel game, I was part of a cult team that actually turned out to be the Mafia team as well. We were in a bad way, after killing a secret member of our own team first thing and then losing several more members. Basically we were down to just one when we made the fortunate choice to recruit Jack. He worked miracles, along with the surviving member Leelou and got the remaining Town absolutely convinced that it was impossible for him and Lee to be Mafia/Cult. He basically won the game for us.

 

I have enjoyed every game I have played with him, although I haven't played many it's true - but he makes games interesting. It also seems a bit daft to lynch him day one automatically, when he is really good at working out who the real Mafia are.

 

The other thing he did, which is quite amazing really, is take the time to coach and mentor me, and perhaps others as well, in how to improve my game. Basically, this was a complete revelation. I used to be so afraid and paranoid of playing Mafia, but in my last game I was really confident and actually happy. I had fun! And that was all thanks to the help I got from Jack. You ask anyone in that game whether they thought my game had improved and I'm sure you will get a lot of 'absolutely's.

 

I know that Kivam brought a lot of big game in so we could watch an active game full of Mafia experts - but actually playing with one, and being mentored by one - is another step far beyond that.

 

Perhaps if you all really want Mafia games to improve here on DM, you could all maybe have a go at actively working with us Newbs to make us better.

 

Jack is a really good scumhunter...we've already acknowledged this. The issue is in his delivery - it sometimes has the opposite effect. You say it's daft to auto-lynch D1.....and it is. In case it wasn't as obvious as the "hehe" was intended to make it, nobody is proposing to just lynch him D1 all the time. But you haven't seen the games we have. Jack is a really good player, and everybody knows it. But like Wombat said, he just needs to rein himself in sometimes. Since being back at DM, he's a different player. Still really good, but in some of our opinions, his prior game was more effective. That's all.