Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[csarmi]

I'm back.

[csarmi]

There are several things I don't understand here and I'd like an explanation.

Mynd's posts sound too good to be true, and some of what he's saying is all-too-confusing.

 

What's up with Drew?

What is this rand about the Whitecloaks?

What is this nonsense about visiting the snakes like 3 times. I think you're making that up, but why?

Why is it so very important how do some people feel about lynching Alanna?

What are these nonsensical questions like 'which of these three would you protect as a healer' and 'which of those two would you lynch' and all that.

What's this nonsense about me giving interesting casings. As far as I'm aware, I did do no such thing. I did add a little to the conversation, but not much of merit so far.

What's up with Verbal's compulsion?

Why does the fourth member of the masons come forward?

What's up qith Quibby's thoughts and his supposed items?

What's up with Egwene? Why would she be on a mason team when I see no in-game team of three (including her) that would make sense.

 

As for Alanna, she should speak up about her NA.

 

I'm getting quite tired of Mynd leading us blindly by the way.

Speak up clearly?

[Nynaeve]

I can attempt to answer some of the questions.

 

What is this rant about the Whitecloaks?

 

I think it's one of those theories Mynd has about what characters are in the game, nothing more.

 

What is this nonsense about visiting the snakes like 3 times. I think you're making that up, but why?

 

I completely agree that at first glance it does seem fishy. However, the first two visits did lead us to bagging scum. So it's not really that far fetched... seeing as it did deliver us good results.

 

Why is it so very important how do some people feel about lynching Alanna?

 

Mynd likes to analyze people's reactions and I think he's simply trying to deduct stuff off people's responses. I usually prefer to look at people's behavior in general, rather than asking them a direct question where they might answer in a bit more of a calculated way... but hey that might give some info as well. I guess every person has his/her own method at mafia hunting.

 

What are these nonsensical questions like 'which of these three would you protect as a healer' and 'which of those two would you lynch' and all that.

 

That's actually good questions to ask. Once a person is lynched and his/her role is made public, then we can go back and examine their answer. Granted they could have been truthful to protect other scum or lie to detach themselves from another scum... but it gives us something to work with.

 

What's up with Verbal's compulsion?

 

If I understand it right (and remember correctly), Verbal claimed to have been compulsed once and so it has been assumed that perhaps that sets him apart as town. But... wasn't someone once compulsed to vote for Nae? I don't remember which day it was and don't feel like going through the entire thread for it.. does someone recall, by any chance??? In general though... scum could have used compulsion on scum or used it to make someone vote for scum... to make them seem innocent. Something to think about.

 

Why does the fourth member of the masons come forward?

 

I'm going to assume you meant 'doesn't'. And that's a good question, actually. I know it's been deducted who he is, but I don't see why he didn't just come out and say it... especially if they are pretty much confirmed.

 

 

That's all I can think of right now, in regards to your questions.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

No I mean why does Mynd suggest that the 4th mason should come forward?

Where did we deduce who that was?

What do we assume who they are (the masons)?

[Nynaeve]

He deduced who the fourth member is by Talya saying that the fourth one wasn't being active currently... and when he asked her who she would vote for between Verbal and Quibby (two players who haven't been active at that point), when she named Verbal... then it looked like the fourth mason member was Quibby.

 

Why did he ask the fourth member to reveal? I guess it's because it would help narrow down the suspect list. If he got confirmation on them being a town mason team then knowing who the fourth one is would help to rule out another suspect... and make things clearer for us.

 

As for what we assume they are, they've declared to be a mason team for quite a while. There was talk at some point of perhaps lynching one of them to confirm the others, but the lynch never ended up going in that direction. And upon the confirmation Mynd just got about the mason team, from his latest visit to the snakes... I don't think it would be a good direction to take.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Talya]

And the Reason the fourth member can't do anything is because he is at Jordan Con, which he did announce in the thread. that ends on Sunday!

[csarmi]

How many baddies do you all reckon remain in this game? Let's see....

 

DrewoftheRushes - A pro-town who looks evil. Sound like anyone we know?

