Hollywood 1940's Mafia! Game Over!

mcs0083 · May 27, 2009

Wait

So are you playin or not?

Talya · May 27, 2009

A Lynch would be preferable by far than a Mod Kill. We maybe at least have some information from that, especially if it is a coronor game.

We don't have much time, so I'm going to go with [glow=red,2,300]Pandy[/glow]

He voted for Wes with nothing and no explaination, it's very weak at the moment, but the best I could come up with. Though Wes is looking good for even suggesting a No Lynch on the first day. These are things that stick out, in fact they are probably the only things that have happened. Though a no lynch would be benificial if it did look like there was going to be no majourity.

cosmicpanda · May 27, 2009

A Lynch would be preferable by far than a Mod Kill. We maybe at least have some information from that, especially if it is a coronor game.

We don't have much time, so I'm going to go with [glow=red,2,300]Pandy[/glow]

He voted for Wes with nothing and no explaination, it's very weak at the moment, but the best I could come up with. Though Wes is looking good for even suggesting a No Lynch on the first day. These are things that stick out, in fact they are probably the only things that have happened. Though a no lynch would be benificial if it did look like there was going to be no majourity.

::)

What about Cubarey's vote for me? Do you always vote for the first to vote in a game? I thought better of you than this, Talya.

Mod, is a No Lynch vote allowed? I'm not a big fan of the No Lynch vote, but it's an alternative to a random kill.

In my opinion, it is the worst possible alternative. This lets the mafia have 1st crack.

I don't disagree - I'd rather have the information that a majority vote would give us. But, It would be better to only lose 1 innocent instead of 2. If we don't hit 8 votes, the mod will random kill 1, and the chances are the highest that it will be an innocent. The mafi will take their kill, and we'll be right back here in the morning.

We would have to wait to get any info, but it would save a player's life.

In my opinion, the information that we get from the lynch on day one outweighs the advantage of having another innocent alive. We can see who was on the bandwagon, etc. I'm glad that I'm voting for you!

Leelou · May 27, 2009

The only two to not check in so far are Hybrid and DJ. If it comes down to it, I'll try to get them replaced.

A "No Lynch" is always an option.

Tomorrow I'll be in court all day taking notes for cases, so I'll be unavailable until 5:30 pm EST. There is a possibility I'll be there all day Friday too. Deadline will be 5:30 pm EST Friday just in case.

Vote Count:

cosmicpanda (2): CUBAREY, Talya

Wes (1): cosmicpanda

Not voting:

Sarayne, Hybrid, Nynaeve, Dark Justice, DPR (Wes), Naeann, Liathiana, mcs0083, mnwhiterose, Verbal32, Jeran, Blig Blog

8 votes for a majority. Deadline is 5:30 pm EST approx. 48 hours from now.

Talya · May 27, 2009

lol thats the first time I had done it Pandy, and I forgot Cuba had voted for you. I guess I should read again before I post. ::)

mcs0083 · May 27, 2009

[glow=red,2,300]cosmicpanda[/glow]

DPR · May 28, 2009

Mod, is a No Lynch vote allowed? I'm not a big fan of the No Lynch vote, but it's an alternative to a random kill.

In my opinion, it is the worst possible alternative. This lets the mafia have 1st crack.

I don't disagree - I'd rather have the information that a majority vote would give us. But, It would be better to only lose 1 innocent instead of 2. If we don't hit 8 votes, the mod will random kill 1, and the chances are the highest that it will be an innocent. The mafi will take their kill, and we'll be right back here in the morning.

We would have to wait to get any info, but it would save a player's life.

In my opinion, the information that we get from the lynch on day one outweighs the advantage of having another innocent alive. We can see who was on the bandwagon, etc. I'm glad that I'm voting for you!

Sorry about the quote madness, but this is all we have to go on -

In my opinion, the information that we get from the lynch on day one outweighs the advantage of having another innocent alive. We can see who was on the bandwagon, etc. I'm glad that I'm voting for you!

This is what I already said - why try to twist it and use it against me ???

