[Advanced Mafia] Black Ajah - GAME OVER!

[bgrishinko]

Grrr.... Vote csarmi

[bgrishinko]

Ok, I swear I only hit the submit button once...

[Red2111]

why are you pressuring someone to cast a vote BG? that looks scummy to me. unless you forgot to glow yor vote

 

 

imo the lack of movement on Drews lynch makes me relaly think he's scum. i'd like to hear from him as well, but he could also be scum avoiding the thread in hopes to stall his lynch.

 

 

theres no real rush until tomorrow though; i agree with that.

[csarmi]

Bg, you're not making much sense. Still, for you, here's the full history of the events:

 

As I don't think I'll get support for a leelou lynch (we're using the short list right now?), here's my take:

 

1) UNVOTE

 

2) I'm okay fine with voting Drew as he's high on my shortlist anyway.

 

At this point, to my best knowledge, it is L-4.

Now note the timing:

 

[...] Vote Drew, that should be L3. [...]

 

My post went through and I realize I didn't put Drew at L3, but L2 instead, so I point that out:

 

I think that's an L-2, so proceed with caution. We're supposed to hear from Drew still.

 

(Note the time again, 2 mins passed since my last post).

 

After that, leelou puts it to L1:

 

[..]Drew[..]

 

I reply to him, then logout. I have to be out for a while, and on the way home I figure it's to risky to leave that on L-1 (as we might lose a lot of information) so as soon as I get online again, I unvote...

 

Which is it csarmi? You knew it was L-2, later you thought it was only L-3? Waiting for teammates? Vote csarmi.

 

Wait for teammates? Now how does that make any sense?

[csarmi]

One more thing BG:

 

Voting me 4 times in a row doesn't put me at L-4 :)

[bgrishinko]

One more thing BG:

 

Voting me 4 times in a row doesn't put me at L-4 :)

 

Ha. Yeah, well. 1 post blew up into 4 randomly. I blame DM.

 

Fair enough reasoning though on the L-3 L-2 issue. I am still giving you the suspicious eye for now until we hear from Drew. Some of your previous days activities don't make all that much sense to me.

[MrLiterate]

One more thing BG:

 

Voting me 4 times in a row doesn't put me at L-4 :)

 

Ha. Yeah, well. 1 post blew up into 4 randomly. I blame DM.

 

Fair enough reasoning though on the L-3 L-2 issue. I am still giving you the suspicious eye for now until we hear from Drew. Some of your previous days activities don't make all that much sense to me.

 

All these L levels are confusing me. I looked back a bit and saw that Song made a mistake with the last time she called an L-level, so I'm going to give leelou the benefit of the doubt right now and Unvote. We'll see what happens in that direction another day, maybe.

 

This strikes me as supicious - I'm simply not sure why you're voting CS for (possibly) making a similar mistake with L-levels, BG?

 

I'll hold my vote back for now, got tabs on Drew (still waiting to see what he has to say about the little slip) and until then, I think I'll stick my vote on BG. The whole 'grrr' just doesn't sound like a good argument for a vote, especially considering that CS didn't actually do anything particularly suspicious. I've noticed that you're pretty fast to vote, too, BG - I'm pretty sure I saw a ninjavote from you earlier in the thread.

[bgrishinko]

 

All these L levels are confusing me. I looked back a bit and saw that Song made a mistake with the last time she called an L-level, so I'm going to give leelou the benefit of the doubt right now and Unvote. We'll see what happens in that direction another day, maybe.

 

This strikes me as supicious - I'm simply not sure why you're voting CS for (possibly) making a similar mistake with L-levels, BG?

 

I'll hold my vote back for now, got tabs on Drew (still waiting to see what he has to say about the little slip) and until then, I think I'll stick my vote on BG. The whole 'grrr' just doesn't sound like a good argument for a vote, especially considering that CS didn't actually do anything particularly suspicious. I've noticed that you're pretty fast to vote, too, BG - I'm pretty sure I saw a ninjavote from you earlier in the thread.

