Moridin: Two Faced?

[DuDZiK]

The scene where Moridin is sitting in front of that game board with the 'Fisher' that is supposed to be Rand, at the end of that scene Moridin says to himself something along the lines of: "It's hard to lose when you're playing both sides."

 

Anyone care to venture a guess at what the significance of this passage is? Could it mean that Moridin is an agent of the Dark One and other being, maybe even the Creator?

[Cybertrolloc]

I took it more to mean he has input into what the Light side does as well. He's also insane and all ;)

[Leopoled Boothe]

I think it means that Moridin is manipulating both sides in order to achieve his own ends.  So basically it is just he oposite of what you suggested Moridin is nobody's agent, he's just out for himself.

 

 

[CUBAREY]

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[iAnyone care to venture a guess at what the significance of this passage is? ][/i]

 

I agree with Leopold Boothe and add that its in keeping with the theory that Ishy went over to the Darkside because of his philosophical convictions that led him to believe that the end of the wheel turning was in itself the ultimate "good" and the DO's victory only the mechanism to achieve that end.

[Leopoled Boothe]

theory that Ishy went over to the Darkside because of his philosophical convictions that led him to believe that the end of the wheel turning was in itself the ultimate "good" and the DO's victory only the mechanism to achieve that end.

 

That's a very interesting theory.  Please tell me more.

[Thunderbomb]

Defintly out for himself as he doesnt like anyone screwing with his plans either (example Sammael)

[Harmless Bandit]

Talking about the game itself, try playing checkers with yourself and see whether you'll loose. But I think Moridin was referring to the overall situation. HE believes he's in total control of everything (Rand included), so it's a bit like playing against himself.

?'Out for himself'. As in totally for HIMSELF? Or just the Dark One, and none else?

[Cari an Imsoen]

I don't think so. The playing "both sides" quote does not imply that he is actually supporting both sides, or changing his mind frequently about who he wants to win. He want the dark one to win. He just "plays both sides of the board" in the since that he is manipulating events to the degree that the light THINKS that they are the ones controlling their pieces...

[krelianzg]

As I see it, he only cares for the DO's eventual victory over the forces of Light.

 

Individual agents of the Shadow and their plots and ambitions (ie the other Forsaken) are merely more pieces on the game board to him, and if he has to momentarily help the Light, such as saving Rand at Shadar Logoth, to serve the long-term plans of the DO, he won't hesitate to do so.

 

Unlike the other Forsaken, he's not in it for personal power, his only objective is breaking the Wheel and freeing the DO.

[DuDZiK]

And what about when Moridin helped Rand in Shadar Logoth, helped him kill Sammael?

 

I mean it's one thing for a Chosen to bring about the death of another, but he helped the Dragon Reborn do it. Nae'Blis or no Nae'Blis, that sounds treasonous to me. Unless the Dark One ordered it, of course.

 

And he seems to... not contradict himself, but he seems to change his motivations. In that passage with Rand he seems adament that Rand does not die, then in Winter's Heart he doesn't seem to care one way or another. In that passage he helps Rand kill a Chosen, but later he seems to want to bring all other Chosen under his control.

 

Perhaps 'helping out the other side' just means that he does so to make sure certain things happen on behalf of the Dark One, or himself as others have said. I mean, without Sammael in the picture that's one less Chosen, isn't it?

 

At any rate I'll be interested in seeing where this goes, if anywhere.