I am famously against No Lynches - except for in the very few circumstances that they can save a random kill or in a few endgame scenarios. In our case, the random kill is still a possibility.

Here are the potential outcomes:

We don't get a mjority vote on a player = mod-kill (most likely an innocent) and no information.

or

A No Lynch vote = much easier to get and no one dies. We don't get any info, but at least we have bodies left and we weren't getting any info anyway.

or, preferably

A majority lynch = we get the info we need to get the ball rolling.

Now that folks are showing up, we might be able to get a vote put together. For the record, I never voted No Lynch, I just wanted to lay our options out if we need to pull a fast vote together to avoid a random kill.

I'll hold my vote for now.

Jeran · May 28, 2009

Well so far it seems mostly just the typical first day game theory arguments and there's not really anything suspicious in that yet because it happens so often.

However, [glow=red,2,300]mnwhiterose[/glow]'s post is one that caught my eye. It seems like filler or active lurking or whatever you want to call it. Granted, it's not a particularly strong reason for voting but it was my early gut feeling.

So, what are the votes right now? 1 for DPR and 1 for Pandy? eee.....no one's really started to look scummy to me.

mnwhiterose · May 28, 2009

I was just recapping votes so far and stating my observation so far. *shrug* Not that I really have much to report, I guess. I guess it would seem more like filler.

Mod, is a No Lynch vote allowed? I'm not a big fan of the No Lynch vote, but it's an alternative to a random kill.

In my opinion, it is the worst possible alternative. This lets the mafia have 1st crack.

I don't disagree - I'd rather have the information that a majority vote would give us. But, It would be better to only lose 1 innocent instead of 2. If we don't hit 8 votes, the mod will random kill 1, and the chances are the highest that it will be an innocent. The mafi will take their kill, and we'll be right back here in the morning.

We would have to wait to get any info, but it would save a player's life.

I have to agree with Wes - I'd rather not lose an innocent to a random modkill in the event we can't come to a majority. But, no one really stands out to me.

[glow=red,2,300]No Lynch[/glow]

Naeann · May 28, 2009

But hey...life can be like that. (Wishes he could say it in French where it sounds cool) :D :P

Se la vie (such is life) I think?

I'm gonna go with [glow=red,2,300]Jeran[/glow]. Why Mnwhiterose for that? Several have posted less game related things than she did.

Hybrid · May 28, 2009

Hi guys,

Sorry I'm a little late checking in. It's the last few weeks of school here and I've been bogged down with work. But I should be getting a little bit of a reprieve now.

I'm not a big fan of the no lynch, but I would say that it is more useful than a random kill if it seems there is no chance of reaching a majority. With a no lynch, we at least do not have the chance of a power role dying without warning. So if we approach the deadline and are not close to a majority, I for one will change my vote to no lynch. As of now, I don't think a no lynch vote is that useful - let's start feeling out the waters.

I'm going to vote for [glow=red,2,300]mcs[/glow] now for not giving a reason in voting for cosmic. Is it a random vote? Does he agree with Talya's reasoning? Does he have a reason of his own? Some sort of information with votes would be useful, especially when that person already has a vote or two on them with some sort of reasoning.

cosmicpanda · May 28, 2009

This is what I already said - why try to twist it and use it against me ???

I am famously against No Lynches - except for in the very few circumstances that they can save a random kill or in a few endgame scenarios. In our case, the random kill is still a possibility.

*snip*

I'll hold my vote for now.

Your first sentence says that, yes, and then the next three seem to be in favour of it.

You seem to be trying to edge the town towards a No Lynch.

Personally, I think that a random lynch is better than a no lynch, anyway, even if it does hit an innocent, because then the total pool of players is narrowed down some.

Talya · May 28, 2009

Well that is odd. Rose, comes in and says she agrees with Wes over the No Lynch, although he says that he would prefer a lynch. Hybrid says he wants a lynch and then votes for someone who hasn't been mentioned before. Thus spliting the votes even further.

I would agree with Nae on Jerans vote on Rose, why pick on her. However her no lynch vote has really made me suspicious of her.

