[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[DPR]

I'm chagrined but proud at the same time....

 

That's what she said.

 

Barms started it...

[Kivam]

Gah! I'm doing Dae! How far are you? I'm on page 24. If you are farther than I'm going to stop and go after Hybrid and Lia.

 

Haven't started on Dae - he would have been next

[Kivam]

OK - first post after Day 2 starts:

 

Two mafiosos dead before day 2 even begins? Holy cow that's awesome!

 

*goes to double check what the jailkeeper role entailed*

 

Ahh...well roleblocker down is not so cool. Neither is two deaths in one night.

 

Good question - can't wait to hear from Pandy, day two apparently much was to be revealed, if I recall correctly? Did anyone target him? Is he now a super powerful killing machine? Perhaps Verbal targeted him, and the result was death? Though I can't imagine mafia killing one of their own after just lynching a team mate.

 

After the Cromwell Approval was released:

 

Really don't understand the picture reference...but what basis do you have for that accusation? Did you view him? Should we really vote DS, purely because Barm told us to??

[Kivam]

Damn . . . posted that way too quickly . . . continuing

 

I'm still struggling to vote for no other reason than Barm flashed a shiny picture at as and therefore he must not only be innocent, but he MUST be the finder! Seriously people? I'm not saying I think DS is innocent beyond doubt, but I am not enough convinced by Barm's 'evidence' to vote for him.

 

A spam post:

 

You mean Ed is ever not scummy? Oh wait, I meant spammy ;)

 

Heh, didn't mean to spam. I didn't want to vote for DS, purely because Barm said so with pretty pictures. I would have rather seen some sort of decisive argument, or him come out as finder, or even profess a gut hunch, as opposed to the big fat nothing he gave us. And why, since he has actually posted on DM since, has he not bothered to stop in here and answer questions? I smell scum. He's probably sitting back, watching everyone bandwagon DS with glee, without him having needed to do anything more but flash something shiny. Give me something more, and I will happily vote for DS, but I will not do it purely because scummy scum scum Barm told me to :P.

 

I don't know if I believe Kivam is innocent, but I can't fault his logic regarding DS. I don't know if it makes him scum though, and I still don't think it makes Barm's actions any less suspicious. If DS is who he says he is, there will be no lynch and night will come. And if he isn't...well we may have our 3rd mafioso down in three days. It's a heady prospect.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Dragonsworn[/glow]

 

At night, showing she has good taste  ;D:

 

Lily - I had no idea you liked Poles that much.  A nation of people with unpronounceable last names just got a little bit happier

 

I just have to say this is the funniest thing I have seen all morning :D

 

About 12 hrs ago:

 

Family visiting today, going to be scarce. Will check back in about 8 hours!

 

And that's it

 

Draw your own conclusions, but here's mine:

 

Lavinya has been relatively active, and hasn't done a whole lot that's suspicious - except for the "I'm confused" signaling.  That was blatant enough (and, according to FDM, out of character enough) to put her slightly on the "scum" side of neutral, IMO.  That would change if DS is scum, though, as she did spend a bit of time complaining about going by the Cromwell Approval before finally voting for DS only after he claimed to have submitted his "stop the lynch" action.

 

She's not going to be high on my list of suspects, but she's on the radar, and bears watching.

 

[Talya]

So which one was on Pale's kill last night, I'm sure he didn't reveal it, only that Barm was for tonight?

 

It's a shame that Alys has gone. I hope she wasn't the person Pale choose for the kill last night. Because it was obvious she had some kind of good info. She wouldn't be one i would have wanted to get rid of until proven (as much as you can be) mafia. Of course, we don't know for sure that this role is a pro town role! It's saving grace is that Pale can stop that person being killed and sacrifice himself. Seems a bit odd if that was a Mafia role. That is of course he does that!

 

There was something Kivam brought up about Lav saying that she was confused by all the role revealing. If she has played in any games recently on DM, it wouldn't be too much of a surprise for her. They seem to do it at a drop of a hat.

