Russian Devil Hotel - Game Thread (ON)

[Sir Redust]

Appologies everyone. Hope you understand my absence due to the holiday.

 

What I find most intriguing about the Aemon-Myndrunner situation is the reactions to it. Nothing groundbreaking to me, personally. It does seem the votes mounted rather fast, but IIRC that's nothing new.

 

Have nothing more to add at the moment, just really letting you all know I'm still alive and kicking.

[Myndrunner]

AlannaLynn's post is the model of what a town player should be doing, justifying her reasons for voting not trying to discredit accusers. Aemon Kristen is scrambling like a caught mafia, but not making clear accusations.

 

What I mean by not reading the vote count is he didn't notice that there was already a 2 count vote in place before this supposed "bandwagon" started. Aemon wasn't paying attention because he doesn't have to. He already knows who is mafia and who isn't. He doesn't need to read and analyze votes to figure out who is scum.

[LilyElizabeth]

I actually agree with that last post, Mynd. That's a scary thought.

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah...it does make sense.

[Toy and Minion]

*nod* That makes me three I guess. Kinda worries me.

 

AJ's clarification was helpful too.

 

Redust! Mi amico! Sorry, my Italians kinda rusty. It's no fun having a vote on you anymore.

 

Unvote

[LilyElizabeth]

Since there are four of us feeling the same way about AJ's post, that makes me want to look closer at Kivam.

[Hybrid]

OK, I've gotten the go-ahead from DPR and my role PM. Time to start playing.

 

Monster post coming up . . . prepare yourselves. Here are my thoughts on what’s gone on so far. (Edit while previewing: It’s apparently too many quotes for DM to handle, so I’m going to break it up into multiple chunks. Also bear in mind that I'm not quoting everything. If I don't have anything particular to say on it, it's not included.)

 

Up to this post quoted below, I had no particular thoughts on or problems with anyone's posts.

 

Daggnabbit!!

 

 

*Plural Entity

 

Trying to cast suspicion on Toy n Minion to distract from your weak attempt at ignoring the facts? You reek of a mafia desperate and scrambling to deflect suspicion to another target before the "randomness" of Day 1 wears off and we have to make a decision. You have pinged on multiple radars and will likely be our first lynch. Should you flip mafia, it will be quite interesting to see who delayed in voting for you.

Quoted for reference below.

 

 

Lol. Sorry. I got distracted when you said scrambled. I immediately thought of eggs and lost track of the rest of your diatribe. Could you repeat that?

First off, this is hilarious. Second, I’ve got no issues with Aemon’s response here. It’s hard to take Mynd’s last push seriously, since he quoted Aemon correcting himself about a joke concerning T&M and then went off about “Aemon casting suspicion on T&M.” Note that T&M was not the only player in Aemon’s joke response.

 

 

So what you are saying Mynd is that those that don't automatically vote for aemon because you tell us to are the scummiest in your book if he flips mafia? Why all this rush towards a lynch? It's not like there's a deadline and we have to rush to consolidate votes. We can take our time on this lynch and you basically speaking for all of us when you say that Aemon is going to be our first lynch is ridiculous. You aren't the leader of the pack m'dear and I have a brain of my own, and you can't lead me to make conclusions on a lynch on page 2 when there's no deadline. I'm not saying Aemon isn't suspicious, but I refuse to be led anywhere. UNVOTE

This, however, was a massive ping. Definite overreaction. Mynd made all of two posts poking at Aemon, but Song is super aggressive coming out at Mynd.

 

 

See how Aemonkitten is retracting here? I was quite explicit in how desperately he tried to appear like his vote was random, but keep in mynd that this was not his first vote, nor was it the first bandwagon. AK saw the opportunity to slip a vote my way because he knows I am a target for Day 1 lynches and said that my second vote was a bandwagon. A TWO PERSON BANDWAGON?! Come on, even for me that's a stretch AND it wasn't the first one of its kind in this game either.

 

Also, please note that AK isn't bothering to read the vote totals and who is voting for who because he doesn't need this information. Only innocents tracking mafia read vote totals. Mafia deflect and try to discredit.

 

 

Discredit? Does that mean I won't be able to get a home loan?

I didn’t have an issue with Aemon’s first humorous response. This one, however, feels forced. Partly because it isn’t as funny, though that is relative. And partly because at this point, I’d expect players to start reacting to Mynd’s attack. Aemon’s trying awfully hard not to be defensive at this point, and that’s a minor ping.

