[DPR Mafia] Vampire Hunter 6 - Game Thread

John McClane · July 12, 2011

What do you mean LD is more valuable than Cop? LD had a 1 point price and Cop had a 2 point price. Also, Min seemed to get an actual alignment with Jack from her cop ability. Then again she got a team name for Nolder and others I think.

You are right - Cop was 2, Lie was 1. I got it confused with our team's discussion of Doc (1pt) vs. BPV (2pt), those were the 2 roles our team were questioning the price tag on.

WWWwombat · July 12, 2011

Well if Blackhoof was original, then Saudi Arabia is probably a scum team like Lily was saying. Would like to hear from Nolder on who his fellow Saudis are :baalzamon:

WWWwombat · July 13, 2011

Could be doc can't self protect. Non self-protecting doc in a conversion game where everyone can buy vig might be more useful to scum than town even.

Nolder · July 13, 2011

alright just caught up

there's a lot I'd like to say

mostly "CENSORED!" comments on John and Christine's posts but I'm more interested in staying alive right now

so let's get this over with

everyone please post why you think I'm scum

I will either refute your "evidence" or explain why I did whatever it is I did

you're welcome to take it or leave it I don't want to spend 50 posts arguing/explaining the same thing over and over ok?

John McClane · July 13, 2011

Well if Blackhoof was original, then Saudi Arabia is probably a scum team like Lily was saying. Would like to hear from Nolder on who his fellow Saudis are

This is one theory that can be tested, especially given the fact that Nolder's play has made him a prime suspect for quite a few people.

Another theory is we don't look at the regions, and have everyone own up to which Blind game answers were theirs... and then scum hunt with no regard for territory, especially given that 3 of the potential 4 vampires that could be in the game right now are very likely converts.

I would like to hear from you which of those Blind game posts was yours btw.... maybe your region as well.

Nolder · July 13, 2011

was that really too much? =/

bah

it's annoying posting on a PG site sometimes

John McClane · July 13, 2011

alright just caught up

there's a lot I'd like to say

mostly "CENSORED!" comments on John and Christine's posts but I'm more interested in staying alive right now

so let's get this over with

everyone please post why you think I'm scum

I will either refute your "evidence" or explain why I did whatever it is I did

you're welcome to take it or leave it I don't want to spend 50 posts arguing/explaining the same thing over and over ok?

Personally, I've spent enough time beating you up for you scummy play. I'm not re-iterating a lick of my case on you, and shouldn't need to at this point.

Also, regarding the 50 posts arguing thing... I'll take the over. :rolleyes:

John McClane · July 13, 2011

What do you mean LD is more valuable than Cop? LD had a 1 point price and Cop had a 2 point price. Also, Min seemed to get an actual alignment with Jack from her cop ability. Then again she got a team name for Nolder and others I think.

DPR just basically confirmed that the Cop role is useless and a trap role, as I speculated. Because it only returns region of origin... and everyone originates somewhere.

Nolder · July 13, 2011

alright just caught up

there's a lot I'd like to say

mostly "CENSORED!" comments on John and Christine's posts but I'm more interested in staying alive right now

so let's get this over with

everyone please post why you think I'm scum

I will either refute your "evidence" or explain why I did whatever it is I did

you're welcome to take it or leave it I don't want to spend 50 posts arguing/explaining the same thing over and over ok?

Personally, I've spent enough time beating you up for you scummy play. I'm not re-iterating a lick of my case on you, and shouldn't need to at this point.

Also, regarding the 50 posts arguing thing... I'll take the over.

fine by me

it's pretty obvious you never intended to give me a fair chance at defending myself anyway

this was mostly directed at everyone else who finds me scummy

John McClane · July 13, 2011

fine by me

it's pretty obvious you never intended to give me a fair chance at defending myself anyway

this was mostly directed at everyone else who finds me scummy

You are your own breed of delusional. I've given you a crap-ton of chances and the benefit of the doubt, for a while, but every time you respond to me you make yourself look scummier, not better and that is why I'm voting you.

The simple fact that you respond to me doesn't automatically equate to you being a townie. Its what you have said in your responses that has shaped my perception of you in this game.

At this point, even if you are town which I doubt, you need to go... you are a distraction, you've done nothing but derail me and others throughout every phase of the game.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

Unvote

Vote Nolder

Nolder · July 13, 2011

fine by me

it's pretty obvious you never intended to give me a fair chance at defending myself anyway

this was mostly directed at everyone else who finds me scummy

You are your own breed of delusional. I've given you a crap-ton of chances and the benefit of the doubt, for a while, but every time you respond to me you make yourself look scummier, not better and that is why I'm voting you.

The simple fact that you respond to me doesn't automatically equate to you being a townie. Its what you have said in your responses that has shaped my perception of you in this game.

At this point, even if you are town which I doubt, you need to go... you are a distraction, you've done nothing but derail me and others throughout every phase of the game.

you derail yourself john :rolleyes:

John McClane · July 13, 2011

fine by me

it's pretty obvious you never intended to give me a fair chance at defending myself anyway

this was mostly directed at everyone else who finds me scummy

You are your own breed of delusional. I've given you a crap-ton of chances and the benefit of the doubt, for a while, but every time you respond to me you make yourself look scummier, not better and that is why I'm voting you.

The simple fact that you respond to me doesn't automatically equate to you being a townie. Its what you have said in your responses that has shaped my perception of you in this game.

