Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Verbal32]

FOS on Talya for insinuating I was, though.

[hotpocket2006]

I believe she was saying who she'd rather vote for out of you two, saying you weren't a mason.

[Myndrunner]

I shall take our recent deductions as a fine substitution for Quibby revealing himself. Consider ourselves quite fortunate that we did indeed avoid that eye-bleaching sight!

 

Now then, as for my visit with the snakes.....I would like to reveal only the first and second questions now and the third in a few moments. To paraphrase without modkillness:

 

The first had to do with the true existence of a mason team or not. I got a positive response.

 

The second had to do with DrewoftheBushes and his milling about. I got a surprisingly positive response.

 

The third was a SHOCKING revelation that I would like to keep to myself until we have heard from Tink Kwombagger.

 

Songs, among Nyn, Verbal, and Tink....who would you protect from a Night Kill if you were the healer?

 

Revised for Kill's response: These are not hints so much as deductions. No one has given themselves away, but the nature of what certain players roles have been in this game, combined with old fashioned logic, I think I have figured some folks out. Look at this game as if YOU were the Mod. How would you create each player's role? Who would be lovers? Siblings? Masons? And who would be a townie trapped in a scum's body?

 

I do have the double vote item, unless someone stole it today.

[Tiinker]

Guys give me a bit it's a hundred pages long, how the hell did you manage that <_>

 

Hopefully will be able to put in something constructive by tomorrow. Don't want to base my vote completely on a bandwagon when we still have till Monday.

[hotpocket2006]

 

 

Songs, among Nyn, Verbal, and Tink....who would you protect from a Night Kill if you were the healer?

 

 

Are you asking me, out of those three, who I would protect?

[killuliu]

Revised for Kill's response: These are not hints so much as deductions. No one has given themselves away, but the nature of what certain players roles have been in this game, combined with old fashioned logic, I think I have figured some folks out. Look at this game as if YOU were the Mod. How would you create each player's role? Who would be lovers? Siblings? Masons? And who would be a townie trapped in a scum's body?

 

I do have the double vote item, unless someone stole it today.

 

Yes, that's exactly what I meant, in the end the characters (or guessing them) don't change the game any way (as the roles are only important, though guessing a character can give something out), but at least I find it entertaining. And Womb has shown that he is pretty fast at modkilling when someone gives themselves away.

 

I gifted you few days ago an a'dam, and I was thinking that has it been stolen? Because as I tried to say, I think it should maybe be given to quibby, as it can't be stolen then, and it's a dangerous item..

[killuliu]

oh crap, can't even remember what I have done: sorry Mynd, wrong call, I gave it to Moon :D

[Myndrunner]

I gifted you few days ago an a'dam, and I was thinking that has it been stolen? Because as I tried to say, I think it should maybe be given to quibby, as it can't be stolen then, and it's a dangerous item..

 

I did not receive a gift. I only have the double vote item. There was another item I had that I gave to someone I thought we could trust, but as we have not seen any more being broken, I think it is still safe. Might also account for this player's lack of activity, but I wouldn't say he is someone we could trust at this point.

 

Guys give me a bit it's a hundred pages long, how the hell did you manage that <_>

 

Hopefully will be able to put in something constructive by tomorrow. Don't want to base my vote completely on a bandwagon when we still have till Monday.

 

Welcome Tink and yes we have plenty of time for you to catch up. Be sure to pay detailed attention around the time that Verbal was allegedly compulsed and who he was voting for.

 

That definitely will become an interesting piece of info quite soon.

 

Songs, yes who would you protect out of those three? More of a gut feeling, who do you feel is least likely to be scum?

[csarmi]

Well I can't stay up any longer tonight. Is my assistance needed?

[Myndrunner]

Well I can't stay up any longer tonight. Is my assistance needed?

 

At this time, no, but thanks for offering. I'd like to know your thoughts when you come back to the thread tomorrow. Sleep well knowing the Dragon Reborn is safe and sound.

[csarmi]

OKIE

 

Night folks :)

I might be scarce tomorrow (will be busy), but I'll try to take a half an hour to catch up and share my thoughts.

[Alanna]

What's up with Alanna? I don't even understand that defense...

 

Well I'm not goint to vote just yet.

 

Perhaps you missed the part where I said it wasn't a defense. What I said has nothing to do with whether I'm town or not. I was offended by the implication that I was lying about RL things to avoid being seen as scummy.