 

This is why I accepted his explanation of the L votes. Your predecessor came under fire for the same thing that I just tried to call out csarmi for on Day 2's vote. I don't mind people voting at the end and "ninja-voting," if the explanation makes sense. If the accused has time to respond, there isn't an issue, in my opinion. Berf has time to explain himself and was active during all the voting process. Unfortunately, for all of us, he did so poorly. I just saw what I thought was a logical error and used it as an opportunity to push csarmi a little. There are other reasons he has pinged me such as his flip-flop vote on day one that have made me little suspicious.

 

The reason for my vote was not "Grr..." Grrr.... was in response to me forgetting to glow my vote.

 

You know, I remember Wombat pushing for a Song vote pretty solidly until the Berf lynch came and went in the course of a day. Interesting that Wombat would be killed off that very night... seems like it might have been a little bit of revenge, hmm?

[mmeeshal]

Well with all the unvoting that's been going on I'm going to go ahead and place my vote. I just didn't want to cast the hammer until we'd heard from Drew.

 

Vote Drew

[alannalynn]

This is where PREVIEWING your post is excellent before posting. It fixes grammar ('cause nobody's perfect), prevents you from slipping up as scum, makes you reread to find holes in your logic, and you don't have to post 5 times in a row to fix what you screwed up...

 

As for Drew, I'm growing more and more suspicious like Red, and I'm seeing little distraction attempts with the vote jumping.

 

"L Levels" are the number of votes until the lynch is complete. So L-2 is Lynch minus two votes.. if that clears it up for anyone.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm beginning to think that Drew has nothing to say. I very much want to hear what he has to say.

 

Vote Drew

[MrLiterate]

 

All these L levels are confusing me. I looked back a bit and saw that Song made a mistake with the last time she called an L-level, so I'm going to give leelou the benefit of the doubt right now and Unvote. We'll see what happens in that direction another day, maybe.

 

This strikes me as supicious - I'm simply not sure why you're voting CS for (possibly) making a similar mistake with L-levels, BG?

 

I'll hold my vote back for now, got tabs on Drew (still waiting to see what he has to say about the little slip) and until then, I think I'll stick my vote on BG. The whole 'grrr' just doesn't sound like a good argument for a vote, especially considering that CS didn't actually do anything particularly suspicious. I've noticed that you're pretty fast to vote, too, BG - I'm pretty sure I saw a ninjavote from you earlier in the thread.

 

This is why I accepted his explanation of the L votes. Your predecessor came under fire for the same thing that I just tried to call out csarmi for on Day 2's vote. I don't mind people voting at the end and "ninja-voting," if the explanation makes sense. If the accused has time to respond, there isn't an issue, in my opinion. Berf has time to explain himself and was active during all the voting process. Unfortunately, for all of us, he did so poorly. I just saw what I thought was a logical error and used it as an opportunity to push csarmi a little. There are other reasons he has pinged me such as his flip-flop vote on day one that have made me little suspicious.

 

The reason for my vote was not "Grr..." Grrr.... was in response to me forgetting to glow my vote.

 

You know, I remember Wombat pushing for a Song vote pretty solidly until the Berf lynch came and went in the course of a day. Interesting that Wombat would be killed off that very night... seems like it might have been a little bit of revenge, hmm?

 

Ah, I wasn't sure what the 'grrr...' meant. I don't know what was going on between Song/Wombat (Some sort of rivalry or something? The first thing Song did was vote for Wombat) but it was Blackhoof and Berf he eventually voted for.

 

I'm sticking my vote on you for the interim, but only because it seems it could bear some fruit (from my little experience you seem to have the scummiest recent past with the ninja and this whole jumping on CS thing).

[Alanna]

Vote Count

Leelou (2) - Talmanes, Drew

Drew (7) - Blackhoof, Curt, Red, AJ, leelou, Meesh, Krak

Red (1) - Aust

Csarmi (1) - BG

 

Not Voting (3): Player, csarmi, MrL

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

DEADLINE: THURSDAY, APRIL 14 @ 4PM CST.

