Shadow over Fiddlesmouth Game Thread [GAME OVER, TOWN WINS]

[Hybrid]

Now we're playing.  :)

 

Introducing the idea that there must be a relic that identifies the Vessel is a thinly disguised way to get poeple to use their relics.

First off, I'm not saying people should start using relics at will.  If you get a strange looking thing with a barrel, do you point it at someone and pull the trigger?  No.  Especially if it has some scary, unpronouncable name, like the "The Grimoire of Branca-Boola" (sorry to steal from you, Kivam  :P).  But if you have a strange looking thing that comes with helpful instructions ("Tells you if the targeted player is the Vessel"), I say use it.  Common sense.

 

I'll just bet you have a nifty way of "revealing" a scum player next, eh?

I do.  Her name is Lavinya.

 

And I thought that the Haunter of the Dark was a relic, not a role.

Possible.  But unless someone was foolish enough to unleash the Haunter of the Dark at the start of the game, who's using this NK relic?  Both innocents and mafia have been hit, and every night since Night 2.  I went with role based on the pattern of kills. 

 

I'm not going to derail a lynch right now, especially since the mafia would seem to want to die. I'm fairly certain that Hybrid has pulled this move now to reveal that he is mafia, and to set hiimself up as a target for anyone with vig powers.

I find this statement highly ironic coming from you in this game. 

 

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But let's backtrack within the same post.  Keep in mind that that last bit from DPR mentions his suspicion that the mafia want to die, and that I'm trying to get myself killed so that the mafia can win with the second win condition.

 

Strike 2 - In a 24 person game, 6 or 7 scum would be appropriate. Trying to lead the game to believe that there are fewer scum than there are is exactly what I was looking for in a mafia move. This is backed up by your desire to kill one more scum.

Earlier, you state that you think that I'm trying to mislead you into thinking there are less scum than normal.  Now, if I was scum, and I and my teammates were going for the suicide option, why would I do that?

[Alys Kinch]

 

Alys, you are leaving the game in a bit of a lurch by shooting down courses of action but not replacing them. What's up with that?

I’ve already stated my opinions on the relics. Be careful what you wish for and DO NOT use anything that sounds like the Shining Trapezahedron . We need them specifically because of the win conditions and what the one I started the game with said. There is no question in my mind.

 

You agree with Quibby. Strike 1. You "guess" that there are 5 scum. Strike 2 - In a 24 person game, 6 or 7 scum would be appropriate.

Actually, that depends on whether the Haunter is a mod thing or if it is someone with a role. It’d be pretty bad if we had 7 plus the Haunter, even with the potential rez factor.

 

PS: Watch tonight. I want to know if my sacrifice theory is correct.

 

And I thought that the Haunter of the Dark was a relic, not a role.

We can only guess, but I doubt relic. Kiv thing or player assigned role.

 

Do I think it's a relic that will do it?  Possibly.

Unless someone offers a better solution to finding the vessel, this remains my assumption as well.

 

Anox, check your PM in box for the quote from Reyler. Not game related, didn’t post here. BCC’d Kivam.

 

I feel like I am missing something.

 

Earlier, you state that you think that I'm trying to mislead you into thinking there are less scum than normal.  Now, if I was scum, and I and my teammates were going for the suicide option, why would I do that?

Something about a vessel that no one knows the status of? A camo'd player just in case...

 

 

[Naeann]

Hybrid?  Can you elaborate on why you think the uncontested finder claim who bagged a mafia is scum?  Are you contesting it?

[DPR]

Oh, dear.  You caught me.  Fair cop, guv.

 

Now that I got the requisite sarcasm out of the way, yes I do advocate trying to find the Vessel.  If we don't, we probably lose.  Do I think it's a relic that will do it?  Possibly.  Do I think- oh, I don't know- using that relic is a bad idea?  Not at all.

 

That being said, I'm pretty sure that every single relic in this game has a price that has to be paid for using it.  That's a common theme in the Cthulhu Mythos.  The one I had had a price on it that I felt was too great to be worth the cost.  Whoever stole it from me thought otherwise, as I know it has been used.  Beside the point, though.  What I'm trying so delicately to say is, I actually think using the relics is a bad idea unless we absolutely have no choice.

