Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[trench]

Ok I did up a quick list of our Lynches and threw together some highlights for each day. This is by no means comprehesive but it should help a bit I hope. If I have anything wrong please correct me.

 

 

Day one

Song (1): Tigraine

Amadine (1): virtuhall

TMD (1): Thorkin

Aemon (1): paetric

David Hermes (20): Locke, trench, Aust, Ahmoondah, bgrishinko, alannalynn, Red, Adella, Drew, Song, keyholder, Nyn, Alanna, player, Blackhoof, Amadine, Aemon, Vambram, paetric

Red (4): Verbal, David Hermes, Mynd, TMD

Mynd (1): Quibby

 

We lynched David Hermes who turned out to be Be'lal.

 

Bigest highlight of the day was Aemon claiming to be the Dragon Reborn and Red emphaticaly calls him a false dragon. We began a debate, Red claimed she knew who Rand was and it wa not Aemon. Aemon said that he was told if he claimed to be the Dragon before day 4 he would get a power, he did and claims to be the finder now. Durring the "Great debate" that followed we supected David and lynched him accordingly. Also Song 1.0 accidently revealed she had a double vote early, it was promptly stolen from her, not sure where it is now

 

Day two

Blackhoof (1): Quibby

bg (1): Blackhoof

Quibby (1): AJ

Aemon (1): Verbal

Player (15): trench, Red, Aemon, Mynd, Krak, Vambram, Locke, Alanna, bg, Song, Curt, Keyholder, Ahmoondah, Drew, Kwom

 

We lynched Play3r 1.0 who turned out to be Min

 

That night Naeann 1.0 was killed, flipped as Fain who was an SK.This day was wild, Song 1.0 was a watcher who spoted 4 people visiting Red. These people were Ed2funny(now MCS), Play3r 1.0, Aust, and Kwom. Kwom was a bus driver. Kwom switched Aemon and Red. The 4 who visited Red actually targted Aemon. But it gets worse. Song 1.0 targeted Red but due to Mod mistake she was not switched to Aemon. Song 1.0 asked for the 4 people who visited red to out themelves and Quibby who targeted Red but was actually switched to Aemon out himself. Mass chaos and cofuion followed. we lynched Play3r 1.0 and he flipped Min/town

 

Day three

Blackhoof (16): bg, quibby, red, trench, keyholder, locke, verbal, nae, adella, curtdragon, drew, amadine, alanna, ahmoondah, kwom

Mynd (1): Aemon

Vambram (1): Mynd

 

We lynched Blackhoof today wo turned out to be Suroth/Mafia

 

That night Song 1.0 was killed, she flipped Perrin. This day was fairly strait forward. We decided to focus on Blackhoof who had pinged alot of us. after debating it we lynched him and he flipped scum. Some where in the middle of the day Vambram anounced that he was the dragon Reborn, Red called him a False Dragon. We debated lynching Vambram or Blackhoof, it was split for awhile but we eventually lynched Blackhoof.

 

Day four

Vambram (3): Ahmoondah, Naeann, bg

Naeann (1): Aust

Ahmoondah (18): Mynd, Aemon, Alanna, Red, killuliu, Song, Nyn, Amadine, AJ, drew, Quibby, keyholder, play3r, Thorkin, trench, Verbal, CurtDragon

CurtDragon (1): Krak

 

We lynched Ahmoondah who flipped Morgase/town

 

No one died last night. Mynd anounced that he had a chance to assk a question durring the night. We assume he asked for a name of a Maffia teammate. His answer was that it wa someone whose name started with an "A". we all debated this and eventually landed on Ahmoondah as being the likely target. we were wtong.claimed. Also this day Keyholder claimed to be the Dragon Reborn. Red pleaded the 5th and wouldn't comment.

 

Day 5.

 

Locke was killed Last night, he flipped as Aviendha. and thats about it o far.

[trench]

Oh I should also have mentioned that each day one peron has been Compulsed to vote for a peron and that some players are being silenced for a day. And one particular player was stuck with an evil Post restriction that made them talk only on rhymes, that changed when he was theived, and I would like to say that that peron did an exemplary job and is awaiting his Puliter Prize for Poetry any day now.

