Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[killuliu]

Oh, oops, did I just post without someone accusing me?

 

Shame on me :P

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

I actually laughed out loud after reading this :D We should have a "like"-system similar to facebook, or some other way of giving points to comments..Then we could easily see what are the best comments of the month/week/day/topic/forum/etc.

 

But yep, I find mcs' claim a bit odd too, if I had more time and I wouldn't be about to fall asleep, I would look at what Ed said about his powers (he explained why he didn't tell us what his role was, but can't remember exactly what he said)..

[Talya]

It's a pretty good role to have, It would be interesting to find out who he has chosen in the game. Also in a game like this where there are many people roled and this large. The chance of getting the kill is pretty remote, so Nyn your post is definitely a bit off to me!

 

It's a good role to have if he has it, so maybe finding out more than trying to get him lynched, or is it because you want that role out the way, incase he does hit the right one?

[Nynaeve]

This supposed role could either protect an innocent from a lynch or block scum (it could protect scum and block town as well, of course... but I'm referring to actions that would actually benefit us).

 

Are you really willing to believe that up until now he hasn't managed to gain ANY information from his night actions? And if he suddenly will produce alleged information now then why didn't he mention it before? I understand the risks of revealing but if he had any sort of information, he should have come forth instead of suddenly revealing now when he's on the brink of getting lynched.

 

Also, notice that as soon as AJ's lynch was announced he went all 'Oh, this is OBVIOUSLY a ploy of scum to frame me.' Well, why didn't he use his night action to protect her at night and stop this 'so obvious frame'?. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it *shrugs*

 

 

 

Nyn

[mcs0083]

Exactly Talya. Nyn, unfortunately none of the people I've targeted have also been a target of the mafia. So yes, it might seem as if my claim is bogus because there have still been kills, but I have just not been lucky enough to choose the right person. So even if I protect a confirmed townie, and I mainly have been, the mafia could just side step that, because they unfortunately pretty much know who all the towns people are. And as far as me getting information goes, what is it that I'm supposed to say exactly? Yes I obviously choose and know who my target is, but that's pretty much all I do. I might get a PM from the mod if my ability worked, saying that I either successfully protected them, blocked their ability or both. But that does not give me any information as to what their alignment or role is.

 

I have a question for you. If you are truly a member of the towns people, why are you trying to discredit my claimed role which is pro town? Maybe your just being over-zealous. Or maybe it's because you find it a threat as an anti-town member. Either way, youre not helping the town by trying to shut down a role that can help the town.

[mcs0083]

I forgot to put this after saying that none of the people Ive targeted have been targeted by the mafia: none of the people Ive targeted have tried to use their roles, if they had one, when I targeted them. At least I haven't gotten a PM from Locke saying anything like that, and I should have if it had happened.

[mcs0083]

Jesez... and when I said Locke I meant Wombat. Getting confused with Mistborn mafia.

[Nynaeve]

I have a question for you. If you are truly a member of the towns people, why are you trying to discredit my claimed role which is pro town?

 

Because I believe you are pulling a role out of your ass to prevent your lynch. It's all very good that you claim to have this role but I don't see any evidence to support this claim. All I have to base my opinion on is your behavior ever since your rejoined the game and to me it stinks of scumminess.

 

 

Nyn

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

MCS (6): Drew, Nyn, Player, BG, Killuliu, Quibby

Player (2): Song, MCS

 

You have until Tuesday at 11 AM to lynch someone. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[mcs0083]

 

Also, notice that as soon as AJ's lynch was announced he went all 'Oh, this is OBVIOUSLY a ploy of scum to frame me.' Well, why didn't he use his night action to protect her at night and stop this 'so obvious frame'?. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it *shrugs*

 

 

Oh and there is this gem too. First off to prevent anyone else's confusion, I believe you meant AJ being NKed. But moving on. How was I supposed to know the mafia was going to target her? Unless this role gives me psychic abilities that you know about and I don't, there was no way for me to know that the mafia sent in AJ as their night kill. And as for you disputing my saying it was a frame job, I suppose the mafia could have conveniently been lucky enough to kill the last person who challenged me during that night phase, or it could have been like I told Drew. They could have been the NA that we were waiting on to start day. The mafia will do that sometimes: draw out the night phase to cause tension until they see something juicy and jump on it. And don't try to say that that last sentence could only be known if I was mafia. I've been in games where it has happened before.

 

And as for me pulling my role out of my ass, that would be more suited if I whipped it out willy nilly. Yes I waited until I was in danger, but it's not like I'm the finder that can be left alive by the mafia as to screw with them. I guess there is some way I could be used by the mafia to protect them or roll block town members, but I know for a fact I haven't been manipulated, because I haven't revealed until now. But mafia hate protective roles is what I was trying to get at. It increases the possible longevity of the town if they are used efficiently.