As for Nae, I'm always suspicious of her, ;) A bit like I'm always suspicious of Vemy. She's a good player and tends to play the same no matter what her role is, and that makes her dangerous if she is on the mafia team. But I will try and push that aside. Her reaction to Jeran though, doesn't stand out to me. I'm sure that will come back and bite me on the butt!

Leelou · May 28, 2009

Vote Count:

cosmicpanda (3): CUBAREY, Talya, mcs0083

Wes (1): cosmicpanda

mnwhiterose (1): Jeran

NO LYNCH (1): mnwhiterose

Jeran (1): Naeann

mcs0083 (1): Hybrid

Not voting:

Sarayne, Nynaeve, Dark Justice, DPR (Wes), Liathiana, Verbal32, Blig Blog

8 votes for a majority. Deadline is 5:30 pm EST approx. 36 hours from now.

mcs0083 · May 28, 2009

Hi guys,

Sorry I'm a little late checking in. It's the last few weeks of school here and I've been bogged down with work. But I should be getting a little bit of a reprieve now.

I'm not a big fan of the no lynch, but I would say that it is more useful than a random kill if it seems there is no chance of reaching a majority. With a no lynch, we at least do not have the chance of a power role dying without warning. So if we approach the deadline and are not close to a majority, I for one will change my vote to no lynch. As of now, I don't think a no lynch vote is that useful - let's start feeling out the waters.

I'm going to vote for [glow=red,2,300]mcs[/glow] now for not giving a reason in voting for cosmic. Is it a random vote? Does he agree with Talya's reasoning? Does he have a reason of his own? Some sort of information with votes would be useful, especially when that person already has a vote or two on them with some sort of reasoning.

Well I agree with Tal. I guess I should have specified.

DPR · May 28, 2009

Okay - we have around 20 hours to pull this together. I think it is fair to say that on day on, there is very little chance of actually spotting and lynching a mafia. But we do get to see how everybody acts and we can start putting cases together - I'm just stating the obvious here because I don't think that there is a strong case against anyone right now. But, we will be better off if we lynch somebody.

So, I'll vote for [glow=red,2,300]Pandy[/glow].

I'm voting for him because he is our best chance to reach a majority vote, and because he is actively building a case against me (Which would be fine, but he is too aggressive for day 1 which tells me he may be working a plan. The quote below bothrs me because I thought he was kidding at first, but he seems to be serious about building a case out of nothing. That and I can't believe he said he's rather see a random kill over a No Lynch vote. :P That's pretty scummish. )

This is what I already said - why try to twist it and use it against me ???

I am famously against No Lynches - except for in the very few circumstances that they can save a random kill or in a few endgame scenarios. In our case, the random kill is still a possibility.

*snip*

I'll hold my vote for now.

Your first sentence says that, yes, and then the next three seem to be in favour of it.

You seem to be trying to edge the town towards a No Lynch.

Personally, I think that a random lynch is better than a no lynch, anyway, even if it does hit an innocent, because then the total pool of players is narrowed down some.

Having said all of that, I'll be checking back in during the day and if a No Lynch vote comes together, I'll support it to avoid a random kill.

Verbal32 · May 28, 2009

I have to agree with Wes - I'd rather not lose an innocent to a random modkill in the event we can't come to a majority. But, no one really stands out to me.

[glow=red,2,300]No Lynch[/glow]

[glow=red,2,300]Wes[/glow]

This, to me, looks like mnwhiterose and Wes are cooperating here. No Lynch is the worst possible situation for Day 1. Pandy is right, a random lynch is better. Why would the mafia want a random lynch? They have a chance of getting nailed. Yes, the Finder and Healer do as well, but as innocents we have the advantage of numbers. The mafia has a chance to get killed with a random lynch, but a free pass to give the town zero info with their NK if there is a No Lynch.

And this post supports my little theory that Wes and mnwhiterose are working together:

So, I'll vote for [glow=red,2,300]Pandy[/glow].

