Medieval Mafia--with a Twist! Game OVER

[Thorum]

I forgot my own vote in the votecount:

A votecount:

 

Gerrendus (1): cosmicpanda

Kivam (1): Tigara

Tigara (11): Vemynal, Leelou, DPR, Kryos, mayleigh, Nae, chilli, krugster, dark justice, moghedien, barmy

Barmy (2): Nynaeve, Gerrendus

DPR (1): Thorum

 

12 to lynch

 

I think this is the first reasoned out vote. If still possible, think about it before shooting tigs.

[Kryos]

I cannot b'lieve ye Thorum. Ye would want t' vote fer me? But I be me. That be nay nice at all. I be goin' t' be havin' t' bawl now o'er that one. At least I can say nay one has voted fer me yet. I be havin' that goin' fer me. An' th' fact that nay one can has nothin' t' do wi' 't, I swear.

[Thorum]

It looks like I made a little mistake: Kivam unvoted (and he was the first to vote Tigs). This moves everyone up one spot, and places DPR on the #1 spot for evility (is that even a word?).

 

Also, Faec Dreythorn has yet to make an appearance. This makes you a much-too-easy victim for the mafia, and if you survive, a probable mafia yourself. So, for your own sake as well as ours: give a sign of life.

[Nynaeve]

lol i'm an ashkenazi too, what's your point? Still doesn't make emes a word, though  :P

 

I stick to Barm. Again, I've given a reasonning that yes, sometimes isn't true. But I have a gut feeling and i'm sticking to it.

 

 

 

Nyn

[DPR]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote tigara[/glow]

 

That bandwagon went way way way too fast, especially having been started by a random revenge vote.  I have a bad feeling about this.

 

Uh-oh. Now I've seen some bad weather in my day, and recognize the signs to be able to tell that a storm's a comin'!

 

And I'm not feeling so good about this. Kivy first posts with a request to vire Loreina,  which makes sense - we have a dangreous character called the Jester and Loreina's post restriction is to tell jokes. Other than a finder going on a wild hunch, this is as good a place to start as any.

 

And everyone knows it's not a lock - I have to talk like an old man in this game and Kryos get's to talk like a pirate.

 

But back to the examination...So Kivy has a good point. Then, he points out that Kryos is suspicious for not wanting toview Loreina. Then, he votes for Tigara. Again, I agreed with this logic and said so. We're still good. But a little later, after Tigs has not even defended himself, I go ahed and vote for him too. Seems the most suspicious candidate at this point (besides Kryos, who is lynchproof). Vemy contines to act strange, and he has to act like a cat - but does he have to be a cat that can't defend himself? The bandwagon picks up steam here, but for good reason. Vemy's behavior could be that of a mafia that got called early and he has no defense other than to act calm. And we have been told that time limits will be imposed, so if you want to vote, best to go ahead and do that.

 

But, then Kivy unvotes. He gives no reason other than he does not like bandwagons? What about Tigs strange behavior? That didn't really change. He's still a prime suspect for a first day lynch.

 

Which brings up the possibility that an early attempt at steering the game is in effect?

Kivam sofar:

1. Finder, investigate Loreina tonight.

2. Kryos is looking suspicious

3. Vote Tigs.- He sticks out as being suspicious

4. Unvote Tigs-Because bandwagons are not good

 

Looks a bit like a subtle push here and a string-pull there. You wouldn't happen to be trying to influence the direction of the game would you?

 

Or maybe you are just active, which is good. But I'd feel better if you would qualify that unvote a little more.

 

And Thorum. He never liked me..... :(  But at least he's using some logic. Meh.

 

 

 

 

[Thorum]

And Thorum. He never liked me..... :(  But at least he's using some logic. Meh.

 

It's nothing personal.

 

you haven't chosen which pm to receive.

[DPR]

 

Just so you know, Tigs is a dude, and And I don't get the "which pm to receive" thing. Did I miss something?

[Thorum]

If you're evil, you are because you got a pm saying you are; if you are not, you got one saying you ain't.

 

And tigara, ...

 

 

 

sorry

[DPR]

 

Ahhhhh...I see. Building on the nothing personal statement. Which I should have put together, but the caffeine levels were running a bit low. I have since remedied the situation.

 

*smacks gums and looks for dentures*

[Naeann]

You sat on them gramps.

 

 

I love to read.

[DPR]

"That's right darlin'. Dern things always come back to bite me in the ***!"

