[T+M Mafia] Chains of Blood: Crimson Tides - GAME OVER

[Aust]

There's been a lot of emotionality in this game so far - Song was really angry at the end, Aemon and Limi really tangoed yesterday, and there have been some strong words and opinions on people's voting yesterday. I think we have to take things a bit more even-keeled in order to avoid things getting too personal, and to try to take a better look at things.

 

A quick post-mortem on yesterday - Song started revealing very early in the pressure on her, and this I think more than anything else is what escalated things, and was the context behind everything else she said and revealed. She actually started her reveal with 5 votes on her, and the whole basis for her defense was the reveal in progressive steps. Looking back on yesterday it's easy to critique what everyone did, but in the context of things Song has to take some accountability for what happened. They way she posted yesterday contributed to her lynch. That means that some mafia were able to swoop in and it goes without saying that there were mafia among her voters. The question is who was exploiting the lynch. We need to look for signs of someone clearly maneuvering.

 

What bothers me about Limi's posting yesterday (and this point was already made I believe) was she started out defending Song, and then got in a huge tussle with Aemon for it, and then ended voting her at the end. That' s a lot of maneuvering for day one - more than anyone else.

 

Vote Limi

 

 

 

On the back burner of things we have Thorum:

 

 

First, I can understand this logic, mostly.

 

However, the "we know they are" part got me. Did we? How would we? And obviously we were wrong.

 

Reading this after knowing about Song and Nae, it feels more like a scum trying to push himself away from an innocent lynch.

 

I'm going to vote Thorum[/color].

 

I think this was well reasoned out - it bears looking into. Thorum, why did you make that statement?

[Toy and Minion]

Vote Count:

 

Limi (4): Talya, Wombat, Locke, Aust

 

False (1): Thorum

Thorum (1): False

 

With 15 Alive It Takes 8 To Lynch

 

Deadline Monday

[Red2111]

with the deadling not being until monday i'll stay my vte on Limi so she has a chance to defend herself. i do think limi is the best candidate for a lynch today; but no need to rush it like yesturday.

 

And Red.... tl;dr, is there a cliffnotes version?

 

um, Talya has good points, as does FD concerning Thorum; and Limi looks like scum; with more defending my vote staying on Song. is that good enough for cliffnotes ;) thoguh i'm hurt you didn't read it, FOS at you for ignoring my post.

[False Dragon]

Thorum: I see your point of not knowing which way the lynch would go, so that accusation does not hold much wait.

 

However, you pull an OMGUS vote (you'll be hard pressed to dissuade me from it). Tsk tsk. My vote stays.

[mmeeshal]

Sorry I haven't been on before now; I had a stressful and LONG day at work the other day and then yesterday I just got all four of my wisdom teeth pulled, so I'm in a lot of pain right now. I should be able to continue playing, though; I'm not in so much pain that I think I'll be too out of it for very long. I'm going back to work tomorrow, I think, so I'd better be recovered enough to participate.

 

Okay, honestly, it was irresponsible of me not to pay attention, but I had no idea I was the hammer vote on Song until after someone said, "and there's the hammer" or something like. Just so that's clear.

 

I didn't know she was un-NK-able when I voted for her, or else I would possibly have waited a little longer before deciding to vote her. However, I honestly didn't think that there was any way she WASN'T lying about her reveal, the way she did it. Hindsight sees all a lot clearer, but at the time I agreed with everyone else who thought Song was a LLL because of how she went about revealing stuff.

 

Anyway, so that's why I voted her. I don't have any further input than that at the moment, I can see where everyone's coming from on Limi right now but I'm going to hold off voting her for now until I have a chance to reread the thread and decide for myself. Plus, again, I'm in a heckuva lot of pain right now. Hard to pay attention to what's going on and care much about it. Waiting for the vicodin to kick in.

[Little Miss]

*shrugs* honestly I thought her reveal was scummy, and seemed paniced. Her whole tone changed as she post and her over defensiveness seemed scummy as well.

 

I explained meself in my reasons.

 

As to the comment every one is getting caught up on, funny now that so many say its bad when It's something I have said before.

 

Song paniced and told us everything there was to know about the role in a very short about of time. Even before that she half revealed. That isn't good for the town, honestly it would be like the finder stating every innocent they checked and making targets.