I'm voting for him because he is our best chance to reach a majority vote, and because he is actively building a case against me (Which would be fine, but he is too aggressive for day 1 which tells me he may be working a plan. The quote below bothrs me because I thought he was kidding at first, but he seems to be serious about building a case out of nothing. That and I can't believe he said he's rather see a random kill over a No Lynch vote. :P That's pretty scummish. )

This is what I already said - why try to twist it and use it against me ???

I am famously against No Lynches - except for in the very few circumstances that they can save a random kill or in a few endgame scenarios. In our case, the random kill is still a possibility.

*snip*

I'll hold my vote for now.

Your first sentence says that, yes, and then the next three seem to be in favour of it.

You seem to be trying to edge the town towards a No Lynch.

Personally, I think that a random lynch is better than a no lynch, anyway, even if it does hit an innocent, because then the total pool of players is narrowed down some.

Having said all of that, I'll be checking back in during the day and if a No Lynch vote comes together, I'll support it to avoid a random kill.

I've bolded 2 sections for emphasis.

First section: I disagree wholeheartedly here. The "scummish" (I hate that word for some unrealistic reason, lol) part is not wanting a random lynch - the suspicious part is actually being ok with a No Lynch. Therefore, I feel you are supporting the No Lynch, which I always vote for the person(s) supporting this on Day 1.

Second section: This is where mnwhiterose jumps in and puts action to the thoughts Wes had, and then Wes circles around behind to support his idea in the future. To me, this appears like 2 players subtely working the crowd. Just my $0.02.

DPR · May 28, 2009

Dude, think abiut what you are saying - two players (and more) are agreeing that we would rather see nobody get killed.

There are 15 players, which most likely means 3 mafia. That's about an 80% chance that an innocent will bite the dust. And we get no info.

Sure, a random kill could bag a mafia, but there's an equal chance that it would bag the finder, the healer, or another power role. Why take that chance on day 1?

I don't understand what you guys think you are getting at? I don't want to start up with day 1 conspiracy thoeries - but please explain how a random kill helps us?

cosmicpanda · May 28, 2009

There's more chance of a random kill hitting mafia than the finder/healer.

The random kill narrows down the list of suspects for the rest of the game.

I would rather have neither, and lynch you instead. :D

DPR · May 28, 2009

bleh :P

If you don't back up your claims with math, it just makes it look like you are trying to push people into believing something :P :P

15 players = 3 mafia (maybe 4 or a symp, etc.). If you have a Finder + a Healer + a likely Vig or Power role = 3 Power Roles - you see where I'm going with this...and you can't possibly be trying to imply that an innocent won't likely be killed.

And, when you and Verbal tag team me after you accuse me of working with someone, it just makes it look like you two are working together. :P :P :P

You're making it look like you two are working an aggressive plan to wipe out potential threats early in the game. I imagine you have cases worked up against Nae and Talya as well?

For those of you I have not played with before, Hi. I'm DPR (Wes). I'm a compulsive mafia poster. It's nice to meet you. heh

cosmicpanda · May 28, 2009

15 players = 3 mafia (maybe 4 or a symp, etc.).

really?

Naeann · May 28, 2009

Most generally yes Pandy.

cosmicpanda · May 28, 2009

Okay. Asking me to back up my point with maths when Wes can only speculate as well is rather meaningless, I think.

So it might be an even chance of hitting mafia or a power role. That's okay! The survival of power roles to the town is less important than getting rid of mafia.

DPR · May 28, 2009

I can't believe you are saying this stuff!

The power roles are the only advantage the innocents have! Losing one on day one IS NOT OKAY! This only benefits the mafia, which you already know.

And, I offered solid numbers and a very realistic scenario - don't try to compare your one worded answers to me calling you out on your posts.

I'm trying to figure out your angle, but I've not seen someone try this type of...er...approach. You ned to start making sense and stop trying to distract everybody with non-sensical debates.

DPR · May 28, 2009

Also, to bring things back on track -

We have about 28 hours left to come to a majority lynch or suffer a random mod kill - not much time to waste.

Hollywood 1940's Mafia! Game Over!

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