 

Kiv, I look forward to your analysis! :)

[WWWwombat]

I don't think Pale is claiming any of the kills that have already happened.  Actually, something doesn't add up to me about the kills last night.  Given the manner of their deaths, I would guess that Tigs was killed by a psycho and Alys was killed by a poisoner.  If that's so, then what happened to the mafia's nk?  Verbal seemed to have been nk'd by the mafia night one, but Alys seems to have been poisoned which if true would mean she would have been chosen night one, no?  Either I'm reading too much into DPR's death scenes, or something funky is going on with the mafia's ability to kill.

[Kivam]

I think you're reading too much into it; the scene didn't say she was killed by her minestrone soup, after all

 

BTW, for my next case, I'll just be working from the print-page, so no more links, just quotes

[LilyElizabeth]

After sleeping on all this, something stands out that I can't ignore. Barmy, what you did was a semi-role reveal that only the older players would understand, but a semi role-reveal nontheless. When it wasn't sure to working, you said that's not what you were doing. Very subtle. Very clever. Very scummy.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Barm[/glow]

 

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't think Pale is claiming any of the kills that have already happened.  Actually, something doesn't add up to me about the kills last night.  Given the manner of their deaths, I would guess that Tigs was killed by a psycho and Alys was killed by a poisoner.  If that's so, then what happened to the mafia's nk?  Verbal seemed to have been nk'd by the mafia night one, but Alys seems to have been poisoned which if true would mean she would have been chosen night one, no?  Either I'm reading too much into DPR's death scenes, or something funky is going on with the mafia's ability to kill.

 

I think you may be right, Wombat.

[LilyElizabeth]

Oh, and I meant sure to be working. I hate not being able to edit posts! lol

 

[Barmacral]

After sleeping on all this, something stands out that I can't ignore. Barmy, what you did was a semi-role reveal that only the older players would understand, but a semi role-reveal nontheless. When it wasn't sure to working, you said that's not what you were doing. Very subtle. Very clever. Very scummy.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Barm[/glow]

 

 

Wrong. What I was doing was working very well. If I hadn't spoken up, we would have probably lynched DS anyways. Nice try though.

[a pale tanned lover]

So which one was on Pale's kill last night, I'm sure he didn't reveal it, only that Barm was for tonight?

None were mine.

 

The

BTW, you also need to tell us who you sent in night 2.  If they have a more important role than Barm, you'll need to let Barm die and swap with them.

 

Sorry, but this was a colossally bad use of your role.

Revealing who i sent in yet would be a bad idea, since if they are not mafia or cult then they won't be targeted and someone else will. If i reveal who and i'm killed then they would get two for one.

 

The reason i chose Barm was because after i voted for Rey he decided that i hadn't helped this game at all(he's done that twice with no reason, considering he never voted for Rey either)

 

Since then he has false claimed finder...already prepared with an excuse for why he did.

 

Lily voting for Barm would prove fruitless at this stage

[Barmacral]

Pale, where were your posts with any content at all in them? All you did was spam, vote, agree to really bad idea.

 

And Lily - he's right, there is no value in voting for me, I'm dead either way. My role is important in its own right, but not so much that he should sacrifice himself for me.

[LilyElizabeth]

I was afraid you might change your mind, Pale. I really, really think what he did was scummy. And just in case you aren't telling the truth.....

 

 

Oh, and remember that way I have of telling whether or not you're scum? You passed the test, Pale. You're town. I'd bet on it.

 

[a pale tanned lover]

Pale, where were your posts with any content at all in them? All you did was spam, vote, agree to really bad idea.

How many repetitive posts were there Day 1, I backed Kiv's idea of a role reveal on Day 1 since due to my role that would have been a big help in narrowing down targets, i was basically just told i was an idiot because it had already been discussed :P

 

You might want to check the post were i quoted DPR's statement about the three new roles that he had created especially for this game......

 

Day 2 consisted of your false claim and the whole dragongate incident.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alys Kinch]

OOOOOO!!! Somebody sucks, now don't they? Were you scared of me? Is that it? Huh? Huh?

 

Go Townies!

 

:P

[Kivam]

Talya

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Alys!!!

 

Long time noe see. And I have brought some cookies for old times sake. They do tend to jump in votiong early these days, quite knocks you over. And me having a vote already, lol.