At this point, even if you are town which I doubt, you need to go... you are a distraction, you've done nothing but derail me and others throughout every phase of the game.

you derail yourself john

Is it considered "pro-town" in your book of mafia to provoke someone who has successfully spotted and cased scum, every time he makes a new case into petty arguments in which you play stupid, exhibit no self-awareness and admonish logic, only to create an inflammatory situation that spams and muddies the entire game?

It is for this reason alone, you are not an asset to the town. Regardless of your alignment.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

Nolder as part of your defense, which of the Blind game responses was yours?

Nolder · July 13, 2011

no john

I'm done playing your game

you're either going to plainly state why you think I'm scum so I can defend myself or I'm done talking to you for the time being

John McClane · July 13, 2011

no john

I'm done playing your game

you're either going to plainly state why you think I'm scum so I can defend myself or I'm done talking to you for the time being

So, you don't want to defend for 50 pages? Or you do? So you don't want me to reiterate my case on you? Or you do?

I've stated why I think you are scum since D1 when you collided with me and drew me off my case on Blackhoof. You actually have done one thing all game that is pro-town, and now you won't even own up to one of the Blind Game answers? There is no question you are scum, OR this is quite possibly the worst game I've ever seen by a townie.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

Well all my teammates are dead...

Are we allowed to share which of the blind things we wrote?

What team were you with... and which blind answer was yours? You never followed this up...

John McClane · July 13, 2011

I'd like to attach each of these statement to their owners... Wombat? Song? Nolder? Each of you has been reluctant to share...

# 1. amegakure

Well it seems like theirs multiplefactions at work. Im not sure about the full plot seeings how this is one ofyour games dpr. With multiple teams and vampires on another team. Then theirsthe part were we've been decieved so im not quite sure what that means. 1.jack 2.john 3.allana 4.min 5.song Half those just for being quiteinactive and the others for already stated scumminess. Also as far as it can be trusted lily is telling the truthabout getting saudia arabia...so im inclined to take her off my list. That'sall folks..

#2.

I think that this Vampire Hunter gamestarted with a team of vampires, and at least two teams of Hunters. TheVampires were probably a small team of four players. The Hunters are from NewYork and Team Paris. However, we have also seen mention of Team Saudi Arabia. Idon't know what to make of that team, except that one of them was revealed as avampire, and that was Blackhoof. I believe that the vampires are: ineedfourberfs Christine leelou John McLane There has been a reveal of a cultleader in this game who is also a werewolf. This person is Jack_D and he saysthat his win condition is that he wins if the Town wins. I believe him, and ifthere are any other werewolves out there, they should be especially focused on huntingvampires because they hate vampires. I know that I am NOT scum, I am NOT a vampire, and I wascleared of being so during the fast game thread.

#3.

1. I'm Leaning that my teammates areClean, and that everyone else is a vampire/werewolf 2. I really think that the team thingactually just hinders the whole process all together though, any one couldbecome a fanger and teammates wouldn't suspect you till it was to late, anoxymoron i know but i trust those on my team for now... 3.as of now my team is clean... ihope 4. the win condition is to be able to change sides asoften as you can to be sure not to feel bad for lynching your teammates.

#4.

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. I think I triggered the werewolf coming on scene because I viewed himand therefore the call to action was put out. Jack D being the werewolf inquestion then didn’t follow the rules on purpose to cause the direconsequences. I do believe we have a vampire teamand possibly a werewolf or two. Well, I know of one for sure, just need to findout if he has any pack mates. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. After so many years in the catacombs hunting these foul creatures youwould think it is easy to spot them. However, these vampires from the Americasare different. It is hard to really tell as they blend in so well at night withthe rest of us and I don’t know these other people from around the world. Atthis point my suspicions are on Christine, Alanna or Leelou are our remainingvampire or werewolves. Maybe ConQuest, can’t get a read on him. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. My teammate and I have killed many vampires together. I wishwe hadn’t lost Sakaea so early on. Those other teams sure don’t know a goodhunter when they see one. I hope we vanquish all of these foul demons to avengethe death of Sakaea. I do doubt my other teammate has been turned as it wouldbe little use to the vampires. 4. Anything else of value that you think will benefit youand your win condition. It would be useful if all the vamps and werewolveswould just eat and bite each other. Then those of us wishing to go about ourlives and hunt what is left in our countries can just clean up the carnage anddo just that. Paris is a lovely city, I really hate spending so much timeunderground there. I would love to sit in the sun and drink coffee at a caféand lead a normal life. My family however has sworn to rid the world of thesecreatures of the night and I will uphold my families honor.

# 5

Part Þe First I have no pretensions as to havingknowledge of what is happening. I have tried to match wits wiÞ Þe Dread Piratebefore and have always ended dashed upon Þe rocks. He is moste cunning anddastardly. Do not Þink for Þe space of one breaÞ Þat you have a grasp on whatis really happening. I agree wiÞ Ms. Lily ElizabeÞ Þat Þe Dread Piratewould have countered Þe possibility of multiple investigateurs, however, I donot agree wiÞ Þe proposed means. þe Dread Pirate is not so simple as Þat. Trustin your heart and in your dreams and you will not go wrong. Part Þe feconde I have no pretensions as to havingabsolute knowledge of who among us is undead, however, I have significantsuspicion of Þe following: Christine Amadine Leelou Vambram Jack D. I have not seen enough of Song of Iceand Fire or mottlee. I suggest Þat Þey join us in hunting Þe vampire scourge orelse Þey will surely perish. Part Þe þrid I have no doubts or questionsregarding my remaining teammate at Þis moment. However, I have taken action toconfirm Þe truftworÞinesse of Þis teammate. þe one called Nolder should nowknow where my teammate stands. Part Þe FourÞ I repeat, trust in your heart and inyour dreams and you will not go wrong. -G

