Signing questions and answers

[Nightstrike]

I've discussed it before. She took part in illegal gentling of men, meaning the original TR was BA. She's been away a long time. Her appearance seems to fit. She has changed. We've seen her before book 10. The clues after book 10 are also making it increasingly likely that she's Mesaana. Blueberries & Mesaana not being worried that Alviarin got sacked (because TR became Highest) & her sending sisters to the Black Tower.

 

[Nightstrike]

But the only one you've offered so far was the change of her personality. Which I addressed above--here it is again.

 

Actually it names her as 'nervous eyed' "The other two Red Sitters who had resigned and gone into a "voluntary" retreat at the same time were nervous-eyed women now, but unlike Lirene and Tsutama, Toveine had only hardened in her solitary exile."

The initial thing was that she was... well, "nervous-eyed". It's been a while since I last read the rest. Didn't she become "harder" as well? At least in KoD.

 

 

[Luckers]

We've seen her before book 10

 

Ah. This is where your theory falls through. You see we never meet Tsutama prior to KoD. She is referenced by name by Elaida, but we never see her.

 

RJ's comments rule her out.

 

As for your other points--you say we have many clues prior to book ten to suspect her, yet I see none.

 

She took part in illegal gentling of men, meaning the original TR was BA.

 

Thats illogical. So was Toveine, and at the same level, but we know she is not Black Ajah. And what does the actions of the original Tsutama have to do with Mesama?

 

She's been away a long time.

 

So has Lirene and Toveine. This does not individuate her, does not give us reason to suspect in in a Pre-CoT mindset.

 

She has changed.

 

Yeah, apperently she was 'broken by her exile'. Again just as Lirene was. Where in that is evidence that would have allowed us to deduce she was Mesaana based on information prior to CoT?

 

The clues after book 10 are also making it increasingly likely that she's Mesaana. Blueberries & Mesaana not being worried that Alviarin got sacked (because TR became Highest) & her effort to send sisters to the Black Tower.

 

Which are irrelevent--its the clues prior to book 10 which are significant. RJ said there should be enough to figure her out, but the only comment we have about Tsutama is that she and Lirene were broken by their exile. That's hardly enough to conclude Tsutama is Mesaana--or even think to, really.

 

Anyway, the fact that we've never seen Tsutama prior to KoD rules her out.

 

The initial thing was that she was... well, "nervous-eyed". It's been a while since I last read the rest. Didn't she become "harder" as well? At least in KoD.

 

Yeah, but not till KoD. Prior to CoT she is only mentioned once, and there she is stated to be nervous eyed and broken by her exile. Hardly the things that bespeak a Chosen-in-disguise, which RJ said we should be able to figure out.

[Nightstrike]

An Aes Sedai of the Red Ajah and a Sitter until her exile.

 

Physical Description

She is beautiful and hard-eyed. (NS,Ch6) She is strikingly beautiful with luxuriant black hair and a full bosom. She wears lots of jewelry. (KoD,Prologue)

 

Chronology

After King Laman's death, Tsutama Rath and other Sitters ask Moiraine to consider taking the Sun Throne herself. (NS,Ch6)

In 985 NE Marith Jaen exiles the Sitters for the Red Ajah, Toveine, Tsutama and Lirene, for their role in gentling male channelers beyond the walls of the White Tower. (ACoS,Prologue, TPoD,Ch26, blog)

After the disappearance of Galina, Tsutama Rath is elected Highest of the Red Ajah. (KoD,Prologue)

Pevara and Javindhra meet with Tsutama in her rooms. They discuss the disasters at Dumai's Wells and the Black Tower. They agree that they must adopt the plan of bonding the Asha'man. (KoD,Prologue)

Tsutama orders Pevara, Desala, Javindhra, Jezrail, Melare and Tarna to go to the Black Tower to negotiate bonding Asha'man. (KoD,Epilogue)

Other References

NS,Ch13 � No one has mentioned the Sun Throne to Moiraine since Tsutama.

KoD,Prologue � Tsutama furnishes her apartment in ornate, gaudy style.