[DrewRiley]

I'm here! Please don't hammer until I've had a chance to catch up. RL problems have kept me off. Give me a little bit, thank you!

[Krakalakachkn]

He lives!

[DrewRiley]

I took a roadtrip for a concert on Sunday, then had a flat and bent rim, AWD vehicle so I had to wait for a replacement tire of the same kind. I brought my computer but no charger I tried to post from my phone but it wouldn't let me log on. I apologize for the absence! If you know me I'm rarely gone for that long, and wasn't planning on not being available at all. I also usually chip in regularly and never lurk. Anyway, I'm going through the last two or three pages thoroughly right now and I'll be back with a response as soon as I can be.

[DrewRiley]

Okay, reading through these last several pages, I'm kind of miffed. I know what happens in a big game - there's a lot of fingers being pointed at a lot of different people, and it's very hard to keep track of. So when a few votes land on one person, people start to forget why those votes are on that person in the first place. And then you get a little bit of a bandwagon just because people want to lynch and see what happens. I totally get this and have been guilty of it before as well.

 

So that's what I see happening here. People will cast their vote for me because "I'm the best choice" without really saying why. I don't think that's scummy, it's natural, and it sucks that I haven't been around to defend myself.

 

The other weird thing is people expressing suspicion of several other players and then voting for me. This, I think, is sort of scummy, because it's a way to clear yourself when I flip town ("Drew was just where town was headed but I was really suspicious of so-and-so) and it creates momentum against those people going into the next day phase.

 

I see a couple of reason people think I'm scum right now. One of these baffles me, and it's when I used a hypothetical to refute Curt:

 

I am kinda leaning towards Drew since he was so fast to put together an argument against someone who isnt on the red hot list

 

This argument doesn't make any sense, Curt, unless you think each person on the "red hot list" is on my scum team. Your implication is that I'm trying to draw attention away from everyone on that list. I would try to put together a wagon against someone on that list who wasn't on my team.

 

Curt hasn't been the only victim of this logic, either. So here's the logic: I vote for Leelou (who wasn't on the shortlist), therefore I must be protecting someone on the shortlist.

 

This makes no sense, because if I'm protecting one person on the shortlist, I'm really protecting them all (by trying to start a bandwagon for leelou). But this would be a bad play for a mafia member. Scum would focus on one person on the shortlist that was not on their scum team, because people on that list are more vulnerable than someone not on that list.

 

I basically said that, except I used a hypothetical and the phrase "my team." It's either the most narrow-minded thing to vote me because I used that hypothetical, or it's scum picking out a tiny phrase and trying to start a wagon from there, I don't know which. But the fact that some people are still voting me for saying that, and the fact that some people have said I haven't explained myself, is how I know something fishy is happening. I didn't say anything incriminating, and I did explain it.

 

The other reason people suspect me is for being on the shortlist, and that has some sense to it, but I addressed that as well. I think I had a damn good reason for voting Phelix based on the three thing, but it turned out wrong. That was a mistake. I gave my reasons probably more thoroughly than anyone else concerning the Berf lynch, also, and that turned out wrong too. Though I was less sure of that one, the lynch manifested pretty damn fast which I didn't anticipate.

 

Being on that list is unlucky, and there's nothing I can do about that. I'm going to post again in a while who I think is scum from the last few days. Even if I get lynched, I hope my casing will help going forward.

[DrewRiley]

Thorough reread happening, and BG (who pinged me a bit and made me say "I think I have an idea,") has easily risen to the surface of my suspicion. Mainly because of his oh-so-careful voting, unvoting, monitoring of the voting situation, buddying up to people, and some of his attempts at distraction.

 

It's late and I'm tired and the next few days are going to get busy for me as there are only 3 days of the semester left before finals and Graduation. As such I don't have a lot of time to layout my case I've got brewing. In any case, it is mostly intuition, but I wanted to vote in case I don't have a lot of time to do it later and something drastic happens.

