[Advanced Mafia] Black Ajah - GAME OVER!

[Blackhoof]

wombat is pinging me because of his arbitrary casing.

 

so, for lack of a better suspect, Vote Wombat

 

i, uh, cant get it red or to bold, so i will post later with my vote bolded and red, if it doesnt count :P

[hotpocket2006]

He called me out but then voted Talm for like, no reason. That in itself isn't reason for anything as Day 1 is full of those (vis a vis me voting Aust), but he said he voted Talm "for those reasons" and I see any good reasons. Also he backed up your "mafia vote first" play which made me think of scum trying to look innocent and pinning the blame on someone who hadn't voted yet.

 

I just found the post where Drew voted for Talm and it was to draw him out and vote. He said with Aust's discussion it was making people scared to vote and so he was voting for a non voter.

[hotpocket2006]

I think Aust's comment was the thing that has made this game start slowly - he wondered if mafia would jump to start voting because they had to get on board a lynch. I think just saying that, though it was obvious, has kept all the mafia from voting. They don't want to fall into that category. I don't blame Aust for this, because it kind of set up a neat trap. Maybe there's some scum hiding in that list of people who haven't voted? I don't know, but I'm going to vote Talmanes for now, for those reasons.

 

There's his quote.

 

Ok well since we still have no deadline I see no reason to bandwagon. Wombat is pinging me, but he always does, so I won' vote him just for that.

Right now Krak voting for absolutely no reason on a bandwagon bothers me the most, so I'll vote him tonight when I'm home and can use the code. Lol I don't remember how to use it on my phone.

 

 

Vote Krak like I said I would.

I'm kind of iffy on Phelix. I've never played with him before, and the whole '3' thing is a suspicious, but his explanation makes some sense too. I think I'll be watching him, but don't feel I have enough on him to vote yet.

At this point Krak is who I'm sticking with.

 

And here is Talm's quote. Drew didn't vote you, yet Talm did, but drew is the more suspicious one? That doesn't make sense to me I guess.

[Krakalakachkn]

or he is mafia trying to look innocent!

[Talmanes]

That's just his style

 

Ok I'm seriously tired of hearing this, throwing out suspicions with no or minimal reasoning isn't helpful, and looks scummy to me.

Aust is being straight up weird.

Song did the OMG AWESOME WE GOT SCUM thing.

Player is hinky.

 

This would be under the minimal category.

So says the guy with a predilection for the letter 'W' and declarative posts of less than 20 words.

 

 

 

Anyhow Talmanes, Krak had voted for me in a little bit of a day one joke vote I think. He unvoted me as talk progressed - I thought it was pretty harmless.

 

 

So Krak, why are you finding Drew the scummier of the two of them, if they both made comments about your vote on me?

 

Krak voted you, giving you a second vote, when you and Wombat were becoming the most popular people to vote. It could have easily started a bandwagon, and WAS the second vote on you, which would be fine, but he had no good/real reasoning. You may not consider a second pointless vote a bandwagon, but that is how it begins. That is why I voted for Krak. When I had a better reason to vote someone else, I did. Day one reasoning isn't usually the best. I went with what I had.

 

He called me out but then voted Talm for like, no reason. That in itself isn't reason for anything as Day 1 is full of those (vis a vis me voting Aust), but he said he voted Talm "for those reasons" and I see any good reasons. Also he backed up your "mafia vote first" play which made me think of scum trying to look innocent and pinning the blame on someone who hadn't voted yet.

 

I agree that was odd, which is why I just ignored it. His vote for me was pointless and didn't even deserve a response from me in my book.

or he is mafia trying to look innocent!

 

Is this referring to me or Drew?

[hotpocket2006]

or he is mafia trying to look innocent!

 

Wifom at it's best

[csarmi]

Sorry about the lack of activity, I'm sick.

Will be posting more when I'm recovered.

[Blackhoof]

Vote Wombat

 

THATS better!

 

@Song, i've always been amused by WIFOM. the endless negatives and reverse-negatives and negative-reverse-negatives is amusing to say the least.

 

an even BETTER wifom would be this; or he is mafia trying to look innocent! or he is actually innocent but wants us to THINK he is scum for some reason! or he is trying to look like an innocent trying to look like scum when he is ACTUALLY scum! OR he is an innocent, TRYING to look like a scum trying to look like an innocent trying to look like a scum trying to look like an innocent!

 

MAN, thats confusing.

[Talmanes]

Are we going to get a reason out of you for that vote?

[dapianoplay3r]

Ok im back. Sorry that I havent been around Ive been shooting all week and then had RHPS rehearsals all weekend. It's been intense.

I also dont think Blackhoof is of the mafia team that got the lynch last night. I cant really say why only that it just doesnt feel like he is. He could easily be of the other team so I dont really know

[Blackhoof]

Are we going to get a reason out of you for that vote?

 

Well, as i said before, wombat was FOS'ing people for silly, arbitrary reasons. It is against the towns interests to lynch without proper information (which we should have by Day 2) so i am suspicious of anyone who would jump to odd conclusions like that.

[Red2111]

Red, why do you think it was an SK rather than 2 scum groups? My impression from the OP was that the a forsaken might be leading the scum team, not separate from them.

 

for two reasons. the death post says the killing was done in the rebel AS camp and the OP states specifically that there is a Forsaken there doing the killing and hints at nothing about a group. if you look at the cannon info surrounding the Reble AS camp; we know that there was only 2 BA agents in the Rebel Camp (who didn't know eacother and only one who knew that there was a Forsaken in the camp), not working together or even with the Forsaken Aran'Gar who was potraying herself as Hamila. also, Arnie was the only one doing the killing and she was there under orders from Mordin.