#6

I don't have a very good idea aboutwhat could be going on in this game, and actually, I think that's somethingsome players may be losing sight of. DPR has pretty much said there are thingsgoing on we don't know about, so I think anyone who keeps talking aboutconfirming innocents is merely distracting from actual vamp-hunting. However ithappens, it seems to me that players could be turned at any time behind thescenes, so confirming people, either by teams or findings or the fast game, ispointless. Straight-up scum hunting (meaning, casing people by their posts)will be the best way to serve the town in this game. So no, I don't think eventhe people that came back "confirmed" town from the fast game aresafe. I think it likely some of those people may have actually come back asvamps. The nutty idea that players could be vamps and not know it has crossedmy mind as well, though I'm not sure how that would fit in story-wise. As for who is a vamp - I'm prettysure Nolder is. Aside from that, I just have hunches. I don't really have any doubts aboutmy teammate for now. I'm keeping in mind I can't 100% trust him, but I feelpretty okay about him at the moment. I had initially thought there might besomething off about our team, but one of our members was killed and came outtown, so I'm feeling less unsure about that. I think that's all I have to say.

#7

1.I’ve been thinking that there mightonly have been allowed one CL position and anyone who tried to buy it after thefirst person did would just lose their points, but maybe the first person toactually buy it really got it. I think that’s where the werewolves are comingfrom. I believe Jack on that much. 2.I think the vamps are Team Saudiand Nolder is one of them. Don’t know who the others are yet. There areprobably some recruits who aren’t on Team Saudi, as well. 3.I’m fairly confident in myteammates at this point. 4.I can’t think of anything else that might be helpful.

#8.

First I thought that the vampires wason a seperate team. I´m not so sure about that anymore. If the vampires havebeen recruiting, and that is likely, then no team can be safe anymore. I´mhighly suspicious of one of my team mates. The other one I´m sure of beingtown. Well, as sure as anyone can be in a DPR game. If Jack has recruited there are morethan one wolf. And I guess there can be more wolf packs since more players thanJack could have been tempted to buy the cult leader roll. I think the wolfs area threat to townies. Suspects for original vampires: One(or more) out of Ama, Christine and Leelou. Alanna and Berf. Suspects for recruited vampires or wolfs: Lily and John.

#9. I was thinking of buying the CL role.I was pretty indecisive, and was given a moral dilemma in which I could spend apoint to know if I should or shouldn't buy it, I was given a big fat no youdon't want this role. So there is definitely something up with the role, and Iwouldn't trust Jack D. Also verb was on my team. I am town, so there are vampsamong us.

#10.

1. Jack claiming Werewolf is veryworriying. I have played a LOT of games and ive never seen the cult win withthe town 2. Chrstine, Nolder, maybe berf,maybe wwwombat 3. My teammates are solid. I haventnoticed a change from anyof them being recruited 4. I think we need to concentrate onsharing the info with our viewings. I also don like Jack being cult.

#11

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. To be honest I have no idea what isgoing on. With so many twists and things happening it is very hard to figureout who is a vamp and who isn't. There are so many unknowns that even thepeople who have been semi-cleared can still be recruited vamps. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. nolder amadine christine 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. Whether they are still on my team orhave they been recruited. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition.

#12.

1. I think that there is a team ofWerewolves. The Vampires are attacking the Werewolves in response. 2. Amadine, Wombat, and Song are Vampires. 3. John messed up. Was it on purpose? 4. Is there a team of Vampires and ateam of Werewolves? How many have been recruited?

#13

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. I've got some reading to do to getcaught up, and some of this might be established game knowledge at this point.I'm not sure... anyway, I believe that there are multiple teams of Vampirehunters, as you say. I believe that there is probably a 3rd party or two.Werewolf? Something more gruesome? I dunno. Part of me thinks that the actualvampires don't know who they are... I do think that the vampires started with2-3 players on their team. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. My top 4 for vampires when I left forthe lake on Saturday were JLM, Verbal, Blackhoof and Nolder. You've played withme before, you know I don't always FOS and vote those I think are scum, so afew of the people I pressed was more an example of pressuring and making a"loud" case to see if my scum suspects would try jumping behind me. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. This is the least scummy I think Lilyhas ever seemed to me. Whenever I think she's scummy, she is town. Her lack ofscumminess and vocal role as a leader in the game is either because she's morein her element here at DM, or because she's scum. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. You should modkill the next personthat makes the "you placed a vote, therefore you are scum" case. Itsentry-level mafia at best. :)

#14.

1. We obviously have at least twoscum teams now (Vamps and Wolves). It looks to me like several players could bebussing their teammates so it's hard to tell which are the actual scum andwhich are just OMGUS voters. Hopefully when this blind mafia ends we canconsolidate our votes somewhat and narrow down the pool. 2. Suspect everyone. Anyone could bea Vampire or Werewolf at this point. Scummiest players right now in noparticular order are: Tina, Jack, Nolder, and Christine. 3. Like I said previously, suspecteveryone. I don't have any specific doubts about my team right now but you canbe sure I'm watching them as much as anyone else. 4. It would benefit me and my wincondition if you could list all the baddies for us to lynch. ;)

#15. Leelou (TOWN)

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. - That you are having fun! :) It's obvious there are now werewolvesrunning around among the vampires and townies, as to if they are protown or notis yet to be seen. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. I think Alanna and maybe nolder are vampires. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. None that I can think of so far. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. Go townies! :)

#16.