[Kryos]

Me lookin' suspicious be nothin' new. I always look suspicious. I be havin' a bad habit o' lettin' me bung hole talk before me brain tells 't what t' say. But then that`s nothin' new now be 't? An' DPR, if I could, I`d trade ye, do ye reckon how hard 'tis t' talk like this?

[Vemynal]

Tigara (10): Leelou, DPR, Kryos, mayleigh, Nae, chilli, krugster, dark justice, moghedien, barmy

Barmy (2): Nynaeve, Gerrendus

DPR (2): Thorum, vemynal

Gerrendus (1): cosmicpanda

Kivam (1): Tigara

 

12 to lynch

 

ok so I [glow=red,2,300]unvote tigs[/glow] and I completely agree with thorum's logic. Cides, I hate to say this guys but isn't dpr acting like he always does when he's evil? trying to get everyone to double guess and swaying the argument to multiple people other then himself? I mean I know thats vaguly what all evils do but if you've played a game with him as evil I'm sure you can spot this. I vote [glow=red,2,300]Dpr[/glow]

 

we have little time till friday guys, I know tigs acted strange but dpr's being almost classic mafia imo.

 

And I agree about kryos as well, but I still think dpr is acting more evil then even kryos

[Loreina]

Vemy contines to act strange, and he has to act like a cat - but does he have to be a cat that can't defend himself?

 

DPR, Vemy's not the kitty, Tig is.  ;)

 

So, just for being so confusing, [glow=red,2,300]DPR[/glow] . I guess.  :-\

 

Sorry Kryos! If I could put you out of your misery, I would. I know how hard it is, 'cause I did it in the Ninja vs Pirates newbie Mafia game. And a view of me would indeed be a waste, cause I'm an innocent.  :) 

[DPR]

*chuckles at DJ* I reckon it's more work than building old Jefferson's barn!" *

 

My mistake Lor, Tiggy is the kitty. And is still acting strange imo.

 

Because we have a few newer players, I would like to take this oppurtunity to introduce the concept of meta-gaming. Observe Vemy's post above: Whenever a post is made that refers to past games, and not necessarily to the game you are currently playing, that is meta-gaming.

 

Meta-gaming is a frowned upon technique because everyone has a "playing-style", and it is unavoidable that you would compare this style in a current game to past games. Thus, you wind up not paying attention to the hard evidence in front of you, and instead focus on imaginary evidence that only applies to past games.

 

Say I had posted this earlier: "Kivam is doing it again! He's wrapped up four or five players in different actions and is trying to sway the game without being really clear why. He's famous for this, so he must be mafia!" That would be meta-gaming. So, I instead reference specific posts and invite Kivam to explain his opinions. I did not say I thought he was mafia, just that being mafia might motivate actions similar to his. I did not vote, looking for an opportunity to start a bandwagon or to take votes away from another bandwagon.

 

Thorum voted for me because I was the third vote on a growing bandwagon. This can be looked at as an easy place for a mafioso to "hide". He even said that the fourth vote, Kryos, was an even more suspicious vote, but we can't vote for Kryos.

 

So, Vemy, do you have any examples of posts you want me to explain? I've tried to be clear in my reasoning, but I'm happy to clear anything up.

 

Or do you want to cast shadows over players like myself because they are active, and accuse them with no real evidence becasue you are evil yourself, and you are well aware of what you are trying to pull off? You are more than capable of pulling it off ;)

 

 

[DPR]

*looks around for glasses.Remembers he does not where glasses*

 

Players usually stay as far away from it as they can becasue meta-gaming almost always works to the evil's advantage.

 

Something else that just struck me odd. How is it that I make an observation about Kivam, and then all of the sudden I am trying to confuse people?

Thorum's voting logic is not that solid, it's just a random technique to use when there is nothing else to go on during the first day.

 

But watching Vemy rise to possibly take a little heat off of my observation of Kivam,  after laying a little groundwork with a 'I worship Kivam' statement could be seen as a little susipcious.  

[Mayleigh Aes Sedai]

I dont know any more its just very confuseing so im going to [glow=red,2,300]UN VOTE[/glow] for now and have a read back and see it I can get a better handel on things!

 

oh and dpr how you explained meta gameing there well it just wanted to make me swoon *smoches*  :-*

[Vemynal]

first things first: *hands out elect vemy for president pamphlet's to everyone but DPR*

I don't think he will be wanting one

 

 

meta-gaming is frowned upon yes but is also known to have won just as many games as lost, and don't forget that we have no hard evidence yet, simply statements that can be skewed one way or another as I've pointed out you've been doing.

 

and yes dpr, I am more then capable of skewing evidence, thats why when I see you doing it I pick it up right away.

