[Standard] Wombat's Hamlet Mafia (GAME OVER - mafia wins)

[WWWwombat]

With 12 alive, 7 is a majority:

 

Deadline: Wednesday, June 23rd, 8:00 PM EDT

If you do not reach a majority by the deadline, or a majority of you vote for no lynch, then there will be no lynch.

 

Verbal(1): Aemon

Aemon(2): Aust, Lavinya

Lavinya(4):  Alanna Jr, Verbal, Lord of 13, Tigraine

Alanna Jr.(1): Talya

Talya(1):  Amadine

No Lynch(1): Lily

 

Not voting:  Liathiana, mottlee

[LilyElizabeth]

We're back! Now, what was going on in this game again? lol

[WWWwombat]

With 12 alive, 7 is a majority:

 

Deadline: Monday, June 28th, 8:00 PM EDT

If you do not reach a majority by the deadline, or a majority of you vote for no lynch, then there will be no lynch.

 

Verbal(1): Aemon

Aemon(2): Aust, Lavinya

Lavinya(4):  Alanna Jr, Verbal, Lord of 13, Tigraine

Alanna Jr.(1): Talya

Talya(1):  Amadine

No Lynch(1): Lily

 

Not voting:  Liathiana, mottlee

[Verbal32]

Lavi, my only concern at this point is that usually only scum push for a no lynch. It gives them a free nk. But I'm going to go with you this time. I like to try new things in mafia and see how they work.

[glow=red,2,300]

Unvote

Vote no lynch[/glow]

 

:o  Ahhh!

 

So, yeah.  I'm not a big fan of no lynch votes, as I agree with Talya's reasoning on it.

 

Lav, I was voting you out of self-preservation based on the fact that I didn't want to get lynched.  Aemon actually explained my vote quite well, which brings me to my point here.

 

Aemon, you offer a solid explanation for my vote on Lav (which was correct, btw), but why again did you vote me?  If my vote was solid, then what exactly did I do to garner your vote?  Hmm?

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

 

Vote Aemon[/glow]

[Lavinya]

I think it is narrowminded to say that only scum push for no lynch. In my opinion, it would work more in the mafia's favour if there is an innocent lynch day 1 (and yep, they know who is innocent and who isn't, remember?), and then another death at night. The more certain we are of lynching scum the better. Voting randomly on day one = an innocent death 9 times out of 10. So I say it's scummier to push for a random bandwagon day one. Why it's become 'the done thing' - mafia always do this, only innocents do that is just limiting us. Mafia is constantly changing and evolving. Mafia do things different to hide. If mafia are always supposed to push for a no lynch, I guarantee that any mafia member that's played a few games will deliberately go for the different tack. Don't paint yourselves into corners by thinking only mafia would do a certain thing. It only helps the mafia to hold to those stereotypes.

 

*steps of the soap box*

 

Verbal, I must admit I'm a little confused. Why was voting for me going to save you from being lynched?

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't think mafia ALWAYS push for a no lynch. I'm just not sure how garnering no info helps the town. But I'll try it and see. You've been playing a long time, and I need to stash the ego and learn from the more experienced players. If it doesn't work, then I've learned something. If it does, then I've learned something and we're in a better position.

 

I NEVER get called narrowminded. That made me chuckle.  ;D

 

[Amadine]

OKay i will need a re-read on this now! But my net is all back to normal so i will be back later with some proper thoughts on the game.

[Talya]

Lav, I don't know if you have been playing a long time as Lily says, but i have hardly ever played with you. But the one thing you lose on having a no lynch on day one is information, information that mey not seem important now, but is later on. there are circumstances where a no lynch is useful, and has been used before. I have seen it used on day one, and it got us nothing! Day 2 was back to square one.  The reason mafia like it is because they don't have to vote for someone and later that vote used against them. There have been a few things going on on this day so it is not total randomness. This isn't a random lynch going on, it's people thinking they see something in things that have been done so far.