What i thinkis going on is that DPR is doing research for his next novel LOL gauging ourreactions to being locked up together....

High on mysuspect list is Amega - early in the game he latched onto Wombat’s FOS againstJLM here. Sometime after that i believehe may have been converted because here, he does a complete turnaround and votes Wombat. In thispost Amega agreeswith Blackhoof and casts a weak FOS at Jack.

Also high mylist is Nolder. Firstly for taking quotes out of context here, then backtracking on thoseremarks here and finally when Wombat castthe FOS at JLM, Nolder casthis support in JLMsdirection.

Christine hasbeen playing an overly defensive game (seeexample) which reeksof scum, but i don’t think that she actually is. Also Christine along withLeelou and Amadine remained untested in the Fast Game, which in itself ishighly questionable.

Song appearsto have a double vote here, and agreed with Blackhoof’sreasonings here.

#17

1. I think if we kill the original vampires then they won't be able to recruit.

2. Hoof trying to distract from that point and lynch a player for that makes me believe that point even more.

3. I'm not sure I believe jack's claim that he didn't see the post, however in other games he has stated he has been playing from his phone so I think the point is moot

4. DPR throwing in we have been deceived has me believing in the sleeper vamp idea proposed by wombat and jack

5. I'd like to hear more from Berf, he has barely posted and what he has said has been of little relevance. He opted to vote on jack over hoof, who we know was a vamp. Something we need to note

6. I think the wolves are town friendly. In allthe stories wolves and vampires are mortal enemies.

Nolder · July 13, 2011

I want you to tell me in one post (big or small I don't care) why you think I'm scum

list every reason, every incident, every bit of evidence you have please

and I'll go through it all and tell you why you're wrong

what I don't want to do is argue about my answers to your concerns for 50 pages

you'll state why I'm scum I'll state why you're wrong and that will be the end of it as far as I'm concerned

if you don't want to do it that's understandable

the only thing you have against me is that I've argued with you a lot about fairly pointless things but it's obvious you're just provoking me (and others) so I don't think people will hold that against me

LilyElizabeth · July 13, 2011

I'm #7 and Min was #4, I'm sure.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

I'd like to attach each of these statement to their owners... Wombat? Song? Nolder? Each of you has been reluctant to share...

# 1. amegakure

Well it seems like theirs multiplefactions at work. Im not sure about the full plot seeings how this is one ofyour games dpr. With multiple teams and vampires on another team. Then theirsthe part were we've been decieved so im not quite sure what that means. 1.jack 2.john 3.allana 4.min 5.song Half those just for being quiteinactive and the others for already stated scumminess. Also as far as it can be trusted lily is telling the truthabout getting saudia arabia...so im inclined to take her off my list. That'sall folks..

#2.

I think that this Vampire Hunter gamestarted with a team of vampires, and at least two teams of Hunters. TheVampires were probably a small team of four players. The Hunters are from NewYork and Team Paris. However, we have also seen mention of Team Saudi Arabia. Idon't know what to make of that team, except that one of them was revealed as avampire, and that was Blackhoof. I believe that the vampires are: ineedfourberfs Christine leelou John McLane There has been a reveal of a cultleader in this game who is also a werewolf. This person is Jack_D and he saysthat his win condition is that he wins if the Town wins. I believe him, and ifthere are any other werewolves out there, they should be especially focused on huntingvampires because they hate vampires. I know that I am NOT scum, I am NOT a vampire, and I wascleared of being so during the fast game thread.

#3. Conquest (waiting for him to confirm)

1. I'm Leaning that my teammates areClean, and that everyone else is a vampire/werewolf 2. I really think that the team thingactually just hinders the whole process all together though, any one couldbecome a fanger and teammates wouldn't suspect you till it was to late, anoxymoron i know but i trust those on my team for now... 3.as of now my team is clean... ihope 4. the win condition is to be able to change sides asoften as you can to be sure not to feel bad for lynching your teammates.

#4. MIN

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. I think I triggered the werewolf coming on scene because I viewed himand therefore the call to action was put out. Jack D being the werewolf inquestion then didn’t follow the rules on purpose to cause the direconsequences. I do believe we have a vampire teamand possibly a werewolf or two. Well, I know of one for sure, just need to findout if he has any pack mates. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. After so many years in the catacombs hunting these foul creatures youwould think it is easy to spot them. However, these vampires from the Americasare different. It is hard to really tell as they blend in so well at night withthe rest of us and I don’t know these other people from around the world. Atthis point my suspicions are on Christine, Alanna or Leelou are our remainingvampire or werewolves. Maybe ConQuest, can’t get a read on him. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. My teammate and I have killed many vampires together. I wishwe hadn’t lost Sakaea so early on. Those other teams sure don’t know a goodhunter when they see one. I hope we vanquish all of these foul demons to avengethe death of Sakaea. I do doubt my other teammate has been turned as it wouldbe little use to the vampires. 4. Anything else of value that you think will benefit youand your win condition. It would be useful if all the vamps and werewolveswould just eat and bite each other. Then those of us wishing to go about ourlives and hunt what is left in our countries can just clean up the carnage anddo just that. Paris is a lovely city, I really hate spending so much timeunderground there. I would love to sit in the sun and drink coffee at a caféand lead a normal life. My family however has sworn to rid the world of thesecreatures of the night and I will uphold my families honor.