 

killuliu - likes to toss the salad dice!

 

Ahmoon 2.0 - All hail the Dragon Reborn!

 

Myndrunner - What did the snakes say this time?

 

Adella - Oh yeah, she's in this game and on the "mason" team.

 

bgrishinko - ringleader of the "mason" team.

 

Talya - chief inquisitor of the "mason" team.

 

Alanna - "Fine, lynch me! See if I care!"

 

Kwom Tink Bag - Did we replace an inactive with an inactive? Or is Tink still reading the thread to catch up?

 

Verbal - earlier dismissal for allegedly being compulsed by Nae. Let's explore this later and put him in the unknown category.

 

Songs 2.0 - would a mafia put the kaibash on a player they knew to be innocent? would she make such a fuss about it if she was mafia?

 

CSARMI - much more active than Virtuhall Valium, his casings have been interesting.

 

Quibby - like with Verbal, now is the time we need not make blind assumptions so readily. (Mason #4?)

 

Nyn - doesn't jump when Mynd says frog.

 

If this list is true, it seems very simple for me.

We have 8 confirmed townies. Six people can be scum

We lynch the other six at day, the DR NK's them the night and we'll have won in three days.

[csarmi]

So I suggest this line of action:

 

Lynch #1

Balefire #2

Lynch #3

Balefire #4

Lynch #5

Balefire #6

 

Should be quite effective, isn't it?

[DrewRiley]

So I suggest this line of action:

 

Lynch #1

Balefire #2

Lynch #3

Balefire #4

Lynch #5

Balefire #6

 

Should be quite effective, isn't it?

 

Sounds like a plan. I say we start with Csarmi.

[csarmi]

I prefer #6 myself :)

[Moon Sedai]

Yes, We could Lynch/balefire in that pattern.

But I've been VERY reluctant to use that power, for 2 reasons.

 

1) I am afraid of balefiring town. Even though I have a suspicion of who is mafia and who is not, now, I am just being cautious.I've come very close to balefireing friends.

 

2) I am afraid if I do start aggressively balefiring the minions of the Dark Lord that they will try to NK me. Especially since we no longer have a healer.

 

So, here's the question, townies. who is your second choice to lynch?

[Nynaeve]

If I had to consider someone it would prolly be either Kwom/Tink or Verbal. With Kwom we've been suspicious of him on several occasions. He came close to being the target of a lynch more than once (if I remember right). He hasn't seemed to have used his night action much if at all. Again, inactivity raises it's ugly head..... and since he posted so little I can't be positive of him... but he sort of sticks out to me.

 

With Verbal, there isn't something specific really. Sometimes he seemed scummy, sometimes less. But I think he's been relatively on ease for not being placed on the 'not sure' list, simply for being compulsed in one of the days. I don't feel that this absolves him in any way and I'd like to see more of him.

 

 

With that said, I still remain unsure about Alanna. Mynd seemed rather fired up about her being scummy and since he hasn't revealed the third question in the snakes yet I'm sort of curious to know if it relates to her. It just sort of feels like he hasn't told us everything quite yet.... am I wrong?

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Moon Sedai]

Townies

1. Ahmoondah 2.0 Keyholder Reborn

Mason team:

2. Adella,

3. BG,

4. Tayla

5. [Quibby?]

Highly Likely to be town:

6.drewoftherushes miller? {Mynd suspects Asmo}

7. Mynd (role blocker?). Has the "snake visiting" ability that has given some interesting insight into the game and given Mynd a lot of power in helping us find scum.

8. killuliu- Refused to vote, basically said "Bring on the Random Lynch" Is he my childhood friend?

The Above 8 I am fairly confident are Town.

 

The Following 6 I am not certain about in any way.

Previously Inactives:

Tiinker- busdriver, Replacement for Kwom. Still unsure,

Csarmi Fairly active, I am still unsure of Csarmi's place in the pattern.

Alanna- slowly starting to be active again. [high chance of lynch today]

Others/unsure.

Song 2.0- Voted vs Play3r early, targeted by play3r

Nyn- Even though she is rather active, I just can't get a handle on her.

