[DPR Mafia] Suras 4 - Mafia wins!

[Alys Kinch]

Crap. Had a post that didn't send an hour ago, thanks to replies.

 

I'll vote Alys right now because, of the people with votes, she is the one that most strikes me as being a bit off.

Calling BS now. That's actually what you call a bandwagon vote. Thanks. It's only off because you saw three quotes of it.

 

From the top now. Wombat, I assume was about a reaction.

 

We can’t just use those for info because that leads to the town playing more blindly than they already are.

You say that's interesting? What info do you know that I don't? There isn't a whole lot that makes a ton of sense. There's some speculation, but... We are flying blind. We have finders galore... with only one find per game. And we can't guarantee they aren't finding the same people. And they really can't share much info, can they? Typical "Danger, Danger, Will Robinson!" calls should be going out on this one. And I agree.

 

Again, without info, we are blind. Day one had no lynch therefore no info. Night one had an inactive hit. No info. All we have is story line. And a few reveals that may or may not be accurate, but none of which really have info other than that there is a faction called the Captains to add to our Beva, Bova mess.

 

So, what's your info?

[Alys Kinch]

Oh, and to reiterate the flying blind point (*cough* typical day 2 feeling *coughcough*), I didn't use my goodies last night just as I said we shouldn't. Not enough info to waste the tools now.

[Talya]

I think they were getting at you, because you said 'they' instead of 'us' and they think it was a freudian slip...

 

amazing how quick people jumped on though!

[Barmacral]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Vote: Alys[/glow]

 

Alys helped push for the no-lynch yesterday, and is pushing for it again today. And yet, these no-lynches afford us basically no information, as Alys said, so why is she continuing to choose the no-information route? I think she's trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

[Al Jenn Mael]

My viewing result was "Captain".  :-\

 

Hmm, then with what information I got last night that must be the third 'faction' or the 1/3 nuetral players. I'm curious what the nuetral players win condition is... since DPR said there is only the one.

 

Anyone find scum last night?

[Hybrid]

I think they were getting at you, because you said 'they' instead of 'us' and they think it was a freudian slip...

Yeah.  Wombat saw it first, but I added the underlining to make it stand out more.

[JenLenaMom]

And what did you get Al Jenn? Just tell us the what not the who.

[mmeeshal]

My viewing result was "Captain".  :-\

 

Hmm, then with what information I got last night that must be the third 'faction' or the 1/3 nuetral players. I'm curious what the nuetral players win condition is... since DPR said there is only the one.

 

Anyone find scum last night?

Just to clarify, because I just wasn't sure what you meant, are you saying you think "Captain" is representative of the third faction or neutral group, or are you saying that the information you got last night is representative of the third faction or neutral group?

[Al Jenn Mael]

Bah...

 

Edit: For our cop abilities how do we keep from duplicity checking if we don't say who we found innocent or captain. Also if someone does find scum should they VK them that night or tell us so we can lynch them?

 

 

Edit for Meesha:

 

Lena got a viewing result for 'Captain' which I believe to be the nuetral (Third) faction. I believe this since that isn't what I got last night.

[Hybrid]

My viewing result was "Captain".  :-\

 

Hmm, then with what information I got last night that must be the third 'faction' or the 1/3 nuetral players. I'm curious what the nuetral players win condition is... since DPR said there is only the one.

I'm thinking that the viewing result gives the 'faction' which is not the same as the alignment, as has been suggested.  Either way, it sounds like we're not going to get a clear-cut 'mafia' result from viewings.

[mmeeshal]

I like what Hybrid said, that seems to me to be probably the case.

 

From what Al Jenn said it sounded like he got some sort of town reading on whoever he viewed, but he didn't get Captain, which is what JLM got, but Captain does not necessarily mean "not town."

 

I agree with JLM: Al Jenn, what exactly did your results say, if not "Captain?"  That might help us figure it out a little more, what kind of results the viewings are giving.

[JenLenaMom]

I didn't get results until the morning so there's no way to vig the same night, unless you meant the next night, but why waste your kill unless you can't get the group to get behind the lynch.

 

Will you tell us what your result was Al Jenn?

 

ETA: Yes what Meesh said, lol.

[Hybrid]

Referring to the town as "they" is not really enough for me to go on.  But when you add it up with this:

 

Again, without info, we are blind. Day one had no lynch therefore no info. Night one had an inactive hit. No info. All we have is story line. And a few reveals that may or may not be accurate, but none of which really have info other than that there is a faction called the Captains to add to our Beva, Bova mess.

Then why vote no lynch again?  As Barm pointed out, your actions don't agree with your words:

 

Speaking of flying blind... Heh. I'm going [glow=red,2,300]no lynch[/glow] until I see something I can latch onto. Not much real action going on since I think a great deal of yesterday was nonsense.

So you talk about how critical it is to get information and how no lynches yield no information.  And then you go with no lynch -- which everyone happily jumped on yesterday -- instead of trying to test someone's reaction or case yesterday's behavior (however little there is) or even go with a gut feeling, all of which would at least yield information.  Now this feels like the sort of "unnatural" play associated with the mafia.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote, vote Alys[/glow]

[Alys Kinch]

I think they were getting at you, because you said 'they' instead of 'us' and they think it was a freudian slip...

 

amazing how quick people jumped on though!

??? Speaking in third person, as I was and often do… You use they for plural, not we or us.