 

And dpr, its not what your saying, but the way you are saying it and how you go about the game that I'm referencing.

 

for example

Or do you want to cast shadows over players like myself because they are active, and accuse them with no real evidence because you are evil yourself, and you are well aware of what you are trying to pull off? You are more than capable of pulling it off

 

lets dissect the way you said this:

Or do you want to cast shadows over players like myself

here you seem to be insinuating that I'm ominous and that I'm putting you in danger, which is entirely correct since I am voting for you but you're also giving the impression that I'm being the bully by supporting the vote on you. Another thing is that you began your sentence with "or" giving the impression that my vote for you has to be an ulterior motive just because I choose not to bring up posts that you will only explain away and squander time.

 

 

because they are active,

Who says I'm trying to vote for you because your active? yes because you've been a little active till thorum voted you thorum was able to come up with his points and I do agree with those points. And if you hadn't been active he wouldn't have been able to make those points. But I'm not attacking you because your active but because I think your acting oddly.

 

and accuse them with no real evidence because you are evil yourself,

DPR, there is no solid evidence yet, solid evidence is death revealed information in a coroner finder game, even finder viewings aren't 100%. And I voted you because I think your acting odd, yes not real evidence but then again a bandwagon vote doesn't have to be evil, simply not informed. here you tried linking my "not having evidence" with "being evil" two things that do not always, and in fact rarely, co-inside.

 

and you are well aware of what you are trying to pull off?

Again he is trying to give the impression that I have an ulterior motive then rather just going off the opinion I have and from what i've seen. Notice how this whole sentence that I've been taking apart has been hinting, blatantly saying,. and now comes to the point that I'm evil and should not be trusted. The same way he has been discrediting kivam from being trusted and thorum.

 

You are more than capable of pulling it off

And here he cements his position that I am a threat to the innocent team, that i am capable of deceit and that I should never be trusted.

 

Dpr, you yourself have meta-gamed before to kill the mafia and the innocent team, you yourself have proven yourself to be dangerous one way or another in this game. And just because I shouldn't be trusted, doesn't mean that you should be trusted.

 

heck, as we have seen with the illuminator's game and bcxanth's WT game you can't even trust your own mason teams (for those who don't know, masons are innocent members who can talk to each other outside of the thread).

 

also DPR; "'I worship Kivam'" was not what I said, but I think it was more along the lines as I once again return to the position as his pet. A *joke* between me and kivam that started in your first illuminator's game when i agreed with everything he said and then he acuesed me of being evil before because I voted for him instead of being his slave and following every word he said.

 

Face it DPR, you're reaching and stretching to make me, kivam and thorum look as suspicious as possible but your doing the exact same things that your accusing us of doing.

 

cept the meta-gaming, thats just me^^

[DPR]

 

meta-gaming is frowned upon yes but is also known to have won just as many games as lost,

 

Dude, no way. Mafia are the only ones that win using meta-gaming principles. I'll fall out of my chair if another experienced player backs you up on this.

 

And dpr, its not what your saying, but the way you are saying it and how you go about the game that I'm referencing.

 

All I have to say to that is:  http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Attack_the_Person

 

You are reaching, and it makes no sense! I know you are smarter than this! Now I think you might be the jester, and are just trying to use me to start a lynch against you.

 

 

[Vemynal]

as to the meta-gaming thing, a difference of opinion

 

to the second: dpr, your using "attack the person" just as much as i am but your doing it to three people who voted you

[Kryos]

I be innocent? Sorry, jus' had t' break th' tension.

[DPR]

:P

[Kryos]

DPR, ye know ye an' Vemy would be havin' kept banterin' on otherwise. So I had t' step in an' break th' momentum. Tho 'tis rather interestin' t' watch, now me question be, 't makes one look evil an' th' other innocent, or both evil? That`s a tough one t' decide.

[DPR]

 

Heh. *leans back in rocking chair and guffaws* Now Kryos, that is surely a case of mistaken identity. My  :P was aimed at Vemy and all of non-sense-horse-mash he had posted about me.

 

Had nothin' to do with you! I am sorry if you took offense, 'cause none was intended! Well, except to Vemy, but that varmint is up to somethin', I can feel it in my bones. Anyway, time to go and see what martha has whipped up in the kitchen! I'm hopin' for pie!

 

[Kryos]

Oh, nay offense be taken in th' least DPR. An' I must agree, Vemy seems extra suspicious t' me. Might an' be that he`s in league wi' Davey Jones hisself. I hope nay, fer me bones canna handle th' rattlin' th' thought o' Davey Jones brings t' them.