[aemonkristen]

All right, it's time to narrow down the voting pool.

 

Night 1- Trench, Innocent

Night 2- Mynd, Innocent

Night 3- Vambram, Innocent

Night 4- Alanna, Innocent

 

That should give us a pretty good idea of who we should be voting for and who we shouldn't.

 

I believe Red is innocent and if we take the revealed/semi-revealed masons at face value, we can also eliminate Aust and AJ, BG and Adella. Let's take Key out of the equation since Red has not called her down for being a false dragon. I also believe Kwom's bus driving claim and that it is a town power. After all of these eliminations, we are left with:

 

Amadine

Krak

TMD

Verbal

Song

Drew

Curt

Virtuhall

Quibby

Nae

Kill

Talya

Player

Thorkin

Nyn

 

That leaves 15 people on my immediate suspect list. One of the highest right now is Quibby because he never answered my question about why he would have sent an anonymous message to Red saying "He is not who he seems to be". I think he is a mafia agent trying to sow dissension. Has anyone else gotten messages in the night?

 

Of course, if Mynd isn't just inventing this "A" mafia thing (he did something similar in another game and it was completely made up, though he was town.) then Amadine is our clear lynch choice for the day. I am not convinced of he's telling the truth, but I'll go with the majority on this. My top picks are Amadine and Quibby.

[aemonkristen]

Almost forgot to mention...I got silenced after Key proclaimed. I don't know if that was an effect of her proclaiming or because I actually popped my head up and talked a little bit and reminded the scum I was still playing. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Aust]

Based on Aemon's results and what we've been able to narrow down with Mynd's "A list", Amadine is the choice for today.

 

Vote Amadine

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Vambram (2): drew, krak

Amadine (1): Aust

 

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 3 PM EDT

[hotpocket2006]

Well I know Red hasn't been around, she got randomly lynched in another game for not voting, so not sure where she is.

 

I don't know how Qwom can be eliminated. Bus Driving is not only a town power. I've actually seen it used a lot more as scum. It was fun when we discovered a PGO (paranoid gun owner- someone who kill anyone who targets the at night) and drove people into the PGO. Good times.

 

I don't know why we are following Mynd's lead lol Remember our QT board?? (btw Mynd you need to check into our super secret board asap!) but I do happen to find Ama suspicious anyway. So Imma Amadine

[Vambram]

Okay, let me make this post to address a few players here.

 

First, to Krak and to Mynd who analyzed my previous post. I answer you both truthfully when I say that this game here on this thread is the very FIRST time that I have EVER played a Mafia game. Without any shred of an iota of doubt, I am a complete and total Newbie to Mafia games. Therefore, when I ask questions such as the ones in my previous post, I do so because I am ignorant of the rules of the game and I am seeking answers to questions... especially questions with answers that might help the Town better protect fellow Townies. In my opinion, the mafia have been very successful with their Night Kills. I am hoping that there is are ways for Townies to band together.. or at least have some sort of protection from the hitmen of the scum Mafia. Therefore, since I am a complete newbie with the Mafia games, I ask that everyone else in this game please do not try to over analyze my posts, but to try to take them at face vaule.

I know that is probably asking alot from the very experienced players here. Hopefully, though, I am not asking for too much from you all.

 

Second, I want to comment on Aemon's post earlier. His post clearly shows that I am NOT scum, but that he has found me to be "innocent." Therefore, I ask for all the players here to please take that into consideration when voting for whom to Lynch.

 

 

Like everyone else, I reserve the right to change my mind as to whom to vote for on this Day's Lynching. As of right now, I am going to follow Song and Aust, along with the clues posted by Aemon and Mynd. Therefore, I VOTE: Amadine

 

 

 

[bgrishinko]

All right, it's time to narrow down the voting pool.

 

Night 1- Trench, Innocent

Night 2- Mynd, Innocent

Night 3- Vambram, Innocent

Night 4- Alanna, Innocent

 

That should give us a pretty good idea of who we should be voting for and who we shouldn't.