 

She outed herself and her partner.

 

As to ""defending her" I did defend the fact that it formed redicuously, as to her half reveal and then full detailed one, that seemed scummy. I honestly think Aemon is scum and that carried on because he enjoyed drawing out little bits of it.

 

I also wanted to point out that Talya said me Locke and Meesh were the three to vote so quickly no one could do anything...

 

 

Did any one bother to look into that? See who was online but never took time to unvote? See who had voted on her and STAYED voted on while saying they weren't buying it?

[WWWwombat]

Trying to deflect to me, Limi?

[Little Miss]

No if I was I would have voted on you Wombat.

 

There were others as well, I just find it odd that every one narrowed in on what Talya said and by that let her lead the game.

[Talya]

Sorry to hear that Meesh, I had a tooth and half pulled a few weeks back, over an hour in the chair and it hurt for ages after... so i totally feel for you.

 

Okay the timline...this is GMT but you'll get the picture

 

8:30pm - Song - Says she is on a mason team and that person will die when she does and she is a researcher

 

9.06pm - Limi - Questions Song about whether they know about all this

 

9:14pm - Song - Yes the person does know, and she is getting stressed

 

9.15pm - Song - Throws in her comment on her partner being a finder.

 

10.23pm - Wombat - Accuses her of being scum, asks not to be viewed. - On a second look at this it's a bit odd, why say that, did he think he was in line to being viewed?

 

10.32pm - Limi - is 100% agreeing with Wombat

 

10.52pm - Locke - Votes for Song

 

11.06pm - Limi - Votes Song - Also says that if she was town then she really wasn't helping her team mate - In fact she is doing the only thing she can to save her team mate...those lynching are the ones that aren't helping her team mate.

 

11.14pm - Meesh - votes song and says that her alignment doesn't matter - Wrong again, her alignment matters a lot on what she has revealed.

 

12.15 - Red - Says that song is a LLL, by this time it is too late, a hammer vote has been made.

 

If you thought her reveal was scummy, Limi, why not put it on her earlier on instead of waiting for the Finder claim. I don't care what any of you say you don't go hammer and tong in the votes like that when someone has revealed that, and it's not as though you couldn't see everyones votes it was only in 22 minutes.

 

And Meesh whether you put the Hammer vote on or not, makes no difference, you were still quick to place it on there.

 

And I agree with Limi, Wombat could have easily unvoted, but didn't, so he's not out of the frame, but then he wasn't on between Locke's vote and Meesh's vote. Like I said 22 mins is not very long. He may have thought no one else would put it on.

 

Who else was around I don't know.

 

The only reason I'm doing this is to get the game going and putting stuff out there, if anyone has anything else to go for, fine. I'm happy to listen. But I haven't heard anything else to go on. Nice to try and say that I'm leading the game, hoping they turn on me are you? Take the pressure off you?

[False Dragon]

This Limi wagon has the same smell of the song wagon minus the quirky reveal.

 

I like the fact that people have slowed down, but I think too many votes popped up too soon.

 

I'll say it, Songs reveal was scummy. She claimed Finder connection, but it was a very suspicious reveal.

 

I understand why everyone lynched her. My whole stance on this is more of a "let's not do this again anytime soon, and possibly learn from our mistakes (you too Song)."

 

That fact that it was an understandable lynch, makes it very difficult to make a case on anyone who lynched her. And Limi hasn't reacted to this in a way I'd consider scummy.

[Little Miss]

Not really Talya, thing is I am not trying to deflect to any one, You weren't the only I adressed in that and the comments I made.

 

I am half way to a lynch, so I explained myself an my thoughts.

 

As to the claiming finder... it honestly added to the oddness and seemed like an ultimatum.

 

Did any one notice the fact it said "Finder OF THE" meaning I have a feeling there is a second finder out there. But then again it may have just been wording of the mod.

 

Now before people scream I am role fishing please note I am not asking them to reveal but merely for people to think and decide on their own, if there may be another one out there.

[False Dragon]

I did notice the wording. And I have a theory in the works.

[Talya]

Limi, There is a possibility in that as there are other groups. But it did look like they were the only ones in that group. And it didn't particularly look like fishing to me.