KoD,Prologue � After her return from exile Tsutama seems even fiercer than she used to be.

KoD,Ch25 � Even with Tsutama's order, Tarna has a hard time coming up with enough names of Red Ajah sisters to bond Warders.

[Luckers]

Your point? What she was up to in New Spring is irrelevant as she was not Mesaana--after she returns to the Tower she is mentioned only once by name, and never seen. And when she is mentioned she is mentioned as being broken by her exile, and the exact same description is gifted to Lirene.

[Nightstrike]

Ah. This is where your theory falls through. You see we never meet Tsutama prior to KoD. She is referenced by name by Elaida, but we never see her.

We've "seen" her.

 

Thats illogical. So was Toveine, and at the same level, but we know she is not Black Ajah. And what does the actions of the original Tsutama have to do with Mesama?

Orders came via BA to gentle men. Most of those involved were BA.

 

She's been away a long time.

 

So has Lirene and Toveine. This does not individuate her, does not give us reason to suspect in in a Pre-CoT mindset.

I've been over this before. I mentioned why those are ruled out.

 

Yeah, apperently she was 'broken by her exile'. Again just as Lirene was. Where in that is evidence that would have allowed us to deduce she was Mesaana based on information prior to CoT?

If she's "broken", how come she became Highest in no time?

 

Which are irrelevent--its the clues prior to book 10 which are significant. RJ said there should be enough to figure her out, but the only comment we have about Tsutama is that she and Lirene were broken by their exile. That's hardly enough to conclude Tsutama is Mesaana--or even think to, really.

Relevant, since RJ said he'd bring us closer to her identity in upcoming books. And he did.

 

 

[Nightstrike]

Your point? What she was up to in New Spring is irrelevant as she was not Mesaana--after she returns to the Tower she is mentioned only once by name, and never seen. And when she is mentioned she is mentioned as being broken by her exile, and the exact same description is gifted to Lirene.

She's clearly more than "mentioned once before KoD".

[Nightstrike]

From Theoryland:

Bailey's Crossroads VA 2005 - Robert Mee Reporting

 

Q:  Have we actually seen Mesaana's alter ego in the White Tower?

RJ:  Yes.

English isn't my mother tongue, and I'm not familiar with book signings. I just wonder if "Bailey's Crossroads" is a name for something particular? Does it mean that it is a CoT signing? I assume VA stands for Virginia? Is 2005 or 2003 the correct year?

[Luckers]

Quote from: Luckers on November 10, 2009, 11:50:31 PM

Ah. This is where your theory falls through. You see we never meet Tsutama prior to KoD. She is referenced by name by Elaida, but we never see her.

 

We've "seen" her.

 

Not as Mesaana. Is it your claim that when RJ said we'd seen 'Mesaana's alter ego' prior to CoT he meant we'd seen the woman who Mesaana later killed and replaced?

 

An interesting interpretation. I'm not sure I buy it, but I can't rule it out properly, so I'll let this point go.

 

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Thats illogical. So was Toveine, and at the same level, but we know she is not Black Ajah. And what does the actions of the original Tsutama have to do with Mesama?

 

Orders came via BA to gentle men. Most of those involved were BA.

 

Oh, the Black incited the Red into the Search and Destroy mission, but it was a stated Red Ajah goal, which meant the Red itself enacted it as an Ajah mission. Orders did not 'come from the Black' they came from the Red. And Galina explains that. She was the Highest.

 

As for your claim 'most of those involved in it were BA'. That's patently false. The Red enacted it as an Ajah. None in that suggests that Tsutama was Black, or that most involved were Black.

 

Furthermore, I ask you again what Tsutama's actions prior to her alledgedly being replaced by Mesaana have to do with anything? Indeed why would Mesaana remove a Black sister when Lirene was there fulfilling the exact same criteria.

 

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She's been away a long time.

 

So has Lirene and Toveine. This does not individuate her, does not give us reason to suspect in in a Pre-CoT mindset.

 

 

I've been over this before. I mentioned why those are ruled out.