VOTE DREW

 

It's VERY unlike BG to do the evidence work, here. Metagaming, but he seems to do really good research. This looks like jumping on board without doing that research, which is what struck me about him in the first day as well.

 

BG i didn't actually get out a calculator to put down the exact % lol i was going off the top of my head quickly. and i did state that this is based on my assumptions of what i think is likely and what isnt and that i could be wrong; but as no one said anythign about it, i figured it was worth pointing out my thoughts incase others feel the same way. right now i have no inside info BG, so conjector and whats happened on thread is all i have to go on.

 

 

now, aside from my % not beging exactly right to the decimal, is there anything you disagree with, or any thoughts on what i have stated (other than ofcourse pointing out what i've already said within the post that it's based on assumption)

 

 

You're right, I shouldn't have focused so much on the percentages... I don't know why they interest me so much in this particular game. I guess this is one of the few games that I feel like there is a way to prove scum besides just suspicions.

Anyway, other than the decimal thing, I don't disagree with your statements. They make sense actually. But I find it highly unlikely with only 1 NK that both mafia teams are part of the Scary Six. The chances seem very very slim to me, considering the (presumably) smaller size of Team B. I'll have to think it over more.

 

 

Okay I am back and ready to play for real this time. It was a stressful few days for me. And I just got back like an hour ago from a 7 hour drive.

 

Please stop using percentages or math of any kind. I'm not in school for a reason my eyes gloss over and I skip over the post. You need to dumb it down, especially as my brain is fried from this weekend. I promise I'll actually do a reread this time, last time I ended up getting a call and had to do Army classes on the net on my own time *grumbles*

 

... sorry... I can't help it. :( You can ignore them if you wish.

 

First, I won't dare quote it, but the numbers thing was SUCH a massive failed distraction. I still don't completely understand it, but BG made it look so official that I think he was hoping he could use it to trap someone on the shortlist. As I said regarding the Curt Logic, scum would be wise to point fingers at someone on the shortlist who is not on their scum team.

 

Buddying up to Red, which as scum is a really good idea, because Red is a convincing and vocal poster. She also is a proponent of the shortlist idea. I think BG is trying to clear himself by trying to fish out a scum from the shortlist and then use that lynch as evidence of his innocence.

 

Yea well when I posted my vote for Drew, AJ haven't posted yet (we posted simultanously) and I thought I'd be putting him on L-3 only.

I'm uncomfortable with that L-1 before we hear from him, so I UNVOTE.

 

I'm willing to vote Drew and I think he's the best candidate for the lynch too, but we still got 24h left so there is no hurry.

 

I might look like a fool with all that vote/unvote but I don't care.

 

Agreed, we still have a whole day, why not hear from him first? UNVOTE

 

Unvoting me right after csarmi does. Csarmi's vote took away most of the threat of a speedhammer, but BG is afraid of being on 3 town lynches, so he unvotes too. Also buddying up to csarmi, who has been pretty vocal as well.

 

 

All these L levels are confusing me. I looked back a bit and saw that Song made a mistake with the last time she called an L-level, so I'm going to give leelou the benefit of the doubt right now and Unvote. We'll see what happens in that direction another day, maybe.

 

This strikes me as supicious - I'm simply not sure why you're voting CS for (possibly) making a similar mistake with L-levels, BG?

 

I'll hold my vote back for now, got tabs on Drew (still waiting to see what he has to say about the little slip) and until then, I think I'll stick my vote on BG. The whole 'grrr' just doesn't sound like a good argument for a vote, especially considering that CS didn't actually do anything particularly suspicious. I've noticed that you're pretty fast to vote, too, BG - I'm pretty sure I saw a ninjavote from you earlier in the thread.