 

Wrong again, compadre'.  Here's what I know for sure, and the mod can back it if he feels so inclined: There is no way in hell that Kivam designed a game where specific knowledge of the Cthulhu Mythos is necessary to play it. The theme is window dressing, that is all and that is as it shoud be.

 

The fact that your role in the game has become Cthulhu Historian and Master of Lore has bugged me the whole time, and it's a perfect place for a mafia member to be. It's an angle I would have played myself.

 

Remember campers, this ain't Kivy's first rodeo, and we're playing mafia, not Cthulhu.

 

On to Hybrid...

[Quibby]

Why would you need to know anything about the mythos to play this game?  You don't.  Judging by the relic I had, I'd say that the effects are generally made clear to the player, both positive and negative.  Now, this is going by one relic, and I have not seen any others, so I could very well be wrong on this point.  The relic I did have, though, had consequences in keeping with its use in the Mythos.  Why is it such a stretch to think that that might be the case with the rest?

[Naeann]

Folks, I know I brought some attention away from the relics, but don't be too hasty in using them.

 

Kind of like you did Dpr?

[DPR]

 

I'm not even reading he posts past this one...I'm just shooting down your pathetic defenses. *snorf* I'm in blue.

 

Now we're playing.   :)

 

You bet your sweet behind we are.  ;D

 

Introducing the idea that there must be a relic that identifies the Vessel is a thinly disguised way to get poeple to use their relics.

First off, I'm not saying people should start using relics at will.  If you get a strange looking thing with a barrel, do you point it at someone and pull the trigger?  No.  Especially if it has some scary, unpronouncable name, like the "The Grimoire of Branca-Boola" (sorry to steal from you, Kivam   :P).  But if you have a strange looking thing that comes with helpful instructions ("Tells you if the targeted player is the Vessel"), I say use it.  Common sense.

 

This is crap. Between you abd Quibby, you have definitely been playing a "focus on the relic" game. Next...

 

I'll just bet you have a nifty way of "revealing" a scum player next, eh?

I do.  Her name is Lavinya.

 

Nominated for the "Most Obvious Play Of The Game" award...Hybrid! And we're gonna trust you - really - because you've been so helpful all game. :P  As a general rule, only scum pops up like you have after I've rattled your cage. And you are rattled, aren't you.  8)

 

And I thought that the Haunter of the Dark was a relic, not a role.

Possible.  But unless someone was foolish enough to unleash the Haunter of the Dark at the start of the game, who's using this NK relic?  Both innocents and mafia have been hit, and every night since Night 2.  I went with role based on the pattern of kills.

 

Means nothing...

 

I'm not going to derail a lynch right now, especially since the mafia would seem to want to die. I'm fairly certain that Hybrid has pulled this move now to reveal that he is mafia, and to set hiimself up as a target for anyone with vig powers.

I find this statement highly ironic coming from you in this game.  

 

Oh really? Care to say why so I can spank you with it?

 

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But let's backtrack within the same post.  Keep in mind that that last bit from DPR mentions his suspicion that the mafia want to die, and that I'm trying to get myself killed so that the mafia can win with the second win condition.

 

Strike 2 - In a 24 person game, 6 or 7 scum would be appropriate. Trying to lead the game to believe that there are fewer scum than there are is exactly what I was looking for in a mafia move. This is backed up by your desire to kill one more scum.

Earlier, you state that you think that I'm trying to mislead you into thinking there are less scum than normal.  Now, if I was scum, and I and my teammates were going for the suicide option, why would I do that?

 

And the biggest scum-tell of all time? Right here! And the answer to your "question" is this; because we won't kill all of your scummy friends. We'll save one, so you can't win. The more confusion you throw onto the game about numbers of scum, be they high or low (low would have been too obvious...) the better your chances are. Sheesh...this ain't my first rodeo either.