 

We arn't speaking of ruling out Toveine and Lirene here, we're speaking of the fact that nothing differentiates Tsutama from Lirene prior to CoT. RJ stated we should have enough to figure out who Mesaana is prior to CoT--but prior to CoT the only piece of information we have is that she was apparently broken by her exile--and thats a piece of information she shares (in the same breath) with Lirene.

 

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Yeah, apperently she was 'broken by her exile'. Again just as Lirene was. Where in that is evidence that would have allowed us to deduce she was Mesaana based on information prior to CoT?

 

 

If she's "broken", how come she became Highest in no time?

 

Because, as becomes quite clear in KoD, Elaida was wrong. She was not in fact broken. Which is irrelevent. The Reds who elected her were exposed to the fact--we as the reader were not. And that is what is significant. We, the reader, were supposed to be able to figure out who Mesaana was prior to CoT, and all we as the reader knew was that Tsutama and Lirene had been broken by their exile.

 

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Which are irrelevent--its the clues prior to book 10 which are significant. RJ said there should be enough to figure her out, but the only comment we have about Tsutama is that she and Lirene were broken by their exile. That's hardly enough to conclude Tsutama is Mesaana--or even think to, really.

 

Relevant, since RJ said he'd bring us closer to her identity in upcoming books. And he did.

 

RJ said he'd flat out reveal it in the later books, not bring us closer. But even that's irrelevent because the process of bringing us closer is building upon an existing base--the information in the books prior to CoT that RJ felt should be enough to figure out who Mesaana was.

 

I don't care how far you stretch it--that Tsutama had been away, and had returned apparently broken, mentioned only once by name alongside Lirene who was described exactly the same, is not enough to even consider her a suspect, much less potentionally resolve the issue.

 

Quote from: Luckers on Today at 12:01:56 AM

Your point? What she was up to in New Spring is irrelevant as she was not Mesaana--after she returns to the Tower she is mentioned only once by name, and never seen. And when she is mentioned she is mentioned as being broken by her exile, and the exact same description is gifted to Lirene.

 

She's clearly more than "mentioned once before KoD".

 

Not in the time period she might have been Mesaana in a wig.

 

English isn't my mother tongue, and I'm not familiar with book signings. I just wonder if "Bailey's Crossroads" is a name for something particular? Does it mean that it is a CoT signing? I assume VA stands for Virginia? Is 2005 or 2003 the correct year?

 

I'm not sure if it was meant to be Baileys, Crossroads [of Twilight] signing or Baily's Crossroads signing. Either way going off the original .rec forum statement 2003 is the correct date (and there is the fact that its up on the FAQ which hasn't been updated since 2004--therefore it can't come from 2005). VA is indeed an American abreviation for Virginia. And yes it was for Crossroads of Twilight--thats what RJ was doing book signing's for in 2003.

[Luckers]

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Quote from: Luckers on November 10, 2009, 11:50:31 PM

Ah. This is where your theory falls through. You see we never meet Tsutama prior to KoD. She is referenced by name by Elaida, but we never see her.

 

We've "seen" her.

 

Not as Mesaana. Is it your claim that when RJ said we'd seen 'Mesaana's alter ego' prior to CoT he meant we'd seen the woman who Mesaana later killed and replaced?

 

An interesting interpretation. I'm not sure I buy it, but I can't rule it out properly, so I'll let this point go.

 

Correcting my last comment--RJ stated that we had seen Mesaana's alter ego on january 18th 2003. New Spring was not released until January 2004--a year later.

 

So, in effect no--we have not seen Tsuatama at that time, and RJ's comment once again rules her out.

[Nightstrike]

We've "seen" her.

Not as Mesaana. Is it your claim that when RJ said we'd seen 'Mesaana's alter ego' prior to CoT he meant we'd seen the woman who Mesaana later killed and replaced?

 

An interesting interpretation. I'm not sure I buy it, but I can't rule it out properly, so I'll let this point go.

I've not said that. I don't know what you're talking about? ???