 

Anyhow, have to go to work now, will see you all later.

[Myndrunner]

OKIE

 

Night folks :)

I might be scarce tomorrow (will be busy), but I'll try to take a half an hour to catch up and share my thoughts.

 

We will likely just need your vote by then, but yes definitely could use your casing. We are close to a town victory, VERY close, and we will need every town player testing each others logic before we decide on what to do next.

[hotpocket2006]

Well all three people are pretty suspicious in my eyes. Definitely not kwom/tiink. He's the most suspicious in my eyes. I guess probably Nyn. Not too sure about her, but I guess I'm less sure of Verbal at this time than her.

[Myndrunner]

Well all three people are pretty suspicious in my eyes. Definitely not kwom/tiink. He's the most suspicious in my eyes. I guess probably Nyn. Not too sure about her, but I guess I'm less sure of Verbal at this time than her.

 

Interesting, so from your perspective you would rank from most scummy to least the following:

 

Kwom/Tinkbagger

Nyn

Verbal

 

Ok now Verbal, if you had your choice between Nyn or Tink, who would you choose to lynch, if they were the only two options?

[hotpocket2006]

no I would save Nyn. In order from most scummy to least

 

Tiink

Verb

Nyn

[hotpocket2006]

So I decided to go back on Tigs and player2.0 posts to see if I or anyone else can get any info from them. Not done yet, this is only the first post.

 

I backed off of Song because she was getting really upset and I hate to see anyone get upset over a game, however, in the rules it states that we are allowed to use ANY tactic so I'm kinda starting to wonder. I agree with Alanna in that Song has played mafia before and knows the consequences of each action. If she was worried about people noticing the double vote, then why did she vote 2 posts into the game? It all just seems way off to me and since she has refused to address it then I guess I won't get any answers!

 

The only thing Tigs really did before she was asked to be replaced was go after my first incarnation, though I see her buddying up to Alanna right here, so that may be some kind of indication. Normally a symp tries to let mafia know they are out there some way. This is about the only thing I spotted with Tigs. May be nothing, but it may be something

 

So much has happened it seems.

Mynd is just being really weird. I started reading and was ready to do all sorts of FOS on him but is seems in the 4/5 pages I read through, they all got pretty covered.

But I dont think im ready to vote for him yet. I agreed with the names Red put out there though (I cant seem to find the post but it had Blackhoof and the such in it)

I want to hear more from mynd first but he is higher on my list of who to vote for than any of what Red put out. If Mynd does change my mind then ill start on Red's list.

 

Also someone mentioned Mynd'd reference to a lynch/vig kill. What struck me when I read that was maybe he wasnt hinting at something he had the power to do but actually he was hoping someone who did have the power would be easily swayed and do a vig kill on Verbal or Aemon. It's just the thought I had at the time

 

This is Player2.0 who took over from Tigs. Goes after Mynd a bit.

 

Ive been a vote stealer before and I got to choose when I made their vote change in the game. Now I think if there is compulsion it will just be the WoT name for a vote stealer so they could choose when the player gets the PM. Or they might get 2. One for them saying they are compelled and another telling them to vote. If they did this all in one PM to the MOD then the player would get one PM or, if we assume verbal is playing by his PMs and compelled, the player would get two separate PMs telling them how and when to vote.

I made a mess of explaining that but do you see what Im getting at? Its not so hard to believe that compulsion is in play and that a player might only get compelled halfway through a phase.

I still havent made up my mind if it's a gambit or a real play yet but I think Mynd's testing methods are extremely harsh for something like compulsion when we still have all the day one scumminess and Min's lynch to sort through. You seem to be trying to keep us from looking back a bit Mynd

 

Kind of sounds like he is defending Verbal and the complulsion bit, and also throwing more suspicion on Mynd.

 

Black if we lynch you we could get a good return if your scum. You seemed to have missed that point....

But Im not making any sort of vote until Red shows up and gives us her views on this recent DR. Incedently BG said "Car'a'carn" in his post. Do you think there could be anything in the fact that everyone has only claimed the DR and not the Car'a'carn (they should both be allowed cos they are the same role, unless in confusing my books and Rand doesnt gain that title until later in the series)

It just made me think that maybe only the Real DR (Rand) would know to claim Car'a'carn as well because False Dragon's wouldnt have had that title in their PMs but Rand might have

 

Defending BG it looks like

 

 

 

 

Just dropping in. Ill vote this afternoon (night on monday EST)

 

I think Mynd is innocent actually. Reading last night I didnt and was considering voting him but reading this mornings posts I do think he is innocent. Im leaning towards Drew at this stage but curt is right up there. I dont like the idea of an Adella lynch though. I get the info it would give but I dont find her that scummy and I dont find BG that scummy at this point.

