Demandred

[yoniy0]

Well, Andor has at least something like 15 000 soldiers. Maybe a lot more.

They have 200k. Elayne said so.

[Suttree]

since as we know andor has a lack of forces (overall) due to the wars and gaebril

 

On the contrary when you combine the Queens Guard and standing armies maintained by the individual houses Andor has the largest army in all of Randland. 200,000 troops...

[Kylar43]

I personally think it makes sence for Demandred to be Taim because in The Gathering Storm:

 

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When Eladia sends sisters over the the Black Tower Taim says " You know what they say, Let the Lord Of Chaos Rule"

The only charachters in the book who have ever said that are The Forsaken... plus hes training his own group of Ashaman. The black tower might end up devided between Rand/Logain and taims followers.

[Durinax]

since as we know andor has a lack of forces (overall) due to the wars and gaebril

 

On the contrary when you combine the Queens Guard and standing armies maintained by the individual houses Andor has the largest army in all of Randland. 200,000 troops...

yes but the majority of them are conscripts, barely trained troops, hardly a professional fighting force. The Queens Guard and mercs are the only professional fighting forces in andor (bar a very small portion of the house forces, afterall I doubt many houses could fund their own standing army)

[Ogrelin]

Perhaps he rules in Shara(land beyond the waste)?

[Terez]

I personally think it makes sence for Demandred to be Taim because in The Gathering Storm:

 

******* SPOILER******************

 

******* SPOILER!!*****************

 

When Eladia sends sisters over the the Black Tower Taim says " You know what they say, Let the Lord Of Chaos Rule"

The only charachters in the book who have ever said that are The Forsaken... plus hes training his own group of Ashaman. The black tower might end up devided between Rand/Logain and taims followers.

RTFT.

[Guest tonymacaroni]

I personally think it makes sence for Demandred to be Taim because in The Gathering Storm:

 

******* SPOILER******************

 

******* SPOILER!!*****************

 

When Eladia sends sisters over the the Black Tower Taim says " You know what they say, Let the Lord Of Chaos Rule"

The only charachters in the book who have ever said that are The Forsaken... plus hes training his own group of Ashaman. The black tower might end up devided between Rand/Logain and taims followers.

 

Dude, one can forgive you lack of knowledge as I'm sure you're newer to the series than the rest of us. Can I point you to the following:

 

http://www.steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.5_taimandred.html

 

The theory is that well-known it had it's own name 'Taimandred' and it's wrong. When the author unequivocally says it is wrong, one can safely assume that you need to look elsewhere.

 

Still, welcome to Dragonmount!

[Terez]

Dude, one can forgive you lack of knowledge as I'm sure you're newer to the series than the rest of us.

He could have at least read the thread!

 

Still, welcome to Dragonmount!

...it says with its first post!

[yoniy0]

It?

Weren't you the one who used to say on her sig that judging folks by their post-count was illogical?

 

@Morriden, as was mentioned above, the theory has been refuted by RJ. Regardless, it was so glaringly clear to everyone that he had to keep denying it for years and years, so you should by no means feel bad for falling in the same trap as the rest of us.

However, Terez is right that you should generally run a search before opening a thread or read a few pages back before posting in one, just to make sure you're on point and what you have to say wasn't already addressed.

 

Anyway, have fun.

[Terez]

It?

Well, a gender wasn't specified.

 

Weren't you the one who used to say on her sig that judging folks by their post-count was illogical?

What has that got to do with anything? It's odd for someone who just showed up to welcome someone who has been here longer than them.

 

However, Terez is right that you should generally run a search before opening a thread or read a few pages back before posting in one

Reading the opening post would have sufficed.

[MasterAblar]

Perhaps he rules in Shara(land beyond the waste)?

 

That's what I've always believed, and I think it would be perfect. Only problem is there's only one book left. How do you introduce so much in just a single book?

[Luckers]

Come on everyone. Play nice.

[Dreggs Morlock]

Overall, the one misconception that newcomers almost ALWAYS have is Taimandred. It just makes soooo much sense!!!

 

For that reason, I personally don't mind repeatedly linking threads for education, though I never seem to get to... other people are faster posters. One could wish they were nicer tho... we kinda want MORE traffic here.

[Luckers]

Ok, continuing my 'play nice' comment, and explaining why some posts have disapeared... I know it's frustrating to explain something already covered, but I asked for nice play, and a simple: "Hey mate, check out the first few pages, they cover a lot of what you're talking about." could have done.

 

If you can't get a grip on your frustration at having to explain something to someone, then don't explain it. Walk away.

[mb]

Perhaps he rules in Shara(land beyond the waste)?

I would rule out Shara because Robert Jordan told that there would not be any on screen visits to there and because I think there would be on screen scenes at each Forsaken's hiding place.

[MasterAblar]

Perhaps he rules in Shara(land beyond the waste)?

I would rule out Shara because Robert Jordan told that there would not be any on screen visits to there and because I think there would be on screen scenes at each Forsaken's hiding place.

 

Well Semirhage was in Seanchan, but apart from Rand and Aviendha's little excursion, we've never been there.

[yoniy0]

Well Semirhage was in Seanchan, but apart from Rand and Aviendha's little excursion, we've never been there.

We haven't been, but the culture and its relevance to the main story was developed since book 2. Plenty of foreshadowing for their connection with the Shadow. I guess you could say the same for the vacuum Graendal created in Shara back in book 6 (was it 6?), but hardly on the same scale.

[MasterAblar]

Well Semirhage was in Seanchan, but apart from Rand and Aviendha's little excursion, we've never been there.