Verbal was a (theoretical) compulsion victim.

[hotpocket2006]

because Talya, you announced who your 4th one was just yesterday and I found it odd that you guys has been going after each other previously. I also find it odd that no one else is questioning you guys. You guys said it, so it must be so. That's ridiculous, to the extreme. Even knew my line of thinking, though supposedly you guys have to find each other, and that's why you keep growing. I find it weird that you are so worried on why I'm questioning you guys.

[hotpocket2006]

because Talya, you announced who your 4th one was just yesterday and I found it odd that you guys has been going after each other previously. I also find it odd that no one else is questioning you guys. You guys said it, so it must be so. That's ridiculous, to the extreme. Even knew my line of thinking, though supposedly you guys have to find each other, and that's why you keep growing. I find it weird that you are so worried on why I'm questioning you guys.

 

Even Mynd knew my line of thinking that should be

[Myndrunner]

Songs, there is nothing wrong with questioning the mason team, that's just good scum-hunting. Sure, you could be mafia trying to cast shadow on at least one of them; however, we are kinda at a Shaido Standoff here. Consider these thoughts and let me know if it makes sense:

 

1) Assume that the "masons" are really scum. That would mean that BG had bluffed when he vouched for Adella so long ago during the Snakey Inquisition on all who bared the letter 'A' on their breast screen name. It would have been so easy for us to confirm his lying by going though with the lynch anyway, thus not only lynching a scum but revealing another in the process. I find this sort of bluff, although EPIC if true, too risky for the mafia to try. We now know all four of them, so lynching Adella (their least active) would either prove three innocents or prove that they have been lying the whole time.

 

2) So long as there is the possibility that they are lying, that actually keeps them safe because they are not quite confirmed innocents. The mafia would never target any of them for a night kill because that would be essentially confirming three innocents, pushing them closer to lynch.

 

3)Therefore, it is safe to assume that they are telling the truth because its too risky for them to be lying, to easy for us to prove them all scum...yet they are not quite proven to be town so the mafia won't touch them at night.

 

Obviously, I am wrong about Gawyn and Egwene. I thought the masons to be Trakands, but now I'm seeing it differently. Again the snakes only confirmed that there is a mason team in play. We know that BG, Adella, Talya, and now Quibby are claimed yet unconfirmed Masons. It is my opinion that we can pretty much write them off as town.

 

If they turn out to be CULT or Scum, then they deserve to win for taking such a great risk.

[Myndrunner]

Besides, if the "masons" are lying, then we will still have time to catch them.

 

I am still hoping to hear from Tink soon. Sort of the missing piece in the puzzle.

 

Is it me or has Verbal gotten very quiet all of a sudden?

 

Rand Ah'Moon, I wouldn't worry too much about the risk at this point. The odds are in our favor with such a handful of targets left. Might I suggest that you ask for us to VOTE on who we would recommend you target? You don't have to go with the majority, but I think it might be an interesting way to get information during the night phase. You can ask for a different color, like purple or something. Make sense?

 

I vote Verbal as your Balefire target tonight.

[Moon Sedai]

I suspect the masons could be wise ones/dreamwalkers.

 

If quibby is in fact one, He is also a 'message give.' and has communicated through "my dreams' sending me messages [about the Double Vote, and i think he sent me the 'fourth mason' dream].

 

It could make sense for him to be eggy- she gave dream messages frequently in the books.

[Verbal32]

Current Vote Count:

Alanna (5) - Mynd, BG, Ahmoon, Drew

 

Songs, at this point I am pretty sure the Masons are telling the truth. I thought they may have been a Cult before, but the whole connection with who Quibby is likely makes perfect sense.

 

Verbal, I would like to know who you feel the remaining mafia are.

 

Not sure. I'm considering the Alanna lynch.

 

 

How many baddies do you all reckon remain in this game? Let's see....

 

DrewoftheRushes - A pro-town who looks evil. Sound like anyone we know?

 

killuliu - likes to toss the salad dice!