 

Oh and the name thing. You keep calling him Graendal mynd but since none of us know our names would the scum know there's? It could be pretty obvious to work out or it could be pretty confusing if you dont know the books as well as you think.

This doesnt prove alignment or anything, it was just something that struck me, maybe the mafia dont know their own names either.

 

Defending Adella and BG quite hard. Throws suspicion on Drew and Curt. Then flip flopping on Mynd once again

[hotpocket2006]

I revealed because I would have had to explain how I knew who had the Horn of Valere anyway.

 

And to all of you who just sent in my name for thief plays... heh heh heh... You really don't think I'd tip my whole hand, do you?

 

So I sent in my theif play before I read this thread like I have been everyday.

Quibby! dont post after me or I will get your item (unless you want me to then you might as well just gift it)

Im not sure if it works but if you gift it will any people that made a successful steal just not get anything? If so give it to someone you trust or there will be heaps of others after it, most likely mafia.

 

Ok now thats out of the way I can say what I was planning to say. I think the Ama lynch is a good idea but Ive also very suspectful (that's not a real word is it?) Drew and (not so much now) Quibby. If Ama does flip scum then your going back up to the top of my list because of your sudden change of heart which Mynd pointed out all those posts ago

VOTE AMA

 

Throwing suspicion on Drew and Quibby.

 

Im assuming that he got a chance to go again but that seems really unlikely. Did you get three more or what mynd???

When Ive played as mafia ive almost always claimed miller and saved myself for atleast another day or two. Im inclined not to believe it rather than to believe the claim.

As for Nae voting herself. I was going to vote her but in my experience the mafia almost never give up on a game as they have their team on the QT that they have to answer to. SO for that reason im hesitating. But then again I dont really find Nyn all that scummy.

 

Throws supicion on Drew again. Also doesn't vote either Nae or Nyn.

 

Ive been so busy in RL I havent really had a chance to get involved with the game.

I see how your thinking that my vote was scummy but thats been the worst thing ive dont so far and I havent even been on yout guys scum list.

Therefore i think that there are some people trying to play the random lynch factor to get my lynch. A nice tidy way to get rid of a town quickly and get everyone to join in without discussion

In the interest of a lynch and due to MCS's posts i will

UNVOTE

VOTE SONG

She has been acting a little scummy and is a better choice than me. I wont be back online before night due to the time zones so i hope there is a controlled lynch

 

Then he tries to throw suspicion on me as his last act.

 

I dunna, he played his symp this game a lot cleaner than his last game, but I'm sure there's info in there somewhere.

[hotpocket2006]

Just to add to what BG said about roles etc...

 

BG, Adella, Talya - Masons

Aemon - finder (naive)

Ahmoon - Rand and has some grat powers no doubt

Mynd -Roleblocker

Quibby - message giver

Kwom - Bus driver

MCS - Says has one (predecessor did)

Killu - Has one, can't remember this?

Krak - Says he has a role and will reveal when gets to L-2 orL-1

Drew - Miller, views mafia, but is town

 

LEFT

 

Nyn

Nae

Quibby

Virt

Song

Verb

Alanna

AJ

MCS

 

The more I think about Kwon's role, the more I think it is town. I don't think this would be used in Aemon's innocent viewings. It's too complicated and unless they knew who he was viewing, makes it impossible. The fact he admitted to choosing Aemon and Red on Day 1. He may have felt something was going on. It was day 1, and someone said they were innocent looking, sometimes that could mean good candidates for mafia. he hasn't done it since, so he says. And I think I can believe that. Doesn't prove his innocence but makes me think more that he maybe.

 

Aemon: I believe this is up to book 6 and it was near the end of that book that Logain was healed. so he could well be a naive Finder and maybe something does have to happen to get him full ability or maybe it changes over the course of the game. I'm not sure there would be two Finders in a game, so naive sounds most likely. There maybe other finder type roles though. If there is a person redirecting his viewings each night, then you could assume that those he had viewed prior to his reveal are correct and those that are after you can be unsure of.