 

this is why i suspect the kiling was done by a SK, rather than a 2nd scum group.

 

 

Top Suspects:

 

Aust

Song

Player

 

i feel so left out. i'm always on your FOS lists

[WWWwombat]

Red, why do you think it was an SK rather than 2 scum groups? My impression from the OP was that the a forsaken might be leading the scum team, not separate from them.

 

for two reasons. the death post says the killing was done in the rebel AS camp and the OP states specifically that there is a Forsaken there doing the killing and hints at nothing about a group. if you look at the cannon info surrounding the Reble AS camp; we know that there was only 2 BA agents in the Rebel Camp (who didn't know eacother and only one who knew that there was a Forsaken in the camp), not working together or even with the Forsaken Aran'Gar who was potraying herself as Hamila. also, Arnie was the only one doing the killing and she was there under orders from Mordin.

 

this is why i suspect the kiling was done by a SK, rather than a 2nd scum group.

 

 

Top Suspects:

 

Aust

Song

Player

 

i feel so left out. i'm always on your FOS lists

 

You were at first :-*

[WWWwombat]

 

Ok I'm seriously tired of hearing this, throwing out suspicions with no or minimal reasoning isn't helpful, and looks scummy to me.

 

Krak voted you, giving you a second vote, when you and Wombat were becoming the most popular people to vote. It could have easily started a bandwagon, and WAS the second vote on you, which would be fine, but he had no good/real reasoning. You may not consider a second pointless vote a bandwagon, but that is how it begins. That is why I voted for Krak. When I had a better reason to vote someone else, I did. Day one reasoning isn't usually the best. I went with what I had.

 

Does anyone else see a contradiction here?

[Krakalakachkn]

lol

[WWWwombat]

Wow a Black Ajah down, never thought that would happen ^^ that's awesome.

 

This part of Song's post reeks. It is innocent-seeming bs.

[Aust]

Red go back and re-read the OP carefully. In the intro it talks about the possibility of a forsaken being in the midst, guiding actions of the BA. In the part about the rebel camp I think we have to be really careful about concluding that it states specifically that the forsaken is doing the killing because it does not. First it says murder is being done among them, then it says there is a forsaken in the camp. It does not state that the forsaken is doing the killing. It then goes on to say that there are black agents manipulating them.

[DrewRiley]

 

I agree that was odd, which is why I just ignored it. His vote for me was pointless and didn't even deserve a response from me in my book.

 

 

I gave my reason in the post (which songs quoted) and I'll admit it was flimsy. Day one votes, gotta love em. Tal didn't respond and I didn't really expect a response, except if someone were scum, in which case they might have had a little panic attack. Just testing the waters.

 

And Krak, my comment about you bandwagoning was kind of just a poke in the ribs with a smile. If I had seriously suspected you of anything it would have been accompanied by a vote.

 

Sorry I didn't get to this earlier.

[Red2111]

A massive force moves steadily northward across the earth, a rebel army of Aes Sedai and their soldiers, ready to wage battle on the White Tower. But murder is being done among them, a Forsaken hidden in their camp. Egwene al'Vere and her rebel Hall are pushed and prodded from the shadows, by the Black agents who wish to force them to their will.

 

Aust, i've read the OP and i've even provided it above. notice the wording of the sentence, the sturcture. it talks specifically about murder being done, then theres a comma which indicates more info specifically relating to or included with the first part of the sentence.

 

 

also, as i've said before. if we recall the cannon surrounding the Saladar little tower; there was a single Forsaken doing the killing; not a group of BA. also, if you look at the murder itself here in the game; it talks abotu it being done while Mav was asleep. in the books, the murders commited by Arnie in Saladar were done at night while the victims were asleep. in the books Arnie wa a solo agent (aka SK) in Saladar on orders from Mordin to cause chaos any way possible.

 

 

it seems to me that your trying really hard to squash and convo or speculation about the possability of a SK being in this game. FOS @ Aust.

[Red2111]

thats supposed to be "squahs any convo" not squahs and convo"

[Krakalakachkn]

Your unbelievably bad grammar and spelling are always a cause for enjoyment (to me at least).

 

Of course, the best part is that you wrote the exact same thing in an attempt to correct your earlier mistake.

[Red2111]

*pokes krak*

 

 

did not. i just jumbled the word squash a bit. but i got any in there instead of and maybe i shoulda used dissuade instead

[csarmi]

Red, are you suggesting that we have an SK who knows the people in the rebel camp and keeps killing them? Or just keeps killing the black ajah? Now from game's PoV, how would that make sense?

[mmeeshal]

Okay, my computer refused to charge last night so it died before I finished my reread. >.<

 

But it charged up this morning, still is charging, in fact, so I finished the reread and am here to post thoughts!

 

I actually think, of everyone, that Drew is most likely to be scum. It wasn't his vote on Talm that did it for me, though; it started with his post giving reasons for suspecting Blackhoof and Phelix (and the vote on Phelix), and I've only gotten more and more suspicious of him since then.

 

I hate going back and quoting posts but I'll do it if enough people need their memories refreshed; basically Drew had more compelling reasons to vote for Blackhoof but stated he was certain that Phelix was scum and managed to slip himself neatly onto the lynch train.

Then, when the hammer fell, he was loudly proclaiming how fast the lynch built up and he might have unvoted if he'd gotten online before the hammer fell, which doesn't make any sense if he was as positive of Phelix's guilt as he originally claimed to be. Also, it had a hint of "I didn't really want to lynch a townie, guys, I was actually kind of against it" which would be fine, except the coroner report hadn't been given yet.

 

Anyway, that was what mainly pinged me, so I'm going to vote Drew.

[Krakalakachkn]

I didn't catch that, but I will go back and check out your facts.