 

False i think you are missing the point, it was the speed of that lynch, not giving time for discussion (check my post to see the time difference). Plus a normal rule of Mafia, is that you DON'T lynch a claimed finder (or mason buddy of who will kill said finder if killed) without some kind of debate. There were three votes away, and time for a lot mire discussion, but three decided not to give anyone else (apart from Wombat) the chance to unvote or change their view! This vote on Limi isn't rushed, in fact it's got some discussion going, I don't want it rushed, I want discussion because it gets the game moving. So again you are mistaken with it being like Songs.

[False Dragon]

Mistaken to your PoV, perhaps. I'm not saying it's 100% the same. More a comment on gut feeling than anything else. I don't like it.

 

Oh, I got the point about the time. Hard to miss your previous post on it. And maybe that's all we got. Perhaps a scum is among them. But you've singled out one of three, Talya. You're only brushing the other Locke and Meesh as if to remind yourself that Limi wasn't the only one.

 

That's the vibe I'm getting from you. It doesn't make you scum, though. If we don't have a focus, we won't get a lynch.

 

I just don't agree with the lynch.

[Talya]

I just went with her, if you had bothered to read, because I felt she was slightly more scummy than the others. But I would be happy to go for any of the others. looks like you are defending limi a little too much. And if you don't think that 22 mins is not much different to this over...how many days? then you are looking more like it too.

 

So False, I would to hear some information you got out of day one. something that stood out strongly to you. Because you slate me for what has stood out to me, and that is all you have done!

[alannalynn]

You are defending Limi rather hard, FD, makes me wonder if you don't have a connection to her... How is speed lynching someone connected to the finder EVER a good thing? LOL. Funny dragon... I gotta say, I'm agreeing with Talya right now, but in my opinion Meesh and Locke are just as guilty, though Meesh has an excuse. Kinda.

[Talya]

She should be a hamster not a squirrel, I bet her little face is swollen... OUCH!!!

 

I'm having memories of my teeth, must be in sympathy!

[False Dragon]

Never have said it was a good thing, Alanna. Simply said I understand why it went down the way it did. Doesn't make it right. Not defending her for it.

 

I'm defending her because I believe her as much as I can believe anyone.

 

I've stated what I am going to state about what I've got from Day 1.

 

I've also got my vote on the one I think most likely at this point to be scum.

 

Everything you need to know why has been said. If it's not enough for you, continue with Limi, by all means. We'll see the outcome. I'm pretty confident in this one.

[Toy and Minion]

A ROLE HAS BEEN ACTIVATED!

[LedZepMan]

I am gonna go ahead and vote for Thorum, because i am smelling something fishy with his assumption that locke is connected with song. It not sitting right with me, and im agreeing with FD's analysis

[Thorum]

Can you all please reread the two or three pages before I said 'everyone knows song and locke are connected'. More than half of them were about that connection. Not so outspoken, true, but that was their topic.

[Toy and Minion]

Vote Count:

 

Limi (4): Talya, Wombat, Locke, Aust

 

Thorum (2): False, Led

 

False (1): Thorum

 

With 15 Alive It Takes 8 To Lynch

 

Deadline Monday

[False Dragon]

Thorum, you are the only one to state their connection as fact.

[Tigraine]

I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse but I don't see how this was an understandable lynch in such a short amount of time when finder was mentioned. Talya's timeline puts it even more into perspective. Somebody wanted Song lynched fast.

 

FD it is hard to believe in anybody as much as you do Limi, in a mafia game, if you do not KNOW their alignment. You are putting yourself out there quite a bit and if Limi gets lynched and flips scum then you are gonna be under the lamps.

[False Dragon]

I agree with the concern with the speed of the lynch. The why of the lynch was what was understandable to me. But I still find it unbelievable it actually happened. I know why you all might find this stance slightly contradictory. I feel a bit contradictory. But I

 

FD it is hard to believe in anybody as much as you do Limi, in a mafia game, if you do not KNOW their alignment. You are putting yourself out there quite a bit and if Limi gets lynched and flips scum then you are gonna be under the lamps.

 

Agreed. Now the question remains: Am I confident in Limi's innocence because of my own innocence, or because of my guilt? Or am I just walking a tightrope over a pool of lava, a noose my only lifeline?

 

Well, now, that is up for you all to decide for yourselves.