 

Alys helped push for the no-lynch yesterday, and is pushing for it again today.

No I didn’t, no, I’m not. I said I would have because I agree with it, but I never asked or pushed for anyone to go with it. There was a bandwagon before I voted. And today, I think we need to be moving, but I voted no lynch as we don’t have info and are still waiting for everyone to trickle in. We are supposed to have a vote each day, correct? So I needed to vote something. Would you prefer me vote a no merit case?

 

Edit to add:

instead of trying to test someone's reaction or case yesterday's behavior (however little there is) or even go with a gut feeling,

The first I don’t do. Ever.

The second, again, nonsense.

The third, I want more info before I do.

For those that don’t know me, if I must vote and I don’t have enough info, I throw my vote away. Otherwise, I don’t vote. I don’t like killing people because it’s what the crowd is doing. It’s stupid. Like I said in the first post, which was cut out (conveniently) no lynch is a preference thing that should be avoided if we have info. We don’t, so not really a words vs action thing. But enjoy killing me.

 

[Alys Kinch]

As far as views go, it would make sense for them to be Beva, Bova, Captains, assuming that's not just pulled from thin air.

[JenLenaMom]

So I wasn't expecting this answer but...I asked DPR to clarify what "Captain" means. It is an alignment or Faction.

 

So..what we do with that info I have no idea.

[Alys Kinch]

It's politics, makes more sense for it not to be innocents and evils and symps. It's more like liberal, conservative, independant.

[JenLenaMom]

But is this a person we want to lynch or a person we should keep alive?

[Pookie]

Bela did have two posts.  The first was "checking in" (just those two words) and the second was in response to Pandy asking who her scumbuddies were.

 

My scumbuddies? I know one of them is you *pokes*  :P

 

Not that I think her posts mean anything at all, just that she wasn't entirely silent day 1.  Pete, Verbal, Danya, Al Jenn, Rey, and Aust, however, were.  We've seen all but Rey and Aust thus far in day 2.  So someone thought that Bela herself would give less info than someone who didn't post at all.

 

Wes said that there would be some town, some mafia, and some undecided, to use the non-political terms.  So I'd think the readings would be town/beva, mafia/bova, or undecided/captain.  My guess is that Al Jenn got a town/beva reading since he said specifically town and "captain" seems pretty neutral due to everyone in the game being a captain.  I think those who read captain are essentially unalligned, but it's hard to tell without knowing their win condition what should be done with them.  It could be as simple as "vote for the candidate that wins" but with the 10 amber glass folks I'm doubting it's that simple.

[mmeeshal]

This game sucks. :D  You get a viewing of someone, and you don't even know for sure if they're a good guy or not! :D

 

I think that faction is probably not indicative of "town" or "mafia" alignment.  As has been suggested before, there are probably mafia sprinkled about among each faction.

 

If I'm wrong, and one faction is actually a mafia faction, then... I think a Captain is someone we should keep alive.

 

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First of all, I really don't think we can say for sure that Beva is Town, and Bova is mafia.  Where's the proof of that?  Also, Captain does not mean unaligned, I can tell you that.

[Barmacral]

Keep in mind, anyone can vote for either candidate, no matter their starting alignment.

[Tigraine]

wow, that was a lot of reading for so few pages!  

 

JLM- DPR's answer was "alignment or faction"?  

 

I really don't think that using they instead of we is a mistake that alys would make if she were scum.  I'm not saying she isn't scum, just that this slip doesn't do the convincing for me.

 

I understand the use of the no lynch on day 1 although I always, ALWAYS argue against it but I don't think it is a good option for today.

 

As far as the mafia using all of their VKs in one night, I didn't think that would be very productive for them in the long run.  Sure it would have helped out their numbers but it would have narrowed our suspect list down too much for them to gain much.  In my opinion they will save those for later on after finding out which player are less active and which players are more proactive.  Plus I think they will pick players that are more influential.

 

I'm really not sure who to vote for at the moment and I don't want to throw my vote around when the player with the most votes is lynched.  I also don't want to vote no lynch after stating that I didn't want a no lynch.  I'll be around for a while and will hopefully have more info so that I can place a vote.

 

 

Edit for Meesh's post:  I'm not sure that if one certain faction is mafia if we'd choose to keep the captains around.  Riasa (sp?) seemed to want her's gone pretty bad.

[Alys Kinch]

Oh. My thoughts based on story line that the Captains are the manipulators and the beva are the minister's men while the bova are the challenger's men. So we want Beva, we need to figure out Bova and Captains, right?

 

I declare myself Bova Perrada. I will challenge the Minister’s reign,

 

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First of all, I really don't think we can say for sure that Beva is Town, and Bova is mafia.  Where's the proof of that?  Also, Captain does not mean unaligned, I can tell you that.

Based on?? I kinda see where captains come from, but more like they are manipulators rather than unaligned. But the rest, what's your angle on that?

[LilyElizabeth]

I got a different result last night. Mine said Bonda Perrada. This is what Wes said about that:

 

"Bonda Perrada is a new term to Suras, (or, to my knowledge, anywehere else) and is the name given to those that support a leader who will attempt to overthrow the ruling Minister. This leader is known as the Bova Perrada. "

 

So, on that info [glow=red,2,300]Vote Adella[/glow]

 

 

[Barmacral]

Lily, why didn't you reveal this when day first started? You certainly posted then.