[Hybrid]

My thoughts are also with you Toy.

 

As far as the game, I find Aust's response acceptable. Aemon's responses to Mynd, however, are not. Stop trying to play it cool and joke around and get serious, Aemon.

 

unvote

 

Vote Aemon

Pressure vote. I’m fine with this.

 

 

Mynd wasn't the first one to jump on your vote for him. Toy seemed to think it was odd too. Your nonchalance seems forced and therefore scummy. Combine that with you and Song trying to steer attention away from you and onto Mynd and we have a situation that bears watching.

I agree.

 

 

So basically what you are saying Wombat, is that if I don't automatically jump on the wagon with you three, or if I question it, then I'm trying to distract away from aemon? That's interesting.

This is a bit of spin, considering how quickly Song came out firing (i.e. before there were really any votes on Aemon at all). Song’s pinging pretty hard in her defense of Aemon at this point.

 

 

Mynd, why do you keep insisting that I am not keeping track of the vote count?

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE MYNDRUNNER

 

Starting a bandwagon on Kivs this early? You are obviously just big game hunting, sir.

 

1) Details, details.

 

2) Since i needed it to be a bandwagon to have an excuse.

 

3) Because no one wants to hear me say "i just feel like changing my vote because it's fun to pick on Mynd".

 

 

You seriously cannot see the joke in this? And Mynd, if you want to stand by your "there is no random on Day 1" maybe I have my vote in the right place.

 

Wait....Kiv agrees with me on the lynch of Verb? I smell a gambit!!!

 

unvote

 

vote Kivam

Finally a response. I don’t have a problem with this post – I do, however, feel that it came too late. At this point, Aemon’s much more suspicious than Mynd.

 

 

I was not overreacting. I think Mynd was overreacting to what Aemon said. Also Mynd was tryong to take control of the lynch, and that stinks. Aemon is going to be the first lynch? Is mynd psychic? Or does he have his own qt where he can communicate with other people to secure the lynch? hmmm...

 

Also, Mynd, if I was scum with aemon I definitely would not be defending him. That's like the number one rule of being mafia. I'm smarter than that.

This was a bit over the top. Considering that Mynd suggested Aemon as the first lynch when there were no votes on Aemon whatsoever, he’d need 7 teammates to secure that lynch.

[Hybrid]

unvote

vote Aemon

 

Time to roll the dice

 

And consolidate votes. Aemon or Mynd would be ok with me, so I'm cool with this lynch right now.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Aemon

And this was a minor ping. Krak never actually stated that he wanted to consolidate votes. The intent was pretty obvious, yes. But you know what they say about assumptions, right? Also, this could be read as Verbal making sure that his teammate’s vote is associated with vote consolidation. Nothing serious, but that's a mental note.

 

 

I agree that we need to start consolidating. For now -

 

 

vote Aemon

 

 

Regarding Song - I don't think she sees what Mynd did as a lure - I think she's taking what Mynd said at face value.... or it could just be that she's being obstinate.

 

Song, if you could respond to this - did you truly believe that Mynd was serious in the post that you famosly 'overreacted' to?

Another quick bandwagon. It’s a minor ping (Aust hadn't even bothered to vote prior to this, but all of a sudden he wants to consolidate votes), as are all the other quick bandwagon posts. But on the other hand, Aust’s post makes the most sense and is the cleanest out of all of them.

 

 

Okay. Trying to jump back in with a clear head. I'm uber tempted to vote Song for her reactions, but I don't think she realizes how her play can be construed as defensive, but I think Aemon is rather suspicious by what I've seen and how he's reacted despite being wary of y'all leading me around in circles and pushing me to vote where you like. Ugh you manipulative freaks! But, in favor of consolidation and not trying to split the votes, I'll go ahead and vote Aemon, who's apparently a kitteh. And I apologize again for holiday intervention, I can only get online at night whilst I'm here in the South.

 

This is by far the scummiest post of Day 1:

 

I'm uber tempted to vote Song for her reactions, but I don't think she realizes how her play can be construed as defensive

 

I might vote for player A but I won't = look, I'm being reasonable

 

but I think Aemon is rather suspicious by what I've seen and how he's reacted

 

Really? How so?

