Talmanes is Demandred! (Soylent Green is people!)

[office fan]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

[Sharaman]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

 

No gateway - they rode.

Talmanes meets up with Mat in KoD; he gives a description of what the Band did in Murandy and how they got caught in a landslide while crossing a pass in the Dimonas (sp?) to meet up with Mat in Altara, how his reaguard was cut off, and how they avoided being seen by raken and Seanhcan patrols, yada yada.

 

If you think Talmanes was lying, the entire Band must have been sworn to secrecy. All 8,000-odd of them are Darkfriends and they do a damn good job of risking their lives in battle for Mat, and refusing to claim a large reward for killing him (or killing Tuon for that matter).

[bobthecrusher]

I don't think that Its possible for Talmanes to be Demandred simply because its already been established that the dark one and all of the Forsaken want him dead. With Rand there has always been that 'maybe we can use him' factor, but with Perrin and Mat, its kill on sight. If Demandred, with his hate for Lews Therin, were that close to Mat and Rand, then they'd both be dead.

[office fan]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

 

No gateway - they rode.

Talmanes meets up with Mat in KoD; he gives a description of what the Band did in Murandy and how they got caught in a landslide while crossing a pass in the Dimonas (sp?) to meet up with Mat in Altara, how his reaguard was cut off, and how they avoided being seen by raken and Seanhcan patrols, yada yada.

 

If you think Talmanes was lying, the entire Band must have been sworn to secrecy. All 8,000-odd of them are Darkfriends and they do a damn good job of risking their lives in battle for Mat, and refusing to claim a large reward for killing him (or killing Tuon for that matter).

No. The entire Band would not have to be swore to secrecy,and probably none of the band was. And none of the band would have to be darkfriends. Just Talmanes. He just left the part out and he mentions that the Aes Sedai can make Gateways and travel. Thus creating a way to travel without being linked to Demandred. I do admit though I have no idea where the dimonas are.

[Hybrid]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

 

No gateway - they rode.

Talmanes meets up with Mat in KoD; he gives a description of what the Band did in Murandy and how they got caught in a landslide while crossing a pass in the Dimonas (sp?) to meet up with Mat in Altara, how his reaguard was cut off, and how they avoided being seen by raken and Seanhcan patrols, yada yada.

 

If you think Talmanes was lying, the entire Band must have been sworn to secrecy. All 8,000-odd of them are Darkfriends and they do a damn good job of risking their lives in battle for Mat, and refusing to claim a large reward for killing him (or killing Tuon for that matter).

No. The entire Band would not have to be swore to secrecy,and probably none of the band was. And none of the band would have to be darkfriends. Just Talmanes. He just left the part out and he mentions that the Aes Sedai can make Gateways and travel. Thus creating a way to travel without being linked to Demandred. I do admit though I have no idea where the dimonas are.

So if Mat happened to mention in passing to a random soldier, "Oh hey, heard you guys had a bit of trouble in the Damonas" and got the response "What?" the whole scheme would fall on its face. Yep, sounds a lot like Demandred, master tactician, to me.

 

In addition, the Band brought a mapmaker with them who made detailed maps of the entire area that they passed through. And the Band's scouts have marked about every Seanchan encampment from the Malvide Narrows in the Damonas to Mat's current position. (http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/books/kod/ch26.html) Mat then proceeds to go on a guerilla campaign against the Seanchan, and his success suggests that the maps and scouting were accurate.

[Sid]

Roidellemandred! It's so obvious.

[Sharaman]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

 

No gateway - they rode.

Talmanes meets up with Mat in KoD; he gives a description of what the Band did in Murandy and how they got caught in a landslide while crossing a pass in the Dimonas (sp?) to meet up with Mat in Altara, how his reaguard was cut off, and how they avoided being seen by raken and Seanhcan patrols, yada yada.

 

If you think Talmanes was lying, the entire Band must have been sworn to secrecy. All 8,000-odd of them are Darkfriends and they do a damn good job of risking their lives in battle for Mat, and refusing to claim a large reward for killing him (or killing Tuon for that matter).

No. The entire Band would not have to be swore to secrecy,and probably none of the band was. And none of the band would have to be darkfriends. Just Talmanes. He just left the part out and he mentions that the Aes Sedai can make Gateways and travel. Thus creating a way to travel without being linked to Demandred. I do admit though I have no idea where the dimonas are.

