The Three shall become One

[Mandro]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

She has channeled, she just did it through another person.

[Suttree]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

She has channeled, she just did it through another person.

 

Which means the other person channeled. Tuon has no connection to the source and is still a "learner".

[Pygmalion79]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

She has channeled, she just did it through another person.

Sul'dam do not "slow" their aging; as has been pointed out often, they can reach the brink of channeling, but they do not channel themselves, because they do not take the final step. They direct the saidar through another woman, but the power never comes through the sul'dam herself. They are riverbeds without water.

[Mandro]

Not if the scabbard hasn't been made yet!

 

Hmm that would be an idea. Min to figure out that the scabbard is necessary, Aviendha to determine just how Callandor is flawed with her sensitivity for artifacts of the One Power and Elayne to finally make the scabbard.

 

There's always been that problem that to use Callandor properly the woman would have to guide the flows, that always struck me wrong since if it was one of the women who actually sealed the DO shouldn't there be a lot more mention of her in the prophecies? Rand would just be a reservoir of Saidin in that case wouldn't he? She would be more important than him ultimately.

 

That's good, I totally overlooked aviendha's affinity for creations of the power. That's a good observation, wonder what's up with that? Maybe the final circle will be nynaeve and aviendha (still don't believe it, since rand is sure he will die, I don't think he would put his wife through that) but aviendha picking out that last bit of info about callandor is interesting.

[Wantanswers]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

Even if she started to learn immmediately, she wouldn't learn enough to light a candle in time. So yeah I am so quick to dismiss it. There hardly any amount of support for the idea.

Tuon is about 20 years old, but she looks like a girl of 16. Obviously she is slowed. But Learners, and Suldam are Learners, don't slow as long as they haven't touched the Source. So, Tuon is a Sparker. And she is not only a Sparker, she is a Wilder as well.

Wilders, unconsciously, hide their ability and can only channel under special conditions. Before her block was broken, Nynaeve could only channel when she was angry and, I believe it was Faolain, who could only channel when there was a boy in her neighbourhood.

 

What kind of block does Tuon have?

I think she hides her ability behind the a'dam. I think she can only channel as long as she is linked with a damane, and that would be a very good camouflage. As a matter of fact I think she channeled herself when she tried to shield Mat in KoD.

Anyhow, after Tuon's block is broken, she can channel, just like Nynaeve could.

 

Tuon doesn't need to know that she can channel. Nynaeve never realised she had ever channeled untill Moraine told her.

 

 

@Terez

It's amazing, isn't it? I agree with you!

Yours Trolly

[Pygmalion79]

Tuon is about 20 years old, but she looks like a girl of 16. Obviously she is slowed.

I would like this theory a lot except that we've been told that channelers don't start to slow until their 20's or 30's. I think this has to be filed under "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[Wantanswers]

Tuon is about 20 years old, but she looks like a girl of 16. Obviously she is slowed.

I would like this theory a lot except that we've been told that channelers don't start to slow until their 20's or 30's. I think this has to be filed under "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Slowing starts as soon as one starts to channel. Male channelers mostly start to channel when they are between 20 and 30 years old (tough I know at least 2 exceptions). Female channelers are starting earlier. Untill Egwene changed it, the WT didn't even accept girls that were older as 17.

 

I don't smoke cigars, I prefer a pipe.

[Terez]

No, not like that one. Tuon is no channeller. She has no place in the actual sealing of the DO.

Just because she hasn't channeled yet does not mean that she won't. We know that she can, and we know that it's probably even necessary if there is to be any hope of resolving the damane issue before the end. So don't be so quick to dismiss it, especially in light of the fact that there is a good amount of support for the idea.

 

Even if she started to learn immmediately, she wouldn't learn enough to light a candle in time. So yeah I am so quick to dismiss it. There hardly any amount of support for the idea.

Tuon is about 20 years old, but she looks like a girl of 16. Obviously she is slowed.

I wouldn't say it's obvious at all. The damane would be able to sense her ability if she had channeled, theoretically, so it's probably best to assume that she is just petite. It's not exactly uncommon.

 

@Terez

It's amazing, isn't it? I agree with you!

Yours Trolly

You only thought you did.

[Wantanswers]

I wouldn't say it's obvious at all. The damane would be able to sense her ability if she had channeled, theoretically, so it's probably best to assume that she is just petite. It's not exactly uncommon.

1. The damane may not even look at her toes

2. Can they see who is channeling when they are linked

3. The damane that insults the Empress of being a channeler wouldn't live much longer

 

Before you said that Fortuona's ability might be used in the Last Battle. That doesn't make any sence, if she is a Learner. I'm aware she knows the weaves already, but so do Bethamin and Seta. If Fortuona is a Learner, she has to learn how to control the weaves. I don't think there is enough time for that.

[Pygmalion79]

Slowing starts as soon as one starts to channel. Male channelers mostly start to channel when they are between 20 and 30 years old (tough I know at least 2 exceptions). Female channelers are starting earlier. Untill Egwene changed it, the WT didn't even accept girls that were older as 17.

I seem to mix up all sorts of things here. Threads, turns to the Shadow, now this. Perhaps I was thinking of the "Aes Sedai face" that is produced by the binding rod and mixed it up with slowing. Regardless, though, it seems remarkable for slowing to be responsible for making a 20 year old appear 16. If Tuon's starting when most start, then that is a *lot* of slowing. It seems easier to assume that she's just really small. When my sister was 21 people mistook her for 13. It's not that unusual. Of course, you might reply, "But perhaps she's just not quite as small as she appears!" Well, okay...but then you still have to explain why the Aes Sedai haven't noticed that she can channel.

