Mafia Grievances

[Red2111]

Frustrating other players purposely is a 100% valid playstyle IMHO

It's a game about arguing with other people

If you are going to get upset when people are say...being purposely illogical then this game might not be for you

 

Also Whyme Fryme is a strategy that says anyone who says "why me?" while being voted deserves to fry aka lynch

It can be surprisingly effective although it really should not be depended on to always net scum

 

How is it effective at all? The whole point of what I am saying is that if someone randomly votes you, you're obviously going to ask why.

The underlying idea is that town wants to catch scum and isn't concerned with who finds them scummy

 

Essentially ignore your critics and focus on what other people are doing that is scummy

Only scum care about self preservation

 

thing is, if you ignore a vote you look scummy.

 

 

theres a big difference between going emo over a vote and getting pressure becuase you react badly and someone trumping up your reacting badly when you ask why their voting you and people believing them cause they can make the person they vote look more dramatic (Mynd is good at making a perosn asking about his intentions look alot more dramatic than they are for instance)

 

 

its a valid teq i suppose, but tends to land the scum in hot water if their not subtle enough and more than likely will get you more townies lynched than scum.

[RandA lThor]

That's fine

You tell them after the game they probably shouldn't do that

 

Yeah its fine, and I also want to catch those people because they do it. That's why i ask.

[Nolder]

Frustrating other players purposely is a 100% valid playstyle IMHO

It's a game about arguing with other people

If you are going to get upset when people are say...being purposely illogical then this game might not be for you

 

Also Whyme Fryme is a strategy that says anyone who says "why me?" while being voted deserves to fry aka lynch

It can be surprisingly effective although it really should not be depended on to always net scum

 

How is it effective at all? The whole point of what I am saying is that if someone randomly votes you, you're obviously going to ask why.

The underlying idea is that town wants to catch scum and isn't concerned with who finds them scummy

 

Essentially ignore your critics and focus on what other people are doing that is scummy

Only scum care about self preservation

 

thing is, if you ignore a vote you look scummy.

 

 

theres a big difference between going emo over a vote and getting pressure becuase you react badly and someone trumping up your reacting badly when you ask why their voting you and people believing them cause they can make the person they vote look more dramatic (Mynd is good at making a perosn asking about his intentions look alot more dramatic than they are for instance)

 

 

its a valid teq i suppose, but tends to land the scum in hot water if their not subtle enough and more than likely will get you more townies lynched than scum.

The trick is to address it in a constructive way "I see Red snuck a vote in on me without explaining why and Soandso is just spamming and Thatguy is just asking questions but not giving his thoughts. I find all three of these people scummy but I am going to vote X because whatever."

When you reply "Well why are you voting me?" It just sticks out as you being nervous and it's a common mistake scum make

 

That's why joke voting used to be a somewhat effective tool because scum actually would overreact and make themselves obvious

I think mafia has moved past the point where simply joke voting someone is going to unnerve them though

[RandA lThor]

I'm not talking about joke votes early in the game, i am talking about legitimate actual votes. And why should you need to hide it, if I am going to express my opinion, I am going to do it. Hiding is for scum.

[Nolder]

Try using some tact and finesse once in awhile

It'll take you further than you'd think

[RandA lThor]

Yes, I know the principle, but the point of me saying that is to bring attention to it to everyone else so they can see that that person just voted without reasoning.

[Red2111]

i dunno Nol. if someone places a vote without a reason i'm likely to questions them regardless of alignment and regardless if that vote is on me or another person.

 

as scum, it makes for easy casing and a possible easy lynch; as town, it looks like scum trying to slip in a wagon vote and blend. best rule of thumb is to just get int he habit of posting an explanation for your vote.

 

as scum i really love townies who throw out votes with no reason after the joke vote phase is over. i'll use that in a case in a heart beat and its very easy to twist as something malicious it the person has any other scumtastic moves. so voting without a reason as town just hands the scum easy ammo imo. doing it as scum just makes you easier to spot

[Turin Turambar]

Rand, A lot of the issue is how you say something not necessarily what you say. You can ask the question of why someone is voting you in a manner that does not cause ears to go up in curiousity. I know sometimes I will make vague accusations to see what the person will do. Perception of the mannerisms of the post will lead more to vote.

 

Also. If you ask once and get no answer do not ask again unless you can put it into a case on that person. the first makes you look over defensive where the second at worst can be seen as an OMGUS. If you have a case then it will be heard.

[RandA lThor]

Yeah, I kind of get what you're saying, but it just doesn't work for me, I guess. Kind of like telling Red to stop bulldogging. Each have their benefits I guess.

[Red2111]

telling me to stop bulldogging, validates my reason to bulldog.

