Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[aemonkristen]

And thus ends my nameless life. Good game all. Go get 'em, town!

[hotpocket2006]

I find it highly weird that Aemon was killed. His results were causing chaos. Also he had some suspicion on him. weird.

 

I still think we should go for Kwom. I'm also not sure about this mason stuff. I think we should test it. It could be a cult of some kind. It just seemed weird that they were like oh and by the way this person is too but we forgot to tell you guys.

[Moon Sedai]

Drat! I thought for sure he was Logain.

 

Okay, now, Town, we need to get us some Scum to kill.

[killuliu]

Well now we know for sure he was a naive :S But I'm (still) suspicious of the mason team too, so maybe we should consider them.

[Talya]

Really?!

 

Mason Team - are Town aligned...not cult, mafia or anything

 

for those wishing to go down this road are looking highly suspicious right now.

[killuliu]

Are you sure they can't be non-town? And why should we really trust them, when they claim mason? After all, it's one of the first rules of mafia: everybody is mafia unless otherwise proven (and not even always then, see naives). So at least I wouldn't blindly trust them.

[Myndrunner]

Really?!

 

Mason Team - are Town aligned...not cult, mafia or anything

 

for those wishing to go down this road are looking highly suspicious right now.

What do you have to worry about, Tal? If we lynch your inactive mason partner, it PROVES you and your other masonite as innocent. The mafia are the ones who don't want this to happen, that's why I figured the three of you are still alive.

 

Of course, you could be nervous that the three of you have been bullshanking us this whole time and that when we lynch one and she flips scum, it destroys your credibility.

 

Songs, I think we need to hear from Kwom first, but I don't mind putting a vote on him to motivate a response. We need to know if he used his power last night and on who. It's very important that we know who he targeted if anyone.

 

I'm not going to insult anyone's intelligence by saying "OH wow, we lost an innocent" and blah blah blah. I do want to point out that we should be asking why Aemon and why now? If he was a naive cop, he was not much of a threat to the mafia. I have two theories:

 

1) Drew is mafia and knew I was up to something with Aemon reading him again.

 

or

 

2) The mafia had no idea what I was up to, but saw Drew's reaction and figured if they killed Aemon, I would go after Drew.

I'm leaning towards #2, how about you all?

[Talya]

I think they went after Aemon to ruin your plans.

 

I'm not worried about losing an inactive member, more that If we lose another town we are handing things over to the mafia. We are a threat to the mafia because there are 3 of us who can all vote together, reduce that number and it makes the town vote less effective. Without revealing anything I know of no dark friends in the books that relate to our mason team, and yes I've looked. Because I know that we all got the same PM at the beginning but I don't know if anyone got something extra from the Mod, so I thought I would at least check. I can't remember a darkfriend for the book and I couldn't find one online. So I'm assuming that we are all innocent.

 

I would like to hear from Kwom to see this plan of yours Mynd. As for Drew I think I prefer your second answer for the moment, though it could all be a set up.

 

I do find the people that have put things forward for lynching a mason team, or trying make out we might not be what we say we are. So from my point of view, they really do seem quite scummy. Verb, Song and Killi stand out at the moment, and Mynd I know how you play, so you'll say that anyway, but doesn't mean I think you are totally innocent. The Mafia KNOW we are masons therefore town, so will try to do something to discredit us. when an innocent is lynched there will be a few...oh but I really thought blah, blah, blah!

[Myndrunner]

I'm not worried about losing an inactive member, more that If we lose another town we are handing things over to the mafia. We are a threat to the mafia because there are 3 of us who can all vote together, reduce that number and it makes the town vote less effective. Without revealing anything I know of no dark friends in the books that relate to our mason team, and yes I've looked. Because I know that we all got the same PM at the beginning but I don't know if anyone got something extra from the Mod, so I thought I would at least check. I can't remember a darkfriend for the book and I couldn't find one online. So I'm assuming that we are all innocent.

Curious, you didn't get your alignment and win condition when you took over the role? Sounds like you are a bit nervous about your inactive member flipping scum. Are you trying to imply that it is possible that one member of your team could be scum?

 

I do find the people that have put things forward for lynching a mason team, or trying make out we might not be what we say we are. So from my point of view, they really do seem quite scummy. Verb, Song and Killi stand out at the moment, and Mynd I know how you play, so you'll say that anyway, but doesn't mean I think you are totally innocent. The Mafia KNOW we are masons therefore town, so will try to do something to discredit us. when an innocent is lynched there will be a few...oh but I really thought blah, blah, blah!