[DPR]

Folks, I know I brought some attention away from the relics, but don't be too hasty in using them.

 

Kind of like you did Dpr?

 

I've already covered this - anytime you get a relic on day 1 and the townie count is high, it's worth using it to see if you gain an advantage. Mafai Player Handbook, Pg 67, third paragraph. ;)

[DPR]

 

Alys, I feel like you are waffling. Why?

[Naeann]

Beings as how one of your games is the only other one I've been in with Relic type items and mine was stolen right off the bat, by barm, and I never bothered to try to get that or another one back the whole game then I can't say I have much experience with them.

 

Was it your game that we also had moral dilemma tasks too?  Like "the ship is being attacked.. do you use this distraction to go down and search x's room for the treasure or do you stay and fight"  I remember I was one of only like 3 people who stayed and fought.  The rest of the greedy people went to search the room.

[DPR]

 

Exactly. Greeeedy. heh

[Alys Kinch]

lol, i am pretty sure hybrid meant that lav was his mafia finding tool not that she was mafia.

 

dpr, i am not waffling. i feel it is fair play to point out the good and bad aspects of ideas. unlike your broad strokes that demolish anything you disagree with or don't want talked about. you know me well enough to know that so don't try to play that game with me.

 

there were thought provoking points made. we don't know enough to sweep them away without another thought.

[DPR]

 

'Twas why I asked nicely. But in return, I don't love when you just point and then step back to let others consider action. It makes me itch. And there is nothign that can't be talked about - everybody knows that - so now I thin we should talk about why I'm getting this feeling that youare kind of supporting Hybrid here...It's night. There's no voting, no reason to get antsy.

 

Point out what you consoider to be thought provoking.

[Hybrid]

lol, i am pretty sure hybrid meant that lav was his mafia finding tool not that she was mafia.

Exactly.  Very interesting that people "interpreted" it as me contesting her finder claim.

[DPR]

It's more interesting that someone else had to point out "what you meant".

[Tigraine]

I argued 20 pages ago that too much of our time was being focused on the relics when we had found out so little about them and I was ran through the wringer for it.  

 

In my own personal opinion, I don't believe that there is a relic that will reveal the vessel.  Kivam has made it clear that no one knows who the vessel is and even upon death it will not be revealed.  Why, after all that, would anyone believe that a relic would show it? Yes, we should keep it in the back of our minds, but why focus on something that we have absolutely no way of figuring out?

[DPR]

I argued 20 pages ago that too much of our time was being focused on the relics when we had found out so little about them and I was ran through the wringer for it. 

 

In my own personal opinion, I don't believe that there is a relic that will reveal the vessel.  Kivam has made it clear that no one knows who the vessel is and even upon death it will not be revealed.  Why, after all that, would anyone believe that a relic would show it? Yes, we should keep it in the back of our minds, but why focus on something that we have absolutely no way of figuring out?

 

In support of your point:

 

Why add confusion to an already confusing game?

 

Because it was fun for me . . .

 

Oh, you mean why would players do that?  Never mind . . .

[Naeann]

Nah, reading it again I see what Alys pointed out but first time reading it I thought you were implying that she was scum.  That being said.. I wouldn't rely soley on her uncontested finder claim to prove her innocence.  Several factors in the game could have changed that.

[Hybrid]

My responses in red.  Because I'm too lazy to format.

 

Introducing the idea that there must be a relic that identifies the Vessel is a thinly disguised way to get poeple to use their relics.

First off, I'm not saying people should start using relics at will.  If you get a strange looking thing with a barrel, do you point it at someone and pull the trigger?  No.  Especially if it has some scary, unpronouncable name, like the "The Grimoire of Branca-Boola" (sorry to steal from you, Kivam  :P).  But if you have a strange looking thing that comes with helpful instructions ("Tells you if the targeted player is the Vessel"), I say use it.  Common sense.

 

This is crap. Between you abd Quibby, you have definitely been playing a "focus on the relic" game. Next...

 

Now that's funny.  Because while Quibby and I are talking about relics, I'd be willing to bet that your fingers have been in the most pies.  If you know what I mean.