 

This is why I accepted his explanation of the L votes. Your predecessor came under fire for the same thing that I just tried to call out csarmi for on Day 2's vote. I don't mind people voting at the end and "ninja-voting," if the explanation makes sense. If the accused has time to respond, there isn't an issue, in my opinion. Berf has time to explain himself and was active during all the voting process. Unfortunately, for all of us, he did so poorly. I just saw what I thought was a logical error and used it as an opportunity to push csarmi a little. There are other reasons he has pinged me such as his flip-flop vote on day one that have made me little suspicious.

 

The reason for my vote was not "Grr..." Grrr.... was in response to me forgetting to glow my vote.

 

You know, I remember Wombat pushing for a Song vote pretty solidly until the Berf lynch came and went in the course of a day. Interesting that Wombat would be killed off that very night... seems like it might have been a little bit of revenge, hmm?

 

I agree with MrLiterate (welcome, btw) that BG had a ninjavote earlier, and here BG seems to try to say that ninjavoting is okay. But he still keeps his distance from my lynch, worried I'll flip town. He also distances himself from Berf's lynch and blames Berf, rather than just owning it and saying "my bad." Scum have a tough deal, trying to lynch town while not looking like they wanted to lynch town. So when someone tries to distance themselves from a lynch, it pings me big time.

 

Also notice here BG putting suspicion on MrLiterate due to Wombat's kill and his previous suspicion of Song. Throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks. As has been said many times, suspecting someone based on the NK is major WIFOM and usually backfires.

 

In conclusion, BG has been pinging me since day 1, and I think he's been pinging some of you as well. He's playing so much differently than in the other game I've played with him, and that's what started it, but his constant voting/unvoting today has me suspecting him in a major way. So for right now, vote BG.

 

We have time to see where this goes, and if everyone's around (which they seem to have been), I think we have time to discuss this and still get a lynch by deadline.

[DrewRiley]

Still re-reading, and I just realized my vote was down for leelou. Whoops!

 

UNVOTE

VOTE BG

[Krakalakachkn]

Good call on BG. There's greater evidence for his case than yours, and you put into words what I've been feeling for a while but didn't follow up on.

Unvote

Vote BG

[MrLiterate]

Vote Count

Leelou (2) - Talmanes, Drew

Drew (7) - Blackhoof, Curt, Red, AJ, leelou, Meesh, Krak

Red (1) - Aust

Csarmi (1) - BG

 

Not Voting (3): Player, csarmi, MrL

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

DEADLINE: THURSDAY, APRIL 14 @ 4PM CST.

 

Whoops, seems I forgot the 'vote' before the 'BG', so let me officially VOTE BG

 

Nice to meet you Drew! I have to say, your last posts have probably been the strongest case so far - I'm really starting to see why I voted BG there - I had a general bad feeling about the snipe and skittishness, but I admit that voting you was more of a groupthink thing than anything else. I was thinking about this as I read your post actually - I was looking for some reason for you using the hypothetical 'my scum...' thing, but what deeper reason could there be aside from writing in a hypothetical sense?

 

Basically, I think I was looking for something that's gone wrong, but I've been barking up the wrong tree. Newbie jumping on the bandwagon earlier? Drew's off the hook, as far as I'm concerned, now I'd really love some explanation from BG beyond trying to shift the blame on me for something I wasn't here for (the whole Wookie thing)

[bgrishinko]

My response:

Thorough reread happening, and BG (who pinged me a bit and made me say "I think I have an idea,") has easily risen to the surface of my suspicion. Mainly because of his oh-so-careful voting, unvoting, monitoring of the voting situation, buddying up to people, and some of his attempts at distraction.

 

It's late and I'm tired and the next few days are going to get busy for me as there are only 3 days of the semester left before finals and Graduation. As such I don't have a lot of time to layout my case I've got brewing. In any case, it is mostly intuition, but I wanted to vote in case I don't have a lot of time to do it later and something drastic happens.

VOTE DREW

 

It's VERY unlike BG to do the evidence work, here. Metagaming, but he seems to do really good research. This looks like jumping on board without doing that research, which is what struck me about him in the first day as well.