 

ignoring my bulldogging, validates my reasons to bulldog.

 

the only way to deal with a bulldog is to answer my questiosn and hope someone makes a more scummier move. becuase the Bulldog forgets nothing

 

 

 

 

WOOF

[Gabriel Kross]

telling me to stop bulldogging, validates my reason to bulldog.

 

ignoring my bulldogging, validates my reasons to bulldog.

 

the only way to deal with a bulldog is to answer my questiosn and hope someone makes a more scummier move. becuase the Bulldog forgets nothing

 

 

 

 

WOOF

 

Posts like these are outside the spirit of the game, referencing a tactic you use, in a game that is currently playing will modify peoples perspective of you in that game. If it was a tactic you haven't been using in a game that's going on that is one thing, please refrain from making such comments in these situations.

[Red2111]

dude, i bulldog in all games, so how is this specifcally about one game? bulldog IS my playstyle and i use it reguardless of alignment or game i'm in. people know this so i fail to see how this will effect how people see me in current games.

 

 

edit - least we not forget the fact that my post was a joking @ Rands comment.

 

 

seriously dude, take a chill pill.

[Gabriel Kross]

dude, i bulldog in all games, so how is this specifcally about one game? bulldog IS my playstyle and i use it reguardless of alignment or game i'm in. people know this so i fail to see how this will effect how people see me in current games.

 

 

edit - least we not forget the fact that my post was a joking @ Rands comment.

 

 

seriously dude, take a chill pill.

 

It's a matter of perception to those reading the post. However innocent the intent, it may be percieved as intentional. I have broken rules unintentionaly in the past.

[Red2111]

dude, its my playstyle, not a tactic. its also a playstyle i'm more than known for. i'm not breaking any rules.

[Gabriel Kross]

I'll explain it when the game is over on how it can be percieved otherwise.

[RandA lThor]

OK, lets just stop talk for right now just to be safe.

[hazelkrs1]

I just wanna rant about something really quick, and I'll have a MUCH longer post about something else once I've seen another game end.

 

Anyhoo. "Outside the spirit of the game". I'm so sick and tired of seeing this. It's become such a kneejerk reaction to try and make someone else look bad.

 

I mean, the spirit of the game to me seems to be....... winning... the game. Who cares if you use tactics others find questionable? If they're effective, then it doesn't matter what they think. If they're not effective, then they're just stupid tactics, it doesn't matter whether or not they're "outside the spirit of the game". Too many people are holding up the game of mafia on this pedestal like it's some sacred game. It's a game where you get to pretend to kill eachother.

 

What's so sacred about that?

 

Feelings will get hurt, people will take stuff personal, blah blah blah.

 

If a mod finds a certain tactic to be outside the spirit of the game, they'll make sure to say something about it in the rules, or weigh in on it while the game is going on.

 

We need to stop using this bullcrap phrase so much

[Nolder]

I've always felt that riling people up in any way you feel necessary is a perfectly fine tactic

[LilyElizabeth]

We have to remember that it is a game, and some things just go too far, in my opinion. We want to make sure people are having fun, or what's the point? For me, it's not about winning. It's about having fun.

[hazelkrs1]

I have fun when I win

 

[RandA lThor]

Kind of with Lily, riling up people is fine to some extent, but when you get to things that are personal, you need to stop. You can tunnel, doubt the person's claim, vote them even though they have been seen by the cop and try and get reactions. However, these are all inside the game. When you get to talking about them as a person, you need to stop.

[RandA lThor]

I have fun when I win

 

 

and you don't when you lose?

[Nolder]

Remind me to link some stuff about playing to win when I get back from Vegas

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry Lily, had to troll for a sec. Anyways, I really feel that the competitve atmosphere is what helps in making it fun. You can be overcompetitive, sure, but in an online forum it's a little harder for that kind of thing to come across. And because some tactics have been used in the past, like faking emo meltdowns, or gambits where two people launch crazy amounts of verbal assaults eachother's way, I think it's helped to create the atmosphere as it is today, where ANYTHING that happens on thread can and should be considered as gameplay.

 

And after all, there is that phrase- all's fair in love and mafia. Doesn't really seem like one of those phrases that leaves room for interpretation. It's literally saying that anything goes pretty much.

 

I love playing with an aggressive playstyle. Helps move the game forward fast, and I find it's easier to elicit reactions that way. But I try to keep myself from going to far, not because I think mafia is meant to be played more politely, but because I don't want to piss everyone off and make it so they don't want to play with me. Plus, I could be wrong and pursuing the wrong leads.

[RandA lThor]

However, there's a point where if you go too far that anyone, not just mafia will react. That is the stopping point.