If you are truly masons, the last thing the mafia want is to kill any one of you, at least until endgame. Killing one would prove the other two innocent, which helps us narrow down who isn't.

[Myndrunner]

Again, for our casing convenience.....

 

Players:

 

1. Song 1.<3, Perrin Aybara, Watcher - nightkilled Night 2

2. Austicles, Hurin, Cop - nightkilled Night 5

3. ed2scumy mcs

4. Amoondah, Morgase Trakand, Vanilla Townie - lynched Day 4

5. Alanna

6. AJ (alannalynn)

7. Aemon, Unnamed Tairen False Dragon, Naïve Cop - nightkilled Night 8

8. dapianoplay3r 1.0, Min Farshaw, Limited Flavor Cop - lynched Day 2

9. Amadine, Lanfear, Mafia Neighbor - lynched Day 7

10. Krak, al'Lan Mandragoran, Vengeful Sibling - modkilled Day 6

11. Kwom Masbag

12. TMD Krak 2.0, Elaida do Avriny a Roihan, 100% Effective Witch (town) - lynched Day 8

13. keyholder Ahmoondah

14. Verbal

15. Red, Moiraine Damodred, Jack of All Trades - killed by the Pattern Day 5

16. Adella

17. Mynd

18. paetric Song 2.0

19. Locke, Aviendha, Commuter - nightkilled Night 4

20. drewoftherushes

21. CurtDragon, Nynaeve al'Meara, Doctor - lynched Day 6

22. Virtuhall

23. Quibby

24. stryder68, Faile Bashere, Vanilla Townie - modkilled Day 2

25. tobi Naeann 2.0

26. bgrishinko

27. Naeann 1.0, Padan Fain/Mordeth, Item Conditional Serial Killer - nightkilled Night 1

28. trench, Thom Merrilin, Vanilla Townie - nightkilled Night 6

29. Vambram, Mazrim Taim, Survivor/Framer - nightkilled Night 5

30. gadywe, High Lord Turak, Vanilla Townie - modkilled Day 2

31. killuliu

32. Deadlyfreind Talya

33. Tigraine dapianoplay3r 2.0

34. ThorkinBarrimore, Loail son of Arent son of Halan, Vanilla Townie - nightkilled Night 7

35. David Hermes, Be'lal, Mafia Roleblocker - lynched Day 1

36. Blackhoof, High Lady Suroth Sabelle Meldarath, Mafia Goon - lynched Day 3

37. Nyn

 

Day 9 Deadline: Wednesday, 11:00 AM ET

 

Players Remaining:

3. ed2scumy mcs

5. Alanna

6. AJ (alannalynn)

11. Kwom Masbag

13. keyholder Ahmoondah

14. Verbal

16. Adella

17. Mynd

18. paetric Song 2.0

20. drewoftherushes

22. Virtuhall

23. Quibby

25. tobi Naeann 2.0

26. bgrishinko

31. killuliu

32. Deadlyfreind Talya

33. Tigraine dapianoplay3r 2.0

37. Nyn

[Myndrunner]

Assumptions and Suspicions:

 

First, let's assume that the Masons three are telling the truth, despite Talya being overtly defensive today.

BG, Adella, and Talya

 

Next, it seems to be widely accepted that Keyholder Ahmoondah is Rand al'thor:

Ahmoondah

 

We've written off Verbal as innocent because he was the first to suffer compulsion:

Verbal

 

Let's dismiss the inactives, not necessarily as innocent, but as not likely mafia. If they are mafia, I want them to be inactive:

MCS, Virtuall, Kwom Masbag, and Naeann. (Naeann usually is active when she has a juicy role or is on a team, and I reserve the right to put Kwom back on the list depending on who he targeted last night).

 

Now, I personally am going to place myself out of this list for the simple fact that I know I town aligned. Feel free to doubt me, (a good scum-hunter would) but if you look at the list of remaining players and remove both yourselves and me, it starts to look much more obvious who smells scummy!

