General Predictions 3rd age

[Mat_Cauthon13]

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  Hello, I'm new to this site and I wanted to see if some of the predictions I had are common place. I've read the series more times than I will admit and after 45 minutes of searching I have decided that a new post is called for. (sorry  :-\ ) I'll start with a few that I can remember and add more later. This post will be the ones I am confident about. (Please forgive any name spelling errors, I can't pronounce them correctly either)

 

- Moraine and Thom will become lovers after she is free of the snakes and foxes world. She told Elayne and Nynaeve, in the 2nd book, that she knew the face of the man she would marry and her and Thom have almost been flirting with each other in the first few books.

 

- Birgitte will find her soul mate in a nine year old boy named Olver. Remember that her taste run towards ugly men and because she was ripped out, she will be much older than him.

 

- Taim is a friend of the dark. When he said to his cronies (all dark friends) ",let the lord of chaos rule" that was not RJ being vague or misleading it was his way of stating that Taim is indeed a friend of the dark.

 

- Logain: Min's viewing of him, I believe, was not of him regaining the use of the one power but of him defeating Taim.

 

- Sheriam, Romanda and Lelaine: I'd bet 2 out of 3 of these girls are black ajah. The Black want the tower split and Sheriam is the one who started this gathering at Salidar. The other two might just be idiots like Elida but I'm betting one them is also Black.

 

-Alivia: Min had two viewings that are key to her. One, that she would help Rand die and the other was of Rand dead but somehow made of paper (the 2nd might be a dream of Egwene's) I believe Alivia will help fool the world in believing that Rand is dead.

 

-Rand will defeat Shai'tan using balefire. In doing so there will be no hole to be patched becuase Shai'tain never existed. This was foreshadowed in book 6, Lord Of Chaos, (chapter: A Taste of Solitude) I believe this chapter holds the key to how Rand wins a complete victory in AMoL. After Rand defeats Shai'tan he will say "I win again Shai'tan" If I'm right here, and I very much believe that I am  ;D ) the interesting part of that means that in some age, The Dark One has a complete victory. There are many times that the forsaken are told not to kill Rand because in order to get his complete victory the Dark One needs Rand (and probably Mat and Perrin) to become dark friends of the own free will. All other ages are partial victories for both sides.

 

 

 

[Jethro]

Quite a few are common theories. One thing though, is that RJ said that while Shaitan can be killed by balefire, it would quire such an enormous ammount that in killing Shaitan the entire Pattern would be disrupted. Think of the influence Shaitan has had; if everything he ever did no longer happened, Lews Therin wouldnt have broken the world and so things like Rand being born on Dragonmount wouldnt have happened. Everything that happened involving Shaitan would have no longer happened, and even the Wheel cannot rewrite history on that big a scale.

 

Regarding Logains glory, while he might kill Taim I dont think that is specifically his glory. Egwenes vision of a fake Rand included Logain stepping over that body, laughing maniacally. Now my thoughts on this are that in book 12 Demandred will imposter Rand at the Black Tower; however, Rand will have sent Logain there only to find "Rand" there, so he'll say "Hows the hand, boss?" Obviously Demandred doesnt know Rand is stumpy now so his Mask of Mirrors will include both hands, from this Logain discovers its an imposter and kills Demandred. Maybe this would lead up to the battle vs Taim, but I dont think its the main thing in Logains glory. I think the Taim vs. Logain is too typical, but it is of course a possibility.

 

I love the idea of Taim as a Darkfriend, he is my favorite character because of the way he is about it. He flaunts his allegiance, and Rand has only recently begun to suspect him. I think everything about Taims manner-like the way he casually mentions Demandred to Rand, his eagerness to do harm to Aes Sedai, his favorites recieving private lessons-everything fits so well for a Darkfriend laughing secretly right under Rands nose. Brilliant.