 

I believe Red is innocent and if we take the revealed/semi-revealed masons at face value, we can also eliminate Aust and AJ, BG and Adella. Let's take Key out of the equation since Red has not called her down for being a false dragon. I also believe Kwom's bus driving claim and that it is a town power. After all of these eliminations, we are left with:

 

 

Bgrishinko was a little confused as how the revealed masons somehow eliminated Aust and AJ. Neither BG nor Adella had said anything to imply they were Masons. In fact, BG felt okay saying that Aust and AJ were not Masons.

 

Also as BG's vote earlier apperantly had not been counted... QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY, QUIBBY!

[alannalynn]

No, I am not a mason, and I don't know how Aust knows that I am town. As for voting Amadine... "eh" I don't trust Mynd (Ever), and I'm wary of the A-name-being-mafia bit, so I'd like to actually hear from Ama before placing any vote. Quibby is pretty high on my "scum" list though, so I'd be happy with a Quibbilicous lynch too.

[alannalynn]

Okay, let me make this post to address a few players here.

 

First, to Krak and to Mynd who analyzed my previous post. I answer you both truthfully when I say that this game here on this thread is the very FIRST time that I have EVER played a Mafia game. Without any shred of an iota of doubt, I am a complete and total Newbie to Mafia games. Therefore, when I ask questions such as the ones in my previous post, I do so because I am ignorant of the rules of the game and I am seeking answers to questions... especially questions with answers that might help the Town better protect fellow Townies. In my opinion, the mafia have been very successful with their Night Kills. I am hoping that there is are ways for Townies to band together.. or at least have some sort of protection from the hitmen of the scum Mafia. Therefore, since I am a complete newbie with the Mafia games, I ask that everyone else in this game please do not try to over analyze my posts, but to try to take them at face vaule.

I know that is probably asking alot from the very experienced players here. Hopefully, though, I am not asking for too much from you all.

 

Second, I want to comment on Aemon's post earlier. His post clearly shows that I am NOT scum, but that he has found me to be "innocent." Therefore, I ask for all the players here to please take that into consideration when voting for whom to Lynch.

 

 

Like everyone else, I reserve the right to change my mind as to whom to vote for on this Day's Lynching. As of right now, I am going to follow Song and Aust, along with the clues posted by Aemon and Mynd. Therefore, I VOTE: Amadine

The underlined bit bothered me as much as your extremely TOWN post earlier. (sarcasm intended with the capitals... )

 

A) "His post clearly shows..." Nothing is ever clear in mafia. While we can assume (assUme) all we want, he could be scum for all we know and your "clearly" bit is as faulty as Mynd's logic.

B) "take that into consideration" LOL!! People will take whatever they will into consideration, I just found this funny.

C) My English teachers always told me that if I had a B, I had to have a C... I don't know why, but they did.

 

Anyways, the underlined bit irks me. We're basing our votes off of a bunch of unsure stuff that we know nothing about. The "If everything said is true, we have to vote this way" logic, in my opinion, is rather faulty.

[Red2111]

i'm good with a lynch on Vam. Aemon is innocent, thats why i believe he's telling the truth and Logain. i know he's innocent becuase i had a 1 time veiwing ability that i used on him Night 2. i say this now, becuase while i know he's innocent, i'm unsure if we can trust his finders results tbh.

 

All right, it's time to narrow down the voting pool.

 

Night 1- Trench, Innocent

Night 2- Mynd, Innocent

Night 3- Vambram, Innocent

Night 4- Alanna, Innocent

 

 

Aemon, is there anyway you could be a naive finder? i ask this becuase i think you're Logain, and there for Vam must be Taim and i cannot see Taim as being Town aligned. also, my gut still says Mynd is up to something (could be i just plain dont trust him lmao) this is why i feel that right now i'm unsure if you might be a naive finder and why i'm not opposed to lynching Vam to kill two birds with one stone.

 

i'm curious as to why you clear Aust & AJ though ... i've seen no reason on thread to implicate their innocence; other than Aust having been silenced of which we've seen no one else get silenced either ... )

 

 

Vam - no offense on your last post, but i've seen newbies who are also on scum teams pull a "i'm new, please forgive me" post similar to yours. for me, it does nothing but send up a flag when a new person trys to use the newbness as shielding manuver to push suspicion off them. fact is, this is Mafia; where your guilty until proven innocent by a corners report and every word you say can and will be held agaisnt you as well as looked into to the Nth degree.