 

Drew, not sure he would say he was a miller and viewed mafia when he had been found innocent if he was mafia. It would prove Aemon once and for all though.

 

Quibby: not sure of. Is he a message sender, I don't think I have quite got to the bottom of that? If so is it a mafia one or town one, what does he send, Is it helpful? I'm sure he has denied being this role, but not sure. So I have big question marks about him.

 

Nae, Alanna, Virt, MCS and Song I haven't heard much from, seem to be keeping very low. Which is something I really don't like. I'm sure there are some Mafia lurking here!

 

AJ has popped in, but seems to be sitting on the fence at the moment. But Aust found her innocent, so I can understand where she maybe coming from. Not 100% sure she is innocent, but a lot higher in my mind than others for the moment.

 

Verb is another not too sure on at present.

 

Mynd, well what can you say about him. He does try to get things going. He does tend to lead (and people do follow -whether because they don't really have a clue and because they can hide behind him and blame him if things go wrong). Leading doesn't mean Mafia and sometimes these games need a shake up. He's not on my innocent list, because he does this whether town or innocent and as yet I'm not sure what he is. Those that have jumped to his defence a little to readily (Song stands out, but isn't the only one) doesn't sit right with me.

 

Krak, My first instinct when it was TMD was that if TMD had been mafia would have been more active. Metagaming, but sometimes instincts are right. Krak though did jump around a bit about the vote for blackhoof, but after reading what Nyn said I can see what she means.

 

UNVOTE

 

Just little doubts in my mind, and Kwom after some thought I think could be town. The person that stand out most to me is Quibby

 

VOTE QUIBBY

 

 

Just to add to what BG said about roles etc...

 

BG, Adella, Talya - Masons

Aemon - finder (naive)

Ahmoon - Rand and has some grat powers no doubt

Mynd -Roleblocker

Quibby - message giver

Kwom - Bus driver

MCS - Says has one (predecessor did)

Killu - Has one, can't remember this?

Krak - Says he has a role and will reveal when gets to L-2 orL-1

Drew - Miller, views mafia, but is town

 

LEFT

 

Nyn

Nae

Quibby

Virt

Song

Verb

Alanna

AJ

MCS

 

The more I think about Kwon's role, the more I think it is town. I don't think this would be used in Aemon's innocent viewings. It's too complicated and unless they knew who he was viewing, makes it impossible. The fact he admitted to choosing Aemon and Red on Day 1. He may have felt something was going on. It was day 1, and someone said they were innocent looking, sometimes that could mean good candidates for mafia. he hasn't done it since, so he says. And I think I can believe that. Doesn't prove his innocence but makes me think more that he maybe.

 

Aemon: I believe this is up to book 6 and it was near the end of that book that Logain was healed. so he could well be a naive Finder and maybe something does have to happen to get him full ability or maybe it changes over the course of the game. I'm not sure there would be two Finders in a game, so naive sounds most likely. There maybe other finder type roles though. If there is a person redirecting his viewings each night, then you could assume that those he had viewed prior to his reveal are correct and those that are after you can be unsure of.

 

Drew, not sure he would say he was a miller and viewed mafia when he had been found innocent if he was mafia. It would prove Aemon once and for all though.

 

Quibby: not sure of. Is he a message sender, I don't think I have quite got to the bottom of that? If so is it a mafia one or town one, what does he send, Is it helpful? I'm sure he has denied being this role, but not sure. So I have big question marks about him.

 

Nae, Alanna, Virt, MCS and Song I haven't heard much from, seem to be keeping very low. Which is something I really don't like. I'm sure there are some Mafia lurking here!

 

AJ has popped in, but seems to be sitting on the fence at the moment. But Aust found her innocent, so I can understand where she maybe coming from. Not 100% sure she is innocent, but a lot higher in my mind than others for the moment.

 

Verb is another not too sure on at present.

 

Mynd, well what can you say about him. He does try to get things going. He does tend to lead (and people do follow -whether because they don't really have a clue and because they can hide behind him and blame him if things go wrong). Leading doesn't mean Mafia and sometimes these games need a shake up. He's not on my innocent list, because he does this whether town or innocent and as yet I'm not sure what he is. Those that have jumped to his defence a little to readily (Song stands out, but isn't the only one) doesn't sit right with me.