# 5

Part Þe First I have no pretensions as to havingknowledge of what is happening. I have tried to match wits wiÞ Þe Dread Piratebefore and have always ended dashed upon Þe rocks. He is moste cunning anddastardly. Do not Þink for Þe space of one breaÞ Þat you have a grasp on whatis really happening. I agree wiÞ Ms. Lily ElizabeÞ Þat Þe Dread Piratewould have countered Þe possibility of multiple investigateurs, however, I donot agree wiÞ Þe proposed means. þe Dread Pirate is not so simple as Þat. Trustin your heart and in your dreams and you will not go wrong. Part Þe feconde I have no pretensions as to havingabsolute knowledge of who among us is undead, however, I have significantsuspicion of Þe following: Christine Amadine Leelou Vambram Jack D. I have not seen enough of Song of Iceand Fire or mottlee. I suggest Þat Þey join us in hunting Þe vampire scourge orelse Þey will surely perish. Part Þe þrid I have no doubts or questionsregarding my remaining teammate at Þis moment. However, I have taken action toconfirm Þe truftworÞinesse of Þis teammate. þe one called Nolder should nowknow where my teammate stands. Part Þe FourÞ I repeat, trust in your heart and inyour dreams and you will not go wrong. -G

#6

I don't have a very good idea aboutwhat could be going on in this game, and actually, I think that's somethingsome players may be losing sight of. DPR has pretty much said there are thingsgoing on we don't know about, so I think anyone who keeps talking aboutconfirming innocents is merely distracting from actual vamp-hunting. However ithappens, it seems to me that players could be turned at any time behind thescenes, so confirming people, either by teams or findings or the fast game, ispointless. Straight-up scum hunting (meaning, casing people by their posts)will be the best way to serve the town in this game. So no, I don't think eventhe people that came back "confirmed" town from the fast game aresafe. I think it likely some of those people may have actually come back asvamps. The nutty idea that players could be vamps and not know it has crossedmy mind as well, though I'm not sure how that would fit in story-wise. As for who is a vamp - I'm prettysure Nolder is. Aside from that, I just have hunches. I don't really have any doubts aboutmy teammate for now. I'm keeping in mind I can't 100% trust him, but I feelpretty okay about him at the moment. I had initially thought there might besomething off about our team, but one of our members was killed and came outtown, so I'm feeling less unsure about that. I think that's all I have to say.

#7 Lily

1.I’ve been thinking that there mightonly have been allowed one CL position and anyone who tried to buy it after thefirst person did would just lose their points, but maybe the first person toactually buy it really got it. I think that’s where the werewolves are comingfrom. I believe Jack on that much. 2.I think the vamps are Team Saudiand Nolder is one of them. Don’t know who the others are yet. There areprobably some recruits who aren’t on Team Saudi, as well. 3.I’m fairly confident in myteammates at this point. 4.I can’t think of anything else that might be helpful.

#8.

First I thought that the vampires wason a seperate team. I´m not so sure about that anymore. If the vampires havebeen recruiting, and that is likely, then no team can be safe anymore. I´mhighly suspicious of one of my team mates. The other one I´m sure of beingtown. Well, as sure as anyone can be in a DPR game. If Jack has recruited there are morethan one wolf. And I guess there can be more wolf packs since more players thanJack could have been tempted to buy the cult leader roll. I think the wolfs area threat to townies. Suspects for original vampires: One(or more) out of Ama, Christine and Leelou. Alanna and Berf. Suspects for recruited vampires or wolfs: Lily and John.

#9. I was thinking of buying the CL role.I was pretty indecisive, and was given a moral dilemma in which I could spend apoint to know if I should or shouldn't buy it, I was given a big fat no youdon't want this role. So there is definitely something up with the role, and Iwouldn't trust Jack D. Also verb was on my team. I am town, so there are vampsamong us.

#10.

1. Jack claiming Werewolf is veryworriying. I have played a LOT of games and ive never seen the cult win withthe town 2. Chrstine, Nolder, maybe berf,maybe wwwombat 3. My teammates are solid. I haventnoticed a change from anyof them being recruited 4. I think we need to concentrate onsharing the info with our viewings. I also don like Jack being cult.

#11

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. To be honest I have no idea what isgoing on. With so many twists and things happening it is very hard to figureout who is a vamp and who isn't. There are so many unknowns that even thepeople who have been semi-cleared can still be recruited vamps. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. nolder amadine christine 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. Whether they are still on my team orhave they been recruited. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition.

#12.

1. I think that there is a team ofWerewolves. The Vampires are attacking the Werewolves in response. 2. Amadine, Wombat, and Song are Vampires. 3. John messed up. Was it on purpose? 4. Is there a team of Vampires and ateam of Werewolves? How many have been recruited?

