Talmanes is Demandred! (Soylent Green is people!)

[office fan]

Ive believed for sometime that Talmanes Is Demandred. In Gathering Storm Demandred is said to have been gathering an army. So that has to mean that he is a charatcer that is in command of an army. So it has to be a Character that we have met. I dont believe we have had a Talmanes POV. Not sure but I believe back in Lord of Choas. Talmanes Acts wired when they where talking about About Aes Sedai and the one power. Basicly he trys to avoid the conversation. Also I believe He was behind The assaination attempt on Mat by the Aiel at the camp of the Band of the Red Hand in LoC. Furthermore I Believe that Talmanes sent Nerim, even insists that Nerim goes with mat as his hand servent to spy on Mat. At the very least Talmanes is a dark friend. But I belieive He is Demandred. What chew think?

[Sid]

I'm almost positive at some point between when CoT and KoD came out that RJ said we hadn't seen Demandred's alter-ego on screen in the books yet. Talmanes has been around since TFOH and in all but two books since.

 

Personally, I would be very surprised if Talmanes were a Darkfriend. We don't have a PoV from him to completely disprove it, but his actions just don't seem to indicate that he is. He basically helps build the band of the red hand into a much more powerful fighting force, and gives the control of it to Mat. Being nervous about talking about Aes Sedai is certainly nothing unusual about any man in Randland.

[Durinax]

I cant see talmanes being demandred or a proxy of demandred. Roedran is a much better candidate and he has just consolidated a fresh army

[threadnecromancer]

I have believed that Roedran is Demandred's alter-ego since Knife of Dreams. On the other hand I kind of like the idea of a southern ruler who is not either Rand's puppet or Fortuona's (except I suppose for the king of Arad Doman assuming that he is still alive).

[Wheel of Thyme]

<Friendly laughter> I posed this question in another thread, a while back, but more in jest than anything else. One of the main drawbacks to Talmanes being Demandred is that Matrim Cuathon is ALIVE; any good (?) Forsaken would have killed him first chance he got.

[office fan]

I'm almost positive at some point between when CoT and KoD came out that RJ said we hadn't seen Demandred's alter-ego on screen in the books yet. Talmanes has been around since TFOH and in all but two books since.

 

Personally, I would be very surprised if Talmanes were a Darkfriend. We don't have a PoV from him to completely disprove it, but his actions just don't seem to indicate that he is. He basically helps build the band of the red hand into a much more powerful fighting force, and gives the control of it to Mat. Being nervous about talking about Aes Sedai is certainly nothing unusual about any man in Randland.

I realize that it is not unusual for someone to act nervous when talking about Aes Sedai in Randland. But this was different. Trust me, it was like RJ was hinting at something in this scene. If you get the chance go back and read through that part again. Sorry but I can't tell you exactly where it is. But its in LoC. One of Mat's POV's Probably about half way through the book. And about the Red Hand being mat's army. Talmanes isn't going to Say No Mat this is my army. No. He is going play his part until it is time to stab Mat in the back. He is already Second in command. The men are going to follow his orders. And Talmanes just kind of runs into Mat at the end of KoD. Seems suspect to me. How could he have possibly found Mat in the middle of Now where.

[office fan]

<Friendly laughter> I posed this question in another thread, a while back, but more in jest than anything else. One of the main drawbacks to Talmanes being Demandred is that Matrim Cuathon is ALIVE; any good (?) Forsaken would have killed him first chance he got.

Yes this is a very strong point. Perhaps its just convenient for him to let Mat be. He can kind of hide in plain sight behinde Mat. We dont know Really any of the forsakens motives yet. Anyway this is a strong point, But it can be got around.

[Elend]

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Can't be. We've seen Olver and Talmanes in the same place and we all know Olvendred is truth.

 

On a less trollish note, Talmanes as Demandred is entirely possible (excluding certain RJ quotes), but I don't think it really matches his personality that well. Demandred never struck me as one to subordinate himself to anyone, much less one of Lews Therin Reborn's most trusted men.

[Sid]

KoD chapter 3 Moridin shows all the remaining Forsaken the images of Mat and Perrin. He says KILL THESE TWO! Later Talmanes meets up with Mat. Ample opportunity to kill Mat, especially in the chaos of Hinderstap. Is he Biding his Time?

 

Also, Talmanes takes part in many battles in Mat's campaign in Altara, leading the horse. He's in the thick of things in the battle of Cairhien. Demandred was a great general but in "With the Choeden Kal" he thinks 'But Generals shouldn't have to fight alongside the men they commanded!'

 

Plus, the physical differences are too great to pull off an illusion with Mat directly touching him, clapping him on the shoulder and such.

 

Demandred says 'his rule is secure'. Talmanes is currently second in command of a portion of a wandering army.

 

All that in addition to ignoring

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name=Crossroads of Twilight book tour 16 January 2003, Dayton OH - Michael Martin reporting]

 

 

Q: Have we yet seen the alter-ego Demandred presents to the Third-Agers on-screen?

 

A: NO. (I asked twice to make sure.)

[office fan]

I dont think he has bent his neck too much. Talmanes seems like a pretty arrogant character. And remember Lanfear disguised as that ugly lady in Shadow Rising?

[office fan]

Hmm. Nice research Sid. I can see there no swaying you. But likwise I am not swayed. Honestly I think we are about to find out who Demandred is in Tower of Midnight. But mark me Talmanes is a bad man.