 

I'll just bet you have a nifty way of "revealing" a scum player next, eh?

I do.  Her name is Lavinya.

 

Nominated for the "Most Obvious Play Of The Game" award...Hybrid! And we're gonna trust you - really - because you've been so helpful all game. :P  As a general rule, only scum pops up like you have after I've rattled your cage. And you are rattled, aren't you.  8)

 

Fail.  I make a sarcastic comment about my "magic mafia revealer" and you accuse me of contesting Lavinya's claim?

 

I'm not going to derail a lynch right now, especially since the mafia would seem to want to die. I'm fairly certain that Hybrid has pulled this move now to reveal that he is mafia, and to set hiimself up as a target for anyone with vig powers.

I find this statement highly ironic coming from you in this game. 

 

Oh really? Care to say why so I can spank you with it?

 

Well, seeing as you've been playing a game that I (and others) have characterized as at the very least erratic and possibly even jester-like, yes.

 

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But let's backtrack within the same post.  Keep in mind that that last bit from DPR mentions his suspicion that the mafia want to die, and that I'm trying to get myself killed so that the mafia can win with the second win condition.

 

Strike 2 - In a 24 person game, 6 or 7 scum would be appropriate. Trying to lead the game to believe that there are fewer scum than there are is exactly what I was looking for in a mafia move. This is backed up by your desire to kill one more scum.

Earlier, you state that you think that I'm trying to mislead you into thinking there are less scum than normal.  Now, if I was scum, and I and my teammates were going for the suicide option, why would I do that?

 

And the biggest scum-tell of all time? Right here! And the answer to your "question" is this; because we won't kill all of your scummy friends. We'll save one, so you can't win.

 

And my point is that first you said I was scum for trying to hide scum buddies by fudging the numbers and then you said I was scum because I was trying to get myself lynched or NKed.  So which is it?  Are we killing ourselves or are we trying to survive?

 

The more confusion you throw onto the game about numbers of scum, be they high or low (low would have been too obvious...) the better your chances are. Sheesh...this ain't my first rodeo either.

 

Well, then, I'm glad you were so clear on the subject yourself.  6 or 7 scum and a relic for the Haunter of the Dark.  Yes, that wasn't confusion on the scum's numbers at all.  Seriously... pot, meet kettle.

[DPR]

Empty responses all...

 

Fingers in pies?...Nae asked if you were contesting, not me...I'm a jester? Really?...you didn't even read my post  :P...and the ever popular "pot meet kettle" How original. And I'm not the one trying to confuse.

[Tigraine]

Empty responses all...

 

Fingers in pies?...Nae asked if you were contesting, not me...I'm a jester? Really?...you didn't even read my post  :P...and the ever popular "pot meet kettle" How original. And I'm not the one trying to confuse.

 

At the moment you really aren't...how strange. 

 

Anyway if you will read back, which I really don't recommend, there has been somebody confusing everybody the whole game.  I think that taking a look at them would help.  However, I must present all the evidence...I felt like Al Jenn was causing a lotta choas and he turned innocent so I might not be the best person to listen to!  :-\

[Barmacral]

Hybrid, read your post from a 3rd party perspective. Any sarcasm you intended did not get through, and it looks very much like you're accusing Lav of being scum. Anyone making the mistake of thinking you were doing that wasn't exactly going out on a limb.

[Quibby]

Before I forget to mention this, I don't know just how active I'll be starting this Friday and lasting until the 5th of April.  My fiancee gets here Friday.  Priorities, you know. ;)

[MsDanya]

I thought the "Fingers in pies" were a very good analogy! Wes, you cant deny that some of your posts were so useless they should thiefplay  :P Not that I'm not amused of course. I like a good laugh.

[Verbal32]

Maybe this will draw Verbal out....

 

 

Angelina Jolie. ;D

 

 

FHGUIDFHSGUINDFJNGVUISDFHGIDFHSKLGJNDFKLHFILERJHGN.  *pants*

 

Ok, multiple posts in a row....sorry folks.