 

I find it interesting that you advocate a No Lynch but don't do it yourself. That if anything is more scummy to me than mentioning a no lynch! It sounds like you are trying to test the water to see what reaction you get.

 

 

I was going to change my vote before DM went down and I can't remember what it was too!

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote, vote Aemon[/glow]

[WWWwombat]

With 12 alive, 7 is a majority:

 

Deadline: Monday, June 28th, 8:00 PM EDT

If you do not reach a majority by the deadline, or a majority of you vote for no lynch, then there will be no lynch.

 

Verbal(1): Aemon

Aemon(4): Aust, Lavinya, Verbal, Talya

Lavinya(3):  Alanna Jr, Lord of 13, Tigraine

Talya(1):  Amadine

No Lynch(1): Lily

 

Not voting:  Liathiana, mottlee

[Lavinya]

Ahh. I'm advocating for no lynch over a random.org style lynch that us based on nothing much. Yes, lynches garner information, and I would never support a no lynch after day one, I imagine. However, you can get about as much information from a dead random innocent as you can with no lynch and not losing anyone during the day one phase.

 

Frankly, I hate random voting. And yep, we have a free pass thanks to the set up. So random voting just to have a vote in is pointless and potentially very detrimental to the town. Mafia know who they are - do you think they would willingly help bandwagon one of their own, day one? Or do you think they'd attack an innocent? I thought Aemon actually appeared more scummy than anything else had demonstrated so far. If you are pretty sure you've found scum, NOT voting them is practically a crime. NOT voting on a random bandwagon when you have a good feeling it could be a wasted innocent life could hardly be considered scummy.

 

Having DM down for a few days has severely messed with the flow though. I can't remember all the reasons I thought Aemon looked evil, but there was more evidence there than anywhere else. I may yet change my mind - I'm not scared of doing that either :)

[Amadine]

Well, my re-read gave me very little information to go on *groans*

 

So far i am feeling that Aemon is suspicious, but Aemon often plays this way - gets lynched and flips innocent. Lavinya i have not played with before (*mwah* *snuggles Lavilove*) and i wonder if she is too calm? There's an awful lot of talk going on and not much else. And of course Verb and Lily always look scummy to me. *rocks in the foetal position in the corner trying to figure out who is scum* LOL

 

[LilyElizabeth]

*pulls hair out* WHY does everyone keep saying that? I seem to constantly be fighting for my life lately (not this game - just venting) because I "look scummy" with no further explanation. If any of you want to be a friend and explain this to me, I would love you forever. I think it may be because I played non-town roles so much that I approach town the same way now, but I could use some concrete data here. I clearly no longer know how to appear town, even when I am. Frustrating!

 

/vent, and thanks for listening.

[Amadine]

Oh sweet *hugs* you always appear scummy because you are so often scum! You have a no-holds-barred style of play which can be interpreted as scummy. I have had this thrown on me lately also as i try to be more forward in my games. It's just a fact of the game i think. The more vocal one is the more information that can be used to make one appear as scum. And that is why 99% of noobs are so quiet methinks.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'd be lynched faster than my dog can down a piece of bacon if I was quiet...lol.

 

[Talya]

The fact that you so easily jumped on the no vote lynch after Lav mentioned it, actually looks slightly suspicious to me. I won't actually make a vote unless I have a good reason, yours seemed to be after some thing Lav said and that would give it a go.

 

Lave, you misunderstand, I have seen a no lynch used at the end of the game which gave the townies an extra day, so it can be used very effectively. I have yet to see it used for day 1. You'd be surprised that looking at who voted for who and what was said later on in a game can give invaluable information. You use it to expand on your suspicions. having a no lynch doesn't gives us much, because it means that not only the Mafia are going to be lazy but so are the town.