[Elend]

I dont think he has bent his neck too much. Talmanes seems like a pretty arrogant character. And remember Lanfear disguised as that ugly lady in Shadow Rising?

 

Lanfear never really subordinated herself to anyone, though. On top of that, while her motivations for joining the Shadow are similar to Demandred's, they aren't entirely the same. Demandred's motivation involved being number one in pretty much everything- he had to beat Lews Therin. Lanfear's certainly involved an element of being acknowledged by people, but it was less extreme and seems heavily based in a wish to get Lews Therin to see her a certain way.

 

So I have a hard time seeing Demandred, in any way, subordinate himself to a close adviser to Lews Therin's reincarnation. He has no issue with manipulating people in those positions, but actually do it? No. He also implies that he is ruling a nation of some sort with his "My rule is secure" statement. Running the Band doesn't imply a rule, and its certainly not secure. We've never had an indication that the Band is disloyal to Mat like we've had with the Asha'man. Roedran actually makes much more sense, IMO.

[jdbond]

Talmanes doesn't control Mat's army. Talmanes comes from place where One Power is looked down upon.

 

I have a theory too. Of all the people introduced in WOT, one of them is Demandred. I am quite sure.

 

P.S: Give people free time and some one will come up with a theory about Setalle Anan being the DO.

[jdbond]

Hmm. Nice research Sid. I can see there no swaying you. But likwise I am not swayed. Honestly I think we are about to find out who Demandred is in Tower of Midnight. But mark me Talmanes is a bad man.

 

 

Mark my word, TOM will be released on Nov. 2.

[Sid]

Hmm. Nice research Sid. I can see there no swaying you. But likwise I am not swayed. Honestly I think we are about to find out who Demandred is in Tower of Midnight. But mark me Talmanes is a bad man.

 

 

Mark my word, TOM will be released on Nov. 2.

I guess we'll find out for sure on Nov. 2. Or Spring 2012

[Val Mickey]

I can just see Talmanes and Roedran making their deal in Murandy.

 

Talmanes : I'm Demandred!

 

Roedran : No! I'm Demandred! You're Dragonsworn!

 

Talmanes : I'm not Dragonsworn! Band of the 'Red' Hand? Red, as in Demandred?!

 

Roedran : I'm Demandred! Roedran do Murandy is an anagram of Demandred!

 

Talmanes : No it isn't! And my sigil is a black fox! Black!

 

Roedran : I see you won't be swayed. We'll find out in November. Or the Spring after that. In the meanwhile, I'll read this book so that I become a great general. Like Demandred.

[trashbird1240]

P.S: Give people free time and some one will come up with a theory about Setalle Anan being the DO.

 

You must be joking: she's obviously Aginor. Everybody knows that.

[trashbird1240]

I'm almost positive at some point between when CoT and KoD came out that RJ said we hadn't seen Demandred's alter-ego on screen in the books yet. Talmanes has been around since TFOH and in all but two books since.

 

Okay, then that doesn't rule out my alternative, which is that Demandred is a lesser Tairen lord. My other guess was Talmanes but if it came from RJ then it's true (and no, I'm not joking, that policy was in place for a quite a while on rasfrj).

[OptimusPrime]

Wieramon is Demandred.

 

Oh no sorry the RJ comment sorry. Erm...

 

Masema is Demandred! Oh no sorry we had a PoV in TGS. And the RJ comment.

 

Faile is Demandred! Oh no the RJ comment.

 

Rhuarc! Bashere! Agemlar! RJ!

 

Okay okay stop with the jokes now Demandred is clearly Daved Hanlon. Also, remember that this isnt true.... because of what RJ said.

 

Demandred doesnt even need an alter ego to make a nation gather for war. He could just stand behind people, invisible via bent light, Compelling people when they dont even know it.

 

Or he could be Abel Cauthon if it wasnt for the RJ comment.

[Elend]

I'm telling you, Demandred is Olver. The love of bosoms and well-formed nose are dead giveaways.

[yoniy0]

@office fan One of the problems in that is that Demandred was supposed to keep an eye on Rand (as per the Forsaken tea party in KoD). Talmanes is with the Band from TFoH.

 

Rhuarc! Bashere! Agemlar! RJ!

Hmm, RJ as Demandred. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

[ghoullio]

Demandred is somewhere in that huge mass of gathered Children of the Light we saw in Galad's POV. In LoC, Sammael tells Graendal tha the knows Demandred is working to the south and they are in Arad Doman at the time, which means he is either a part of the rabble that has been rioting since TGH or he is a part of the Children of the Light. My money is on the organized professional and well prepared Aes Sedai hating army that is marching towards war...

[Durinax]

he has likely been using the High Inquisitor as a proxy since the start. but i dont think thats all he has been up too, I think he has been busy preppign king Roedran to unite his land and have a large standing army ready for TG

[office fan]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

[Sharaman]

Okay, so say that Telmanes is not Demandred. I'm not say'n that he is'nt. But ok, I still think that Talmanes is a darkfriend and one of Demandred's cronies. Remember he is connected with King Roedran. I think Demandred was the one that made a Gateway for the band to reconnect with Mat in KoD. One way or the other I will be Proven right. MooWahahahaha!

 

Nobody made a Gateway for the Band to reconnect with Mat in KoD.