Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Red2111]

Curt Aemon is a he

[hotpocket2006]

Nae didn't target you either Red.

[Naeann]

Let's refer to who I was before by the character name so as to avoid confusion since I am no longer that character or alignment. K Thanks.

[Nynaeve]

Hey song, is there a chance of you naming the four people? (If you already have, I might have missed it). You mentioned who one of them was, if I recall correctly, but didn't about the rest.

 

I got a headache :/ My neurologist gave me these stupid nature pills that look (and taste) like poo... and they're not helping at all. Where's some advil when you need it >.<

 

 

 

Nyn

[hotpocket2006]

I have only named one so far. I wasn't sure how I wanted to proceed with the other names. I will definitely be revealing them before nightfall because I will probably be targetted tonight, but I'm not sure when the deadline is. I kind of just want to name them and be done with it.

[DrewRiley]

I have only named one so far. I wasn't sure how I wanted to proceed with the other names. I will definitely be revealing them before nightfall because I will probably be targetted tonight, but I'm not sure when the deadline is. I kind of just want to name them and be done with it.

 

I say name them, it at least points us in a direction for a possible lynch. The more time we have to decide who tried to NK, who tried to save, etc, the better, IMO.

[bgrishinko]

Upon going through the reread (oy!) I think that Bg is still pretty scummy with his posts.

First Day - So much going on. I agree that despite all the talky talky that while people are building defenses and alliances, as well as point fingers, it is still somewhat random until we see the consequences of the night. I maintain my early vote despite the rampant Unvoting of day one.

 

Maintaining a vote on someone 'just because' and calling out people for unvoting when the mod had announced that a lot of people hadn't checked in yet seems kinda fishy to me.

 

Ah, going back to my first ever Mafia post. Those were the good ol' days before I realized every single word I ever muttered would be scrutinized. Oh, to be this naive again.

 

 

Goes after Aemon here. Granted, Aemon was taking a lot of heat at the time, but voting for someone claiming to be the Dragon Reborn – especially after Aemon revealed more information which caused others to back off – seems very untown.

 

You said it yourself, Aemon was taking a lot of heat. I'll be the first to admit I was near the head of this group. A vote for Aemon at this time wasn't unfounded and I wasn't the only one, although I was a bit more outspoken.

 

Aemon: Denounce yourself and you gain my trust.

 

Um...this is just confusing. Denouncing would probably lead to a lynch, so why would anyone do that to 'gain the trust' of one person?

 

My most damning moment, I admit. This will haunt me the rest of the game, especially if Aemon turns out to be who he says he is.

 

Aemon: Denounce yourself and you gain my trust.

 

I assume you are referring to this. I will not renounce because I truly am the Dagon Reborn. And your "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying" play is really making me scratch my head. How is that in any way a logical progression of thought?

 

That's what I thought. But his response kinds of explains it.

 

Defended by David here. The response did not explain it at all, at least in my book.

 

I addressed this later. David defended me while I went after Aemon and immediately turned on me when I unvoted.

 

I will not renounce because I truly am the Dagon Reborn. And your "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying" play is really making me scratch my head. How is that in any way a logical progression of thought?

 

I don't claim that you are lying unless you are indeed Dark. My guess is that you don't know that you are a False Dragon, as Logain did not know. I would hope that you would realize that before you get hurt. I don't want to lynch you if you are the Dragon Reborn. But if you are truly the Dragon Reborn, there should be signs of your coming. ;) Take Callandor, talk to me in my Dreams in TAR, Channel for crying out loud, do something besides say "Trust Me!" You should be all sorts of powerful/knowledgeable if you are the DR. (I realize that most of things aren't really possible in this game I think, but you must have some something to go off of)

 

 

What? Then why would he say that he wasn't tDR???? Also, totally hinting at reveals which we can't do...and which Red got in trouble for later.