 

When Wes put me in this I did think it would be awesome for me and Kivam to do the gambit again, lol. I'm almost thinking that Barm is trying to set me up to look like we are trying to do that! (me and Barm that is)

 

So it looks like dragon isn't too popular today! Has someone get a thing on to get him lynched on day one...could be him, lol

 

Responding to Alys saying "reminiscing (sp??) about how great that gambit was after being accused probably won't look good later."

 

I know Alys, It just wouldn't have worked. Once bitten twice shy.

 

Could it be that any of the roles could be doubled up?

 

Govenor, sounds like the Mayor role. Fortune Teller maybe has some idea of what is being planned?

 

After Dae says he's voting Far because of her request to be findered:

 

Dae, what do you mean by 'finder request'?

 

Well, I think it's unfair not given us their mother's maiden name...that could tell us a lot... ;)

 

I think Pete is trying to get himself lynched. inj another game where he is number 11 he voted for himself and then took it off saying he was innocent. So here he hasn't done that, so I would say that was his game he sent into Wes. Maybe night kill him instead, just to ruin his day, lol.

 

I have to agree Dae, that wasn't the best of reasons to vote for someone. Not that there are any good reasons at the moment!

 

(Agreeing that Dae didn't have a good reason to vote FDM)

 

Spam comment to DPR about his kid

 

But at least he will beable to see in the dark...if you can get them down, lol...best of luck! I didn't have any of that trouble, she just everything in sight and still does!

 

Unfortunately I have seen Pandy reveal on day one before for no real reason, I think he was a townie then, not that that means anything. I've noticed in other games how quick it is for people to claim roles when there has been no reason too.

 

Pandy to me is  abit like Mynd, he does things which disrupt it, mainly for his own means, but it can then cause problems throughout the game.

 

I can also say I do not like role reveals. I would imagine that people were more likely to lie anyway, they wouldn't want people knowing what they have, or even what they don't have. So I'm not so sure that it woulod help us at all. In fact it is more likely to cause more disruption!

 

Funny I thought it was me that said it first... :p

 

I agree that I have never see a mass role revela work, and Alys hit the nail on the head with, that is that if the Doc and finder lie, the mafia are soon going to work out who they are, especially if they aren't very good at lying or pulling those kind of things off!

 

Sometimes kivam the stuff has all been packed IN the box, leaving nothing outside ;)

 

Reaction to mass reveal plan.

 

no probs, and don't waorry about the misspelling, i'll know who you mean.

 

I'm sure Kivam has suggested this before, but I can't think where. though it mioght have been Mynd that has tried to get everyone to role reveal before now. I just think that the Mafia gain more from it than the townies would!

 

That is how we used to play, lol.

 

Lily, I don't know if you have ever played with Sira, if you think this is bad, she would come in with masses of posts of all the data she had worked out, it was amazing. you would have ahd a lot more to read than now for sure!

 

After Nae said Random.com wanted me to reveal first:

 

lol, lets see what he does now!

 

A point on reveals. Of course people are going to lie. If there is a cult leader out there, they aren't going to revels, nor is a solo winner, maybe not even a vig and definately not a seriual killer, if there is any of those roles. So it wouldn't help at all.

 

At the moment I really have no idea who I'm most suspicious of Some seem to post but don't say anything, and others say a lot.

 

Far hasn't really pinged my radar yet, however I'm suspicious of Alys having played more games with her, the same with Kivam. But I guess that is all metagaming.

 

At least we can now get over the role reveal business.

 

HYou speak good common sense alys, which is another reason you set my alarm bells ringing. You are very good at being the voice of reason. It's not something I wopuld like to vote on though.

 

To be honest with all this business of people supposedly working with someone else. You can still get annoyed over those things and be innocent. It seems like people grasping at straws at trying to find evidence of something. On the first day there isn't going to be much unless someone really does make a big mistake, which is unlikely.

 

I didn't like Kivam's reveal suggestion, he did back track, and even he can make mistakes I'm sure. Pale stands out after having read everything that had been done wants it and then even after it being pointed out still tried to give it merit. I can't remember who the other supporter of the Reveal was. I'll have to check.

 

As for Nae's rolly eyes, (I'm not saying you have them!) I saw it more as sarcastic then anything else.

