Aviendha's hate for Rand

[sillyman]

Did Aviendha ever really hate Rand or was it just an attempt to drive him away (a common theme among the male characters especially) to avoid incurring toh to Elayne if so it seems she did a crap job because she refused all efforts to escape the duty of Rands teacher

[Swigaro]

She was sort of in a bind.  She was an apprentice.  If a Wise One tells her to do something, she does it.  There was no way to get out of the duty as Rand's teacher.  She was truly angry at her self, for being to weak to resist her feelings.  Of course, she displaced this anger onto Rand.  There is, as they say, a fine line between love and hate.

[trakand_01]

I believe that to begin with yes, Aviendha strongly disliked Rand. He was a 'wetlander' who was playing at being the Car'a'Carn and being Mr Big with no knowledge or understanding of his own heritage or how to behave in Aiel custom. Aiel take their custom very strongly.

 

She was put in place by force, and developed an attraction for him which I think she blamed HIM for. Later I believe she begins to dislike herself because of her betrayal of Elayne.

 

I dont believe she ever hated Rand, but I believe she resented him, and later blamed him.

[Sabio]

Don't think she ever truely hated him, she was caught betweem custom and her oath to watch him for Elayne.  She tried to drive him away thus preventing the visons she saw in the rings.

 

She couldn't escape being his teacher since she was told to do it.  Seems to me at leat one of the Wise Ones must of seen or had a vision to put Rand and her togehter.

[Ashaman Kovan]

I think it mostly has to do with what Avi saw in the rings of Rhuidean. She is obviously a very independent person and does not want to think that anything might be decided for by a higher power. I think she must have seen that it was a very strong possibility that she would end up with Rand and she resented being "forced" into it by the wheel/pattern. I think that pretty much fueled her hate for rand. Hence when they finally hook up and she says something to the effect of "I can run from it no longer, I can run from you no longer". That about sums that up.

[Spirit1025]

I got the feeling that the Wise Ones were trying to push Aviendha into a relationship with Rand. They never came out and said it publicly, but they say a lot of things hinting at it. They made her sleep in his room at night; that doesn't make sense if they only want her to teach him--why could she not go to her own when he went to sleep? I think they were hoping that she would end up in his bed.

 

It makes sense; it would tie Rand to the Aiel, and perhaps make him have such strong love for them that he would be more careful not to destroy them. If that was the case, Aviendha resented that a lot, since she already was angry over being forced to give up the spear and become an apprentice, so she was harboring negative feelings for the Wise Ones, and she also did not want to be married, especially to a wetlander.

 

I also agree that she saw something about it in Rhuidean.

[Cabriana]

Avi didn't like Rand at first because she thought he was being a jerk to Elayne. Aiel don't look at relationships the way the Randlanders do. If you and your friend like the same guy, you become first sisters and you both lay a bridal wreath at his feet.

 

When Avi first went into Rhuidean, she was still hell bent on being a Maiden. Going into Rhuidean and discovering her future with Rand had to have pissed her off. She didn't want to be a wise one, she didn't want a husband and she didn't want babies (1 or 4).

 

 

 

[Luckers]

I look at the whole thing like Aviendha is a twelve year old. She liked Rand, but didn't know how to deal with it, and isn't quite over the 'boys are icky' phase, so she kicked him in the knee--or, rather, she hounded him about Elayne. Rhuidean just made it worse.

 

Her anger and rage was at herself, she just focused it on him.

[GrandpaG]

And besides all that, the Chosen told her she had to stay close to him.

Probably the same Chosen who ordered her to eliminate Asmodean.  ;D

[Mr Ares]

Probably the same Chosen who ordered her to eliminate Asmodean.  ;D

Did that Chosen tell her to run around in front of him without him knowing via a needlessly circuitous route, or was that her own contribution to the plan?

[Sabio]

Choosen didn't have her kill Asmo, she killed him for spreading the rumors about her and Rand when they vanished.  ;D

[Mr Ares]

Choosen didn't have her kill Asmo, she killed him for spreading the rumors about her and Rand when they vanished.   ;D

Still doesn't explain why he walked away from her, only for her to get up, run around in front of him without him noticing, only to "stab him in the front", as it were. Why not just walk up behind him?

[Luckers]

Perhaps she killed him because he and Rand had a thing--i mean, there had to be rumors going on about all their 'private time'.

 

:p

[dmanmiller34]

And besides all that, the Chosen told her she had to stay close to him.

Probably the same Chosen who ordered her to eliminate Asmodean.  ;D

 

Are you implying that Avienda is a dark friend? This is not an asmo's death theroy I have heard before.

[GrandpaG]

Looks like my horseplay has turned a perfectly respectable thread into something horribly wrong...sorry...just having a little "old man's" fun.

:-[

[Sabio]

Choosen didn't have her kill Asmo, she killed him for spreading the rumors about her and Rand when they vanished.   ;D

Still doesn't explain why he walked away from her, only for her to get up, run around in front of him without him noticing, only to "stab him in the front", as it were. Why not just walk up behind him?