 

Oh, the Black incited the Red into the Search and Destroy mission, but it was a stated Red Ajah goal, which meant the Red itself enacted it as an Ajah mission. Orders did not 'come from the Black' they came from the Red. And Galina explains that. She was the Highest.

Yeah, but the orders came from the Shadow's higher management. Because they thought the Dragon had been reborn, but they didn't know he was just an infant.

 

As for your claim 'most of those involved in it were BA'. That's patently false. The Red enacted it as an Ajah. None in that suggests that Tsutama was Black, or that most involved were Black.

Not true.

 

Furthermore, I ask you again what Tsutama's actions prior to her alledgedly being replaced by Mesaana have to do with anything? Indeed why would Mesaana remove a Black sister when Lirene was there fulfilling the exact same criteria.

I've no idea what you're talking about?  ???

 

We arn't speaking of ruling out Toveine and Lirene here, we're speaking of the fact that nothing differentiates Tsutama from Lirene prior to CoT. RJ stated we should have enough to figure out who Mesaana is prior to CoT--but prior to CoT the only piece of information we have is that she was apparently broken by her exile--and thats a piece of information she shares (in the same breath) with Lirene.

Yes, Lirene can be ruled out. She is an extremely short woman. Tsutama is at least average in height. Making it unrealistic that she could maintain the illusion without anyone noticing the difference. She is impersonating someone who is similar to her own appearance.

 

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Yeah, apperently she was 'broken by her exile'. Again just as Lirene was. Where in that is evidence that would have allowed us to deduce she was Mesaana based on information prior to CoT?

I've mentioned this already.

 

If she's "broken", how come she became Highest in no time?

Because, as becomes quite clear in KoD, Elaida was wrong. She was not in fact broken. Which is irrelevent. The Reds who elected her were exposed to the fact--we as the reader were not. And that is what is significant. We, the reader, were supposed to be able to figure out who Mesaana was prior to CoT, and all we as the reader knew was that Tsutama and Lirene had been broken by their exile.

Now you're contradicting yourself. You said she was all nervous and everything. Which, of course, is only natural if you're infiltrating enemy camp.

 

And yes it was for Crossroads of Twilight--thats what RJ was doing book signing's for in 2003.

:) OK, so the year was wrong on Theoryland. Good to know.

 

[Nightstrike]

So, in effect no--we have not seen Tsuatama at that time, and RJ's comment once again rules her out.

We've "seen" that she's all nervous-eyed, for instance.

[Luckers]

Quote from: Luckers on Today at 12:38:30 AM

So, in effect no--we have not seen Tsuatama at that time, and RJ's comment once again rules her out.

 

We've "seen" that she's all nervous-eyed, for instance.

 

No we havn't. Elaida described her, but we never see her.

 

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We've "seen" her.

Not as Mesaana. Is it your claim that when RJ said we'd seen 'Mesaana's alter ego' prior to CoT he meant we'd seen the woman who Mesaana later killed and replaced?

 

An interesting interpretation. I'm not sure I buy it, but I can't rule it out properly, so I'll let this point go.

 

 

I've not said that. I don't know what you're talking about?

 

We are discussing RJ's comment that we have 'seen Mesaana's alter-ego. What is the significance of having seen her except in that context?

 

This is irrelevent now. RJ's comment about us having already seen Mesaana's alter-ego took place a year before New Spring was published, therefore Tsutama is not Mesaana.

 

 

Given we can now prove Tsutama is not Mesaana most the rest becomes obsolete... just a few points.

 

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As for your claim 'most of those involved in it were BA'. That's patently false. The Red enacted it as an Ajah. None in that suggests that Tsutama was Black, or that most involved were Black.

 

 

Not true.

 

Actually very true. Only forty-seven Red Sisters were black (give or take a few lost or gained over the twenty years). The Red Ajah enacted this as Ajah mandate, it acted as the Ajah as whole.

 

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Furthermore, I ask you again what Tsutama's actions prior to her alledgedly being replaced by Mesaana have to do with anything? Indeed why would Mesaana remove a Black sister when Lirene was there fulfilling the exact same criteria.

 

I've no idea what you're talking about?