[Wantanswers]

Well, okay...but then you still have to explain why the Aes Sedai haven't noticed that she can channel.

Didn't they notice or didn't they speak of it?

They sure know that Tuon can channel. They were leashed by Tuon and Teslyn was with Mat when Eaganin told that all suldam could learn.

[Terez]

I wouldn't say it's obvious at all. The damane would be able to sense her ability if she had channeled, theoretically, so it's probably best to assume that she is just petite. It's not exactly uncommon.

1. The damane may not even look at her toes

2. Can they see who is channeling when they are linked

Looking doesn't have anything to do with sensing someone who can channel. That's how Moiraine knew Nynaeve was spying on her in TEOTW. She sensed her. Also, damane are around Tuon often enough without her wearing their bracelets, not that it matters much.

 

3. The damane that insults the Empress of being a channeler wouldn't live much longer

Even the Imperial family can be collared.

 

Before you said that Fortuona's ability might be used in the Last Battle. That doesn't make any sence, if she is a Learner. I'm aware she knows the weaves already, but so do Bethamin and Seta

Not as well as Tuon. Again, she's special. Other sul'dam have to make the damane do the channeling. Bethamin has just barely begun to admit that she can sort of see the weaves, but Tuon has known she can see them for some time now, and she had no problem admitting it.

[Pygmalion79]

Well, okay...but then you still have to explain why the Aes Sedai haven't noticed that she can channel.

Didn't they notice or didn't they speak of it?

They sure know that Tuon can channel. They were leashed by Tuon and Teslyn was with Mat when Eaganin told that all suldam could learn.

Sorry, that was imprecise. The Aes Sedai know that sul'dam can channel, in the sense that they can learn to channel, but my sense is that Aes Sedai can distinguish between a woman's potential with the Power from her present ability to channel. So, if Tuon has begun actually channeling, shouldn't they be able to sense not only her potential but her present ability -- and therefore recognize that she is wilder?

[b3arz3rg3r]

Even the Imperial family can be collared.

 

And I think it's quite likely that all the children of the empress had to go through the damane testing just like every other girl. The battle between the heirs is too thorough. Those siblings are raised to employ every weapon at their disposal against their siblings to reach the throne. A refusal to undergo the testing would be the same as bleeding in a tank full of hungry sharks in my opinion.

[Wantanswers]

Well, okay...but then you still have to explain why the Aes Sedai haven't noticed that she can channel.

Didn't they notice or didn't they speak of it?

They sure know that Tuon can channel. They were leashed by Tuon and Teslyn was with Mat when Eaganin told that all suldam could learn.

Sorry, that was imprecise. The Aes Sedai know that sul'dam can channel, in the sense that they can learn to channel, but my sense is that Aes Sedai can distinguish between a woman's potential with the Power from her present ability to channel. So, if Tuon has begun actually channeling, shouldn't they be able to sense not only her potential but her present ability -- and therefore recognize that she is wilder?

I understood already what you meant for I've wondered about that myself. Still I can give you no other answer:

Didn't they notice or didn't they speak of it?

 

Unfortunately we don't have a POV of any of the AS. Or perhaps, I should say fortunately! Should we have this kind of discussions if we knew everything in advance.

Perhaps it helps if you think of them just as AS. AS have their own secrets and they are not eager to share them with outsiders.

So, even if they know the strengh and the ability of Tuon, they should not have discussed it with Mat or anybody else.

[Remy Blobet]

Shara, Seachan, and the Blight become one to face Rand's army.

[Wantanswers]

Even the Imperial family can be collared.

 

And I think it's quite likely that all the children of the empress had to go through the damane testing just like every other girl. The battle between the heirs is too thorough. Those siblings are raised to employ every weapon at their disposal against their siblings to reach the throne. A refusal to undergo the testing would be the same as bleeding in a tank full of hungry sharks in my opinion.

I doubt you can find any quotation of that in any of the books.

 

As far as I know the Court of the Nine Moons minds his own business.

As soon as a woman starts to channel, she is leashed and her name is removed from the books.

As soon as a man starts to channel, he is killed and his name is removed from the books.

Tuon had to ask to to be tested for suldam. Her mother gave her approval by not answering.

 

Not as well as Tuon. Again, she's special. Other sul'dam have to make the damane do the channeling. Bethamin has just barely begun to admit that she can sort of see the weaves, but Tuon has known she can see them for some time now, and she had no problem admitting it.

The weaves are not the problem. Controling the Power is the problem. If a channeler cannot control the Power she can kill herself or she can be burned out. Only 1 of 4 Sparkers can develope a kind of self-control and survive(Wilders). Any Sparker who is brought to the WT in time can learn to control the Power. Learners will never develope any kind of self-control, because they cannot touch the Source. So, if Fortuona is a Learner she has to learn how to control the Power and she cannot use her ability in the Last Battle or she is a Sparker and her block has to be broken.

 

Oh, yes, I do think Lady Luck is special for I think she will be about as strong as Elaine and Egwene. (might be wishfull thinking)

[Wantanswers]

Shara, Seachan, and the Blight become one to face Rand's army.

That would mean that the Seanchan will fight on the side of th Dark One. That's in contradiction with the Prophecies of the Dragon:

He will bind the Nine Moons to serve him.

 

I have seen so many options about the 3 to become 1, that I could add mine as well:

The three to become one are the 3 worlds

The World of Life

The World of Dreams

The World of Death