Mat and the Darkhound attack in Rhuidean

[seiferguy]

I was curious as to what everyone's opinion is on this. When the darkhounds attack mats room in Rhuidean in book 5, it is said he is slobbered on, and that the slobber kills. Rand than comes and saves the day with balefire. Was mat dead, but than brought back because of the balefire?

[Majsju]

No, he did not die. Letheal as the saliva may be, it does not kill instantly. Had Rand not used balefire, Mat would not have had much time left though.

[mb]

The scene does not talk of Mat dying.

Like Majsju told, death from a darkhound is not instant. And yes; without Rand's balefire, Mat would not have much time.

 

[42Bonzo88]

    Right after Rand disposes of the darkhounds, Mat (after getting decent I believe) tried to make a joke of he thought that he saw or dreamt some dogs and that one had slobbered on him and that it itched. You might be mistaking his confusion of what had happened and being dead and brought back to life.

 

Hope this helps.

[vasu619]

Well Mat is definitely indebted to Rand then, brought back to life twice!

[Hybrid]

Well Mat is definitely indebted to Rand then, brought back to life twice!

Well, I'm not arguing that Mat is indebted to Rand, but he's only been brought back to life from death by Rand once in Caemlyn.  Both the Darkhound and the hanging incidents saved him, but didn't bring him back to life, just prevented him from dying.

[vasu619]

     Right after Rand disposes of the darkhounds, Mat (after getting decent I believe) tried to make a joke of he thought that he saw or dreamt some dogs and that one had slobbered on him and that it itched. You might be mistaking his confusion of what had happened and being dead and brought back to life.

 

Hope this helps.

 

I was replying to if this was true, lol.

[Blightmaster]

ok yeah after he went into the ter'angreal(sp?) in rhuidean and met the fox ppl( forgot actualy name of them) he did die, remember he went into the thing it lasted like 20 min., not sure how long he walked the hallway then it went to rand duin his ancestor flashbacks and when he came out mat was hanging from the tree with the memories/medalion/spear thing and brought him back to life they came out(after bubble of evil battle with sandmen) and were told they'd been in for seven days, which means mat was hanging from that tree for 6 days or so dead, thats what i presumed anyway and that fulfilled the you will die then come back to life profecy, the darkhound thing was as previously explained drool not kill right away balefire change time or w/e and mat fixed

 

and yes he owes rand like a mofo

[Majsju]

Mat did not die when he was hanged from the tree.

 

Seven days had passed on the outside, but time passes differently among the finns, which means Mat would only have hanged for a few minutes. Not long enough to die. If he had died, there is no way Rands homemade cpr would have brought him back to life.

 

The prophecy about Mat dying then living again was fulfilled when he died in Caemlyn, and was brought back by Rand balefiring Rahvin, this has been confirmed by RJ.

[The Fisher King]

Mat did not die when he was hanged from the tree.

 

Seven days had passed on the outside, but time passes differently among the finns, which means Mat would only have hanged for a few minutes. Not long enough to die. If he had died, there is no way Rands homemade cpr would have brought him back to life.

 

The prophecy about Mat dying then living again was fulfilled when he died in Caemlyn, and was brought back by Rand balefiring Rahvin, this has been confirmed by RJ.

 

Exactly. He was in very, very poor condition however - very difficult to locate a pulse, heartbeat or breathing, but they WERE there and Rand performed CPR - ... ... however, that makes me wonder: CPR? On Mat? Why didn't Rand just Heal him?

 

I also STILL wonder (regarding the scene in Mat's tent about Mat ITCHING ...*AFTER* The Dragon BFed. BF is suppose to make things have NOT happened. Mat should NOT have been itching AFTERWARDS.

 

DUM DUM DUM!!! Even Mr Jordan was not perfect, folks ;)

 

 

 

Fish

[Terez]

Exactly. He was in very, very poor condition however - very difficult to locate a pulse, heartbeat or breathing, but they WERE there and Rand performed CPR - ... ... however, that makes me wonder: CPR? On Mat? Why didn't Rand just Heal him?

Rand actually considered that, but then realized he was more likely to kill Mat than Heal him as he still had no clue what he was doing at that point. Even now, he's not much of a Healer.

 

I also STILL wonder (regarding the scene in Mat's tent about Mat ITCHING ...*AFTER* The Dragon BFed. BF is suppose to make things have NOT happened. Mat should NOT have been itching AFTERWARDS.