[Luckers]

  Hello, I'm new to this site and I wanted to see if some of the predictions I had are common place. I've read the series more times than I will admit and after 45 minutes of searching I have decided that a new post is called for. (sorry   ) I'll start with a few that I can remember and add more later. This post will be the ones I am confident about. (Please forgive any name spelling errors, I can't pronounce them correctly either)

 

That does seem a reasonable amount of time searching--it is always prefeable to reopen old threads if you can, but if you can't we do understand.

 

- Moraine and Thom will become lovers after she is free of the snakes and foxes world. She told Elayne and Nynaeve, in the 2nd book, that she knew the face of the man she would marry and her and Thom have almost been flirting with each other in the first few books.

 

If any more proof were needed than the multitude of visions and comments in the early books, Moiraines letter to 'her dearest Thom' should settle things.

 

Yes, Moiraine and Thom will end lovers provided one or the other doesn't die in aMoL.

 

- Birgitte will find her soul mate in a nine year old boy named Olver. Remember that her taste run towards ugly men and because she was ripped out, she will be much older than him.

 

Olver is not Gaidal Cain. I'm not sure how you couldn't find the other threads on it--there are many--but the long and short of it is RJ stated that Olver is not Gaidal, though you can deduce it yourself in looking at the times--Time between TAR and the Real world can flow differently, but it can never flow backwards. Olver was alive and kicking whilst we witness Gaidal still within the Dream World.

 

- Taim is a friend of the dark. When he said to his cronies (all dark friends) ",let the lord of chaos rule" that was not RJ being vague or misleading it was his way of stating that Taim is indeed a friend of the dark.

 

Definately. It's even very likely that he has been raised to the level of Chosen.

 

- Logain: Min's viewing of him, I believe, was not of him regaining the use of the one power but of him defeating Taim.

 

Also a comon belief... those most interpret it to mean more that after he defeats (or at least outs) Taim, Logain will become the leader of the Black Tower in the new Age.

 

-Alivia: Min had two viewings that are key to her. One, that she would help Rand die and the other was of Rand dead but somehow made of paper (the 2nd might be a dream of Egwene's) I believe Alivia will help fool the world in believing that Rand is dead.

 

The second was Egwene's dream, and it was about Logain, not Alivia.

 

That being said, we know that Alivia will not be helping Rand fake his death. By the various prophecies we know for a fact that Rand must, in some form, actually die. Simply faking it will not fulfil those prophecies.

 

There are several theories on what that implies, my own personal one is the Bodyswap. Have a read of it, even if you don't agree with it i think i successfully laid out all the various prophecies in it, it may help you with your own theories. It is here... http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,31778.0.html

 

-Rand will defeat Shai'tan using balefire. In doing so there will be no hole to be patched becuase Shai'tain never existed. This was foreshadowed in book 6, Lord Of Chaos, (chapter: A Taste of Solitude) I believe this chapter holds the key to how Rand wins a complete victory in AMoL. After Rand defeats Shai'tan he will say "I win again Shai'tan" If I'm right here, and I very much believe that I am   ) the interesting part of that means that in some age, The Dark One has a complete victory. There are many times that the forsaken are told not to kill Rand because in order to get his complete victory the Dark One needs Rand (and probably Mat and Perrin) to become dark friends of the own free will. All other ages are partial victories for both sides.

 

RJ directly stated that the amount of balefire required to destroy the Dark One would also unravel the Pattern and destroy existence.

[Thor]

If only 1 of those 3 AS you mentioned were to be non black, I would choose Romanda.  Don't ask me why, I can't remember anything about her even, but just a gut feeling.