 

You raised Tsutama's role in the hunt and destroy mission as evidence that she was Black, and then suggested that the evidence that she was Black was evidence that she was Mesaana.

 

It's irrelevant now, we know she wasn't Mesaana--I'm just trying to clarrify.

 

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We arn't speaking of ruling out Toveine and Lirene here, we're speaking of the fact that nothing differentiates Tsutama from Lirene prior to CoT. RJ stated we should have enough to figure out who Mesaana is prior to CoT--but prior to CoT the only piece of information we have is that she was apparently broken by her exile--and thats a piece of information she shares (in the same breath) with Lirene.

 

 

Yes, Lirene can be ruled out. She is an extremely short woman. Tsutama is at least average in height. Making it unrealistic that she could maintain the illusion without anyone noticing the difference. She is impersonating someone who is similar to her own appearance.

 

Again, just to clarify, ruling out Lirene was utterly irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

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If she's "broken", how come she became Highest in no time?

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Because, as becomes quite clear in KoD, Elaida was wrong. She was not in fact broken. Which is irrelevent. The Reds who elected her were exposed to the fact--we as the reader were not. And that is what is significant. We, the reader, were supposed to be able to figure out who Mesaana was prior to CoT, and all we as the reader knew was that Tsutama and Lirene had been broken by their exile.

 

Now you're contradicting yourself. You said she was all nervous and everything. Which, of course, is only natural if you're infiltrating enemy camp.

 

No, I was saying that Elaida was wrong. She took the wildness of Tsutama's eyes as a sign that she'd been broken. She hadn't.

 

Here, Pevara explains it.

 

Back then, she had been hammer-hard, yet many had thought her a broken reed when she returned to the Tower. For a while, they had. Then everyone who spent any time near her realized that those shifting eyes were far from nervous. Exile had changed her, only not toward softness. [KoD: Prologue]

 

This was something the readers didn't have knowledge of, and it was the readers knowledge that was important to the discussion of Tsutama being Mesaana. As I said above, however, its irrelevant now. Tsutama is not Mesaana. RJ ruled her out.

 

 

[Nightstrike]

No we havn't. Elaida described her, but we never see her.

That's splitting hairs (is that an expression in english as well?  :D ). I say we've seen her. Anyone described is seen. That's my definition.

 

We are discussing RJ's comment that we have 'seen Mesaana's alter-ego. What is the significance of having seen her except in that context?

I've not said what you suggested that I'd said. The "woman she later killed". I've never even suggested she killed her. And I've never suggested that we've seen the real Tsutama Rath - except in NS, of course.

 

Actually very true. Only forty-seven Red Sisters were black (give or take a few lost or gained over the twenty years). The Red Ajah enacted this as Ajah mandate, it acted as the Ajah as whole.

The vileness took place right after the Aiel war. It's absolutely clear that the shadowsworn were behind the whole idea.

 

You raised Tsutama's role in the hunt and destroy mission as evidence that she was Black, and then suggested that the evidence that she was Black was evidence that she was Mesaana.

Yes, she was very likely Black Ajah. Very likely. Either way, the Shadow must have known everything about her. She was easy to "copy".

 

Again, just to clarify, ruling out Lirene was utterly irrelevant to the point I was making.

I disagree. I say it made your point moot.

 

 

If she's "broken", how come she became Highest in no time?

Because, as becomes quite clear in KoD, Elaida was wrong. She was not in fact broken. Which is irrelevent. The Reds who elected her were exposed to the fact--we as the reader were not. And that is what is significant. We, the reader, were supposed to be able to figure out who Mesaana was prior to CoT, and all we as the reader knew was that Tsutama and Lirene had been broken by their exile.

Yes, that's my point. She was changed, but not broken. The opposite. Her eyes betrayed that she was on her guard, not that she was broken.

 

 

[Luckers]

Quote from: Luckers on Today at 01:00:59 AM

No we havn't. Elaida described her, but we never see her.

 

That's splitting hairs (is that an expression in english as well?  ). I say we've seen her. Anyone described is seen. That's my definition.