 

Players Remaining:

5. Alanna

6. AJ (alannalynn)

18. paetric Song 2.0

20. drewoftherushes

23. Quibby

31. killuliu

33. Tigraine dapianoplay3r 2.0

37. Nyn

 

I have a pretty good idea who we should lynch from this list, but I want to hear from Kwom before I say anything. I am curious from everyone, who on this list would you recommend we lynch today?

[Myndrunner]

Sorry I haven't really been around the last few days, I've been super busy. I will vote Krak.

 

Add Alanna to the inactive but still possibly scum list.

[Talya]

I'm not worried about losing an inactive member, more that If we lose another town we are handing things over to the mafia. We are a threat to the mafia because there are 3 of us who can all vote together, reduce that number and it makes the town vote less effective. Without revealing anything I know of no dark friends in the books that relate to our mason team, and yes I've looked. Because I know that we all got the same PM at the beginning but I don't know if anyone got something extra from the Mod, so I thought I would at least check. I can't remember a darkfriend for the book and I couldn't find one online. So I'm assuming that we are all innocent.

Curious, you didn't get your alignment and win condition when you took over the role? Sounds like you are a bit nervous about your inactive member flipping scum. Are you trying to imply that it is possible that one member of your team could be scum?

 

I do find the people that have put things forward for lynching a mason team, or trying make out we might not be what we say we are. So from my point of view, they really do seem quite scummy. Verb, Song and Killi stand out at the moment, and Mynd I know how you play, so you'll say that anyway, but doesn't mean I think you are totally innocent. The Mafia KNOW we are masons therefore town, so will try to do something to discredit us. when an innocent is lynched there will be a few...oh but I really thought blah, blah, blah!

If you are truly masons, the last thing the mafia want is to kill any one of you, at least until endgame. Killing one would prove the other two innocent, which helps us narrow down who isn't.

 

I'm not over defensive, so get over that. I brought it up as people were saying things and I'm answering them!...Read what I said please... We all got the same PM (I got the copy that was sent to Deadly) and it named all three of us, told us we were masons (and what type - as in to do with WoT group) and then our win conditions (paraphased) about when all those that serve the shadowy types are dead and done for. That should probably help some!

What I cannot say and never have been able to is that if any of the others got another PM with something else. So when I got in the game I checked about the group we were given and could find NO darkfriends in that group. Which makes me believe that they aren't any. I know I'm not.

i can see what you are saying about the mafia was keeping us alive. I would say though, that we can't be too far away from them winning if we are not careful. So they would need to break us up. If they can get a lynch on one of us, it would mean that 1. We are proven and two we haven't lynched a mafia, but a townie. What would happen at night, easy, we would then be picked off one by one, because our alignment would already be known and you are then looking at a path for them winning. I'm not sure we have the time and towns left to just 'test the waters' at this stage. We need to get scum.

 

so if you see this as defensive, that is your choice, I'm more worried about the mafia getting a hold over this game!

[Talya]

And why have we accepted that Verb must be town if he was compulsed. That doesn't swing with me. I wouldn't be so accepting.

[Talya]

Sorry another post, I keep reading what you ahve said Mynd and thinking of other things..

 

AJ may well be innocent. I think Aust viewed her. Not 100% sure on it, but I would say more likely than Verb being innocent. So that should narrow your list down. for me Quibby for the moment has gone down in my suspect list. some of the things he said yesterday about his role.

 

for me that would leave:

 

1. Song

2. killi

3. Alanna, Drew, player, Nae and Nyn

 

In that order, lol

[killuliu]

I wouldn't be so accepting.

 

Says a person who asks everyone to accept he is town, because he claims to be a part of mason team :)

 

If my memory serves me right, someone once said that it is most likely we have 8 or 9 mafias in this game, and now three or four of them are dead (depending on if we count Fain or not), so that would leave us with 4 or 5 mafias. So just assuming that Mynd's assumptions on who are town are correct, that would mean we have very easy mafia hunt coming.

 

And all I can say in my defense is that I was one of the first ones to vote Amadine (though I have also voted against townies too, but who of us hasn't?)

[hotpocket2006]

Actually in all games I have been on a mason team, I have been questioned ruthlessly and a couple times ons of us have been lynched to prove one or the other innocent. Also wouldn't put it passed Wombat to also have one of the masons be a mafioso. Just because you claim to be on a mason team Talya, doesn't mean we should automatically believe you guys. That's foolish to the extreme. If that makes me suspicious in your eyes, then so be it. I pushed for Amadines lynch when Aemon first announced the A thing and no one listened to me. And I voted her on her lynch.