[Mat_Cauthon13]

OK, first off, whoever first posed the question/prediction to RJ about killing The Dark One with balefire might have gotten a response that was a lie. If someone accurately predicted the end of his story, is he gonna say good job, you nailed it? Herid Fel said that at one time there was no patch on the dark one's prison, its whole. Also that it will be whole again. As far as balefire ending existence, your talking quantum physics and a paradox. I know next to nothing about this and what little I do know gives me a headache. Rand is suppose to save the world and break the world. "His blood on the rocks..." does not mean he has to die. What if in killing sha'tan with balefire, it causes his "evil" wound to break open and that becomes the seed for the dark one to become reborn. What if instead of balefire ending existence it causes a sort of breaking. Prophecy fulfilled. It's stated in one of the early books that Rand dieing is assumed. Rand's question to the snakes was how can I win and live? "To win and live you must die" Maybe Nynaeve figures out a way to cure death. Who knows? Mat is supposed to die again also, maybe when he gives up half the light of the world. Back to my point, if not balefire, how does the patch on the dark one's prison become whole? On a side note, if Olver is not gaidal cain, why did RJ make him so ugly. Thats just mean.

 

 

[Luckers]

RJ would have said RAFO if the question touches upon something upcoming. He's done it enough times that it wouldn't have any especial implications--back in the day some people tried to read into the rAFO's, its  pointless task.

 

RJ directly stated the amount of balefire required would unravel existence. He would not have lied.

[Cockta]

The Wheel of Time turns, and posts come and pass, leaving memories of old posts that become legend. Legend fades to myth and after 9000 posts, myth is long forgotten when the original post that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, new and updated predictions come riding with the wind are rears its ugly head.

 

The best sentences I have read in this thread :D

[GrandpaG]

I too, suspect Sheriam...no proof...just gut feeling.

But then, I'm the only person in DM who is NOT convinced that Taim is a darkfriend, so don't put any stock in my opinions.

 

45 minutes is not enough time...45 days, maybe...there's just way too much cool stuff here to go through it all and absorb it quickly...it has to be savored.  :)

[pxnsolid]

Birgitte will find her soul mate in a nine year old boy named Olver. Remember that her taste run towards ugly men and because she was ripped out, she will be much older than him.

 

but the long and short of it is RJ stated that Olver is not Gaidal,

 

we know Olver is not GC, but he does fit the mold of her ideal type, younger and ugly :P so while he isnt GC its still possible for her to fall for him anyways :P

[mithrandir2000]

In regards to Rand's fate at the last battle and the dual viewings of his death and "Paper Death," I think we are overlooking Lan's mysterious advice of "sheathing the Sword"

 

(At least that is how I remember him saying it)

 

 

Lan has brought this up on several occasions and there is no doubt that whatever this means, it will be used in a vital moment.

 

I believe it has something to do with a false death or getting a sword in the body. If so, it could be this move that fulfills the prophecies we speak of and ultimaelty lead to victory.

 

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[mb]

Moiraine and Thom becoming lovers; that could be likely.

 

Birgitte finding her soul mate in Olver; that is incorrect.  Olver is not Gaidal Cain; Robert Jordan told so, the comments are accessible through the FAQ Library.

 

Taim being a Darkfriend; that might be likely.  I would need to see Taim's thoughts for me to be certain.

 

Logain, Min's viewing is about future glory.  Leading the Ashaman could be one way it could be fulfilled; defeating Taim could be one means.  Leading the Ashaman I think would be certain; defeating Taim, less certain.

 

Sheriam, she is not Black Ajah.  This link discusses it:

http://linuxmafia.com/jordan/1_dark/1.5_blackornot/1.5.4_sheriam.html

Romanda or Lelaine, them being Black Ajah seems unlikely.

 

Alivia, Min's words to Rand were "she is going to kill you".  (Got these words from the Encyclopaedia site.)

 

Rand doing balefire on the Dark Lord, that might be probable.

One thing though, is that RJ said that while Shaitan can be killed by balefire, it would quire such an enormous ammount that in killing Shaitan the entire Pattern would be disrupted.

The enormous amount of One Power and entire Pattern disrupted would be only if it is for long periods of time.  It is doubtful that any sole channeler with even angreal and/or sa'angreal could achieve that amount.  I imagine not even any full circle of linking with angreal and sa'angreal could achieve enough One Power to do it.