 

I thought Dae acted more like Thorum in the way that he came charging in, I haven't played with him in ages so can't remember if this is normally him. And now he has gone quiet!

 

I do prefer when the game gets narrowed down, because there seems too many people to keep track of at the moment.

 

Alys, It's because I know you are a good player, which is why I'm not acting on it and because I have nothing. And I'm with you on the lying business. The more you keep to the truth the less you can be caught up in a lie.

 

I also find this business with Nae and Barm as a bit grasping at straws. But then it didn't really strike me as odd.

 

Thus far, a pretty clean game, though casting doubt on Alys was something a scum player would want to do (knowing she was innocent) as well as a townie (who would not know she was innocent).

 

Quote from: Far Dareis Mai on January 29, 2010, 10:31:55 AM

Hahah, we were thinking the same thing, Akiva!

 

Far, who is 'WE' is that a freudian slip there?

 

There is more back and forth going on here than Picadily Circus.

 

I'm not sure about Pandy, it could be a role that gains roles that are targeted on him, and yet he said that all except the finder, so I think that puts that theory out. It could be all night actions are useless against him and depending how many target him, would then effect the role/s he got from it. To me that seems like it could be a dangerous thing, he has acted haphazardly up to this point.

 

OK, this post is probably what started me feeling odd about Talya.  This was after Pandy said he wouldn't force us to target him, and both FDM and I pointed out that he couldn't.  Then Talya jumped on the "we" in FDM's post.

 

Then, when someone pointed out "We" meant "fdm and kiv, who said similar things", Talya replied

 

She may well have, but then again she might not, nice to see you all come to her defense :D

 

And Happy Birthday Barm, I hope all your dreams come true...

 

Smiley makes it clear she was joking, though.  Ed tells her to calm down, and she says:

 

I got the giggles...i can't help it...

 

Skipping spam posts, btw, Talya defends Lavinya, Nae and Barm from my accusations:

 

Just to play the Devils Advocate...

 

1. No it didn't make sense, but it could be that she didn't mean it the way it was written, I know when i have written things it doesn't always come out how I mean it, but then I'm not good at using the English Language as some people are.

 

2. It doesn't make it scum tell. I have never used it when scum, and I've seen some who are innocent use it as well as Mafia.

 

3. I didn't find it overly defensive at all, in fact I hardly noticed it, until some started going on about it!

 

;D

 

After Rey's reveal

 

:o

 

And what on earth was that for Rey. Are you on a bet to get lynched day 1, because there was no need to reveal. We had already talked about the problem it caused with Pandy. Are you in this together, just to cause disruption.

 

Rey

 

This looks half like a teammate chewing him out, and half like a townie justifying a vote.  I'd lean toward the latter.

 

I don't think he is the Fortune Teller, or if he is, it's a mafia role. Why on earth would you reveal that on day one.

 

Unless he thought he would get the Fortune Teller to reveal. either way looks like scum to me!

 

Going after Rey hard core

 

I'm not panicking at all Rey, I've just seen the most stupidest move of the game so far and acted on it.

 

I shall make it easy for you shall I

 

lynch

lynch

lynch

lynch

 

View me then. If you can.

 

What are your reasons for revealing? And to say it's different than Pandy is not a reason, and actually it isn't any different.

 

You weren't in any danger

You haven't got a viewing of a mafia to reveal.

You do not help the Town by doing this

If you are telling the truth you put a target on your back and put the healer in an awkward position, especially as it's only 50/50 chance.

The role would only be 50% chance successful anyway!

 

sounds like he could be Dragon

 

Going after Rey harder

 

HJw can it be better nothing! You don't even know whether the answer you get will be correct or not. you are near to useless, especially now that you have revealed.

 

And How do you know there aren't other roles of that kind out there? If there is then we don't have 'nothing' as you put it.

 

So you told us what your role does, and thats supposed to make it better! *shakes her head in disbelief*

 

Agreeing with Nae that Far was suspicious:

 

Actually i have to agree with you Nae, that was the first thing I thought when I read those words from Far.

 

but first.. unvote I can sort of see the logic you are trying to say there about numbers Kiv, just don't ask me to explain it. But I think I know what you mean. I still think it will only provide a massive debate everytime he gets a viewing and in that respect may not be helpful.