[Talya]

It wasn't just you being suspicious. I can understand that, but to try and push for a lynch to 'test' isn't so good. Besides it is more than just that, that puts you at the top of the list, I have been suspicious for a while and have said so.

 

killi, I'm a she...never heard of a Talya as a he

 

so you think I'm scum, put your money where you mouth is and vote me then killi, I won't mind at all. Or maybe you just aren't going to do that because you are waiting someone else to do it so that you won't look like you began a lynch on an innocent! And as for both of you saying you were on the amadine lynch doesn't really mean much, Amadine was on her fellow Blackhoof's lynch and maybe more than that there...

[Myndrunner]

Here are a couple quotes worthy of note....

 

I'm not buying Mynd's A thing - and i don't just say that because i am an A. If you think it will help go ahead and lynch me, but i think we should be looking more at those whose posting styles are contradictory, Quibs, Curt, Vam and BG are my top interests at the moment. BG is the one that makes me go hhmmmm the most. His hero move of removing trench's PR by stealing his item still is not sitting right with me.

Seeing as Amadine turned out to be Lanfear, Curt was Nynaeve, and Vambram was Taim, what do we make of her selecting Quibs and BG as targets?

 

I don't know why we are following Mynd's lead lol Remember our QT board?? (btw Mynd you need to check into our super secret board asap!) but I do happen to find Ama suspicious anyway. So Imma Amadine

Songs was the second to jump on the Amadine vote when Aust first suggested it. Not saying it confirms her innocent, but I find it unlikely that she would vote her teammate in this way this early.

 

I think its safe to assume that BG, Talya, and Adella are masons. It would be a bold scum move to bluff as masons so early in the game as there are likely vigilante powers and the like still out there to prove/disprove their claim. Anyone want to test this theory, go for it, but I'm banking on them being 2 legit 2 quit.

[Quibby]

Sorry for being quiet all weekend, folks. Needed the break, and hopefully my head's clear enough not to just jump down somebody's throat for no reason.

 

For now, I'm going to go ahead and do the same as most everybody else- ignore the Mason team for the moment.

 

Oddly enough, I'm also going to ignore Kwom. Based on the Day 1 action, I don't see how he's possibly scum-aligned. The scum knew who they were going to kill, and having Kwom target Aemon and Red on Night 1 seems like it would be a wasted effort to accomplish very little. (It makes more sense to me than having a scum team so clever that they were able to predict that Song1.0 and a metric crapton of people would target one of those two on Night 1, thus creating some epic-level chaos.)

 

After the latest nightkill, I'm also forced to ignore Mynd for the time being. I was mistaken in an assumption, and based on some of the things Mynd has done in this game, I have to assume that he's not scum for the time being.

 

Drew roleclaimed as a miller, so I'll ignore him for now, too.

 

For now, I'm more concerned about our two silent ones: Virtuhall and mcs. I'm going to ignore Virtuhall for now, as the Lord Our Mod is looking into what he'll do with him. However, mcs is already in for an inactive player, and he sprouts up on occasion to say a word or two, or to cast a vote, then he disappears. That type of play style bugs me this late in the game.

[Nynaeve]

Okay, so I decided it might be useful to case Aust from the beginning of the game. We could pretty much credit him for nabbing Amadina and I figured we might find more pearls of wisdom in his behavior. I did a search of all of his posts in the game and this is what I found (bear in mind that I didn't include EVERYTHING), but it's more of a summarized thing. I hope I got down everything right.

 

Note: I’ve ignored his posts from day 1 and only monitored him from day 2, after he had the opportunity to view someone. Figured anything from day one would be pure speculation and not that useful. He cast suspicion about people that are no longer in the game anyhow, so it's not that relevant.

 

Night 1 - Aust tries to view Aemon but is re-directed to Red.

 

Day 2 – Aust is silenced and doesn’t post at all.

 

Night 2 – Is it possible he couldn’t view anyone because he was silenced? He repeated twice that he was silenced a full cycle, aka day+night. Makes me wonder. Either way, no indication what he did this night (That I could see).

 

Day 3 – Shows up, vocalizes what he did at night 1 (tried to use his ability on Aemon but got re-directed to Red). No mention of what he did on Night 2. He responds to Drew, who indicates that he doesn’t quite buy Aust being silenced during the previous day. He’s unsure whether Aemon should be trusted fully and expresses concern about the bus driver.