 

also, Vam; Aemon says he was affected directly after Key proclaimed; did you have any effect as well?

[Myndrunner]

Red, if you believe Aemon to be innocent and had the one time viewing ability to say such, then you should also believe him when he says that he viewed Vambram as innocent. I think in Vam's case its much simpler than we are making it out to be. It's his first mafia game, he's playing the part and pinging on people.

 

I also would like to hear from Amadine before we proceed with the lynch. Again, up until now, we have taken everything that has been said as the truth under the logic that the mafia would be foolish to post anything that could be proven false so easily. For example, BG and Adella are likely masons, but we could always prove one as innocent by lynching the other. As we progress in the game, we may need to test some of these claims.

 

I am always bothered by a speedy lynch without taking the time to digest other possibilities. Aust, Aemon, and Adella can be ruled out for now....

 

..... are their other lynch candidates besides Amadine or Vambram to consider?

[Verbal32]

In my opinon, not really. Didn't you reveal as DR as well? ;-P

[Aust]

Mynd I thought you'd be excited that your letter A tip would be put to use. It really has been narrowed down to Amadine - why the hesitancy now?

[Myndrunner]

Why would anyone be excited about a rush lynch? Besides, if Amadine flips innocent, we would need to start checking other A's, including those who had been written off as likely innocent. Wouldn't you agree that we should make sure we are doing the right thing here?

[Verbal32]

Mynd, this looks like a midgame style shift on your part. Early on you were out guns blazing for lynches, and now you're all reserved and patient.

 

What gives?

[Aust]

Mynd, this looks like a midgame style shift on your part. Early on you were out guns blazing for lynches, and now you're all reserved and patient.

 

What gives?

 

This I agree with. There was litte of your desire for caution evident yesterday. Unless you completely made up the letter A tip and you're worried now, I'm not understanding the sudden shift.

[Red2111]

i 2nd Verb's point.

 

 

also, i'm not out & out doubting Aemon's veiwings; other wise i woudl be throwing my vote on either Vam or you instead of just questioning. he has only gotten innocent readings, on two people which i feel are acting very scummy. Vam, by logical ckonclusion has to be Taim if he is indeed truely attmepting to claim Dragon, because given that i know Aemon has an innocent alignement and is not Rand; then logically he must be Logain.

 

 

i question if he is a niave finder, because of the instances surrounding eamon havign to recieve this ability (given that he's both a False Dragon and was forced to claim so to receieve the power; & that my gut is saying you & Vam are likely scum)

 

the fact that i'm hesitant on pulling any triggers on either of you say how much i trust Aemon at face value. Nae, i still find you scummy as well; you guys are in my top 5.

 

 

i'll vote Ama to get a majority, but tbh i don't have a read on her right now. i don't like this witch hunt in the letter A for the possability one might be scum; but if this is the way people want to go then i'm game for it. though admittedly i'd perfer a lynch on Vam since i believe him to be Taim.

[Myndrunner]

This is exactly the reaction I would expect from the mafia. At no point did I say we should not lynch Amadine, but I have always been hesitant at lynches that build too fast. We have plenty of time and still a roster full of possibilities, why are we now so bent on such a quick lynch without hearing from Amadine first?

 

Scum like to take the facts presented in the thread and twist them to lead the lynch in their own way. For example, BG and Adella could have figured we would completely believe their mason claim because it would be too easy to prove otherwise and therefore went for it. I'm not saying we should now question them, but I feel like this lynch needs discussion before we complete it. Verbal of all people should know what I am doing here. Every lynch needs information to go back on based on the results.

 

Also, why are we not considering AlannaLynn? She hasn't contributed as much as many of the other A players and if Red doubts Aemon's findings, then perhaps we could use her to test? Personally, I think we have better options, but its a possibility that I am surprised Red hasn't at least considered if she doubt's Aemon's claim. I also strongly doubt that Aemon is a naive finder because such a role in this game would make his false dragon power useless and unbalanced.

 

Why do I know this? Because as many of you pointed out, I also made the same claim and my gift was powerful but not a finder power. It was simple and straightforward and I doubt that Womby would give another False Dragon a useless power.