 

I'm not keen on a no lynch. Never like the things. The only bonus there, is that if everyone has roles they can start to be used, on a negative note, that includes mafia, sk's, arsonists, poisoners...as well as finders/fortunetellers, healers etc!

 

I think that choosing someone from the Kivam lynch is a pretty good idea. It could increase the chance of getting a mafia. Not that i particularly trust Far, She may well be mafia. But that doesn't make the idea bad.

 

The ones that stand out to me on that list, are Nae. She put it on there to get Kivam to reveal. I think that maybe Ed could be as well. The mafia might well think that the reveal would be useful to them. Especially if he had been finder or healer.

 

OK, work just caught up with me (yes, even on a sick day).  Will be back with the rest in a bit

 

 

 

[Barmacral]

Pale, where were your posts with any content at all in them? All you did was spam, vote, agree to really bad idea.

How many repetitive posts were there Day 1, I backed Kiv's idea of a role reveal on Day 1 since due to my role that would have been a big help in narrowing down targets, i was basically just told i was an idiot because it had already been discussed :P

 

You might want to check the post were i quoted DPR's statement about the three new roles that he had created especially for this game......

 

Day 2 consisted of your false claim and the whole dragongate incident.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did you get that I false claimed? I never claimed anything, several people tried claiming things for me, and I dissuaded them of the notion once I got back from the weekend.

[Kivam]

Pale, where were your posts with any content at all in them? All you did was spam, vote, agree to really bad idea.

And Lily - he's right, there is no value in voting for me, I'm dead either way. My role is important in its own right, but not so much that he should sacrifice himself for me.

 

This.

 

Barm, you may as well reveal now, since we need as much info as we can get

 

(and yes, I said I was leaving, but the red "9 new replies" text of doom stopped me for a minute.  I'll be gone soon)

[a pale tanned lover]

Where did you get that I false claimed? I never claimed anything, several people tried claiming things for me, and I dissuaded them of the notion once I got back from the weekend.

You used a tactic that was quite readily picked up by Kiv and then others, then never dissuaded(or had chance too) people till Day 3, if Dragon had been lynched and flipped innocent you would have used the same reasoning.

[Barmacral]

Barm, you may as well reveal now, since we need as much info as we can get

 

I guess... I am the psychiatrist. My role at night is to find the psycho and heal him. Once I find the psycho he/she becomes a roleless townie and I become a doctor for the town. So far I have picked Wwwwwwwombat because he linked to the mafiascum descripton of the psycho (which says the role basically makes him a bomb with a vendetta), and Pale for much the same reasons that I voiced suspicions of him.

 

My role PM did not say what the psycho's role is.

 

Where did you get that I false claimed? I never claimed anything, several people tried claiming things for me, and I dissuaded them of the notion once I got back from the weekend.

You used a tactic that was quite readily picked up by Kiv and then others, then never dissuaded(or had chance too) people till Day 3, if Dragon had been lynched and flipped innocent you would have used the same reasoning.

 

Of course I would have used the same reasoning, as it is true. However, I chose not to wait, as it benefited the town more for me to explain my actions before the lynch. Frankly, the cromwell thing picked up steam WAY faster than I anticipated, and I did not expect to come back to find us in night 2.

[a pale tanned lover]

I'm not sure on the number crunch way of playing.

 

But taking certain peoples roles that have been revealed the 3 mafia dead, would a mass reveal at this stage still be a bad idea?

[LilyElizabeth]

I'd still be against it, Pale.

 

Barm? Seriously? You and Kivam already seem to be working together and then you claim a role basically just like the one he claimed? Somethings smells bad here. I feel like I'm missing something, though. I don't think it's as obvious as it seems.

 

 

[WWWwombat]

We pretty much already knew there was a psycho so unless someone counterclaims I believe Barm.  Kivam's roleclaim on the other hand, I am unsure of.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

We pretty much already knew there was a psycho so unless someone counterclaims I believe Barm.  Kivam's roleclaim on the other hand, I am unsure of.

 

I was just thinking about that.

 

I don't see dpr putting two sks in the game, which an arsonist, and psycho basically are. I think either Kiv or Barm is lying, and I am leaning more towards Kiv.