So if Mat happened to mention in passing to a random soldier, "Oh hey, heard you guys had a bit of trouble in the Damonas" and got the response "What?" the whole scheme would fall on its face. Yep, sounds a lot like Demandred, master tactician, to me.

 

In addition, the Band brought a mapmaker with them who made detailed maps of the entire area that they passed through. And the Band's scouts have marked about every Seanchan encampment from the Malvide Narrows in the Damonas to Mat's current position. (http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/books/kod/ch26.html) Mat then proceeds to go on a guerilla campaign against the Seanchan, and his success suggests that the maps and scouting were accurate.

 

@Office Fan you've obviously read a different book / series - maybe it was in a mirror world.

[office fan]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

 

No gateway - they rode.

Talmanes meets up with Mat in KoD; he gives a description of what the Band did in Murandy and how they got caught in a landslide while crossing a pass in the Dimonas (sp?) to meet up with Mat in Altara, how his reaguard was cut off, and how they avoided being seen by raken and Seanhcan patrols, yada yada.

 

If you think Talmanes was lying, the entire Band must have been sworn to secrecy. All 8,000-odd of them are Darkfriends and they do a damn good job of risking their lives in battle for Mat, and refusing to claim a large reward for killing him (or killing Tuon for that matter).

No. The entire Band would not have to be swore to secrecy,and probably none of the band was. And none of the band would have to be darkfriends. Just Talmanes. He just left the part out and he mentions that the Aes Sedai can make Gateways and travel. Thus creating a way to travel without being linked to Demandred. I do admit though I have no idea where the dimonas are.

So if Mat happened to mention in passing to a random soldier, "Oh hey, heard you guys had a bit of trouble in the Damonas" and got the response "What?" the whole scheme would fall on its face. Yep, sounds a lot like Demandred, master tactician, to me.

 

In addition, the Band brought a mapmaker with them who made detailed maps of the entire area that they passed through. And the Band's scouts have marked about every Seanchan encampment from the Malvide Narrows in the Damonas to Mat's current position. (http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/books/kod/ch26.html) Mat then proceeds to go on a guerilla campaign against the Seanchan, and his success suggests that the maps and scouting were accurate.

Does Mat ever just wander around talkin to random solders. not that we have seen. Athough I did just look at a map and didnt realize how close Murandy is to Altara. I always thought Murandy was was further North. So I can see that they wouldn't need a gateway.

[office fan]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.

Where does it say that?

 

No gateway - they rode.

Talmanes meets up with Mat in KoD; he gives a description of what the Band did in Murandy and how they got caught in a landslide while crossing a pass in the Dimonas (sp?) to meet up with Mat in Altara, how his reaguard was cut off, and how they avoided being seen by raken and Seanhcan patrols, yada yada.

 

If you think Talmanes was lying, the entire Band must have been sworn to secrecy. All 8,000-odd of them are Darkfriends and they do a damn good job of risking their lives in battle for Mat, and refusing to claim a large reward for killing him (or killing Tuon for that matter).

No. The entire Band would not have to be swore to secrecy,and probably none of the band was. And none of the band would have to be darkfriends. Just Talmanes. He just left the part out and he mentions that the Aes Sedai can make Gateways and travel. Thus creating a way to travel without being linked to Demandred. I do admit though I have no idea where the dimonas are.

So if Mat happened to mention in passing to a random soldier, "Oh hey, heard you guys had a bit of trouble in the Damonas" and got the response "What?" the whole scheme would fall on its face. Yep, sounds a lot like Demandred, master tactician, to me.

 

In addition, the Band brought a mapmaker with them who made detailed maps of the entire area that they passed through. And the Band's scouts have marked about every Seanchan encampment from the Malvide Narrows in the Damonas to Mat's current position. (http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/books/kod/ch26.html) Mat then proceeds to go on a guerilla campaign against the Seanchan, and his success suggests that the maps and scouting were accurate.

 

@Office Fan you've obviously read a different book / series - maybe it was in a mirror world.

Based off of what? Because I speculated that maybe they took a gate way? Seriously Some of you guys are a bunch of snobs that need to lighten up a bit. Obviously im an inferior Wheel of Time fan. I mean dude arnt we all in the same boat?