 

despite being wary of y'all leading me around in circles and pushing me to vote where you like. Ugh you manipulative freaks!

 

Protesting too much. "Don't manipulate me, I'm town".

 

But, in favor of consolidation and not trying to split the votes, I'll go ahead and vote Aemon

 

"I'm really voting because of you guys. So when he turns up dead townie, it's your fault, not mine"

 

Note that the post is also internally contradictory; she starts off saying that she's voting for Aemon because he's "rather suspicious" but ends up claiming it's really just to "avoid splitting the vote".

 

This post screams scum trying to justify hopping on a bandwagon, to me.

 

unvote. Vote Alanna

Quoted for emphasis. I agree with pretty much everything here.

 

 

I wasn't defending aemon though, I was attacking mynd. Two different things. If it would've been anyone in aemons shoes and mynd would've done the same thing I would've done the same thing.

 

Oh contrare, mon ami!

 

I indeed would not have done the same thing! I'm simply fishing for mafia and right now, I have two observations:

 

1) The bandwagon (real one, not two person) has loaded up faster than me at an all-u-can-eat buffet!

 

2) Alannalynn's post isn't as scummy as Kiv makes it out to be; however, anyone who simply says "that's scummy to me" but doesn't expand on why sounds much like one who is trying to hide upon a vote.

 

3) What is wrong with leading a lynch on someone when we suspect them to be scum? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing?

 

4) Attacking a player rather than the issue is what scum do.

 

Here is the truth, yes we do need to secure a lynch to gain information and (hopefully) bag us a scumbag.....but we don't need to do this right away, and pushing for a lynch during this holiday of which many of the players here observe sounds like a scumjob to me. We can wait for the weekend, I'll be around.

 

unvote

That was four observations.

 

I had the same initial reaction to the bandwagon on Aemon. It built up very rapidly, which makes me instinctively leery of it even though I agree with it.

 

 

Okay, I'll provide my reasoning for voting Aemon now that I have a little bit of time. Bad to let these things sit forever... I've been running short on time since I'm on VACATION and so my post was quick and sweet. I'll start from Aemon's vote and work from there. I thought my vote was self-explanatory, but apparently not.

UNVOTE

VOTE MYNDRUNNER

Starting a bandwagon on Kivs this early? You are obviously just big game hunting, sir.

2 votes still isn't a bandwagon, that's just a mini-consolidation of thoughts.

1) Details, details.

2) Since i needed it to be a bandwagon to have an excuse.

3) Because no one wants to hear me say "i just feel like changing my vote because it's fun to pick on Mynd".

Let's see, Mynd, Krak, Kiv, T and M (honestly, anyone that refers to themself as a pural entity must be scum)..hell now I've gone and lost count. Let me start over.

Lol. Sorry. I got distracted when you said scrambled. I immediately thought of eggs and lost track of the rest of your diatribe. Could you repeat that?

Then the last three posts were all distraction attempts. Jokey reasoning, then totally going off to eggs. I understand jokeyness is fun and all, but when you're being targeted a clear head and straight words is best to make you seem more town-like, in my opinion.

See how Aemonkitten is retracting here? I was quite explicit in how desperately he tried to appear like his vote was random, but keep in mynd that this was not his first vote, nor was it the first bandwagon. AK saw the opportunity to slip a vote my way because he knows I am a target for Day 1 lynches and said that my second vote was a bandwagon. A TWO PERSON BANDWAGON?! Come on, even for me that's a stretch AND it wasn't the first one of its kind in this game either.

 

Also, please note that AK isn't bothering to read the vote totals and who is voting for who because he doesn't need this information. Only innocents tracking mafia read vote totals. Mafia deflect and try to discredit.

 

 

Discredit? Does that mean I won't be able to get a home loan?

I just don't get the careless attitude and it sticks out as way scummy to me. The jokeyness is trying to slip under any radar and yet it makes him stick out more than anyone else in my mind.

 

Would someone who is scum shrug things off so carelessly? I have to wonder that. I'm thinking probably not.

I'm not sure they would shrug it off so easily, but then again he's trying to look town pretty hard, with his going back on his vote, and playing it all off.

 

 

Then he starts to play "more seriously" after Wombat's comment on his vote and Aemon tries to detract on to someone else.