 

Krak, My first instinct when it was TMD was that if TMD had been mafia would have been more active. Metagaming, but sometimes instincts are right. Krak though did jump around a bit about the vote for blackhoof, but after reading what Nyn said I can see what she means.

 

UNVOTE

 

Just little doubts in my mind, and Kwom after some thought I think could be town. The person that stand out most to me is Quibby

 

VOTE QUIBBY

 

 

 

I actually revealed that I was a messenger/neighbor/whatever you want to call it on Day 2 as a result of the Aemon-Red chaos.

 

Considering the events of page 101, wherein I posted after Talya several times, I think it's safe to say that she discovered another little item that I'm holding. When the Lord Our Mod modkilled Turak and Faile, I looted Turak's body and discovered a heron-mark sword that makes me immune to thief plays. Between that and the Horn, the only chance that the scum has of getting rid of me is to lynch me during the day. I think this post is the start of an attempt to do that, especially since there are two other votes that are further along than this. I know this will read like OMGUS, but I feel pretty confident in voting Talya.

 

 

Hmmm....Talya is part of the alleged Mason team, Quibby. Lynching her would either confirm or deny BG and Adella as town masons. Now why would you wanna go and do a thing like that? Please explain again how your vote is anything but OMGUS?!

 

unvote

 

vote Quibby

 

 

Sorry to disappoint Quibby, I don't have your Heron blade, I haven't put in any thief plays at all.

 

So what exactly is your role, as you dont even seem sure about what you have said! There are two other votes and I have stated why I'm not going for them at the moment and decided to look at things and I came up with you. So I'm not being lead, I'm doing my own thing here. with what I see. If you have lost an item I suggest you look to others!

 

 

Because I'm incredibly confident that there was a thief play thrown in there, too. With seven posts in a row between Talya and myself after I announced that I had the Horn, a thief play seems likely. Especially if you consider it's already happened once in the game, between Tigraine and Song on pp.7-8, which resulted in Tigraine getting the double-vote item. Also, considering the books as a source, is it really that hard to believe that there may be scum on a Mason team? There's an entire Ajah in the White Tower who make their living suckering the rest of the Ajahs. I'm not saying that the Mason team is all scum. I'm saying that it seems highly likely to me that there is one scum on the Mason team, and the timing of this post coupled with the more than likely thief play leads me to strongly suspect Talya.

 

 

I agree Quibby there could be Mafia on our team. All I can say is they must have had a separate PM then because we all had a PM together.

 

So you are saying you are a messenger. What messages have you given and who to. Because they could corroborate it or they can deny, but at leat we'd have a better idea what you do, because I'm not sure about that role!

 

 

All of this is pretty darn fishy too..........

[Myndrunner]

Current Vote Count:

Alanna (5) - Mynd, BG, Ahmoon, Drew

 

Songs, at this point I am pretty sure the Masons are telling the truth. I thought they may have been a Cult before, but the whole connection with who Quibby is likely makes perfect sense.

 

Verbal, I would like to know who you feel the remaining mafia are.

[hotpocket2006]

Bg knows my alignment, as I know his, because we are on a mason team. Our only powers are that we can talk to each other. There is another member but I wouldn't reveal them without their permission.

 

There was only three members, now all of a sudden a fourth pops up? Doesn't make sense to me.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Alanna (5): Mynd, BG, Ahmoondah, Drew

 

8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday at 5 PM ET.

[Myndrunner]

Bg knows my alignment, as I know his, because we are on a mason team. Our only powers are that we can talk to each other. There is another member but I wouldn't reveal them without their permission.

 

There was only three members, now all of a sudden a fourth pops up? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

I believe that Egwene "found" Gawayn or the other way around.

[Alanna]

Actually, I think the masons are someone else - another group that makes sense for Quibby to have joined.

[Talya]

I found is odd that you are questioning this now Song. After all that has come out, you seem to be trying to discredit the Mason Team! We are now 4 and from the books it is obvious how we got here. We were found, but the bits you have quoted were before we had been found, and we had no idea who was who. I know that it has nothing to do with Gawyn, as that would be him just finding one not three. So I will leave it at that. And yes I questioned when we had our fourth join us and had all our alignments confimed by the Mod.

 

I'm actually feeling that Alanna could be innocent, but I would like her to reveal her role. Yes I know role fishing, but I think that this far into the game it won't matter too much.