 

Him saying he wasn't the Dragon Reborn fits perfectly with my bolded quote. Any man who can channel probably at one time believed he could be the Dragon Reborn, that doesn't mean they will proclaim it. Not until there is some sort of evidence at least. A false dragon, despite good intentions, is not the Dragon Reborn and will not fulfill prophecy. Well, in any case trying to get him to denounce was a bad idea, but it did stir the pot up a little. For now though, his finder ability will do for a sign of being town.

 

 

Also, what reveal hinting? I don't believe there is any in that quote.

 

You are under the assumption that the only ways to obtain info are being the Dragon or claiming finder. That isn't really true. In any case, if I came out and claimed Dragon at this time, how would that make me look on the heels of Aemon claiming and my mistrust of him? Also that would make me dead meat for the Darkfriends at this time.

 

Also, I have never said a word that I did not believe to be true though it may have made my life easier if I had, and I regret having said too much.

 

Confused at the bolded statement. That's almost like claiming anyway. Are you trying to claim without saying it outright?

 

This was not a claim in any sense, this was a response to someone asking if I was claiming to be the Dragon at that time. Context keyholder, context. I was trying to get the point across that even if I were to make a claim to DR at some point, that timing would have been ridiculous. In any case, I don't plan on making claim. So, yeah.

 

You know Aemon, despite my earlier suspicions of you (I still don't fully trust why you wouldn't have waited another day or 3 before revealing) You have been decidedly less scummy to me than both Red and David.

 

You do seem to pretty open about your role without a ton of manipulating other people's opinions. I'm still not entirely sure what to make out of your claim, but for now... You have my support on account of you seem to walk in the Light more than those who are trying to lynch you.

 

I am willing to admit my early prejudices, I am not one to ignore new information as it comes forth.

 

Don't really know what to think of this post, since Red we're pretty sure is super town and David was scum. Could be really rethinking, could be distancing self from the argument since it's been made clear from others that lynching a claimed Dragon is bad news bears.

 

At the time we weren't sure Red was super town, though some people thought so, there were also other votes for Red around that time.

And yes, I am trying to distance myself from my early enthusiasm towards Aemon. Good call there.

 

After my reread, here are the players I am most suspicious of:

Red- for obvious reasons

Trench- David spent quite a bit of time complimenting his poetry and how it "had the ring of truth" to it. David's "distraction" from the Song discussion did not look like a distraction to me, but more like trying to clear a teammate. I heard someone ask the question (can't remember who at the moment) What would the mafia gain by faking such a PR? and it just jumped out at me. He said it comes from his item. What if the scum have an item they do not want to lose? What better way to keep it than to make sure no one wants it?

BG- Crazy posts. "tell me you are lying and I will trust you". I don't know what kind of scum you are, but I'm betting you are not on David's team.

I'm getting the same opposing scum vibes from Alanna and AJ, but I really have nothing to back those feelings up with right now.

 

I find it interesting that everyone who puts themselves out there for any reason other to analyze the situation starts to look scummy. Of course these are the people you are most suspicious of; they are the ones that talk the most.

 

Again, I pointed out after this (when someone pointed out that this was a weird thing to say) that despite me honestly thinking this was something worth mentioning, it turns out this is a common Scum tactic in mafia. Now I know. Bad idea. Fair enough.

 

And as for this that was posted while I was making this argument (arg!)

Re-reading I am less and less convinced as I once was about Aemon. I'll be honest, I was VERY suspicious of the early Dragon call. It got heated. I also have been upset at the quote that Aemon attributed to me of "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying," since I never said that. What I had originally had proposed was for Aemon to renounce his claim as Dragon. Even people who truly believed they were dragon could renounce the claim without being a liar, and re-pronounce later on. As we progressed, I realized I was over zealous and retracted my vote and was then immediately attacked by David pretty strongly. I found it interesting that as soon as I retracted from voting for Aemon I got blasted by David when moments before he almost seemed to be supporting me (see posts #300 - #330ish). Seems like he was upset I changed my vote. I do not say this to show my own character, but to show how David responded when votes left Aemon.