[Val Mickey]

Take it easy, officefan. Your idea may have merit when looked at from a different perspective, but the majority out here disagrees with you.

 

If Talmanes made that gateway, and Mat doesn't talk to the soldiers, there are still the nobles - Edorion and co. - a lot of them Tairen - who would just freak out if they saw Talmanes channeling, or at the very least tell Mat about their journey to Altara. And for Talmandred to successfully dupe Daerid, and other Cairhienin, who have known Talmanes for some time - well let us say it would be very difficult. Not impossible, but very improbable. And we have the author's quote saying Demandred's alias has never appeared on screen.

[Ozzie_aiel]

Talmanes is uncomfortable with Aes Sedai coz he is poop-scared of them

[Ozzie_aiel]

Oh, and he can channel

[Sharaman]

Based off of what? Because I speculated that maybe they took a gate way? Seriously Some of you guys are a bunch of snobs that need to lighten up a bit. Obviously im an inferior Wheel of Time fan. I mean dude arnt we all in the same boat?

 

No, because you failed to see the extreme unlikeliness of that speculation, or you didn't read KoD.

Mat isn't alone - he has Redarms, Vanin, AS, Thom, Juilin, Noal, Domon, etc, all with him - they've travelled together from Ebou Dar. They all have mates in the Band and some of them are very good at getting info and do it both for entertainment and a living.

The only way to conceal the band having used a Gateway would be to swear them to silence, and to brief them with a believable story of landslides in the Dimonas (and to create a landslide, etc. so scouts don't see a clear pass). Plus the maps Roidelle made, etc.

[FainsLeftFoot]

Office fan. First off I too appreciate that show. Secondly I also like your theory. Sure some folks argue it to death with a lot of WOT mumbo jumbo and facts some of us overlook but I think your theory has gotten some good feedback so well done! Also there is something suspicious about Talamenes we all can agree to that?

 

 

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[didymos]

Also there is something suspicious about Talamenes we all can agree to that?

 

Um, no. What's the guy done to actually warrant suspicion? Be competent? Remain loyal to Mat?

[didymos]

And Talmanes just kind of runs into Mat at the end of KoD. Seems suspect to me. How could he have possibly found Mat in the middle of Now where.

 

Same way he ran into Mat in the middle of a battle for Cairhien, which meeting started the whole Band Of The Red Hand off in the first place: ta'veren pull. He even tells Egwene he can feel that Mat is going to need him soon before he and the Band head back into Murandy, which results in the acquisition of a very useful and ultimately battle-winning piece of technology and eventually leads to the Band moving into northern Altara where he runs into Mat just before it turns out that...shocker...Mat needs him (and an army).

[jdbond]

Imagine how angry these people would be (you know the theory creating type), when their theories get squashed in actual books;). Jeez, just because you believe it doesn't make it true. Weirder your theories are, more evidence you would need to back it up. You cannot back up your theories by guesswork and could and would.

 

P.S: I believe that Bella is Creator hiding in plain sight as horsie.

[Naffy]

Talmanes is actually Thom's nephew Owayn, who escaped after being gentled. He was taken in barely alive by a sa'sara dancer who nurtured him back to health. It is clearly obvious that he is a hero in this story becasuse his name starts with "Tal" (Tallanvor, anyone?)? It is clear that when Nynaeve goes to the tower of Ghenjei to chase after her true love Valan Luca, she we find that Talamnes went instead of Luca and will proceed to heal his severing. Moiraine will then bring Talmanes out of the Tower of Ghenjei to Thom, and they will live happily ever after. So no, Talmanes is not Demandred.

[Xader]

I'm telling you, Demandred is Olver. The love of bosoms and well-formed nose are dead giveaways.

 

 

In that case, call me Demandred!

[FainsLeftFoot]

Talmanes is actually Thom's nephew Owayn, who escaped after being gentled. He was taken in barely alive by a sa'sara dancer who nurtured him back to health. It is clearly obvious that he is a hero in this story becasuse his name starts with "Tal" (Tallanvor, anyone?)? It is clear that when Nynaeve goes to the tower of Ghenjei to chase after her true love Valan Luca, she we find that Talamnes went instead of Luca and will proceed to heal his severing. Moiraine will then bring Talmanes out of the Tower of Ghenjei to Thom, and they will live happily ever after. So no, Talmanes is not Demandred.