 

 

 

 

It's all very good that you claim to have this role but I don't see any evidence to support this claim. All I have to base my opinion on is your behavior ever since your rejoined the game and to me it stinks of scumminess.

 

 

Well you cant SEE actual evidence of other roles can you? Yes, the claimed finder can say he knows what someone is, but there is no knowing if he is telling the truth, if he is mafia or town. Either you trust him or you don't. And in this situation you may not believe me, but I hope others will. Oh, and your comments have all been suspicious too. Because they've ALL been about ME. I did initiate our back and forth, but can I really be blamed for being suspicious of you if I've been your only target what so ever sense I became active again, when I on the other hand have actually addressed other people and situations since then?

[Talya]

This supposed role could either protect an innocent from a lynch or block scum (it could protect scum and block town as well, of course... but I'm referring to actions that would actually benefit us).

 

 

It's good to question...however what you say here can be said for any town role. Because we have no idea who is who...a town roleblocker could block a town finder...or a mafia kill, a healer could heal a mafia and a town....the joys of being town. So what exactly do you mean by the statement above, because it sounds like you are trying to make it bad. It's a pretty good role to have. From what you are saying a healer is not good to the town, because they too could heal a Mafia, in fact they could do that when a serial killer tried killing that mafia. But they are still useful to have as town.

 

I'm not saying that MCs has this role, he could easily be lying through his teeth, but he has claimed, so needs discussion. Unfortunately there is no one else around!

 

 

 

[Talya]

MCS, do you know what happened that day that Song actually saw you at night (it must have been the first night) who did you use your power on? I'm asking because this should at least help (I know you didn't do it, but ask the Mod he should tell you as it was you (even though it was Ed) and it would be unfair not to let you have that info...you need to know what your character has done prior to you taking over.

[Quibby]

I don't see much that can be discussed about MCS' claim unless there's more information out there.

 

Unvote

 

For the sake of discussion, I'd also like to ask about people's thoughts about Drew, and the potential to be either Ingtar or Asmodean (the former as a Darkfriend who turned back in book 2, and the latter being... well... you know).

[mcs0083]

The names I got who visited Red last night are Aust, Ed, Player, and Kwom Masbag.

 

Hmm. Not who I targetted...

 

 

*grumbles about his item being stolen*

 

 

The names I got who visited Red last night are Aust, Ed, Player, and Kwom Masbag.

 

Hmm. Not who I targetted...

 

 

*grumbles about his item being stolen*

 

You're either a liar or you were md'd too. I know for sure my information is correct.

 

 

I can't lie.

 

MD'd?

 

 

I can't lie.

 

MD'd?

 

misdirected.

 

 

Well then, that's what must have happened.

 

 

Well then who did you target?

 

 

You're not privy to that info.

 

haha, I think it's the same person who stole from me.

 

 

Hang on a second.....

 

Ed2Whiney

 

Pardon my frankness, but you seem to be talking out of two sides of your arse here. On one hand, you are clamming up and refusing to divulge any information, speaking like an Aes Sedai, when we could truly use the info on who you targeted to help us narrow things down in this ginormous game. You are taking the stance that you wont reveal the information to protect the name of your target.

 

Then, you wax on and wax off about how you are trying to get replaced and really don't give two shytes about the game anymore, only biding your time until you are either replaced or modkilled. If this is how you feel, then why are you refusing to help the town gain vital information?

 

I think I understand your role/character etc, but it is important for us (the town) to know who you targeted originally as we try and piece together the events from last night. It is clear that you didn't target Red like Songs says, but if we are to believe Songs, then you were redirected in some way and it would pay for us to know who you were redirected off of.

 

Again, I understand your role but right now we need as much information as possible. I respect your desire to protect info from the mafia, but at this point, not sharing info is only hurting us.

 

So please, forget the demands or threats, I wont be voting for you, but since you plan on leaving the game anyway, at least tell us the name of who you tried to target last night.

 

 

 

Not the name of my target, but me. I'm not prone to revealing everything unless I'm ready to make a move somehow. And since I'm waiting to be replaced, I'd rather not have all the cards forced for that person already.

Oh, I give a shyte about not leaving a pos spot in the game for whoever takes over. But as to following the game..well, sorry. Information goes both ways, and from what I am reading as I skim, you have quite a lot.

 

Nice use of "us". Just got to say. lol

You may understand my role, and if so, I hope you're town. Though, I don't think you know my role (power).

 

Most of you already know. If the person who I targetted wants to speak up, let them. They stole from me. I will not leave a role to someone else where all they do is vote. It's like not even playing.

 

 

So, sorry, but I've given plenty.

Goodnight.

 

 

Alright, we got him talking, and I am now convinced that ED is not scum.

 

UNVOTE ED

 

Hear hear. (Or is it here here? I was never sure...)