 

However some ways to get people to vote can produce random lynch bandwagons way too quickly. I personally like the one where you don't reach a majourity then random.org choose from everyone, lol ;D

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm with you on that, Talya. I like to vote carefully. I thought I'd try something new and see how it went. I can always learn something, right? Nobody, least of all me, ever knows it all.

 

Losing all those days with DM down, we are all trying to remember what we were thinking. I think that if we get close to lynching Aemon, I could jump back on that lynch. I just wish I could tell if it's his aggressive playing or if he really seems scummy. There is always one player who always seems scummy. I think it's Aemon's turn. *sigh*

 

[Talya]

I think we are always trying something new, doesn't mean others won't find it scummy thought :D ;)

 

But I know what you mean, I think I had all this post written out and I had done the voting but DM went down. And now I can't remember what I thought, so I have gone back to my suspisions of Aemon. It could be him I did vote for, it's so annoying, lol

[LilyElizabeth]

I think we are always trying something new

 

Here at DM we are. I love this place for that. I'm going to rock that other place with a Lily game. They won't know what to do. They survived a DPR game, barely.  ;)

Pete's up next.  ;D

[Tigraine]

[glow=red,2,300]UNVOTE [/glow]

 

I can understand how a no lynch might could help later on in the game when things are getting dicey.  I, in no way, can see how a no lynch on DAY 1 could help anything.  We will just keep having day 1 over and over like Groundhog's Day. 

 

Aemon you do kinda always make yourself look scummy so there's not much difference in your playstyle.  However, I do want a lynch and it's getting close to deadline.  If something were to happen before the deadline ie, you reveal, someone else does something, then I will gladly change my vote.  [glow=red,2,300]VOTE AEMON [/glow]

[LilyElizabeth]

Aemon, I still don't know what to think but I think I'd rather see a lynch than no lynch. Sorry, Lavi.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Vote Aemon[/glow]

[WWWwombat]

With 12 alive, 7 is a majority:

 

Deadline: Monday, June 28th, 8:00 PM EDT

If you do not reach a majority by the deadline, or a majority of you vote for no lynch, then there will be no lynch.

 

Verbal(1): Aemon

Aemon(6): Aust, Lavinya, Verbal, Talya, Tigraine, Lily

Lavinya(2):  Alanna Jr, Lord of 13

Talya(1):  Amadine

 

Not voting:  Liathiana, mottlee

[mottlee]

umm ok so confused i've been trying to remember what i was going to post before dm went crazy but can't.

 

anyway [glow=red,2,300]VOTE AEMON [/glow] you seem the most scummy to me at the moment and deadline is almost here.

[aemonkristen]

I'd like to remind you all that Lily was the one to advocate stopping at L-2 to let someone have their say before lynching them. She put me at L-1 and Mottlee came in for the kill. Congratulations guys. You just lynched your healer. The worst part..it was because I didn't want to jump on the Lavi bandwagon.

 

Mottlee- I seem the most scummy because you can't remember anything that was going on before? What kind of logic is that? At least be honest and say that you were just jumping on my bandwagon because you couldn't be bothered to read 13 pages and come up with something real.

 

Tigs- I would gladly have revealed at L-2 had I been given the chance. I just now got back from work.

[LilyElizabeth]

I suggested it. There wasn't much enthusiasm for it. Sorry, Aemon. That sucks for all of us.

[WWWwombat]

DAY ONE FINAL VOTE COUNT (as of June 28th 8 PM EDT):

 

Verbal(1): Aemon

Aemon(6): Aust, Lavinya, Verbal, Talya, Tigraine, Lily

Lavinya(2):  Alanna Jr, Lord of 13

Talya(1):  Amadine

 

Not voting:  Liathiana, mottlee

 

The court squabbled all day, but in the end all that was decided was that the King would send envoys to Fortinbras to sue for peace.  The courtiers retired exhausted and frustrated.

 

A majority was not reached before the deadline.  Therefore, there is no lynch.  Night has fallen.  Night will end on Wednesday, June 30th at 12:00 PM EDT or when all night actions are received.