 

Therefore, as previously one of Aemon's greater enemies, I now have begun to trust in him more. After my review in the past few hours, I am no longer leery of Aemon.

 

@Song, as far as who I am suspicious of at this time, something still bothers me about blackhoof's posts.He rambles, shifts subjects often, and his logic seems flawed... and uses WAY too many smiley faces.

 

So, in the hopes of moving this day along: VOTE BLACKHOOF

 

I can see how someone could change their mind after all of the information has been presented and after a few kills have happened. However, it seems to me like you could be trying to distance yourself from your earlier actions. I also really don't understand this quote, “What I had originally had proposed was for Aemon to renounce his claim as Dragon. Even people who truly believed they were dragon could renounce the claim without being a liar, and re-pronounce later on.” How could he do that without looking suspicious?

 

Anyway. Those are enough thoughts for now. I should have been in bed over an hour ago. Hopefully I'll have a chance to get on at work tomorrow so I don't have to have a wall next time.

 

Well said. I am trying to distance myself.

 

My attempt to get Aemon to renounce was a bad idea. In retrospect, stupid even. At the time though, I was trying to stir up the pot and see what the reaction would be. Maybe Aemon would slip up, or someone else might show something suspicious. When it was all said and done and I retracted my vote and Aemon held solid, David came after me, and I found my suspect.

 

Now again, I find it interesting that after your long post detailing my odd posts (which you did a great job of) you didn't vote for me as you are analyzing still..... Yet BlackHoof immediately chimed in with a Vote.

[bgrishinko]

@Song Yeah, the names would be pretty helpful. Whether you plan on naming them now or later, doesn't make much difference once night hits and doing it now gives us more time for lively discussion.

[Quibby]

To save some speculation, I am one of the people who visited Red last night. All I can do is talk to people at night. Exciting, I know.

[hotpocket2006]

The names I got who visited Red last night are Aust, Ed, Player, and Kwom Masbag.

[bgrishinko]

Looks like you could have held onto that nugget a little longer Quibby.

[Quibby]

... Of course it would work out like that...

[hotpocket2006]

lol Well I wonder why your name didn't show up on my list. That's weird.

[Red2111]

talk to people at night?? care to explain that further since you're opting to reveal Quibby.

 

 

BG, i dunno how i feel about you right now. some of the things your syaing are pinging me, yet you se4em to be playing a pretty clean game tbh. the "renounce" bit is alot of why i find you scummy, that and you did a 180 on Aemon so fast. you seemed to try to attach yourself to me, then when popular opinion swung against me you jumped ship to Aemon. at least thats my opinion of it.

 

right now, i'm more tempted to vote for Blackhoof. he's been the most scummy imo and frankly his celebrating over me losing my item has left a foul taste in my mouth. but seeing that we don't hve a deadline right now, i'm withholding my vote.

 

The names I got who visited Red last night are Aust, Ed, Player, and Kwom Masbag.

 

Quibby you just shot up alot higher on my list of suspects tbh. care to explain why Song wouldn't have seen you?

 

 

 

i was gonna say, i'm unsure if i wanted Song to reveal all the names she got. all of those players now have a target on ther backs and chances are one of them has a power role i'd rather be kept secret from the scum.

 

it may give us converstation, but it also makes their job easier ...

[Quibby]

I don't know. According to the conversation I had with the Lord Our Mod, she should have seen me. Basically all the role entails is that I can deliver a message through His Holy Modliness to one person per night, anonymously. No restrictions on what is said, as far as I know. The only reason I opted to reveal is because, based on the conversation with Mod on High, I should have been spotted.

[Red2111]

FOS @ Nyn, Drew & BG, for openly suggesting song reveal all of the names. it's good to keep in mind who openly suggested Song go ahead and reveal all the names, because i'm sure Scum woudl be encouraging this as well. also extend that to Trench for the "reveal at your leisure" comment" it wasn't openly asking ehr to reveal all the names, but should be included as well.

