Min's first viewings in EotW?

[Dragon21]

These viewings are from Min's first conversation with Rand.

I think most of them we know what they mean, but what are some of the others? I will write the whole viewing followed by the ones I don't get yet.

 

Perrin- Wolf, Broken Crown, Trees flowering all around him.

 

  So what are the Broken crown and the trees flowering?

 

Mat- Red Eagle, eye on a balance scale, dagger with a ruby, horn, and a laughing face

 

  So what are the eye on the balance scale and the laughing face? ...I know it's been mentioned of Mat loosing an eye?

 

Rand- A Sword that isn't a sword, golden crown of laurel leaves, Beggar's staff, him pouring water on sand, bloody hand and a white hot iron, 3 women standing over a funeral bearer with him on it, black rock with blood......lightning, some striking at you and some coming out of you, then she says and we will meet again.

 

  So what is the beggar's staff? The only beggar I recall was Padan Fain in Caemlyn. Does it have to do with him?

 

 

Let me know if you have thoughts on the ones I can't figure out.

 

 

 

[Dhaos]

The Broken Crown is the crown of Saldea.  Faile is in line to inherit the throne of Saldea.  This is either a reference to his marriage into the royal line, or suggestive that he will eventually be recognized as King of Saldea.

 

The Beggar's staff- in one of the books, doesn't Rand disguise himself as a beggar?  Also, Moridin's Fisher King game piece is depicted as a beggar.  In either case, there seems to be a lot of foreshadowing that Rand won't exactly be 'King of the World' after the Last Battle...

[Kadere]

The Broken Crown refers to the Crown of Saldea of which Faile is in line for, so he's married into royalty and she may get it in the next book or in the unwritten future of the series. The trees are probably because he's the builder and will be responsible for rebuilding the world after the Last Battle.

 

Mat's eye on a balance scale has already happened, he gave it up to the Finn's in exchange for the amulet and the memories. He will also probably take out his eye because of Egwene's dream and so the Finn's don't see what he's planning. No one (that I know of) is sure what the laughing face is, probably has yet to come.

 

Rand's beggar's staff is going to happen in the next book. Now that he's missing his hand and is light sensative he's fullfilling Perrin's wolf dream and becoming more like the Fisher piece. The theory is he'll become a beggar or at least masquarade as a beggar before the Last Battle.

[aevogt]

Mat's eye didn't have anything to do with the bargain in Rhuidean. 

 

They hanged him in exchange for the medallion and the memories.  He must "give up half the light of the world to save the world"  He has yet to lose his eye and will likely do so in saving Moraine.  This fulfills the prophecy as we know that Rand will fail without Moraine.

[Majsju]

Mat did, in a sense, give up his eye as part of the bargain in Rhuidean. He just did not know about it, but he does figure it out later.

[icspots]

The flowering trees were foreshadowing him burying his family by the flowering apple trees in Emond's Field.

[Paviel]

Mat did, in a sense, give up his eye as part of the bargain in Rhuidean. He just did not know about it, but he does figure it out later.

 

True, but the wording of Egwene's vision about Mat putting his eye on a balance scale while Thom pulls Moiraine's gemstone out of a fire suggests that both will happen at the same time.

 

And Thom hasn't pulled Moiraine's gemstone (or the rest of her, for that matter) out of the fire yet.

[Majsju]

Mat did, in a sense, give up his eye as part of the bargain in Rhuidean. He just did not know about it, but he does figure it out later.

 

True, but the wording of Egwene's vision about Mat putting his eye on a balance scale while Thom pulls Moiraine's gemstone out of a fire suggests that both will happen at the same time.

 

And Thom hasn't pulled Moiraine's gemstone (or the rest of her, for that matter) out of the fire yet.

 

Actually, Egwenes dream about Mat placing his left eye on a balancing scale is from TDR, Thom pulling Moiraines stone out of the fire is from TFOH. The dream she has about Mat there is him playing dice with blood running down his face, his eyes hidden by his hat.

 

If events unfold according to all hints dropped, the reason Mat will sacrifice his eye is because of what the finns did to him in Rhuidean, creating a contact so they can see through his eye(s). What remains to be seen is if he takes it out to stop the finns from seeing what he's up to, or if they demand that he give it to them in order to let Moiraine go.

 

A detail that perhaps does not mean anything, but that I find interesting is that Min and Egwene first see him place his eye on a balancing scale, which might indicate that he at that point is leaning both ways, he may or may not decide to help. Then in TFOH Egwene sees him having sacrificed the eye, a decision has been made...Just a stray thought. 

[Luckers]

I like that idea. And the Fires of Heaven are when Mat grows up a lot.

[callandor]

maybe him pulling out his eye refers to his medallion because if i remember correctly it only has one eye showing, and he's used it for so long. what if he has to make a trade with the finns and he gives up his medallion to get back moirane?

[YoungKing]

maybe him pulling out his eye refers to his medallion because if i remember correctly it only has one eye showing, and he's used it for so long. what if he has to make a trade with the finns and he gives up his medallion to get back moirane?

 

Interesting but I don't see that happening.