 

Sorry dude, RJ said the reader has seen her at that stage. We had not seen Tsutama at that stage. Tsutama is not Mesaana.

 

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We are discussing RJ's comment that we have 'seen Mesaana's alter-ego. What is the significance of having seen her except in that context?

 

I've not said what you suggested that I'd said. The "woman she later killed". I've never even suggested she killed her. And I've never suggested that we've seen the real Tsutama Rath - except in NS, of course.

 

Who cares? The significance was only in whether we'd seen Tsutama before RJ made his comment. We have not.

 

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Actually very true. Only forty-seven Red Sisters were black (give or take a few lost or gained over the twenty years). The Red Ajah enacted this as Ajah mandate, it acted as the Ajah as whole.

 

 

The vileness took place right after the Aiel war. It's absolutely clear that the shadowsworn were behind the whole idea.

 

Of course the Black Ajah were behind the idea. They incited the Red Ajah into it. Then the Red Ajah enacted it. That they caused the Red Ajah to do it does not mean that the Red's who did it were Black--indeed we know as a fact that Toveine, who was as key a figure as Tsutama, was not Black.

 

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Again, just to clarify, ruling out Lirene was utterly irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

I disagree. I say it made your point moot.

 

Your 'ruling out' of Lirene is based on her description in KoD. That is irrelevant to this discussion, which is about RJ's comment that the reader had enough information to guess who Mesaana's alter-ego was within the Tower by CoT. KoD's out the window mate. Can't be considered.

 

By CoT Tsutama and Lirene are mentioned only once--in the same breath, with the same description--they were broken by their exile.

 

Where in that specific minor bit of information, information Lirene shares exactly, is evidence enough to even consider Tsutama as a suspect, much less figure her out for certain.

 

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If she's "broken", how come she became Highest in no time?

Because, as becomes quite clear in KoD, Elaida was wrong. She was not in fact broken. Which is irrelevent. The Reds who elected her were exposed to the fact--we as the reader were not. And that is what is significant. We, the reader, were supposed to be able to figure out who Mesaana was prior to CoT, and all we as the reader knew was that Tsutama and Lirene had been broken by their exile.

 

 

Yes, that's my point. She was changed, but not broken. The opposite. Her eyes betrayed that she was on her guard, not that she was broken.

 

Which is utterly irrelevant because the reader doesn't learn of it until KoD. Say it with me Nightstrike--what the reader knows by CoT is what's important.

 

 

[CUBAREY]

Guy's you miss the forest for the trees. What do we know for sure. Messana was in the Tower, we have seen her by COD, all Sisters left in the White Tower were tested to make sure they were not Black. We also have a pretty good idea that Messana is still in the White Tower at the end of the The Gathering Storm. Simple logic would seem to suggest that we look at all women in the White Tower during the relevant time periods. Now, who has been instrumental in many of the events that led to the split in the White Tower? May I suggest that Lara's would fit all the clues given by RJ  and would explain why Messena was not found out when all Sisters in the Tower were tested at the end of the Gathering Storm.

[Luckers]

Graendal states Mesaana is masquerading as an Aes Sedai and that she has been watching her closely.

[Nightstrike]

enough that we should figure it out before Crossroads of Twilight.

I'd forgotten that Lirene was mentioned as short in KoD, and no sooner. There goes my theory, then.  

:(

 

 

 

[Isabel]

Guy's you miss the forest for the trees. What do we know for sure. Messana was in the Tower, we have seen her by COD, all Sisters left in the White Tower were tested to make sure they were not Black. We also have a pretty good idea that Messana is still in the White Tower at the end of the The Gathering Storm. Simple logic would seem to suggest that we look at all women in the White Tower during the relevant time periods. Now, who has been instrumental in many of the events that led to the split in the White Tower? May I suggest that Lara's would fit all the clues given by RJ  and would explain why Messena was not found out when all Sisters in the Tower were tested at the end of the Gathering Storm.