#13

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. I've got some reading to do to getcaught up, and some of this might be established game knowledge at this point.I'm not sure... anyway, I believe that there are multiple teams of Vampirehunters, as you say. I believe that there is probably a 3rd party or two.Werewolf? Something more gruesome? I dunno. Part of me thinks that the actualvampires don't know who they are... I do think that the vampires started with2-3 players on their team. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. My top 4 for vampires when I left forthe lake on Saturday were JLM, Verbal, Blackhoof and Nolder. You've played withme before, you know I don't always FOS and vote those I think are scum, so afew of the people I pressed was more an example of pressuring and making a"loud" case to see if my scum suspects would try jumping behind me. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. This is the least scummy I think Lilyhas ever seemed to me. Whenever I think she's scummy, she is town. Her lack ofscumminess and vocal role as a leader in the game is either because she's morein her element here at DM, or because she's scum. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. You should modkill the next personthat makes the "you placed a vote, therefore you are scum" case. Itsentry-level mafia at best. :)

#14.

1. We obviously have at least twoscum teams now (Vamps and Wolves). It looks to me like several players could bebussing their teammates so it's hard to tell which are the actual scum andwhich are just OMGUS voters. Hopefully when this blind mafia ends we canconsolidate our votes somewhat and narrow down the pool. 2. Suspect everyone. Anyone could bea Vampire or Werewolf at this point. Scummiest players right now in noparticular order are: Tina, Jack, Nolder, and Christine. 3. Like I said previously, suspecteveryone. I don't have any specific doubts about my team right now but you canbe sure I'm watching them as much as anyone else. 4. It would benefit me and my wincondition if you could list all the baddies for us to lynch. ;)

#15. Leelou (TOWN)

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. - That you are having fun! :) It's obvious there are now werewolvesrunning around among the vampires and townies, as to if they are protown or notis yet to be seen. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. I think Alanna and maybe nolder are vampires. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. None that I can think of so far. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. Go townies! :)

#16.

What i thinkis going on is that DPR is doing research for his next novel LOL gauging ourreactions to being locked up together....

High on mysuspect list is Amega - early in the game he latched onto Wombat’s FOS againstJLM here. Sometime after that i believehe may have been converted because here, he does a complete turnaround and votes Wombat. In thispost Amega agreeswith Blackhoof and casts a weak FOS at Jack.

Also high mylist is Nolder. Firstly for taking quotes out of context here, then backtracking on thoseremarks here and finally when Wombat castthe FOS at JLM, Nolder casthis support in JLMsdirection.

Christine hasbeen playing an overly defensive game (seeexample) which reeksof scum, but i don’t think that she actually is. Also Christine along withLeelou and Amadine remained untested in the Fast Game, which in itself ishighly questionable.

Song appearsto have a double vote here, and agreed with Blackhoof’sreasonings here.

#17

1. I think if we kill the original vampires then they won't be able to recruit.

2. Hoof trying to distract from that point and lynch a player for that makes me believe that point even more.

3. I'm not sure I believe jack's claim that he didn't see the post, however in other games he has stated he has been playing from his phone so I think the point is moot

4. DPR throwing in we have been deceived has me believing in the sleeper vamp idea proposed by wombat and jack

5. I'd like to hear more from Berf, he has barely posted and what he has said has been of little relevance. He opted to vote on jack over hoof, who we know was a vamp. Something we need to note

6. I think the wolves are town friendly. In allthe stories wolves and vampires are mortal enemies.

Amadine · July 13, 2011

Posting from work so just a quick one... #16 was mine and there are actually links in the original post by DPR if you look for them.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

I want you to tell me in one post (big or small I don't care) why you think I'm scum

list every reason, every incident, every bit of evidence you have please

and I'll go through it all and tell you why you're wrong

what I don't want to do is argue about my answers to your concerns for 50 pages

you'll state why I'm scum I'll state why you're wrong and that will be the end of it as far as I'm concerned

if you don't want to do it that's understandable

the only thing you have against me is that I've argued with you a lot about fairly pointless things but it's obvious you're just provoking me (and others) so I don't think people will hold that against me

You know what, you are right... my only case on you is for arguing with me about fairly pointless things. Like you derailing my case on Blackhoof, who flipped SCUM. Totally pointless thing to bring up, I'm such an instigator.

The fact that I isolated blind answer #2, and you started derailing me again, makes me thing it was probably another pointless case on a scum player. Did you see how I provoked you though? Every time I think I've got a case on scum, I decide to instead make a whole bunch of coherent points to you, while you respond with blatant BS. I find that you pumping the game thread full of BS is far more relevant than the cases I've come forward with... you know, on SCUM players.

Listen, I really hope you are scum, if you are you've done a decent job trying to knock me off balance, and disrupt the town... if you aren't scum, this has been THE WORST PERFORMANCE I'VE EVER SEEN BY A TOWNIE.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

I'd like to attach each of these statement to their owners... Wombat? Song? Nolder? Each of you has been reluctant to share...

# 1. amegakure

Well it seems like theirs multiplefactions at work. Im not sure about the full plot seeings how this is one ofyour games dpr. With multiple teams and vampires on another team. Then theirsthe part were we've been decieved so im not quite sure what that means. 1.jack 2.john 3.allana 4.min 5.song Half those just for being quiteinactive and the others for already stated scumminess. Also as far as it can be trusted lily is telling the truthabout getting saudia arabia...so im inclined to take her off my list. That'sall folks..

#2.