 

He seems to be like a fox himself, and his medallion has one eye, kind of a foreshadow I guess.

 

I think that he will lose an eye, but not purposely, I couldn't see anyone poking out their own eye. Perhaps playing with some gunpowder, or in a fight, or something like that. Maybe someone could comment on the dream where Egwene sees him playing dice with the DO. In a way he has always been dicing with the DO, in the sense that if he didn't make the right toss or flip a coin the right way, the result could have been disastrous for the Light. Although I do think that it may have something to do with aMoL.

 

YK.

[Dragon21]

Thanks for all he input everybody. It has certainly helped me out. Some good thoughts. :)

[callandor]

or since the finns let mat see what other generals have seen and done, maybe he gives up his "eye", or the ability to see what generals do, and they weigh that ability to see if it is good enough to get moirane.

 

most likelly not gonna happen, but it is another thought.

[RobertAlexWillis]

I personally think that he will actually lose his eye physically, because of the combination of Egwene's dreams, with the actual blood running down his face ... specifically as part of the rescue of Moiraine.

 

But hey, we'll see, won't we?  ;D

[Majsju]

When Egwene dreams about Mat placing his eye on a balancing scale, she does mention that it is his own eye.

[Kadere]

She says placing his eye on a balance scale, who else's eye could it be if not his own when she says "his eye"?

 

I'm confused.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Also, the act of "placing" his eye on the scale is indicative (not proof, but indicative) that it is indeed Mat's choice.

 

One possible scenario (although certainly not the only one) is that Mat and co. will get into the Tower, and find that the Eelfinn are anticipating their every move.  Mat will figure out that its because they can see through his eye, and have to decide between getting out alive and poking out his eye.  Maybe between rescuing Moiraine and poking out his eye ... as insane as it seems, I wouldn't put it past Mat to be willing to poke out his own eye just to get to Moiraine (his internal reasoning, of course, would be that he just wants to get the Eelfinn out of his head).

[Majsju]

She says placing his eye on a balance scale, who else's eye could it be if not his own when she says "his eye"?

 

I'm confused.

 

His own eye meaning his own physical eye, not his medallion or his memories as been suggested in this thread.

[Luckers]

Also, the act of "placing" his eye on the scale is indicative (not proof, but indicative) that it is indeed Mat's choice.

 

One possible scenario (although certainly not the only one) is that Mat and co. will get into the Tower, and find that the Eelfinn are anticipating their every move.  Mat will figure out that its because they can see through his eye, and have to decide between getting out alive and poking out his eye.  Maybe between rescuing Moiraine and poking out his eye ... as insane as it seems, I wouldn't put it past Mat to be willing to poke out his own eye just to get to Moiraine (his internal reasoning, of course, would be that he just wants to get the Eelfinn out of his head).

 

My issue with this is that Mat's memories, attained through the same method, were not simply the product of one eyes. He sees through both their eyes, hears through their eyes--i believe theres even a reference to him feeling things in one of the memories.

 

It'll be a long and painful process to remove all the sensory input involved in that.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Well ... its possible that the focal point of the memory retrieval is located in a specific position ... we don't know what the actual mechanism is for that ... perhaps something is implanted behind one eye ... the eye connects directly to the brain, after all, and so some sort of ter'angreal or other device unique to the Eelfinn placed there could ...

 

-meh-

 

I'm not gonna bother ... thats pretty weak anyway.

 

So, I'm back to "we'll see".  Whatever the reason, though, it seems clear he's actually gonna take out his eye.

[Luckers]

So what you are saying is... the Eelfinn are Borg?

[CUBAREY]

How about this Mat and company enter the Tower but find themselves in a stalemate there exit is blocked by Eelfinn.  In this case the Eilfiin would require a "price" for letting them leave.

 

Alternatively Matt and company get the uper hand but Mat wants the Eelfiin out of his head. The "price" they may demand maybe part of his actual eyesight.

[RobertAlexWillis]

So what you are saying is... the Eelfinn are Borg?

 

Well ... no, but that could be cool ... and it goes well with the "Mat sealing the Bore by shooting Shayol Ghul with a huge laser on his secret moon base" theory.

[Luckers]

We are the Borg. We shall send inadequate forces against you time and again until you learn our weaknesses and ultimately defeat us. Resistance is futile.

 

A perfect attitude to attack the Dark One with.

 

How about this Mat and company enter the Tower but find themselves in a stalemate there exit is blocked by Eelfinn.  In this case the Eilfiin would require a "price" for letting them leave.

 

Alternatively Matt and company get the uper hand but Mat wants the Eelfiin out of his head. The "price" they may demand maybe part of his actual eyesight.

 

Well my issue with this is that wording of 'give up half the light of the world' suggests a more proactive effort on Mat's part than giving into their demands.

 

Also its a pretty wierd thing to demand.

 

 

 

Have you noticed how i don't have a theory? It's so easy to be a nitpicker. Yay!

[rd2000]

Mat won't be poking out his eye just to prevent the Finns from seeing what he sees. A blindfold would serve the same purpose, without the permanancy.