 

Okay... fair enough. I have been relying more on others in this game than previously because I'm at the very end of my last semester of school. It has been busy and therefore I haven't had time to do my usual casing (which I think I've referenced once or twice). This has probably effected my play style a little bit and might have me jumping at ghosts. That is no excuse. Drew, your casing of me is indeed fair.

BG i didn't actually get out a calculator to put down the exact % lol i was going off the top of my head quickly. and i did state that this is based on my assumptions of what i think is likely and what isnt and that i could be wrong; but as no one said anythign about it, i figured it was worth pointing out my thoughts incase others feel the same way. right now i have no inside info BG, so conjector and whats happened on thread is all i have to go on.

 

 

now, aside from my % not beging exactly right to the decimal, is there anything you disagree with, or any thoughts on what i have stated (other than ofcourse pointing out what i've already said within the post that it's based on assumption)

 

 

You're right, I shouldn't have focused so much on the percentages... I don't know why they interest me so much in this particular game. I guess this is one of the few games that I feel like there is a way to prove scum besides just suspicions.

Anyway, other than the decimal thing, I don't disagree with your statements. They make sense actually. But I find it highly unlikely with only 1 NK that both mafia teams are part of the Scary Six. The chances seem very very slim to me, considering the (presumably) smaller size of Team B. I'll have to think it over more.

 

 

Okay I am back and ready to play for real this time. It was a stressful few days for me. And I just got back like an hour ago from a 7 hour drive.

 

Please stop using percentages or math of any kind. I'm not in school for a reason my eyes gloss over and I skip over the post. You need to dumb it down, especially as my brain is fried from this weekend. I promise I'll actually do a reread this time, last time I ended up getting a call and had to do Army classes on the net on my own time *grumbles*

 

... sorry... I can't help it. :( You can ignore them if you wish.

 

First, I won't dare quote it, but the numbers thing was SUCH a massive failed distraction. I still don't completely understand it, but BG made it look so official that I think he was hoping he could use it to trap someone on the shortlist. As I said regarding the Curt Logic, scum would be wise to point fingers at someone on the shortlist who is not on their scum team.

 

Buddying up to Red, which as scum is a really good idea, because Red is a convincing and vocal poster. She also is a proponent of the shortlist idea. I think BG is trying to clear himself by trying to fish out a scum from the shortlist and then use that lynch as evidence of his innocence.

Originally I had planned on making a casing using my statistics. I wasn't intending it as a distraction. I was going to follow it up with casings of folks on the short list as well as the other voters, well, except myself, because that is what Drew is for. . But of course, I met with quite a backlash which was totally unexpected for me. I figured I'd be best to drop it. As such I wasn't trying to buddy up to Red, but when I called him on his numbers being off to make scum lynches sound much more likely than reality, he asked me whether anything besides the numbers made sense or not. I agreed that he made good points but I still didn't agree that both teams were on the 2nd NK.

Yea well when I posted my vote for Drew, AJ haven't posted yet (we posted simultanously) and I thought I'd be putting him on L-3 only.

I'm uncomfortable with that L-1 before we hear from him, so I UNVOTE.

 

I'm willing to vote Drew and I think he's the best candidate for the lynch too, but we still got 24h left so there is no hurry.

 

I might look like a fool with all that vote/unvote but I don't care.

 

Agreed, we still have a whole day, why not hear from him first? UNVOTE

 

Unvoting me right after csarmi does. Csarmi's vote took away most of the threat of a speedhammer, but BG is afraid of being on 3 town lynches, so he unvotes too. Also buddying up to csarmi, who has been pretty vocal as well.

As for following csarmi's lead, I hadn't been on for a while and all of a sudden you were at L-1. Csarmi unvoted, as did I. I felt like you should be able to defend yourself as Berf had a chance to do.

All these L levels are confusing me. I looked back a bit and saw that Song made a mistake with the last time she called an L-level, so I'm going to give leelou the benefit of the doubt right now and Unvote. We'll see what happens in that direction another day, maybe.