We haven't been, but the culture and its relevance to the main story was developed since book 2. Plenty of foreshadowing for their connection with the Shadow. I guess you could say the same for the vacuum Graendal created in Shara back in book 6 (was it 6?), but hardly on the same scale.

 

Well yeah, that's the only problem I can see with Demandred being in Shara. How do you introduce all that in one book? That's what makes it difficult. Which is a shame because otherwise I think it's perfect:

 

It's cut off from all the other cultures, and is pretty hostlie to all outsiders.

 

Their leaders have as much, or even more, power and influence than the Seanchan leader (over their own people I mean), so they would never be questioned.

 

Apparently there is a bunch of slavery, which is always a good thing when you're on the shadow's side.

 

Their leaders are rumoured to really be controlled by the Ayyad, who are channelers, and channelers can be turned to the shadow. There's bound to already be darkfriends among the Ayyad anyway. So Demandred would have the power behind the group that has the power behind the throne.

 

Furthermore with Greandal's kiddnapping of the Sharan leaders, there's a huge power vaccum. Demandred could set up a proxy. This would take time as, afterall, Shara was probably thrown into chaos because of this, helped by rumours of the Dragon Reborn. However by tGS, and perhaps before then, he has complete control since he claims his rule is secure to Moridin (which would imply that at one point it was not secure). So in addition to being the power behind the people who have the power behind the throne, the guy on the throne is his man anyway.

 

Once he has Shara under his complete control, it would be very easy to turn Shara against Rand, simply by claiming that Rand is a false dragon (which is something that the sharans have got to be wondering about in the first place), maybe even a darkfriend. Therefore the armies of Shara are gathering to fight the Shadow, but will really be turned against Rand and the forces of the light. All they have to do is keep them away from shadowspawn, so preferably in the south of Randland, which is where the Seanchan happen to be. That way the two most powerful nations in the world are turned against each other leaving Randland, and the Aiel, alone against the Shadow's invasion.

 

Shara's armies are also powerfull enough to be of great interest, since they beat back Arthur Hawkwings armies. Shara also has access to a huge amount of channellers which is the one area where the Shadow is currently completely outmached.

 

It would also mean that Semirhage, Mesaana and Demandred split the world between themselves. Demandred being there would also explain what he was doing from books 3-5, which neither him being at the BT (which is founded in book 6), nor him being in Murandy (that buisness starts in book 8 I think) account for. Also if Demandred was in Murandy, I can't see how Greandal wouldn't have found out.

 

More than anything I want Demandred to be there, because otherwise, I'll be stuck asking myself why, when it's such a perfect target, none of the Forsaken thought of taking over Shara.

[Kylar43]

My bad sorry ....

[MasterAblar]

My bad sorry ....

 

I thought Demandred was Taim at first too. I think RJ said he never meant to make people think that, but I can't believe he never noticed how...similar he was making them.

[Durinax]

master abla the issue is that they wouldnt need to throw shara into dissarray. the leaders are changed every 7 years, offset male then female, so all one of them would have to do is go kill one of the crown consorts, and compulse the other to love them and they have all the nations resources at their disposal

[MasterAblar]

master abla the issue is that they wouldnt need to throw shara into dissarray. the leaders are changed every 7 years, offset male then female, so all one of them would have to do is go kill one of the crown consorts, and compulse the other to love them and they have all the nations resources at their disposal

 

Yes, but Demandred likes using proxies, and it really is smarter to not put yourself out in the open like Rahvin did. In any case it's not Demandred who threw the country into chaos it's Graendal who, by kiddnapping the two leaders left a power vaccum. All Demandred has to do is fill it with his followers. It's safer and it fits him better.

[Durinax]

master abla the issue is that they wouldnt need to throw shara into dissarray. the leaders are changed every 7 years, offset male then female, so all one of them would have to do is go kill one of the crown consorts, and compulse the other to love them and they have all the nations resources at their disposal

 

Yes, but Demandred likes using proxies, and it really is smarter to not put yourself out in the open like Rahvin did. In any case it's not Demandred who threw the country into chaos it's Graendal who, by kiddnapping the two leaders left a power vaccum. All Demandred has to do is fill it with his followers. It's safer and it fits him better.

it doesnt matter if he is out in the open in shara, rand wasnt even looking anywhere that way. Everyone knows things are kept quiet over there so he could do whatever the hell he wants

[MasterAblar]

master abla the issue is that they wouldnt need to throw shara into dissarray. the leaders are changed every 7 years, offset male then female, so all one of them would have to do is go kill one of the crown consorts, and compulse the other to love them and they have all the nations resources at their disposal

 

Yes, but Demandred likes using proxies, and it really is smarter to not put yourself out in the open like Rahvin did. In any case it's not Demandred who threw the country into chaos it's Graendal who, by kiddnapping the two leaders left a power vaccum. All Demandred has to do is fill it with his followers. It's safer and it fits him better.

it doesnt matter if he is out in the open in shara, rand wasnt even looking anywhere that way. Everyone knows things are kept quiet over there so he could do whatever the hell he wants

 

It doesn't have anything to do with Rand. It's just how he does things. I believe it's Sammael who says that he likes using proxies. The leader out in the open can get assasinated. The guy who controls him behind the scenes isn't put at risk, which is why Demandred prefers doing things this way. Really though, it doesn't change anything whether he decides to set himself up as the leader of the country or the one who controls the leader. He still has control of the country.

[Guest Czechs In The M'Hael]

I think hes in Saldaea taking advantage of Basheres absence. A gut feeling, no more. Sadly I didnt pay enough attention as to which Saldaeans have been mentioned but not been onscreen.

 

Having said that, Basheres Saldaeans are mentioned here and there in TGS so maybe we could get a name from there somewhere. I'll be rereading TGS very soon anyway