 

Ahmoon 2.0 - All hail the Dragon Reborn!

 

Myndrunner - What did the snakes say this time?

 

Adella - Oh yeah, she's in this game and on the "mason" team.

 

bgrishinko - ringleader of the "mason" team.

 

Talya - chief inquisitor of the "mason" team.

 

Alanna - "Fine, lynch me! See if I care!"

 

Kwom Tink Bag - Did we replace an inactive with an inactive? Or is Tink still reading the thread to catch up?

 

Verbal - earlier dismissal for allegedly being compulsed by Nae. Let's explore this later and put him in the unknown category.

 

Songs 2.0 - would a mafia put the kaibash on a player they knew to be innocent? would she make such a fuss about it if she was mafia?

 

CSARMI - much more active than Virtuhall Valium, his casings have been interesting.

 

Quibby - like with Verbal, now is the time we need not make blind assumptions so readily. (Mason #4?)

 

Nyn - doesn't jump when Mynd says frog.

 

If this list is true, it seems very simple for me.

We have 8 confirmed townies. Six people can be scum

We lynch the other six at day, the DR NK's them the night and we'll have won in three days.

 

How to we have Mynd on the confirmed townie list?

[Verbal32]

*do

[Verbal32]

Besides, if the "masons" are lying, then we will still have time to catch them.

 

I am still hoping to hear from Tink soon. Sort of the missing piece in the puzzle.

 

Is it me or has Verbal gotten very quiet all of a sudden?

 

Rand Ah'Moon, I wouldn't worry too much about the risk at this point. The odds are in our favor with such a handful of targets left. Might I suggest that you ask for us to VOTE on who we would recommend you target? You don't have to go with the majority, but I think it might be an interesting way to get information during the night phase. You can ask for a different color, like purple or something. Make sense?

 

I vote Verbal as your Balefire target tonight.

 

Heh, been catching up on a LOT of threads. ;-)

 

I would rather that you didn't balefire me, lol. I'm not sure I can prove I'm town without getting modkilled, though.

[Myndrunner]

Heh, been catching up on a LOT of threads. ;-)

 

I would rather that you didn't balefire me, lol. I'm not sure I can prove I'm town without getting modkilled, though.

 

It's process of elimination, Verby. If you are truly town, then you are in the unique position to figure out who is scum because you know yourself to be innocent. We've pretty much narrowed down the list of remaining possible scumbags to you, Nyn, Songs, Alanna, and Tink. Since you are on this list, you can remove one name yourself.

[Verbal32]

I guess my point is that you are still on that list in my place. ;-)

[Myndrunner]

I guess my point is that you are still on that list in my place. ;-)

Understandable, especially coming from someone who admitted to still playing catch-up in this thread. Welcome back to the game, Verbal!

 

Now then, this was brought up before by CSarmi, but I would like to elaborate on it from a different perspective. A typical balanced mafia game is arguably 1/3 threats to town to total players. I say threats to town to include mafia, serial killers, symps, and even survivors because they can be a threat. Basically, a threat to the town is any player who can win without the town, from my perspective.

 

So, sticking with the 1/3 ratio, we currently have lost 23 players, 7 of which were threats to the town. 7 out of 23 departed players were threats, giving us a ratio of 7/23. 14 players remain from 37 players total. For the 1/3 ratio to work that would mean about 12 out of 37 players would have been threats to the town. That would suggest roughly 5 threats remain out of 14 players.

 

Eliminate the Masons and Rand ah'Moon from the list and that drops the ratio to 5/9. I know I am innocent, so scratching off me makes the ratio 5/8. I'm pretty sure about Drew and Kill, dropping it to 5/6. Flip it around and it reads that 1 out of those 6 players is innocent. Not bad odds if you ask me.

 

So, among Verbal, Songs, Tink, Nyn, CSarmi, and Alanna.....which one of you is not scum?

[Nynaeve]

I guess my point is that you are still on that list in my place. ;-)

 

Sorry but I have to interrupt this for a moment.....

 

*ROFL*

 

 

Carry on.

 

 

 

 

Nyn