I think just seconds of balefire (which any channeler would be able to achieve) would be enough.

 

[Tyrell]

I was leaning towards Lelaine as the BA in the rebel camp previously, but I'll keep an eye on things in my current reread.

[Luckers]

we know Olver is not GC, but he does fit the mold of her ideal type, younger and ugly  so while he isnt GC its still possible for her to fall for him anyways

 

Gaidal is actually always older, and Min had viewings linking future Birgitte with Gaidal again.

 

Besides wouldn't that be a bit... well... icky. I mean, she did have a hand in raising Olver. Mother-love much?

 

In regards to Rand's fate at the last battle and the dual viewings of his death and "Paper Death," I think we are overlooking Lan's mysterious advice of "sheathing the Sword"

 

 

Lan has brought this up on several occasions and there is no doubt that whatever this means, it will be used in a vital moment.

 

I believe it has something to do with a false death or getting a sword in the body. If so, it could be this move that fulfills the prophecies we speak of and ultimaelty lead to victory.

 

Sheathing the sword refers to allowing yourself to be killed in order to achieve your goal--its what Rand does when he allows Ba'alzamon to stab him in tGH in order that he be able to stab Ba'alzamon.

 

But it is not a false-death. Rand survived because of Lanfear's healing.

 

Sheriam, she is not Black Ajah.  This link discusses it

 

Lol, you sound like a Taraboner. I also don't believe Sheriam is a darkfriend, though i don't think it can be said fully.

 

Romanda or Lelaine, them being Black Ajah seems unlikely.

 

I disagree, i think signs are beginning to point at Lelaine. Her unpleasentness, despite Siuan's early statements that she was a nice woman--the way she shies back from Romanda's challange that she will be the first to submit herself to questoning to prove she is not a darkfriend, if Lelaine is second.

 

All circumstantial, but i thinks its there.

 

 

[Fryn]

we know Olver is not GC, but he does fit the mold of her ideal type, younger and ugly  so while he isnt GC its still possible for her to fall for him anyways

 

Gaidal is actually always older, and Min had viewings linking future Birgitte with Gaidal again.

 

Besides wouldn't that be a bit... well... icky. I mean, she did have a hand in raising Olver. Mother-love much?

 

Actually while bridgette says Cain is always older, Min's viewings show that in the future at least that Cain can be younger as well.

 

Auras danced around her and images flickered, more than Min had ever seen around anyone, thousands it seemed, cascading over one another. Those multitude of images and auras flashed by too quickly for her to make out any clearly, but she was certain they indicated more adventures than a woman could have in one lifetime. Strangely, some were connected to an ugly man who was older that she, and others to an ugly man who was much younger, yet somehow Min knew they were the same man.

[Pixiedragon]

Seeing the fact Min usually sees the future, perhaps up until this "time" Gaidal Cain was always older.

Though now Birgitte has been mercilessly ripped from TAR, the possibility that Birgitte can be older as well has come in existence?

Meh, not sure how to explain it...

[Tel Janin]

On the subject of Logain's 'Glory', I believe that Alivia will help Rand fake his death somehow, even to the point of stopping his heart, respirations, etc. in order to make everyone believe he is in fact dead.  Then, Logain will be acclaimed as the 'true' Dragon Reborn.  Hence, his glory.  I think Rand will then lead a strike at Shayol Ghul, using that stone dagger that Aviendha found which renders you undetectable to Shadowspawn (and maybe the Dark One himself?).

 

It has the same LotR symetry that the rest of the book contains so much of: a sneak attack into the lands of the Dark Lord, a huge battle used as merely a distraction, etc.

 

My two coppers...  ;D

[Thor]

On the issue of Birgitte and Gaidal, it's been explicitly stated in the books that throughout their reincarnations, there has been many times when Gaidal was far younger than Birgitte.