 

In response to Kivam's questions: I was leaning Song at first but decided Aemon was the better choice for multiple reasons, among those being his behavior and my own want to consolidate votes on someone. We can see who jumps on this "bandwagon" (whenever you feel like calling it that) on Day 2 and see what happens, what their reasoning was, etc, especially if he flips mafia (or even town). I won't say my vote is any more guilty than anyone elses if this turns wrong, I don't know why you would think my comment was to defend myself against blame, that's just dumb. lol.

 

 

Edit after preview: Lily's right, I don't start pulling quotes til later in the game, shame on you!

 

*waits for the analyzing*

Bold part: Distraction attempts? At that stage, Mynd and T&M were both still being slightly humorous in their attacks. It wasn’t until later that Aemon came off as scum because of his humor. Slight ping for minor spin.

 

Italicized part: Again, feels like she’s preparing for Aemon to flip innocent. Another ping.

 

 

Since there are four of us feeling the same way about AJ's post, that makes me want to look closer at Kivam.

This is interesting to me. In Lily’s last post, she mentioned wanting to put pressure on Aemon. She doesn’t refer to that at all. It could be benign – with the bandwagon, there’s no need for more pressure on Aemon and it’s worth looking elsewhere to avoid tunneling. But that’s three posts (see below) in which she’s reluctant to vote Aemon, and now she provides a bit of a nudge in the direction of Kivam. That reads as deflection right now.

 

 

Would someone who is scum shrug things off so carelessly? I have to wonder that. I'm thinking probably not.

Occurred after Wombat's vote for Aemon.

 

 

Mynd, I wasn't defending him. Just sharing my musings, I guess you could say. I've thought it over and that was something I can see him doing as mafia. Since we have plenty of time, I want to see a vote count before I vote but I intend to apply pressure on Aemon, too.

Occurred after Verbal's vote for Aemon.

[Hybrid]

Sorry for all that.

 

Conclusion (TL;DR):

Aemon came off as slightly scummy (humor was slightly forced, making it seem like he was trying too hard not to appear defensive).

I also saw Song's initial response as overreaction (no bandwagon or votes on Aemon at the time).

I think Lily's doing a bit of deflecting away from Aemon (reluctant to vote him and nudging towards Kivam).

And Alanna's post was fairly scummy, for the reasons Kivam stated.

 

That gives a decent direction to go in no matter what Aemon flips. If he flips scum, I'd look at Song and Lily, in that order. If he flips innocent, I'd look at Alanna.

 

Because of that, I'm OK with vote: Aemon.

[LilyElizabeth]

Hybrid, aren't we supposed to look at everyone? I'm not really pinged by Kivam too much, but it's worth a mild look in his direction and to see if anyone else is feeling that way.

 

I still intend to vote Aemon, but with the holiday and all, and nobody playing, I didn't want to do it then. I'd like to wait until everybody is back and the game is up and running again. He seems the most likely to be scum. And yes, it took me a while and a reread to come around to that. Is that scummy too?

[LilyElizabeth]

And please don't call my sarcasm defensive.

[WWWwombat]

Good stuff Hybrid. I don't have a read on Alanna yet but I can see where Kivam is coming from and I find the fact that so many people are defending Alanna to be odd. Lily's push back at Kivam was particularly peculiar. I think a lynch on either Aemon or Alanna will provide good info. I would like to hear more from both of them, especially Aemon.

[Kivam]

Sorry for all that.

 

Conclusion (TL;DR):

Aemon came off as slightly scummy (humor was slightly forced, making it seem like he was trying too hard not to appear defensive).

I also saw Song's initial response as overreaction (no bandwagon or votes on Aemon at the time).

I think Lily's doing a bit of deflecting away from Aemon (reluctant to vote him and nudging towards Kivam).

And Alanna's post was fairly scummy, for the reasons Kivam stated.

 

That gives a decent direction to go in no matter what Aemon flips. If he flips scum, I'd look at Song and Lily, in that order. If he flips innocent, I'd look at Alanna.

 

Because of that, I'm OK with vote: Aemon.

 

Agreed.

 

unvote.

vote Aemon

 

BTW, I must have shoveled an aggregate of 100 feet of snow yesterday, at least. My back is killing me. ugh.

[Verbal32]

Ditto on the snow, Kiv.

 

Since there are four of us feeling the same way about AJ's post, that makes me want to look closer at Kivam.