 

This strikes me as supicious - I'm simply not sure why you're voting CS for (possibly) making a similar mistake with L-levels, BG?

 

I'll hold my vote back for now, got tabs on Drew (still waiting to see what he has to say about the little slip) and until then, I think I'll stick my vote on BG. The whole 'grrr' just doesn't sound like a good argument for a vote, especially considering that CS didn't actually do anything particularly suspicious. I've noticed that you're pretty fast to vote, too, BG - I'm pretty sure I saw a ninjavote from you earlier in the thread.

 

This is why I accepted his explanation of the L votes. Your predecessor came under fire for the same thing that I just tried to call out csarmi for on Day 2's vote. I don't mind people voting at the end and "ninja-voting," if the explanation makes sense. If the accused has time to respond, there isn't an issue, in my opinion. Berf has time to explain himself and was active during all the voting process. Unfortunately, for all of us, he did so poorly. I just saw what I thought was a logical error and used it as an opportunity to push csarmi a little. There are other reasons he has pinged me such as his flip-flop vote on day one that have made me little suspicious.

 

The reason for my vote was not "Grr..." Grrr.... was in response to me forgetting to glow my vote.

 

You know, I remember Wombat pushing for a Song vote pretty solidly until the Berf lynch came and went in the course of a day. Interesting that Wombat would be killed off that very night... seems like it might have been a little bit of revenge, hmm?

 

I agree with MrLiterate (welcome, btw) that BG had a ninjavote earlier, and here BG seems to try to say that ninjavoting is okay. But he still keeps his distance from my lynch, worried I'll flip town. He also distances himself from Berf's lynch and blames Berf, rather than just owning it and saying "my bad." Scum have a tough deal, trying to lynch town while not looking like they wanted to lynch town. So when someone tries to distance themselves from a lynch, it pings me big time.

Your right, we all have blood on our hands for voting Berf. But I'm still going to stand by that vote because I felt it was justified. I was not distancing myself at all, in fact, I'm owning up to my vote and saying I still feel justified with the info we had. My vote came in 3 minutes after Song/MrLiterates vote, but a good 45 minutes before leelou placed the hammer. I had already explained earlier that I would have been fine with a Berf vote even though my vote was elsewhere at the time. Well, the Berf vote came, and I followed up with what I had said I would do. I'm not exactly sure what we all mean by ninjavoting, but what I meant was was voting near the end of the lynch. I didn't drop in and vote with no reason, I didn't drop in and vote while not giving Berf a chance to defend himself.

Also notice here BG putting suspicion on MrLiterate due to Wombat's kill and his previous suspicion of Song. Throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks. As has been said many times, suspecting someone based on the NK is major WIFOM and usually backfires.

Once I took my vote off of you Drew, I decided to not waste the time but instead try and use my vote to exploit and draw others out into the open. Well, It didn't seem to work. What I find interesting was that as soon as I took my vote off of Drew I stirred up the hive. I mean, Drew, you may have already been dead when Krak issued his vote if I hadn't unvoted. What else have I done but investigate some other suspicions using my vote as prodding on csarmi?

I'm not going to attempt to do any casing on anyone else today (game day) because I have the feeling that it is going to be needed to defend myself. ... but I've sure got some things I want to look into for tomorrow.

[Blackhoof]

i will not be able to get on again until night so in the interest of a controlled lynch i will keep my vote on drew, as he has the most votes currently. if their was a truly compelling case against BG or he had lots of votes i would switch my vote accordingly, but their isn't, and he doesnt, so i wont.

[csarmi]

Hiya,

 

vote Drew as I said I would - for a controlled lynch

 

I'm not sure I can be back today (got a lot of work), but I'll try to login at least once more before deadline.