 

Night 3 - No account on what he did this night.

 

Day 4 -

Vote Nae

We should all vote for Nae, right now because... Well just because. Sure there are other suspects but I insist that everyone ignore them and vote for Nae. *stares at Nae*

Now it can be dangerous to name innocents unless it's for a good reason. Being named as innocent can paint a target on someone or make them attractive options for recruitment by scum.

Have we heard much from our busdriver recently? I'd be curious to know what he's been doing with his talent lately.

 

It is claimed he was compulsed (he verifies it on the next day). But in his next post, Aust defends Adella from Mynd’s claim of her being scum (being devil’s advocate). Then he declares in a later post that if he wasn’t voting for Nae already, he might be voting for Amhoonda.

 

Night 4 – He analyzes the A theory: Confirms himself, Adella and AJ as innocents. Indicates again that he’s not sold about Aemon. Suggest that either Amadine or Alanna could be a good lynch choice (assuming Mynd’s A clue is true). As for who he viewed, it seems like he viewed Amadine and found her to be scum.

 

Day 5 – Votes Amadine right away. He questions Mynd’s hesitation to lynch Amadine (along with Verbal) on quite a few posts and asks him if he made up the A tip. He also agrees with Red that Kwom has been way too quiet and wants to know where he used the ability. Then Aust inevitably switches his vote to Vambram to help with majority and figures it would give town some information.

 

On the 5th night he's NKed.

 

 

 

So basically, it remains a mystery who he viewed on two nights (though perhaps his confirmation of Adella and AJ can account for that). What sort of grabs my attention though is that on both day 3 and day 4 he expresses his concern about the Bus Driver. It especially caught my attention when he did it while compelled to vote for Nae. So I'm wondering if maybe he viewed him one of the nights... but then later found it easier to push for an Amadine lynch because using the A tip would have been more convenient as a reason. He couldn't have gotten us to vote with him for Kwom without a reason... especially seeing as he was trying so hard not to let on what his role was. I think It's a possibility.

 

Anyways, I hope this helps (because god knows it took me ages lol). Maybe someone will see something I've missed.

 

*goes off to sip coughing syrup from the depths of ewwww land*

 

 

 

Nyn

[Myndrunner]

Oddly enough, I'm also going to ignore Kwom. Based on the Day 1 action, I don't see how he's possibly scum-aligned. The scum knew who they were going to kill, and having Kwom target Aemon and Red on Night 1 seems like it would be a wasted effort to accomplish very little. (It makes more sense to me than having a scum team so clever that they were able to predict that Song1.0 and a metric crapton of people would target one of those two on Night 1, thus creating some epic-level chaos.)

^^^^ THIS is verrrrrrry interesting!

 

Quibby, care to elaborate on who the mafia were going to kill and how that makes Kwom's targeting a wasted effort? You were also one of those who allegedly targeted Red, were you not?

[Quibby]

Scum chose to nightkill Naeann1.0. Why would they need to redirect anything on anybody anywhere? Especially on those two individuals? I could be reading this wrong, but it seems like it would be a boneheaded move. It relied on too many variables that were beyond the control of the scum team (i.e., the actions of several people, including at least one confirmed townie). Frankly, it seems like too much of a leap to me.

[Myndrunner]

Scum chose to nightkill Naeann1.0. Why would they need to redirect anything on anybody anywhere? Especially on those two individuals? I could be reading this wrong, but it seems like it would be a boneheaded move. It relied on too many variables that were beyond the control of the scum team (i.e., the actions of several people, including at least one confirmed townie). Frankly, it seems like too much of a leap to me.

Its just that Aemon and Red seemed to be two of the most likely innocents that night. If the mafia were targeting Nae, why would they target anyone else? Interesting that you remember who the mafia targeted that night so vividly!

[Quibby]

For somebody who insists on people doing their own casing, you seem incredibly belligerent towards anybody who does their own casing, Mynd.

 

It might seem weird, but I already cased Kwom, and based on what I've found (i.e., one known night action by Kwom and no other remarks about any night action weirdness), I don't think there's enough to go on.

 

By the way, there's something strange about forums: it allows you to go back and- get this, it's shocking- look up things that have been said previously! Isn't that amazing?!