There was still a drop left after the balefire. Moiraine said if it had been any more than a drop, he'd be dead.

 

In other words, RJ does make mistakes, but Dragonmounters make many more.

[Cybertrolloc]

Seven days had passed on the outside, but time passes differently among the finns, which means Mat would only have hanged for a few minutes.

Isn't there a mention (thinking ACoS) that Mat was held in Finnland for a time? There's nothing in tSR about them being in the doorway in Tear for significantly longer than they'd expect after all, and it'd probably make the ToM timeline worse :)

 

Yah, the die and live again part turned out a bit lame, and perhaps there's a point, but I with all the balefire being tossed around it doesn't seem that other sources of prophecy have a problem with that.

[The Fisher King]

Exactly. He was in very, very poor condition however - very difficult to locate a pulse, heartbeat or breathing, but they WERE there and Rand performed CPR - ... ... however, that makes me wonder: CPR? On Mat? Why didn't Rand just Heal him?

Rand actually considered that, but then realized he was more likely to kill Mat than Heal him as he still had no clue what he was doing at that point. Even now, he's not much of a Healer.

 

I also STILL wonder (regarding the scene in Mat's tent about Mat ITCHING ...*AFTER* The Dragon BFed. BF is suppose to make things have NOT happened. Mat should NOT have been itching AFTERWARDS.

There was still a drop left after the balefire. Moiraine said if it had been any more than a drop, he'd be dead.

 

In other words, RJ does make mistakes, but Dragonmounters make many more.

 

 

Not certain if the characteristically unnecessarily snide innuendo was implied towards me, but I can assure you, *I* did not make a mistake either. Even ''a drop'' should not have been left after BF - Especially after a BF Stream Channeled by the Dragon ... Sometimes reading more closely helps too ;-)

 

 

- Fish

[Orderofolde]

Exactly. He was in very, very poor condition however - very difficult to locate a pulse, heartbeat or breathing, but they WERE there and Rand performed CPR - ... ... however, that makes me wonder: CPR? On Mat? Why didn't Rand just Heal him?

Rand actually considered that, but then realized he was more likely to kill Mat than Heal him as he still had no clue what he was doing at that point. Even now, he's not much of a Healer.

 

I also STILL wonder (regarding the scene in Mat's tent about Mat ITCHING ...*AFTER* The Dragon BFed. BF is suppose to make things have NOT happened. Mat should NOT have been itching AFTERWARDS.

There was still a drop left after the balefire. Moiraine said if it had been any more than a drop, he'd be dead.

 

In other words, RJ does make mistakes, but Dragonmounters make many more.

 

 

Not certain if the characteristically unnecessarily snide innuendo was implied towards me, but I can assure you, *I* did not make a mistake either. Even ''a drop'' should not have been left after BF - Especially after a BF Stream Channeled by the Dragon ... Sometimes reading more closely helps too ;-)

 

 

- Fish

Fish, Balefire burns back a certain amount of time, the stronger the balefire, the longer back. If the Darkhound was slobbering on him for a few seconds, Rand's Balefire wasn't too strong so it burned the beast out of the pattern back to the point where the first drop of slobber fell. Let's chill with the insult and offense taken.

[Arkane101]

 

Not certain if the characteristically unnecessarily snide innuendo was implied towards me, but I can assure you, *I* did not make a mistake either. Even ''a drop'' should not have been left after BF - Especially after a BF Stream Channeled by the Dragon ... Sometimes reading more closely helps too ;-)

 

 

- Fish

 

He used a very limited amount of the power in the BF since he didn't want to hit Mat, therefore it only undid the existence of the darkhound for a number of seconds meaning a darkhound had still slobbered a little bit on Mat, lol slobber.

[Luckers]

FK, the description of the scene was that the balefire removed the dogs back far enough that they had not completely chewed through thr door, but they had still reached it, and begun chewing through, the damage enough that through a crack a drop of saliva may have, and did, still reach Mat. The full exposure was removed, but the Darkhounds thread did not go back far enough to stop all of the exposure Mat suffered.

 

And no more snide comments from anyone.

[Terez]

How many Dragonmounters does it take to answer a question?

 

And no more snide comments from anyone.

I think my response was less snide than his original comment, especially seeing as how he was wrong on both counts. (Just saying.)

[Luckers]

I think this question has been answered.