This is interesting to me. In Lily’s last post, she mentioned wanting to put pressure on Aemon. She doesn’t refer to that at all. It could be benign – with the bandwagon, there’s no need for more pressure on Aemon and it’s worth looking elsewhere to avoid tunneling. But that’s three posts (see below) in which she’s reluctant to vote Aemon, and now she provides a bit of a nudge in the direction of Kivam. That reads as deflection right now.

 

I read that as the same.

 

FYI - after today, I'll be probably offline for a few days later this week. Damn holidays and stuff.

[Kivam]

BTW, Aemon is at L-1. Aemon, role reveal would be called for here. Shouldn't need to say it, but NOBODY HAMMER until Aemon has a chance to talk

[hotpocket2006]

Awww Kiv you ruined my fun! I wanted to be all Slamma Hamma in this b*atch!!! (by the way, in case someone doesn't know this, this is a joke lol)

[LilyElizabeth]

We'll see who gets to him first, Song ;)

[LilyElizabeth]

There's one problem with role reveals at this stage - nobody knows if they have a ghost role or not. At least most of us don't. This should prove very interesting. I hope you're enjoying this Mr. ModGod.

[DPR]

I'd be enjoying it more if my travel and holiday scehdule hadn't been thrown into a blender and left on...

 

However, I'm back - I'm reading, and farily ecstatic to see a good game shaping up. Give me the rest of the day to unpack and catch up with work, and I'll start putting together our first scene.

 

Current Vote Count:

 

Aemon ( 7 ) - Wombat, Krak Aust, AJ, Verbal, Hybrid, Kivam

Mynd (1) - Aemon

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[Hybrid]

Hybrid, aren't we supposed to look at everyone? I'm not really pinged by Kivam too much, but it's worth a mild look in his direction and to see if anyone else is feeling that way.

 

I still intend to vote Aemon, but with the holiday and all, and nobody playing, I didn't want to do it then. I'd like to wait until everybody is back and the game is up and running again. He seems the most likely to be scum. And yes, it took me a while and a reread to come around to that. Is that scummy too?

True, it is worth looking elsewhere to avoid tunneling. It wasn't really that you were looking in Kivam's direction, but the way you provided that little nudge by linking a bunch of players in with yourself. It read a little like you were trying to push attention in that direction without being seen as responsible. That and the fact that you'd said that you intended to vote Aemon but never really followed up one way or another on that -- it's a minor ping.

 

---

 

Ouch about all that aforementioned snow. It was 70 degrees and sunny here in Southern California today.

[LilyElizabeth]

Okay, I see that. You're right that I'm trying to keep a low profile, but not because I'm scummy. There are players in this game who can eat me alive and not even blink. I'm trying to lay low until I find something worth going after. I have some gut feelings but nothing concrete yet.

 

I'd vote Aemon right now, but we should give him a chance to respond, don't you think?

[Krakalakachkn]

My vote stays.

 

Also, Kiv I know what you mean. Well...technically I don't, but I was supposed to be in NY from the 27-31 and our flight was cancelled due to the absurd amounts of snow. Next year however...and I'll be 21 which means anyone who wanted to catch a drink in Manhattan, well I'd be 200% down for that shite! Also, I might be in NY over the summer, so if I am, I'll let some peeps know because I turn 21 in January.

 

On a game related note, I think Hybrid did a good job with his observations. I would say that Song and Alanna are looking scummiest at this point, but mainly Song. Also, it's a good read of the situation, but he also points out scumminess in about 4-6 different people, all of whom can't be mafia. This fact makes me want to look closer at Hybrid, his general and partially ambiguous accusations (depending on which person he looked at) could be a ploy to look town by casting suspicion on multiple people. If only one person flips mafia out of those, I think Hybrid is our next bet.

[aemonkristen]

Well, I have to say it is surprising to be at L-1 for choosing not to react to Mynd's obvious poking. There is really nothing I can add to what I have said. My saying that he was bandwagoning was a joke. I was fully aware that there were only 2 votes at the time. Again, it was day 1 playfulness that Mynd has successfully turned into a reason to lynch. It seems the only way to live through the day is to reveal, so...I have a one time finder ability. I'll use it tonight now that it's out. I'll even understand if you want to lynch me tomorrow to test the truth of my reveal, but I dont think we should let this ability go to waste.

[DPR]

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