See! Suspicious! I rest my case.

[office fan]

@Sharaman

First off, I would like to apologize for calling you a snob. I posted that shortly after reading it, and just shouldnt have posted it. Also I feel like I should clear up my Gateway theory. What I was trying to say was, they took a Gateway from Murandy to Altara. I wasn't saying that the Band didn't pass through the Dimones or the Landslide thing didnt happen when they were looking for Mat. I was just sayin Talmanes would have left the part out about the gateway. And if Mat found out about it he would have said oh yeah we took a gateway to Altara. Thus not having to swear anyone to secrecy. I don't think that they took a Gateway to get to Altara any longer because like I posted earlier. I didn't realize where Murandy was, I thought that it was further north.

 

 

@FainsLeftFoot

Yeah, its a good show though not as good as it used to be in my opinion. I think its starting to lose some steam. Anyhow,I appreciate your post, thanks for the confidence boost.

 

 

@jdbond

To your first sentence, I didnt lose my cool because people "squashed" my theory. I was upset because someone intimated that I had been reading the wrong series of books. which I took offense to for a couple different reasons. Also I felt that some people went out of there way to sound a little harsher than needed to. But I'm over it. and found some posts funny myself. Also I most certainly can and will back my theories up with guesswork and coulds and woulds. When I first made this thread I didnt expect people to go "By Joe you've got it!" I just wanted to give something to chew on. I also wanted to see what people thought of it.

 

And Finally @ didymos, I think the way that Mat met Talmanes is a little different. Telmanes Was already where Mat was in the middle of a huge battle. The point I was trying to make was that he found Mat in the middle of nowhere. Telmanes, I dont think could just point in Mat's direction. like Perrin or Mat could at Rand. Being that was a case of Greater ta'veren pulling on lesser ta'veren. So how would he know what direction to go to find Mat in the middle of nowhere.

 

Apologies for the format that I made this post under. I couldn't figure out the MutiQuote.

[office fan]

Also there is something suspicious about Talamenes we all can agree to that?

 

Um, no. What's the guy done to actually warrant suspicion? Be competent? Remain loyal to Mat?

The whole Roedran connection isn't suspect? Being competent automatically means good guy? And for the loyal to Mat question, I point again to the Roedran situation.

[office fan]

Take it easy, officefan. Your idea may have merit when looked at from a different perspective, but the majority out here disagrees with you.

 

If Talmanes made that gateway, and Mat doesn't talk to the soldiers, there are still the nobles - Edorion and co. - a lot of them Tairen - who would just freak out if they saw Talmanes channeling, or at the very least tell Mat about their journey to Altara. And for Talmandred to successfully dupe Daerid, and other Cairhienin, who have known Talmanes for some time - well let us say it would be very difficult. Not impossible, but very improbable. And we have the author's quote saying Demandred's alias has never appeared on screen.

Thanks, Your post helped put things into perspective for me.

[Durinax]

Also there is something suspicious about Talamenes we all can agree to that?

 

Um, no. What's the guy done to actually warrant suspicion? Be competent? Remain loyal to Mat?

The whole Roedran connection isn't suspect? Being competent automatically means good guy? And for the loyal to Mat question, I point again to the Roedran situation.

the rhoedran thing was a work commission which the band needed because with mat away they had virtually no income but still ahd to pay wages so they had to do something to get cash, and they basically are a merc group

[Hybrid]

Re: Why the Band worked for Roedran.

 

Mat ordered Talmanes to shadow the Salidar Aes Sedai in case Egwene had second thoughts. Talmanes did so until it became infeasible (as an aside, I loved the exchange between Egwene and Talmanes). At that point, he needed a "layover" job until Mat could return. As Durinax pointed out, the Band needed gold. Equally as importantly, it couldn't go off fighting on the other side of the world without its commanding officer. The job with Roedran was the perfect balance of low risk and high reward, since Roedran merely used them to intimidate the nobles instead of actual fighting. I find that to be a major point in Talmanes's favor as a good guy, since he kept the Band together, trained, and supported until Mat's return.

 

Frankly, I find Talmanes to be one of the best good guys in the entire series. He's loyal, he has no real ambition above his position, and he's competent.