 

But Olver is not Gaidal so stop talking about it, seems like one of those annoying things that will never die >_<

[GrandpaG]

Elayne will have one male child and one female child.  The boy will be terribly ugly.  Birgitte will love both children, but especially the boy.  He will be raised as first prince (or whatever it's called) to the new princess of Andor.  Birgitte will be his mentor until he's old enough for more romantic stuff.

 

How old is Birgitte right now?  ::)

[mb]

Elayne will have one male child and one female child.  The boy will be terribly ugly.  Birgitte will love both children, but especially the boy.  He will be raised as first prince (or whatever it's called) to the new princess of Andor.  Birgitte will be his mentor until he's old enough for more romantic stuff.

 

How old is Birgitte right now?  ::)

 

Gaidal Cain reborn cannot be either of Elayne's babies.  He is both older & younger than Birgitte.  Older in the sense that he came out first; younger in the sense that he came out as a baby and Birgitte as an adult.  Birgitte's age to me seems uncertain, but I am certain it is some adult age.

[pxnsolid]

Strangely, some were connected to an ugly man who was older that she, and others to an ugly man who was much younger, yet somehow Min knew they were the same man.

 

There I go misremembering things again, thank you :P Not always younger, but sometimes, so there :P and I wasnt saying anything leaning towards Olver being GC, just he fits some of the mold in what she finds attractive. As for a ahnd in raising him? not really, just a short time during the trip and possibly bits and pieces while Mat is in the palace.

[erickm001]

But then, I'm the only person in DM who is NOT convinced that Taim is a darkfriend, so don't put any stock in my opinions.

 

Yes! I'm not convinced either. He's too obvious. It would be a great twist to have him turn out to be a good-guy in AMOL.

 

He's like Elaida -- nasty, unpleasant, cruel, arrogant, but not a dark friend.

 

 

[lordofsoup]

is Verin She was mentioned in Moraine's letter to rand along with alviarin and there was one section where I was suspicious in a prologue I think

 

I assume that there are some amazing ter angreal in the Tower that Aviehenda will discover

 

Will they put bBriggitte back in the dream world at the end or will she be allowed to live and die

@can she age?

[Leopoled Boothe]

But then, I'm the only person in DM who is NOT convinced that Taim is a darkfriend, so don't put any stock in my opinions.

 

Yes! I'm not convinced either. He's too obvious. It would be a great twist to have him turn out to be a good-guy in AMOL.

 

He's like Elaida -- nasty, unpleasant, cruel, arrogant, but not a dark friend.

 

 

 

Well then that makes three of us.  I also am not completely convinced that Taim is a DF.  I could see RJ pulling some twist where there is some alternate explanation to Taim's seemingly shady actions.  In fact a few months ago I remember seeing a thread on this site that offered some pretty good alternate explanations.

 

Oh and Taim is much, much cooler than Elaida.  How dare you even compare the two (LOL).

[zzyzx_scarecrow]

But then, I'm the only person in DM who is NOT convinced that Taim is a darkfriend, so don't put any stock in my opinions.

 

Yes! I'm not convinced either. He's too obvious. It would be a great twist to have him turn out to be a good-guy in AMOL.

 

He's like Elaida -- nasty, unpleasant, cruel, arrogant, but not a dark friend.

 

 

 

Well then that makes three of us.  I also am not completely convinced that Taim is a DF.  I could see RJ pulling some twist where there is some alternate explanation to Taim's seemingly shady actions.  In fact a few months ago I remember seeing a thread on this site that offered some pretty good alternate explanations.

 

Oh and Taim is much, much cooler than Elaida.  How dare you even compare the two (LOL).

 

Have you guys not read the last three books?  Taim is a darkfriend - associating with known darkfriends, ordering them to kill Rand, etc.

[Fryn]

The only issue in my mind is if he joined the shadow freely or if he was forced by 13 BA and myrandraal. I would bet at least one channeler we know was converted, and so far we aren't sure who. It was brought up multiple times, so it would be kind of odd if it wasn't used.