I think that this Vampire Hunter gamestarted with a team of vampires, and at least two teams of Hunters. TheVampires were probably a small team of four players. The Hunters are from NewYork and Team Paris. However, we have also seen mention of Team Saudi Arabia. Idon't know what to make of that team, except that one of them was revealed as avampire, and that was Blackhoof. I believe that the vampires are: ineedfourberfs Christine leelou John McLane There has been a reveal of a cultleader in this game who is also a werewolf. This person is Jack_D and he saysthat his win condition is that he wins if the Town wins. I believe him, and ifthere are any other werewolves out there, they should be especially focused on huntingvampires because they hate vampires. I know that I am NOT scum, I am NOT a vampire, and I wascleared of being so during the fast game thread.

#3. Conquest (waiting for him to confirm)

1. I'm Leaning that my teammates areClean, and that everyone else is a vampire/werewolf 2. I really think that the team thingactually just hinders the whole process all together though, any one couldbecome a fanger and teammates wouldn't suspect you till it was to late, anoxymoron i know but i trust those on my team for now... 3.as of now my team is clean... ihope 4. the win condition is to be able to change sides asoften as you can to be sure not to feel bad for lynching your teammates.

#4. MIN

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. I think I triggered the werewolf coming on scene because I viewed himand therefore the call to action was put out. Jack D being the werewolf inquestion then didn’t follow the rules on purpose to cause the direconsequences. I do believe we have a vampire teamand possibly a werewolf or two. Well, I know of one for sure, just need to findout if he has any pack mates. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. After so many years in the catacombs hunting these foul creatures youwould think it is easy to spot them. However, these vampires from the Americasare different. It is hard to really tell as they blend in so well at night withthe rest of us and I don’t know these other people from around the world. Atthis point my suspicions are on Christine, Alanna or Leelou are our remainingvampire or werewolves. Maybe ConQuest, can’t get a read on him. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. My teammate and I have killed many vampires together. I wishwe hadn’t lost Sakaea so early on. Those other teams sure don’t know a goodhunter when they see one. I hope we vanquish all of these foul demons to avengethe death of Sakaea. I do doubt my other teammate has been turned as it wouldbe little use to the vampires. 4. Anything else of value that you think will benefit youand your win condition. It would be useful if all the vamps and werewolveswould just eat and bite each other. Then those of us wishing to go about ourlives and hunt what is left in our countries can just clean up the carnage anddo just that. Paris is a lovely city, I really hate spending so much timeunderground there. I would love to sit in the sun and drink coffee at a caféand lead a normal life. My family however has sworn to rid the world of thesecreatures of the night and I will uphold my families honor.

# 5

Part Þe First I have no pretensions as to havingknowledge of what is happening. I have tried to match wits wiÞ Þe Dread Piratebefore and have always ended dashed upon Þe rocks. He is moste cunning anddastardly. Do not Þink for Þe space of one breaÞ Þat you have a grasp on whatis really happening. I agree wiÞ Ms. Lily ElizabeÞ Þat Þe Dread Piratewould have countered Þe possibility of multiple investigateurs, however, I donot agree wiÞ Þe proposed means. þe Dread Pirate is not so simple as Þat. Trustin your heart and in your dreams and you will not go wrong. Part Þe feconde I have no pretensions as to havingabsolute knowledge of who among us is undead, however, I have significantsuspicion of Þe following: Christine Amadine Leelou Vambram Jack D. I have not seen enough of Song of Iceand Fire or mottlee. I suggest Þat Þey join us in hunting Þe vampire scourge orelse Þey will surely perish. Part Þe þrid I have no doubts or questionsregarding my remaining teammate at Þis moment. However, I have taken action toconfirm Þe truftworÞinesse of Þis teammate. þe one called Nolder should nowknow where my teammate stands. Part Þe FourÞ I repeat, trust in your heart and inyour dreams and you will not go wrong. -G

#6

I don't have a very good idea aboutwhat could be going on in this game, and actually, I think that's somethingsome players may be losing sight of. DPR has pretty much said there are thingsgoing on we don't know about, so I think anyone who keeps talking aboutconfirming innocents is merely distracting from actual vamp-hunting. However ithappens, it seems to me that players could be turned at any time behind thescenes, so confirming people, either by teams or findings or the fast game, ispointless. Straight-up scum hunting (meaning, casing people by their posts)will be the best way to serve the town in this game. So no, I don't think eventhe people that came back "confirmed" town from the fast game aresafe. I think it likely some of those people may have actually come back asvamps. The nutty idea that players could be vamps and not know it has crossedmy mind as well, though I'm not sure how that would fit in story-wise. As for who is a vamp - I'm prettysure Nolder is. Aside from that, I just have hunches. I don't really have any doubts aboutmy teammate for now. I'm keeping in mind I can't 100% trust him, but I feelpretty okay about him at the moment. I had initially thought there might besomething off about our team, but one of our members was killed and came outtown, so I'm feeling less unsure about that. I think that's all I have to say.

#7 Lily

1.I’ve been thinking that there mightonly have been allowed one CL position and anyone who tried to buy it after thefirst person did would just lose their points, but maybe the first person toactually buy it really got it. I think that’s where the werewolves are comingfrom. I believe Jack on that much. 2.I think the vamps are Team Saudiand Nolder is one of them. Don’t know who the others are yet. There areprobably some recruits who aren’t on Team Saudi, as well. 3.I’m fairly confident in myteammates at this point. 4.I can’t think of anything else that might be helpful.

#8.