 

UNVOTE: VOTE BLACKHOOF

 

 

 

I hope Aust can speak on Day 3, perhaps he will be able to tell us why he has been on but unable to post. Also, we need his piece in the puzzle as well as an explanation to his muzzle. With MIN (Piano 1.0) as one of Red's Visitors 5, and Ed likely some kind of healer per se, and Songs, Red, and Kwom all with low suspicion, who does that leave? Quibby and Aust.

 

 

 

Sorry about this length this massive quote post has caused, but I think it does clear some things up. First off, not many people saw Ed, whose role I now have, as scummy. Also, because of my role I can not lie, meaning that if I was lying about my role, I would be dead right now. As for your inquiry Talya, no, Wombat did not tell me ANYTHING along those lines. Not who Ed targeted, or even who took the item that he had.

[mcs0083]

 

For the sake of discussion, I'd also like to ask about people's thoughts about Drew, and the potential to be either Ingtar or Asmodean (the former as a Darkfriend who turned back in book 2, and the latter being... well... you know).

 

 

I don't know about Drew. He hasn't been posting lately either. All I can say is that if he is mafia, because of him being a newb they might be using him as a heat shield. My first game ever of mafia I was scum, so my veteran mafia mates had me spew nubile nonsense to take the heat off of them. If this is the case though, he isn't really doing his job wee currently, seeing as he's been quite scarce recently.

[Moon Sedai]

It's funny you mention that, Mcs. In my fist game of Mafia, I was scum. And all the scum were "A" people. It was kinda funny.

 

Anyway, Time is ticking down, and I must vote. Although I casted earlier for MCS, he has satisfied me for now.

I am honestly hitting the wall when it comes to picking scum today, so I'm going to

Vote Play3r.

 

He had a brief posting, didn't explain it, and hasn't been back since.

he's also on my list of "unsure/unknowns."

[mcs0083]

Deadline is a little over 12 hours from now. I don't think were going to get lynch.

[bgrishinko]

BG was unsure of what to do. What if MCS was telling the truth? But even worse, what if he wasn't? Is it possible that every single person who targeted Aemon/Red was town?

 

BG supposed he'd have to place MCS in his Mynd folder. That is, a folder of people BG didn't trust at all but didn't think a lynch would be advisable at the moment. Grr...

 

He had run out of good evidence to warrant a different lynch in his mind. What would be worse? A controlled lynch on a suspicious person with townlike powers, or a random lynch?

 

BG did the only thing he could think of unless something drastic happened... voted for someone that pinged his scumdar, but he had no case for since he didn't have the time to research it.

 

Unvote: Vote Song

[mcs0083]

Thank you for seeing reason BG. But think about this as well. IF I was lying about being unable yo lie I'd still be lying, and dead.

[mcs0083]

Being unable to* lie

[bgrishinko]

Thank you for seeing reason BG. But think about this as well. IF I was lying about being unable yo lie I'd still be lying, and dead.

 

Huh?

[killuliu]

Thank you for seeing reason BG. But think about this as well. IF I was lying about being unable yo lie I'd still be lying, and dead.

 

Well that doesn't make any sense: If you weren't forbidden to lie, who would punish you for lieing? I already asked that on the day three or something like that. So the claims of not being able to lie are worth nothing to us really, because they tell nothing. They make you appear as an Aes Sedai, but we can never be sure :)

 

And why are people voting for Song? Without any reason and because he already got few votes and you want controlled lynch? Well I'm the first to admit that controlled lynch is better than random kill by the Pattern, but IMO the Song's last post wasn't that odd. I would like to hear more of Song, but we haven't seen her since Womb told she has been naughty :)

[Nynaeve]

I'm not going to be online till the deadline. Got a school day and then a long drive home. Just sneaked a peek before I go. I'm sorry, but I still don't buy it lol Again, mcs reveals something after having to quote ed. He didn't mention allegedly not being able to lie till Talya asked for quotes of what ed said.

 

I'm going to leave my vote where it is. But if things change throughout the day it doesn't look like I'll be able to help much due to spending most of the day out :/

 

I'll be back in 12 hours or so

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

I'm willing to vote for the sake of majority, but I have no idea who should that be.

Surely we wouldn't want a random lynch?

[Talya]

It doesn't matter that he didn't mention if he could lie or not. MCS, it might be worth asking Wombat who you chose night 1. I think we can guess. I also think we can guess what he is...at least which group he belongs to. Actually someone who has taken the oath on the rod so to speak...

 

As for who would punish him...the Mod obviously

 

I'm actually happy going for a Song or Player vote. Song has been pinging me but I can' say why!

 

so that seems a good place to start

 

VOTE SONG

 

 

[csarmi]

I VOTE Player cause he has more votes.

Hoping for a controlled lynch...