 

Cubarey: It's quite simply why Mesaana was not found out. She could easily claim that she is not Black Ajah, or that she is not a darkfriend. Because she is neither of them. she is higher, she is a forsaken.

 

 

[Kivam]

Mesaana is not Laras - there's no way she would have sent Siuan off into the world, helped Min escape, offered to help Egwene escape . . . none of her actual actions fit.

 

The best candidate remains Danelle.  Brown, dreamy, generally friendless and yet instrumental in breaking the Tower.

[Luckers]

Indeed. Which is why I'm so desperate to learn whats going on with Danelle. There is so much in support of her.

[WWWwombat]

Guy's you miss the forest for the trees. What do we know for sure. Messana was in the Tower, we have seen her by COD, all Sisters left in the White Tower were tested to make sure they were not Black. We also have a pretty good idea that Messana is still in the White Tower at the end of the The Gathering Storm. Simple logic would seem to suggest that we look at all women in the White Tower during the relevant time periods. Now, who has been instrumental in many of the events that led to the split in the White Tower? May I suggest that Lara's would fit all the clues given by RJ  and would explain why Messena was not found out when all Sisters in the Tower were tested at the end of the Gathering Storm.

 

Cubarey: It's quite simply why Mesaana was not found out. She could easily claim that she is not Black Ajah, or that she is not a darkfriend. Because she is neither of them. she is higher, she is a forsaken.

 

 

 

Somehow I think Egwene would have thought of that.

[Anulith]

I'm not sure if this has been told before or not or even how interesting it is.  I was at the Lexington signing last night and overheard the guy a few places ahead of me in line ask Brandon about Rand's madness / Lew's Therin being real.  His response was that RJ hadn't left any notes really setting it in stone either way.  He said that RJ did say something like they shared the same soul or the two souls were intertwined or something.  He said that he wasn't going to say one way or the other and would let the books speak for themselves.

 

This is by far not a direct quote and I may have misheard some of it.  Also, it's not really all that game changing so, meh.  I thought someone may be interested though.

 

As far as any questions I posed to him, I didn't get a chance to ask any, lol.  I did talk to one of the Storm Leaders and she told me something minuscule she had asked about Mistborn but this isn't really the right place for that.

[benr]

On a different note, congrats to Robert Jordan, Brandon Sanderson, Harriet, and all involved on "The Gathering Storm" joining several other WOT books at number 1 on the NY Times Best Seller List. 

[Luckers]

I'm not sure if this has been told before or not or even how interesting it is.  I was at the Lexington signing last night and overheard the guy a few places ahead of me in line ask Brandon about Rand's madness / Lew's Therin being real.  His response was that RJ hadn't left any notes really setting it in stone either way.  He said that RJ did say something like they shared the same soul or the two souls were intertwined or something.  He said that he wasn't going to say one way or the other and would let the books speak for themselves.

 

This is by far not a direct quote and I may have misheard some of it.  Also, it's not really all that game changing so, meh.  I thought someone may be interested though.

 

As far as any questions I posed to him, I didn't get a chance to ask any, lol.  I did talk to one of the Storm Leaders and she told me something minuscule she had asked about Mistborn but this isn't really the right place for that.

 

Yes... the storm leaders at the event transcribed the comment. It's in my compilation which is stickied at the top of the board.

 

Quick points for you--Rand and LTT are the same soul, they are just different personalities. Some suggest LTT is a creation of Rand's emotional turmoil, and that Rand's memory seeping is seperate. I reguard this as proven to be incorrect.

 

The manifestation of the personalities of past incarnations is stated to be a normal mental condition by Semirhage--as in it occurs natually. The Taint catalyses normal mental instabilities into manifesting, which we know from the wide variety of mental instabilities that result from exposure to the Taint (i.e. It is a catalyst of madness, not a style of madness).

 

The combination of the two explain LTT. From there LTT acts indepenetly, channeling the power. He displays specific knowledge, specific opinions. Furthermore intergration is the only method of dealing with such personalities, and that is precisely what Rand does in dealing with LTT.

 

RJ did not clarify this, and Brandon is being wary of fan-rage, but the books say what they say.