 

Quibby i didn't recieve a message from you dude ... also, found this on my re-read to find who openly suggested for Song to reveal the names

 

Aaaaaaaaaand that answers the Fain question. I would personally like to hear from Mynd, Aemon, and Red. Aemon and Red for why we shouldn't be refocusing on them today, and Mynd because I'm still a bit latched onto that particular bone.

 

this doesn't sit right with me. you put alot of effort into trying to re-open the pointless round arguement between me & Aemon. there isn't any new evidence yet on this, yet between this post and the one directly after that from you, it feels like your trying to get us all arguing about it again to cause confusion.

 

your also attempting to do it from the background, not really pusing the issue hard, but still bringing it up. smells alot like a manipulation attempt by scum; because if i was scum, attempting to capitalize on the confusion still surrounding me & Aemon is a relatively good tactic.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Kwom (2): Song, Aemon

TMD (1): Locke

Blackhoof (1): bg

bg (1): Blackhoof

 

Deadline: Friday, 6:30 PM EST

[bgrishinko]

Red, what do you mean I attached myself to you?

 

I don't ever remember trying to attach myself to you other than we had a shared suspicion of Aemon, in which case it makes it hard for me to jump ship when I wasn't on it to begin with.

[bgrishinko]

 

Blackhoof (1): bg

bg (1): Blackhoof

 

 

Heh, round and round it goes.

[Red2111]

i'm gonna ask Wombat maybe he forgot to send me your message Quibby. Song, you might want to check with Wombat to see if he sent you the right finding results. with a game this big, and everyone having roles, it's easy to overlook something small like that as a mod.

 

 

Quibby, if i get a no answer from Wombat ... lets just say that wont look good on you dude.

 

 

i can't understand why you would reveal that info unless it's true, especially since Song can back her info up; so it makes me hesitant to suspect you.

[danneric]

there are aa lot of pointers and pointees around here but the revelation of the nights are the only way to reveal the real answers to the people of truth. hmmmmm i cant wait for the night lets see whos tomarrows finger is going to be pointed at whom. in the first place though i wont say whom i suspect, at least not yet...

[Quibby]

The reason I brought it up was because the only thing that I had left to go on from yesterday was Aemon, specifically David's support of him. Aside from that nagging feeling about Mynd that I went with, I had nothing else. The thing with that is that the back-and-forth between you and Aemon is kind of inseparable in that debate. For your part, I really don't give a flying flamingo about you; your place in this game is (for the moment) settled in my mind, and I wouldn't have tried to contact you if it wasn't. My intent is not to cause confusion (not that that statement helps me, given current circumstances), but to just lessen my own confusion. I was left confused by the whole Aemon-Red thing yesterday, and my brain tends to annoy me about things like that until I have an answer.

[Red2111]

well apparently the cat has the Creators tognue right now; so i'll be reserving judgement until i get my answer and keeping a good watch on you Quibby.

[Quibby]

Is that so? I have something of a lucrative business as a stripper, actually...

 

Well, I say "stripper." Actually, I just start taking off clothes and charge people to make me stop.

 

Joking aside, I'm just as confused as you are right now, and I'm currently asking Almighty Mod about it, too.

[aemonkristen]

Red, Aemon is telling the truth he didn't target you last night.

 

 

Also Curt why the vote on Aemon? It's usually not a good idea to vote without any reasoning what so ever.

Actually I read her last statement wrong,it seemed like she was stating she targeted another who walks in the light. After looking at it again I think she walks the light as well

unVOTE aemonkristen

I am unsure who to vote now

 

 

Curt Aemon is a he

 

 

I'm getting this a lot lately. I guess I should stop wearing my pretty dresses.

 

 

I think since the info is out, we should focus on those four names. Plus Quibby if we get no mod verification of his NA. I say we start with the first name given Aust. It also works out well that I always think he is scum. I have to be right someday.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE AUST

 

You are not off the hook yet, BG. Just put on the back burner.