 

Probably some Aiel thing about "stabbing in the back".  He is a wetlander and Aiel are always bragging how well they run.  Maybe stabbing Rand's court bard in the back means having toh towards Rand.  Plus Asmo was boozing it up.  Those aiel are all werid.

[Ashaman Kovan]

PLEASE tell me you're joking.

[Mr Ares]

Choosen didn't have her kill Asmo, she killed him for spreading the rumors about her and Rand when they vanished.   ;D

Still doesn't explain why he walked away from her, only for her to get up, run around in front of him without him noticing, only to "stab him in the front", as it were. Why not just walk up behind him?

Probably some Aiel thing about "stabbing in the back".  He is a wetlander and Aiel are always bragging how well they run.  Maybe stabbing Rand's court bard in the back means having toh towards Rand.  Plus Asmo was boozing it up.  Those aiel are all werid.

Of course! Now it all makes sense. So, because Asmo was spreading rumours about Avi and Rand, these rumours being design to help defuse the rumours that are already starting to spread about him and Rand, which was damaging his pull with the ladies, Avi decides to kill Asmo, but because of ji'e'toh is forced to do this in a needlessly overcomplicated way. Glad we could sort that out.

 

PLEASE tell me you're joking.

How could we joke about something as serious as this?

[Sabio]

It so clear now, don't see how I didn't catch it first time I read the books. 

[GrandpaG]

She came right out and told Kadere that he was not alone (not the only Chosen puppet in the camp).

 

And,

yes...I am joking.

Look up the old, old Gwampy thread "Would I lie to you?" for more details.  ;D

 

edit:

Sometimes it's fun to "plant a seed and watch it grow".

Come back a couple of months from now.

Don't be surprised to have it be common knowledge that Avi was the darkfriend who told Kadere that he was not alone.

I'm surprised that nobody but me suspects Min as not being what she appears to be...she's just too good to be real...exactly what Rand thinks he needs to be able to keep his sanity...exactly the kind of woman who always ends up breaking a trusting man's heart.

Ever heard of the body swap theory?

Or using TR to trade souls?

Did Graendal order Asmo killed?

A lot of stuff has been dreamed up, hashed over, refined, polished and accepted as truth that started as someone's suggestion...with time, the original suggestion is long faded into oblivion and the new fact is all that remains...since this is fantasy and not reality, "no harm done"...it's all for fun...it's not real...keep your eyes open for Avi being a darkfriend like Taim (who is not, by the way...you've been purposely set up and don't realize it)...you might forget where the seed was planted and only be able to see the giant tree giving you shade from the sun...I will remember the seed. >:D

[RAND AL THOR]

Ok, I have the next potential darkfriend:

 

 

The Dragon Reborn

:o :o :o :o :o :o

 

 

[GrandpaG]

Ok, I have the next potential darkfriend:

 

 

The Dragon Reborn

:o :o :o :o :o :o

 

 

 

 

Ishy told him that there had been times in other turnings of the Wheel that the dragon had chosen to side with the Dark One, and this game isn't over yet.  Maybe "A Memory Of Light" infers that the shadow will win and that there will be nothing left of the Light but strange, faint memories that fade with time until the age returns in a later turning of the Wheel?  In the game with the Fisher (Rand was the Fisher being manipulated by the Dark One and the Creator) could it be considered a "game" if the deck was stacked so the Light always won and the Shadow never did?  In our present day turning of the wheel, who is in control...the Light or the Shadow?  ::)  ???

[Hybrid]

Ok, I have the next potential darkfriend:

 

 

The Dragon Reborn

:o :o :o :o :o :o

 

 

 

 

Ishy told him that there had been times in other turnings of the Wheel that the dragon had chosen to side with the Dark One, and this game isn't over yet.  Maybe "A Memory Of Light" infers that the shadow will win and that there will be nothing left of the Light but strange, faint memories that fade with time until the age returns in a later turning of the Wheel?  In the game with the Fisher (Rand was the Fisher being manipulated by the Dark One and the Creator) could it be considered a "game" if the deck was stacked so the Light always won and the Shadow never did?  In our present day turning of the wheel, who is in control...the Light or the Shadow?  ::)  ???

 

Now that would be a good twist.

[Mr Ares]

In our present day turning of the wheel, who is in control...the Light or the Shadow?  ::)  ???

Neither. The Illuminati. The Light, of course, not the Illuminati, that would just be ridiculous.

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[Hybrid]

Neither. The Illuminati. The Light, of course, not the Illuminati, that would just be ridiculous.

Mr Ares, a well-known Dragonmount poster, was yesterday found dead in his house, cause of death being a bullet wound in his stomach.  Mr Ares had apparently died slowly, as he had time to write "The Illuminati did it" in his own blood on the wall.  There was a strikethrough over his words, and below were the words, "Of course the Illuminati was not responsible for this random act of violence."  In smaller letters were the words "« Last Edit: September 20, 2008, 03:45:01 PM by the Illuminati »."

 

The above story is completely false and should be disregarded.  The Illuminati are not and have never been responsible for random acts of violence or censorship.

 

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