First I thought that the vampires wason a seperate team. I´m not so sure about that anymore. If the vampires havebeen recruiting, and that is likely, then no team can be safe anymore. I´mhighly suspicious of one of my team mates. The other one I´m sure of beingtown. Well, as sure as anyone can be in a DPR game. If Jack has recruited there are morethan one wolf. And I guess there can be more wolf packs since more players thanJack could have been tempted to buy the cult leader roll. I think the wolfs area threat to townies. Suspects for original vampires: One(or more) out of Ama, Christine and Leelou. Alanna and Berf. Suspects for recruited vampires or wolfs: Lily and John.

#9. I was thinking of buying the CL role.I was pretty indecisive, and was given a moral dilemma in which I could spend apoint to know if I should or shouldn't buy it, I was given a big fat no youdon't want this role. So there is definitely something up with the role, and Iwouldn't trust Jack D. Also verb was on my team. I am town, so there are vampsamong us.

#10.

1. Jack claiming Werewolf is veryworriying. I have played a LOT of games and ive never seen the cult win withthe town 2. Chrstine, Nolder, maybe berf,maybe wwwombat 3. My teammates are solid. I haventnoticed a change from anyof them being recruited 4. I think we need to concentrate onsharing the info with our viewings. I also don like Jack being cult.

#11

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. To be honest I have no idea what isgoing on. With so many twists and things happening it is very hard to figureout who is a vamp and who isn't. There are so many unknowns that even thepeople who have been semi-cleared can still be recruited vamps. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. nolder amadine christine 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. Whether they are still on my team orhave they been recruited. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition.

#12.

1. I think that there is a team ofWerewolves. The Vampires are attacking the Werewolves in response. 2. Amadine, Wombat, and Song are Vampires. 3. John messed up. Was it on purpose? 4. Is there a team of Vampires and ateam of Werewolves? How many have been recruited?

#13

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. I've got some reading to do to getcaught up, and some of this might be established game knowledge at this point.I'm not sure... anyway, I believe that there are multiple teams of Vampirehunters, as you say. I believe that there is probably a 3rd party or two.Werewolf? Something more gruesome? I dunno. Part of me thinks that the actualvampires don't know who they are... I do think that the vampires started with2-3 players on their team. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. My top 4 for vampires when I left forthe lake on Saturday were JLM, Verbal, Blackhoof and Nolder. You've played withme before, you know I don't always FOS and vote those I think are scum, so afew of the people I pressed was more an example of pressuring and making a"loud" case to see if my scum suspects would try jumping behind me. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. This is the least scummy I think Lilyhas ever seemed to me. Whenever I think she's scummy, she is town. Her lack ofscumminess and vocal role as a leader in the game is either because she's morein her element here at DM, or because she's scum. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. You should modkill the next personthat makes the "you placed a vote, therefore you are scum" case. Itsentry-level mafia at best. :)

#14.

1. We obviously have at least twoscum teams now (Vamps and Wolves). It looks to me like several players could bebussing their teammates so it's hard to tell which are the actual scum andwhich are just OMGUS voters. Hopefully when this blind mafia ends we canconsolidate our votes somewhat and narrow down the pool. 2. Suspect everyone. Anyone could bea Vampire or Werewolf at this point. Scummiest players right now in noparticular order are: Tina, Jack, Nolder, and Christine. 3. Like I said previously, suspecteveryone. I don't have any specific doubts about my team right now but you canbe sure I'm watching them as much as anyone else. 4. It would benefit me and my wincondition if you could list all the baddies for us to lynch. ;)

#15. Leelou (TOWN)

1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. - That you are having fun! :) It's obvious there are now werewolvesrunning around among the vampires and townies, as to if they are protown or notis yet to be seen. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. I think Alanna and maybe nolder are vampires. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. None that I can think of so far. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. Go townies! :)

#16. Amadine

What i thinkis going on is that DPR is doing research for his next novel LOL gauging ourreactions to being locked up together....

High on mysuspect list is Amega - early in the game he latched onto Wombat’s FOS againstJLM here. Sometime after that i believehe may have been converted because here, he does a complete turnaround and votes Wombat. In thispost Amega agreeswith Blackhoof and casts a weak FOS at Jack.

Also high mylist is Nolder. Firstly for taking quotes out of context here, then backtracking on thoseremarks here and finally when Wombat castthe FOS at JLM, Nolder casthis support in JLMsdirection.

Christine hasbeen playing an overly defensive game (seeexample) which reeksof scum, but i don’t think that she actually is. Also Christine along withLeelou and Amadine remained untested in the Fast Game, which in itself ishighly questionable.

Song appearsto have a double vote here, and agreed with Blackhoof’sreasonings here.

#17

1. I think if we kill the original vampires then they won't be able to recruit.

2. Hoof trying to distract from that point and lynch a player for that makes me believe that point even more.

3. I'm not sure I believe jack's claim that he didn't see the post, however in other games he has stated he has been playing from his phone so I think the point is moot

4. DPR throwing in we have been deceived has me believing in the sleeper vamp idea proposed by wombat and jack

5. I'd like to hear more from Berf, he has barely posted and what he has said has been of little relevance. He opted to vote on jack over hoof, who we know was a vamp. Something we need to note

6. I think the wolves are town friendly. In allthe stories wolves and vampires are mortal enemies.

John McClane · July 13, 2011

Posting from work so just a quick one... #16 was mine and there are actually links in the original post by DPR if you look for them.

That was the one I felt was most townie I believe, great post.

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