[Red2111]

BG - i'm a chick is okay though, the name Red isn't relaly gender specific

 

 

Curt hasn't been the only victim of this logic, either. So here's the logic: I vote for Leelou (who wasn't on the shortlist), therefore I must be protecting someone on the shortlist.

 

This makes no sense, because if I'm protecting one person on the shortlist, I'm really protecting them all (by trying to start a bandwagon for leelou). But this would be a bad play for a mafia member. Scum would focus on one person on the shortlist that was not on their scum team, because people on that list are more vulnerable than someone not on that list.

 

okay, let me ask you something. we have a list that we know has a really good chance of having scum in it (atleast we have a better chance logically hitting scum on that list than off it imo) so the underlined portion of your quote makes no sense.

 

why would the scum want to narrow the number of possible scum on the list? this also goes for NKing anyone on the list as far as i'm concerned too. they'd be stupid to, as it makes it much easier for us to narrow it downand lycnh them. so yes, it makes perfect sense for the scum to try and distract from the list by NKing & attempting to direct a lynch towards someoen who isn't on the list.

 

thsi is also a subtle way, imo, for you to attempt to discredit lynching people off the list with giving yourself an out as well.

 

 

I basically said that, except I used a hypothetical and the phrase "my team." It's either the most narrow-minded thing to vote me because I used that hypothetical, or it's scum picking out a tiny phrase and trying to start a wagon from there, I don't know which. But the fact that some people are still voting me for saying that, and the fact that some people have said I haven't explained myself, is how I know something fishy is happening. I didn't say anything incriminating, and I did explain it.

 

it's called a freudian slip. sometimes scum slip up and say things obvious like that. it's good enough to pressure you over and add a few votes to see how you react. people have caught scum on less than that

 

 

First, I won't dare quote it, but the numbers thing was SUCH a massive failed distraction. I still don't completely understand it, but BG made it look so official that I think he was hoping he could use it to trap someone on the shortlist. As I said regarding the Curt Logic, scum would be wise to point fingers at someone on the shortlist who is not on their scum team.

 

Buddying up to Red, which as scum is a really good idea, because Red is a convincing and vocal poster. She also is a proponent of the shortlist idea. I think BG is trying to clear himself by trying to fish out a scum from the shortlist and then use that lynch as evidence of his innocence.

 

i agree witht he numbers thing, i dissagree with the it being wise to FOS someone on the Shortlist who isn't on their team, and i didn't really see him buddying up to me either.

 

i will agree with the "bubbying up is a tactic" though; and it is possible that some people on the list who advocate lynching from the list might be scum hoping to lynch someone from the other team.

 

 

Unvoting me right after csarmi does. Csarmi's vote took away most of the threat of a speedhammer, but BG is afraid of being on 3 town lynches, so he unvotes too. Also buddying up to csarmi, who has been pretty vocal as well.

 

i think this is a reach tbh.

 

however, those two unvoting and voting the same way is soemthign to keep in theback of our minds as scum woudl have to be on the same lynch to secure a NK (unles they're able to achieve a permanite NK of course)

 

so i wouldn't accuse them of buddying up, but more of possible team work to secure the NK.

 

 

I agree with MrLiterate (welcome, btw) that BG had a ninjavote earlier, and here BG seems to try to say that ninjavoting is okay. But he still keeps his distance from my lynch, worried I'll flip town. He also distances himself from Berf's lynch and blames Berf, rather than just owning it and saying "my bad." Scum have a tough deal, trying to lynch town while not looking like they wanted to lynch town. So when someone tries to distance themselves from a lynch, it pings me big time.

 

i think you misundertand what a Ninjavote is. imo a Ninjavote is more like leelous hammer, than BG's vote on you.

 

i do agree with the latter point of your statement though

 

 

Hiya,

 

vote Drew as I said I would - for a controlled lynch

 

I'm not sure I can be back today (got a lot of work), but I'll try to login at least once more before deadline.

 

this vote pings me greatly. nothing to say in response to Drew, just a "i said i would vote him, so heres my vote"

 

and also puts Drew back at L-1.