 

I believe Aemon's findings to be as true as his innocence. I believe that Aemon, Vambram, myself, and Key are all looking to get rid of any harm that might come to the town in order to win.

 

...and finally, my last post on Day 4 was a successful thief play. The item I stole was one of the seals which holds a special one time power, perhaps similar to that of Red's one time finder ability. Don't bother trying to thief me because I have already gifted it to the player I feel I can trust the most right now. I have a feeling that the scum seek to destroy these seals, if not to win the game, to at least gain some significant power.

 

Consider who I stole from. Consider why I was then silenced, likely by the one person who was also trying to steal from the same person when he announced he had an item. I could not post again until the conclusion of Day 4.

 

...and then consider other lynch possibilities. By then, you should know exactly what I mean!

[Red2111]

no Mynd, my finder ability came from my original role/power given to my character. also AlannaLynn (aka AJ or Lannie) is different than Alanna. i was assuming in Aemons post that he had veiwed Alanna, not AJ; can you clarify this Aemon.

 

Mynd i think i'm following you, but i'm not sure. you stole a seal from someone Day 4, and that silenced you for the remaineder of the day; correct?

 

this is the part i'm not following

 

"Consider who I stole from. Consider why I was then silenced, likely by the one person who was also trying to steal from the same person when he announced he had an item. I could not post again until the conclusion of Day 4. "

 

 

i think your leaving out info here, because this is the first i've seen you mention being silenced & having stolen soemthing on Day 4.

[Aust]

It might be worth noting that when I was silenced, it was for a full day and night cycle.

[Myndrunner]

*le sigh*

 

There is an art to catching scum. Just using logic isn't enough because they can then turn that very logic against you. Sometimes you have to be very creative, but in a game of this size, allow me to play the narrator on Pushing Daisies.

 

 

The facts are these:

 

When Vambram announced in the thread that he received an item for claiming to be The Dragon Reborn, Myndrunner quickly submitted his thief play to Womby and began to post questions to Vambram hoping he would answer. Watching BG among others also post immediately behind him lead Mynd to believe that others had also submitted the same thief claim and the hunt was on. All can see the cascade of short, quick posts one behind the other in this very thread. Mynd posted another question to Vambram, enticing him to respond, and before he could post again, he was notified by the Mod that he was now silenced and could not post again until the conclusion of Day 4.

 

As it happens, Mynd's last question was responded immediately by Vambram, causing the thief play to go through. Proof that the thief play did not cause the silencing was in the fact that the Mod Womby was too lazy to check to see if such a thief play was even successful. The Mod even asked people to submit their proof of thief plays at the conclusion of Day 4, which was when Mynd finally got the info of the item he had stolen.

 

At the turn of Day 4 to Night 4, Mynd was informed at how valuable the item was that he discovered. It was in fact a seal to the Dark One's chamber and could be broken in a way that Myndrunner dared not tell. Mynd dared not risk revealing this info while the seal remained in his hands so he decided he should gift it to the one player he felt he could trust the most at this point. It wasn't until the item was well in the hands of this other player that Mynd finally revealed what had happened.

 

Believing one of the competitors for Vambram's item to be the very one who silenced Myndrunner, he decided to devise a logic trap to trick the culprit into confessing. A straight reveal would be an option, but it would not lure the culprit out in the open. Unfortunately, Red's sledgehammer logic forced the full reveal from Mynd so that further confusion would not contaminate the minds of the rest of the town. So, instead of setting a trap of logic, Mynd decided to play mafia in a way he hadn't played in a long time....

 

...straightforward.

 

So, BG, if you are truly town and a mason and so forth, why do you have the power to silence players?

[Myndrunner]

For the lazy gumshoes...

 

....the link to the successful thief play.

[CurtisScafe]

I'm going to go ahead and vote Mynd based on my reasoning in my last post. Yes you may get things wrong but leading the witch hunt twice and being wrong is a strong indicator. The others that are being questioned beside Quibby do not give me a bad vibe at all so I wont go with them. Also since I think he is scummy I wont believe the "starts with A" vote either

vote Mynd